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Is in't it DISGUSTING....


vera.chandler Mumbai plot hatched in Pakistan

IS IT NOT TOO BAD TO KNOW...!!
The Mumbai attacks that killed 165 people last November were partly planned in Pakistan, a top-level Islamabad official has admitted for the first time.
New Delhi has blamed the bloody 60-hour siege on the banned Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), and handed over information last month which Islamabad has been using to investigate the attacks.
"The incident happened in India and part of the conspiracy was hatched in Pakistan," interior ministry chief Rehman Malik said. It is the first time a senior official in Islamabad has admitted that any planning took place in Pakistan.
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It is like a movie ..... with top levels involved in terror!!
Vera.
Humbleman It’s disgusting. However you get to give the Pakistani government a credit for manning up. rudeboy
lol whats so disgusting about that :S. terroists plans are planned everywhere. even in india terroist plans are planned so does that mean indians are terroists :D vera.chandler "a top-level Islamabad official has admitted for the first time" I meant disgusting for the "top level" official. No harms meant in general!! When does world come to peace??? prittymissy781 so many things go wrong governments spending tax payers money look the other way....what has this world come to....?? gafoorgk it's not right to blame pak for the attack. planning could have done anywhere as rb said. i think it's a well planned plot and many high level officials are involved. even a prominent political figure voiced the concern about why certain high rank police officials got killed who were investigating a very big plot against minority community in which some high hindu saints and politicians are involved. later this political figure was forced to keep his mouth shut. vera.chandler very true gafoorgk rudeboy sorry but i dont think pakistani officals were behind this thing. more like indian made its own 9/11 to carry out its dirty jobs. usa 9/11 was bunch of lies so do you really think indian 9/11 would have some truth in it?? vera.chandler rudeboy
if i said i did it. does that mean i m telling the truth? or maybe i have been forced to say it. or maybe some1 paid me a large sum of money to admit something which i didnt do.
how exactly do you know that someone is telling the truth?
media controls everything. and suprisingly it only mentions a "top offical"? how about giving a name of this "top official"????
nooooooooooo

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Sarah_khal Well everybody knows that if you need to hire a crazy killer who will do anything in the name of Allah you should go to Pakistan, best talents are there and all Saudi supported madras can produce such talent in mass. I just pity good citizens of PAK desertdudeshj
Thats just plain dumb and ignorant Sarah, I being a Pakistani really don't care much for the country as its headed south anyways, but when you start flinging insults at Islam that just shows how ignorant, narrow minded and small brained you are. Your implying anybody who is a muslim and has studied in a religous school is just foaming at the mouth waiting to blowup someone. It is dumb @ss people like you who increase the divide and generate hatred. Your whole post reeks of prejudice and hatred.
Just like me saying If I want to eradicate jews I'll just go get a white blue eyed blonde German. If you can't think before you speak atleast read what you write before you post it up.
Sorry for being rude, but thats just the way you come across to me. Misery Called Life Pakistan owned up after ample evidence was flung at their faces. The entire global community including China( Pak ally) backed India on this one. This was brilliant political strategy courtesy the Indian gov. Not so long ago if people remember Pakistan was calling these terrorists freedom fighters. Now that Pakistan is at the recieving end, they go around begging for aid. Terrorism has proliferated thanks to Pakistan. And one day should there be WWIII it will be entirely due to Pakistan. Pakistan is a nuclear nation who's army has got their backs against the wall...A top nuclear scientist turned rogue ( AQ Khan) is roaming freely, nuclear proliferation by Pakistan will be catastropic for the rest of the world. No matter how much you hate the US you gotta back them on this one, and hope that China gets some sense and pressurises Pakistan as well. Peace! desertdudeshj Misery I'm not going totally agree with you but also won't totally disagree with you aswell. As for the case of the freedom fighters the Mujahideen, do you forgot who intially armed and trained them, who their allies were earlier on. During the cold war era and the soviet invasion of afghanistan. Who evntually gave them power and arms and turned them into a well trained, armed and fighting force. We all know it was US. An enemy of your enemy is your friend, with this n mind they backed and totally supported the Mujahideen. Who once served there purpose were abadoned. It was they who later turned into the taliban and now are a major source of agrivation to afghanistan itself aswell as pakistan and basically the whole of the west. They are fighting an enemy which they them selves created. Like a caged lion which has turned on its previous masters. If the US has tied up all the loose ends and just abadoned and just let them to breed, we would not see the so call war on terror taking place now. They Mujahideen fought for a noble cause and pushed back the big red giant but consisting of mostl uneducated grunts who don't speak any other launguage other than the langauge of violence after years of being trained in war and growing up in a gun culture. What were they expecting that they will all turn into nobel peace prize winners ! In turn they dumped them on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now not trying to dump the blame on others, pakistan itself did not do anything to take control or disarm these people. The North West frontier was lawless at the best of times and gave perfect breeding atmosphere for power hungry people take control of the now aimless army and use them to their own means. It were these battle hardend Mujahideen now lead by meglomaniacs which later turned into the taliban and took over Afghanistan and now are again gaining strong hold in afghanistan and also have gained a strong foothold in pakistan. It is actually quite pathetic that the Pakistani govt can't take over control over parts of its own country now taken over by the taliban. I think this whole current terror situation could have been avoided if the US and Pakistan were more inteligent in the way the handled the Mujahideen instead of ignoring them. Now as to what the solution is I really don't know? But I don't think more violence will serve any purpose. Eduation and eradication of wide spread corruption are really the steps in the right way. But I really see no hope of that happening in the near future as none of the Pakistani leaders are intrested in anything other than filling their pockets as much and as soon as possible. Someone need to step in and take control over the situation. As the local leaders have clearly demostrated for the last two decades they are not up to the task. Countries like the US and the UK can't be trusted with a task like this as its all too clear they are only intrested in their oen twisted agendas. Maybe a agency like UN but that too is held by the nuts but the same. Who....I dont know ? sigh !!! Red Chief
USA has been the biggest donor of Pakistan for last 30 years. CIA themselves has trained all those "mujaheddin" and supplied them by modern weapon including Stingers.
The kid is getting adult.... Misery Called Life I can't refute USA involvement in the creation of the Mujahideen, Osama Bin Laden, the empowerment of the ISI etc But as you said, that was the past. If you play with fire you will get burnt...USA and Pakistan has learnt this the hard way. Going forward if there is to be a solution to this, then the USA along with India and China will have to play a defining role. Politically I'm not a fan of Zardari or Sharif, but the onus is now on them. USA will have to support these administrations unfailingly...They need to regain control over their country, the powers of the army need to be clipped...consequently the ISI has to be nipped in the bud, terrorists cannot be offered a safe haven in Pakistan anymore. President Zardari can start by being honest, after unnecessary hue and cry he reinstated the chief justice, next he needs to repeal the Presidents powers ordained by the Musharraf regime and uphold the constitution. He can quash his ego and ask for UN military assistance if required, he needs to stand up to the army. He has no qualms about asking for UN assistance on the LOC though, what a hypocrite. I don't know much about Sharif but hear he's quite the double crosser and is also quite naive, Apparently when his army was at war with India during Kargil he wasn't aware of it! An on the other hand the president has a nickname Mr 10%, thanks to his fondness for bribes. So much for leaders... Education is important, but that’s a long term perspective, if the Taliban are around then there is not much time. What makes the ground realities all the more volatile is the fact that Pakistan is a nuclear nation, who as proven are not averse to nuclear proliferation. Most importantly the IMF needs to step in and draw a roadmap for the economic revival of Pakistan...as it has been well documented that most youths take to terrorism by virtue of necessity and not necessarily ideology. Misery Called Life Red Chief It's not the past MCL. It happends today when US is catching up with Soviet Union in quantity of zinc boxes. You can't push gin back to the bottle... rudeboy USA the biggest terroist on this planet. does anyone know how many USA secret agencies are working around the world? CIA and FBI are just the few we hear about all the time. what about morad? or the indian agencies in Afghanistan? we all know FBI and CIA are in pakistan. so how do we know it isnt the CIA and FBI who are carrying out these bombings across the world and the blame is put on the Islamic terroists. do not believe your govs and the media. bunch of lies. Yeh Zardari has said Pakistan militants were behind the terroist attacks. does anyone know why he is known as Mr 10% :D i wouldnt be suprised he took millions of dollars from USA just to admit that Pakistan were behind all this. ISI, Morad etc etc are agents of CIA and FBI. Individuals accross the world are puppets of American agencies. they do the dirty work and blame it on Islam. osama bin ladin & taliban are the creation of CIA and FBI to fight off the soviet monster in afghanistan. cia and fbi created these groups because soviets in afghanistan were a threat to USA national security :S u moth(#$#$#$#s u r country is thousand miles away how the effing heck is a soviet takeover in afghanistan gonna effect ur national secuirty. there is no such thing as a terroist. all the violence u see around u is because of agencies. and their goal is to create fear in our minds and to allow politicians to pass out laws which have restricted our rights.
Bora Bora ^^^Here we go again on the usual rant. Boy, we are way to familiar with your anti-Americanism and bored to say the least. rudeboy why boru i am expressing my VIEW. GOT IT? just like u have every right to live in a islamic country and write all the "wonderful" things u had to say about islam and muslims. I also have the right to write about USA and its agencies so that a few ppl around the world do open their eyes. now lets leave it there and let the ppl decide whether they do or dont want to open their eyes. whats happened in the past during world history will know that it is ok for USA to build bases around the world and to build rocket launching pads across the world. But if some other super power decides to do the same they will be attacked on as it is in conflict with USA national secuirty. read the history its all there. muyesser read the history its all there. RB
You will find those facts in other means of research, not in any written civil history.. rudeboy RB
You will find those facts in other means of research, not in any written civil history..
its all there in civil history but ofcourse we all have to search for it ;).
heres a bit info about USA forces
now tell me this. the soviets tried to do this by having its own bases and having some rockets pointing towards USA in Cuba. USA objected to it. But who will object to having bases in 150 countries?????
arre u telling me that it is necessary for USA to have bases in 150 countries just so it can preserve national security??? come on ppl open ur eyes. Red Chief Why can't I find any data about US casualties in Afganistan? :wink: muyesser This is exactly what the civil history will tell; active-duty troops, peacekeeping missions that are provided by US for the security of the world; and the rest RB , is the matter of personal interpretation.
Do you think many of us would ask the question of ‘why ‘, and want to know the actual meaning/roots of Cold War, over seas missions etc. rudeboy
cos the media only wants u to see what they want to display. rudeboy myeusser history tells us alot about USA ,Isreal and whats happening in Pakistan and the soviets. its a shame that we havent learnt a single bit from our past. just look at the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki. not that many ppl know this but over 250,000 ppl died in Japan when USA dropped the 2 bombs. yes it was a war and there would be casulties on both sides. but 250,000 ppl because of a nuclear bomb??? come on a lot of innocent civilians got killed and has any American leader or general brought to justice cos of that? NOpe. USA is loosing a war in Afghanistan & Iraq? Yes it is. will they drop the nuclear bomb? only the future will tell. Bora Bora
Well I still stand by what I said. At least it was positive. On the other hand you have to drag every country down. Do you anything nice to say about any country or nationality? If you do, let's hear it because that would be, to say the least, refreshing to hear you say something positive. Misery Called Life
I guarantee you if not for the USSR debacle in Afghanistan, the world would be bowing down to USSR right now. Everyone blames the US for the formation of the Terrorism in religions name.....But look at it this way, Due to the Afghan debacle Moscow had to fight a war unsupportable by the government that eventually led to the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire. If only the US had to follow up with the mujhadeen post that war and not ignore them today’s problem would never have arisen. Today Central Europe can breathe easy and feel liberated because of the success of US Secret Service at that time.
It the corruption of leaders in Pakistan and elsewhere that has let this situation deteriorate so much…. rudeboy
bori yelstin. this is the politics section am talking dragging every country down "politically". sheesh. did i say that UK is a rubbish place to live (even though it is :D). Did i ever say that USA ppl are terroists and should be bombed? did i ever say dutch ppl are bunch of fags? if i did plz post it.
i am degrading countries politically. nothing wrong in that dear. rudeboy
lol i dont see a much difference in bowing down to USSR and USA. today it is USA. i blame US policies for creating mini monsters. am sure USSR would have done the same. this is the dirty game they play. when they want someone to do their dirty work they get the taliban involved. why didnt USA attack USSR in afghanistan? i guess they were scared :D.
central europe countries could have solved their problems themselves they didnt need USA interferring.
yeh have to agree leaders of pakistan are in the USA pockets but then again who isnt ;) Red Chief
MCL leave your propaganda for your internal use. Don't watch Fox News and CNN before dinner. You could have digestive disorder then.
I've never supported Soviet Union in the invasion to Afganistan. US called them "Evil Empire".
Now US does much worse things killing innocent ppl. in 2 countries.
About Central/Eastern Europe their problems are only starting. US gave a few millions dollars to destabilize everything there and go away.
Baltic countries, Hungary, Ukraine are nearly bankrupts. The others beg from IMF. rudeboy
couldnt agree more. USA is the evil on earth. it can do WHATEVER it wants and no dares questions them. they can attack innocent civilians using drones and they can get away with it.
they can sell their technology and nuclear bomb to anyone. but if someone does that they are evil lol Misery Called Life
Put a sock in it RC, this ain't no propaganda!
You know it's very easy to toe the middle line and just crib and rant.
Fact is there is a serious situation unfolding in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire region is destabilizing rapidly, then there are the Kurds......and this will have repercussions for the rest of the globe. (Did I mention Africa? Lets leave that for some other time) I'd like your learned opinion on what you think should be the way forward? Should we just sit and mope over the past or try and secure our futures? While Russia is occupied with Alaska, Georgia and some anti missile shield in Poland...at least the USA is trying to diffuse the situation. Albeit every time they've interfered only to get burnt!
BTW Ukraine does have a hot Prime Minister :D muyesser Fact is there is a serious situation unfolding in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire region is destabilizing rapidly, then there are the Kurds......and this will have repercussions for the rest of the globe. (Did I mention Africa? Lets leave that for some other time) I'd like your learned opinion on what you think should be the way forward? Should we just sit and mope over the past or try and secure our futures? While Russia is occupied with Alaska, Georgia and some anti missile shield in Poland...at least the USA is trying to diffuse the situation. Albeit every time they've interfered only to get burnt! MCL-quote] Oh pleazzzzzze; may be you shouldn't write this late.. :roll: :roll: (or may be I should stop reading this early..? :roll: ) Red Chief
How ignorant you are, I can't believe! US occupied Alaska, it was a lease hold for 99 years from Russia and it was over about 50 years ago !!! Even Brits returned Hong Kong to China but US didn't... :D :D :D
Where is Poland with that freacking shield, the great geographer? Near Russia.
How far from US is Serbia located and what was the threat for US from this small country to cover Serbian cities with bombs? I don't speak about their dirty deeds in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Living in Soviet Union I thought that Russian propaganda was dullest but US one is a real brainwashing. Misery Called Life ^^^^ You've had your say....fair enough! This thread is about a potentially catastrophic situation developing in the subcontinent...and when one thinks Pakistan you have to bring USA in the picture. I'd like your thoughts on that (if u have any). This ain't propaganda and I'd certainly not mind altering my opinion if you can make a convincing argument. It's funny the minute someone says something u don't like to hear, you pull out the propaganda card! You wanna debate Russia? Fine, start another thread, I'll get ma jug o beer, u fill up on ur vodka and we can sit an debate all you want.... Red Chief I don't think that current situation in Pakistan could be stabilized without fixing situation in the neighbouring occupied Afghanistan because there are more than twice population of Pashto people in Pakistan against Afghanistan. That's why I said that USA was and is involved. Speedhump
Absolute rubbish.
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There is also a link for the same data about Iraq. Speedhump Afghanistan has been the graveyard of empires ever since Alexander the Great had trouble crossing the Khyber Pass in 326 B.C. The U.S. will continue to get burned until they pull out. There has never been any way to control this region. Political de-stabilisation and finance of subversive organisations gets a toehold, but it soon turns to ratsh*t afterwards as the U.S. have found out. Blaming madrassars in NW Pak for turning out terrorists is all fine (and true) but this region has always been lawless. Blaming Pakistan for it is equally silly. rudeboy
WHY are we discussing indian bombings and pakistan in Dubai politics? why dont i hear u ppl say troll now :D desertdudeshj troll kanelli There is definitely trolling if we are going to get more Indian and Pakistani bashing going on, like we did some weeks ago with all those ridiculous threads. If there is an interesting discussion going on, with actual discussion and not mudslinging or propaganda - then who cares... at least it still fits under politics talk. :) Speedhump
Simple, regional affairs which affect the Middle East. Not rape in NY :roll: rudeboy
india is not in the middle east. nor is katrina kaif any ways going to effect the regional affairs of the me ;)
what is this forum?? do ppl make up the rules as they go along?????:D Speedhump sorry all I hear now is blah blah blah.... rudeboy
its ok humpty dumpty i understand u had a great fall and all u hear now is blah blah blah :D Red Chief I only wonder if Pakistani government can't control big part of their own territory and some mujahedin on this territory or has a pocket Talliban to permanently suck money from US as they used to do in 1980s and from 2001 till now. Misery Called Life &_r=1 Crazy situation indeed..... Quite evidently there is no will, not from the army which is pre occupied on the Afghan border as well as the India border. This is gonna be a long drawn battle. Hope Mr Obama has what it takes. Personally I think the Bush administration erred by moving into Iraq too soon. They should've cleaned up the mess in Afghanistan throughly, and only then moved to Iraq......The mis-adventures of teh US in Iraq, allowed the taliban to regroup. Offcourse with active support from the ISI. Red Chief I don't know why they needed Afghanistan at all - no benefits from that. Why didn't they place Osama in Iraq at first? 8) 8) 8) Misery Called Life
Thankfully they did'nt place Osama somewhere in the Arabian Peninsular :lol: :lol: :lol: Speedhump Everyone knows that NW Pakistan and Afghanistan are the easiest places in the world to hide and make resistance style defence against invasion. desertdudeshj
Probally the same reason russia wanted it for ?
Although OBL would have been a much better excuse to get at Iraqi oil than WMD, Boy that takes the lamest excuse ever award. Speedhump
I think Russia wanted it as a buffer zone to secure their southwestern satellite states. That was why they wanted it before in the late C19th and early C20th, to defend their Caspian Sea territories against possible British invasion from India.
Put Bin Laden in Iraq and the tanks would have just rolled right over him :D desertdudeshj
??? Speedhump Sorry, I meant that Iraq was easy terrain to hunt down terrorists :) Red Chief
If you have some problem in economy the easiest way to divert ppl.'s attention is a small triumphant war: Afghanistan, Falkland lslands, then again Afghanistan+Iraq.
Nobody even in Russia was and is able to understand the real reason. Red Chief
As far as I understand from the article the US money is going to train Pakistani army on the Indian border. At the other hand Mumbai's terrorists were coming from "uncontroled" camps in Pakistan. 10% from 1 billion is also good money.
Everybody is happy! Misery Called Life
Precisely.....As I said earlier, the civilian government in Pakistan has to be strenghtned, only then will normalcy prevail. Can't believe a 500,000 strong army is struglling against a handful of terrorists in comparison.
RC read some of the user comments from the above article. Quite fascinating! Red Chief
1) It looks like India is the only threat for Pakistan, but Taliban was Pakistan's own creature. By the way India is a few times stronger than Pakistan in terms of military arsenal.
2) We will look how the strongest army in the World will win against those "small bunch of terrorists" (if US really wants to do it). Speedhump For the US to intervene militarily in NW Pakistan uninvited will cause a heavy backlash against them in Pakistan, who they must keep friendly. The US aerial drone attacks are already causing political problems for them. The US can't afford to alienate Pakistan, who want to sort out their own internal affairs (whether they are able or not). the US will have to just keep pumping money in, especially to keep the new government in place. India should not really be a threat to Pakistan unless the terrorist attacks in India increase (which let's face it is easy in the fact of poor Indian intelligence and internal security) and they can be pinned on terrorists trained in NW Pakistan. Let's not forget that India is by and large a very peaceful nation (internationally). It's just fact that Afghanistan is a war the US can't win. But if they withdraw at least it will give the insurgents no target other than fellow Muslims, the Afghan army and police, which should alienate them in the eyes of the people of Afghanistan (we should hope). Red Chief
It's only your point, Colonel. Pakistani army thinks why India needs as big arsenal as Great Britain has. They have own reasons and disputes. Speedhump Yes it's my opinion. I'm not leader of either country. but the people of each country don't want to go to war with each other. That much you do know. Red Chief
Despite your strong desire Tommies do exactly opposite fighting for dirty interests of another nation first time in British history. Speedhump I would rather the UK aligned with USA than with USSR, who fought their own dirty war in Afghanistan for even less reason. Red Chief
I asked you to be a realist only about Pakistan and India.
No doubts that UK and US were, are and will be the biggest enemies of Russia for good. I have never had illusions but Russian government had time to time.
Anyway Russia has never been "six" in somebody's card-play. 8) Speedhump My post was entirely realistic. If not then please point out where. Just stick to the point if you can. Red Chief
Forget. It's gone. Speedhump
You see, as usual you have no answer at all. Your posts are completely non-factual. Red Chief Amen. Misery Called Life
Post December 26th, tactical strikes of Paki Terror camps,were given the thumbs up by the general Indian population.
Along the LOC there is a continued exchange of fire, infliltration is also rampant along these borders ( from Pak into India)
Inside India occupied J&K there is a powerful sepratist organization(Hurriyat) that could be actively working with the Paki army....the atrocities comitted by the Indian army in J&K are also equally condemnable....
There is a heightened sense of conflict between the two countries.
A full scale war may be out of the question for now, but minor battles are still very much the order of the day.
Indian intelligance...thats a joke right?
Can USA win in America, I say yes....definately! It's a question of time. USA has aldready achieved more success than those Russians, who were in Afghanistan for way longer periods. Red Chief
What kind of success are you talking about if your own president tell you entirely opposite?
The data that was googled by SH (official data is a big secret) is either total lie or shows the only that GI's sit in their own camps and protect themselves.
Of cause if Russia supplied some weapon for the rebels (as USA used to do) the US casualties would be much bigger.
Thanks God Russia made the first move kicking GI out of Mannas, the airbase in Kyrgizstan.
You are there about 8 years against Russian 10. No success at all. Misery Called Life ^^^ The very fact that the Afghanistan has a democratically elected governmemnt is success for starters. Its aldready been ascertained that the next presidential elections will be held in late 2009. That would mean that for the first time Afghanistan not only had a democratically elected government, but also that it has almost successfully completed it's first term^^^ Red Chief Are you talking about democratic election in the semi-occupied country with War against invaders inside? How many MPs does Talliban have in this pocket parliament? You are really funny guy... SU also launched such kind of an election in the appropriate time. Anyway you are hijacking. Your article from the NYT was rather interesting to discuss. rudeboy
lol afghanistan has a democractic elected gov hahahah good one. is that a success :S. i thought USA were in afghanistan for al qaeda and osama. have they found him. nope.
as for the democratic gov. its not democratic. come to afghanistan and see the democracy that goes on in afghanistan. war lords and guys with the most tanks and most men control afghanistan not some puppet installed by the USA.
is USA, Nato etc and the elected gov in control of Afghanistan.Nope they are not. so how exactly can you say it is a success? its a failure. we all know why USA etc are there.
what hurts me the most is that when the russians tried to invade afghanistan, USA intervened and helped the taliban then. now the usa has invaded they are killing the same ppl who helped them in the first place.
I would luv it if the russians intervened now but the fact is when you have a big bully how can you stand up to him if you are weak and crumbled up into pieces. worldguy
Very well written mate. You sure did impress me on this one. Cheers.



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