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Iran has launched a home-made satellite into Orbit


Speedhump It's funny that you don't actually reply to the specific points I made you just rant and rave about British sailors, and the UK not having a financial crystal ball. There is nothing to reply to in your post. You also believe you have a calendar which apparently shows that Mesopotamia still exists and invented the wheel just last week hahaha. Oh I did find one thing to reply to, why are 'third rate' foreigners here being paid (by nationals) more than nationals? As I said, you are too blind to make it fun arguing with you. There is NOTHING of substance in your words. :lol:
Humbleman Speedhump, this is very good question “Why are 'third rate' foreigners here being paid (by nationals) more than nationals?” The reason is because of the gullibility and stupidity of some companies in the Gulf. They think that certain people from certain countries would perform miracles. The fact is that, the world is full of talents, India, Russia, Japan, China, Korea, North America, Iran, Egypt, Gulf, Italy etc etc people are just as capable if not even better as anyone from those developed countries. To your knowledge, British companies have always been on the search for outside skills workers because they are hard to find in Briton. Last week a major company hired skill workers from Italy, India and Spain and other countries to take a charge of the completion of the World cup venues has sparked a large demonstrations by British workers. They want the government to force British companies to pay them high salary and stop hiring people from outside. The company said, these workers are capable then the British workers to do the job and affordable. So I think those Gulf companies should do the same as the British companies. Search for the talents and pay according to them rather than the country of origin. Have look at this Chinese farmer who has very little education but yet has built 26 robots over the past 30 years. But what impressive is that he assembled all his robots using wastage materials. Humbleman Democracy is an elusive term that’s hard to pin down to one definition, because democracy has different meaning to different nations. In England for example, people do vote to elect representatives to represent them in the Parliament and elect a Prime Minister. However, the Queen Elizabeth is the ultimate power who decides on such a matter and gives the final say on such a decision, yet the British people are happy with this form of democracy, and rightly so. However, US citizens would see this form of democracy as half democracy due to the fact that the Queen is the one who has the upper hands on where the country should be heading. From my observation, I see some Arabic countries are on the right track on implementing home-flavoured democracies. For example, in Kuwait, people elect representatives to represent them in the Parliament, and have the right to Question even the Emir’s agenda and works – this was unheard of and impossible to do just few years ago. This indeed is a positive sign to great things to come. Middle Eastern people have great access than ever before to information and to what’s going on the other part of the world, this exposure to information have made the young generation to ask questions about their governments and their systems’ effectiveness and viability. This has resulted on great change throughout the Middle East, even the Saudi monarchy who used to give it damn about their peoples’ development, has now started to move their lazy bums to adjust to the unprecedented change, and to accommodate to the peoples’ yearning for positive change. So yes, I believe some of the Middle East countries are developing on a fast pace toward better future. Not to mention, the great advantages to those developing countries is that, they could look at the developed countries and see what systems that are working well, then try to internalize them and improve them in a way that suit and fit with their own needs and cultures. Humans imitate one another because they are wired to be that way, and because of this unique trait humans have always managed to be far ahead of other species. The major problem though in the Middle East, is the conflict between Palestine and Israel. This terrible conflict has been detrimental to the development of the region and the relationship between and within Middle Eastern countries and the US in particular. It has bred hatred, fierce anger toward the US and some other Western countries, and sadly bred and spread fanaticism and extremisms not only in the Middle East but also in most of the world. People in some Western countries have grew up with prejudice toward Islam due to the monopoly of the Zionists on Hollywood’s’ films production, and news outlets. To have a clear idea about what am talking about, just check out a film called “Real Bad Arabs, how Hollywood vilifies the Arab”. I’m sure it’d be hard to find in the mainstream media because it’s tells the truth. It's a great documentary about Hollywood's long history of racist stereotyping of Arabs, Muslims and I must add the Russian, starting from the 20's silent movie age till present day. Here are few trailers of it: &eurl= &eurl= &eurl= Humbleman
Well said Red Chief. Respect.
Speedhump, some Western countries didn’t and don’t share the US’s policy nor the remaining of its Puppet Toy Blair’s policy. So don’t speak on behalf of all Western countries please. 8) Red Chief SB, As soon as this treat started about some Iran's achivement your British arrogance is a little bit misplaced... UK defenetely did more bad than good for Iran's people pumping their oil for nothing during the first half of XX century and then after some threat for BP from an elected prime-minister Mr. Mohammed Mosaddeq you (probably together with CIA) arranged Iranian coup in 1953 and enthroned Shah Reza. The Islamic revolution was only answer for the unfair game UK/US had played for previous 80 years... Red Chief Dear SB, There is the only difference between you and me. I've never said that Russians solely saved the World and did everything absolutelly right, especially about invasion to Afganistan in 1979. Could you tell me the same about Brits there and in Iraq now? In common I don't hate UK and count BBC as one of the most objective media but not perfect of cause... Humbleman Despite the international sanction, Iranian scientists have successfully launched 100 % home made Satellite into Orbit, as part of future space launch ambition. Wow, what an achievement. Link: Iranian said hell to oil money if it is going to hold us as a hostage to anyone regardless. And they are relatively doing well, its kind a of blessing for them, because they’ve focused on science and technology, and the fundamental foundation of solid development to their societies, which otherwise wouldn’t be possible. Because oil money or what I called easy money tends to lure people to be reliant on others, and often lead to an easy road which doesn’t help to nurture that precious zealous and hunger for success and ambition. Despite all the blathering and brinkmanship by some Western leaders, they do certainly respect the Iranians, because they know that they can talks the talk and walks the walk. The Iranians forced those Western leaders to listen attentively, and sit and pay good attention to their demands. This is not the same case with the Arab countries, even though these Arab countries' oil is the primary drive that has been keeping the world economy working. These Arab leaders get little respect from Western leaders, this is very evident when it comes to Israel and Palestine. How many times have the Arab leaders asked for those Western leaders’ cooperation, just to be turned down, or how many times have those Arab leaders have proposed peace solutions to the UN, just to be blocked by the only countries whom fully reliant on their oil. Not to mention, some of those Western leaders have successfully managed to manipulate and made those Arab leaders believed that Iran is a major threat to them, thus, they need their protection and need to spend trillions of money to buy their weapon. However if you think about, Iran hasn’t attack no one, in fact it is the other way around, the US was the one who got Saddam Hussein into power and then supplied him with everything he needed to attack Iran and maintained 8 years war with them, in which millions from both side have lost their lives. But when the war was over, Saddam turned to the American and said, Kuwait is a province of Iraq, the American said, no son, that wasn’t what we trained you to do, as Saddam repelled, the Amarican worked tirelessly to get him out in which they eventually succeeded. It’s the same scenario with Bin Laden and the Mujahideens during their fight against the Russia, which they now causing major dilemma to the American and have no idea on how to eliminate them or at least to get them to stop their activities. Two reasons why some Western leaders especially the US are edgy about Iran’s advancement: 1: They scare for Israel as it’s their launch pad in the Middle East. 2: Worry that Iran might successfully works with those Arab oil producing countries, and therefore affect theirs interests and relationship with them. The images we have been bombarded with by the Media about Iran are: Iran is a belligerent sate, gives no right to women etc. Well, guess what, Iran is a democratic country, women are allowed to hold any government positions as they wish to, in fact large number of women are MP. Jewish people constitute only just over 200000 people but yet they have two representatives in the Parliament. :) uaekid I have respected IRAN for a long time. Being isolated for the world trade of all kind especially in the technology field they have been advancing them selves in all field despite most of the world pressure on them. not only that but they are moving in a fast based and all of this progress is being accomplished without any political issues rather that the US constants Provocation and they surly talks the talk and walks the walk Dubai Knight The Americans will never forget the hostage crisis after Ayatollah Khomeini took control and their failure to rescue them. In military terms it was one of the all time cock ups and proved that the US machine was fallible. They were humiliated in public and will never forgive Iran for it. The trade links with the old Shah were also very profitable for the US and they would love to have a 'friendly nation' (for that read 'Puppet') in place in the region. Just remember to call them Persian! :) :) :) Knight Humbleman True DK

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uaekid money and political needs changes everything. Just wait for the new US president and see his policy toward them, you never know uaekid the US response to the latest Iranian launching came fro the white house lastnit ... get this ...again they are claming this technology could be used against EU and Israel for lunching missiles and linked the hall thing somehow to the Iranian nuclear program ,again and the big 5 will meet in Berlin today to discuss the situation. In another meaning they are shitting in their pants LOOL . to it's the same excuse they used to invade Iraq, don't you think rudeboy
err no he is a american why would he change? once an american always an american. that means more wars and more devastation. if he was different he would be pulling his forces out of afghanistan and Iraq. Instead he is continuing what Fuerer Bush did. Humbleman Uaekid, brother The Gulf should form a close alliance and good relationship with Iran. It will not only benefit both sides economically but also politically as well. The US’s most profitable export is weapon, and they’ll do whatever it takes to create fraction between countries so they could markets their weapon - because if there were no demand for their weapon, thus, their economy will be shattered. So you are right, it comes down to money and self-interests, the Gulf leaders must be politically savvy to protect their region and their interests, and stop letting their emotions and fears dictate their politics. muslimbangladeshi Alhamdulillah our Iranian brothers are making our whole Ummah proud. Only if whole Ummah were one united bloc, one faith, one goal, one military, one currency! It can't happen overnight but Inshallah it shall happen. I hope so earnestly. Shukraan Humbleman akhi for this wonderful news. I would've posted this but thanks for your wonderfully well written thoughtful posts. TheChoosen
Adolf, go back to Fightclub, im waiting, P.O.S muslimbangladeshi At least learn to quote properly jahil. rudeboy
jahil hahahahha heheheh naruto
jahil loooooooooool hahahahha
michaeldubai Excellent achievement by Iran. They have to be admired for being able to stand on their own. Ego problems, poor diplomatic negotiation capabilities and threats - this is what will take the world into another world war. Dubai Knight I sort of have to question the wisdom of the Iranian government for launching a satellite that the US can take out of operation in a nanosecond. Perhaps there is some truth in the allegation that the satellite is merely a cover to develop a long range weapons arsenal? I have to then question who they would be pointing it at? Lets say MB (or someone like him) gets control of the button, the first thing they will do is attempt to launch at Israel. Without warning, without direct provocation, just because they don't like them. So then Israel lobs a few back. It all gets heated, Pakistan and India and Iraq get involved because its on their borders, nuclear weapons get used, World War 3 ensues. So who starts it? Does it matter? It would most likely be the finish of all of us and there is no point in casting blame when you are looking over a radioactive slag heap that used to be a city. The concept of total global thermonuclear war is incomprehensible to any sane and intelligent human. There are no winners. Everyone loses. So the extremes of the political spectrum need to be marginalised and the sensible moderates keep the peace. :? :? :? Knight Red Chief
Of cause it is. The first satelite in space ("melon") only generated radio signal with frequicy 1Hz. It was a signal to US only.
Iran doesn't want to be Iraq and want to avoid US invasion, no more no less... Now it's getting more and more difficalt... michaeldubai DK - this is a whole balance of power issue - for which I would blame US. Everytime someone invests in a high tech attack/defence sytem, other nations see it as a threat and aim for something better. If what you say - that the satellite is merely a cover to develop a long range weapons arsenal is true - what is the real cause of this? Well, even if it is armed, at least the Iran government alone is in control of it's nuclear faciltiies. The only country that scares me is Pakistan. Million dollar question - who really is in control of the nuclear facilities? the civilian government? the military? The militant groups? No one, even the US knows. Even though its fingers are itching to launch an attach, I must say India is exercising strong restraint against Pakistan. - very well knowing that "anything" under the sun could happen in retaliation. This is responsibility. This hotpsot is one of the most dangerous in the world as of today. rudeboy hehehe in pakistan only one general controls it. the president or the primeminister dont know anything about it. in the west nuclear bombs are activated by atleast 3 ppl who enter some codes and hit the buttons at the same time. in pak only one guy needs to hit the button :D. i guess thats why Pakistan is still there on earth :D. if it wasnt for the "islamic" nuke pakistan would have been United States of Pakistan or West India :D. Humbleman Don’t Iran has the right to arm itself as other countries whom have been investing trillions of dollars into their military, and already have nuclear weapons. I mean for crying out loud, Israel has one for a long time, so why is it legitimate for them but not to the Iranian. If Israel is scares, then why can’t it make peace with its neighbours including Iran? Believe me, there are so many countries around the world who are working to develop their own technology, just watch the space. Michaeldubai is right, the US has convinced the rest of the world that power is what make a country strong, it’s now a motto which has been adopted by almost every country. rudeboy
Every country has the right to arm itself. USA, USSR, GB & France & India all have nuclear bombs. They even have nuclear warheads which can be launched from their submarines and bombers.
USA is the big bully. it has nuclear bombs but others cant have it. if thats the case why doesnt USA disarm its nuclear warheads? it wont. till today it doesnt trust Russia :D Islam , osama and al qaeda were just excuses for USA to setup its bases around Russia. To contain the russians in the future. USA has bases in central asia including turkemenstain, tajkstan. Bases even in Afghanistan and Iraq. What does this mean? If in the future Russia shows any aggression, USA will attack it. I guess thats why russia gets bullied into doing things they dont want to do. I guess the whole world countries are like that :D.
its very simple.
"you are either with us or against us". :D so if you dont agree to USA terms and conditions be prepared to be bombed out of earth. USA has no care for british, afghanis or the Arabs. USA only thinks about USA. Red Chief
Your inf. is a little bit outdated...
Kyrgyzstan Begins Moves to Close US Airbase
It was the last one on the territory of the former Soviet Union. So don't worry about Russians. They have been doing well so far. Humbleman Russia has just paid Kyrgyzstan over two billions dollar and other loans to close down the American airbase, the deal was signed yesterday in Russia and the airbase to close at the end of this month. It’s a major blow to the US and its allies, because they’ll find it extremely hard to get supplies to their troops in Afghanistan. Russia is back. Humbleman Sorry Red Chief, I think we've posted the same post at the same time. Red Chief
It was an independent desision of an independent state.
Nobody paid for that. No, of cause not...
The Empire Strikes Back! What do you think, Jedi Knight?
8) 8) 8) rudeboy
sorry red chief but usa still has bombs pointing towards the red monster :D they still got loads of air bases including those in Turkey ;) Dubai Knight
Hahahahaha! A good analogy!
So how did the US get these bases in the first place? It certainly wasn't by forcibly invading and setting up. Most were gifted by the state governments in return for trade concessions or financial aid. You have to look at the greed of the governors of these countries as well as the political machinations of the US government.
Its the old 'Golden Rule': He who has the gold...rules!
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Knight rudeboy
lol more like the govs were forced by usa. probably bush went to them give me your sweet lil boys otherwise i ll bomb you :D Red Chief
Frankly speaking It was granted by Russians themself after 9/11. And yes, those 2 states received nearly nothing against the amount that US had been transfered to Pakistan.
It was some sort of "American help" in Preference card game... Dubai Knight When Uncle Sam comes a'knockin on the door, six guns a'swingin and the theme from The Good, The Bad and Ugly playing in the background and offers you a suitcase full of dollars to let an iddy biddy airbase be built in some forgotten corner of your impoverished country...what would you do? Faced with the alternative of being branded as a member of the Axis of Evil, cut off from being able to trade with most richer countries, having your currency blocked from being traded or even being worth anything more than toilet paper even in your own country... Take the money! :roll: :roll: :roll: Knight rudeboy
or get nuked by uncle sam :D and the british gov is USAs puppet :D puppppppppppettttttttt Red Chief I don't think that some countries have this option because WASP understands only one language. It's a language of force, not weakness... Dubai Knight
Its actually more the language of money...
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight Red Chief
Not really, because they can print the money as many as necessary any time... Oh, It's the time now...
:D :D :D Humbleman Kyrgyzstan governments is acting like a fox, they are given the US until the end of the month to up the ante or their airbase will face the closure It is the language of money combined with one country’s resources and abilities, as well as its prestige and relationship with the outside world. Money alone won’t do it, look at Zambia for instance, they’ve saturated their market with their own money, but it didn’t help them a bit. Think about it about it carefully, the last 8 years of Gorge Bush’s policy has been nothing but a drag to the US, and it has been costing the US its international credibility, and as a result, countries and people around the world started to dislikes the US and anything that’s USA. Consequently, USA cars and others goods became unpopular, the sequences of that took few years before it surface and bite the US’s economy real bad. The economy crisis that the world is facing right now has started in the US at first, and it’s because of the of Cowboy’s (Gorge) outburst and insane actions. So what ignites the world economy crisis? 1: American people are big spenders and consumers of the international goods especially the Chinese goods, but as the USA companies have had difficult time selling their products overseas as they used to, they have less money and less money means less employees. This has resulted on large number of employees to be dismissed, and thereafter, home owners defaulted on their mortgage payments. Thus, the fears have spread amongst USA banks mortgage frims, companies, and of course home owners. 2: The US banks and big companies are interdependent and intertwine with other banks and companies around the world, and especially in Europe. So the collapsed of the US’s major companies and banks have had tremendous affect on large number of international banks and companies’ shares and productivities - this has led to the status quo. At some point, the oil trade countries were very close to switching to the Euro, but the US used it’s usual charm over the Gulf countries to keep the dollar as the main currency of the oil trade– because of the fact that what’s have been keeping the dollar value strong and number one sought after currency internationally is the oil, and the US will do whatever it takes to keep it that way. Now countries around the world have learnt their lesson especially the European countries, they will certainly try to disentangle their economies’ fate from the US’s economy. Speedhump Red Chief you want to side with a completely irrational buffoon's post just because it gives you another chance to attack me? Your own country is very well aware of and plays the 'game' itself and has done so against Britain and other European powers in the central Asian region since the 19th Century. There is nothing fair in international politics, ask at the Kremlin. Russia miserably failed to take control of Mesopotamia, Persia, and of course what was thought the great prize, India from Britain, otherwise we would be reversing positions in this discussion. When did Russia not bleed it's 'satellite' countries (lovely term for annexed and dominated formerly free states) dry of resources? Oh and weren't you in Afghanistan a short while ago (for a short while before your a*ses were so heavily kicked). What was that about then? Your heart is bleeding for Iran? Do me a favour. I started to defend the UK because the moronic muslim decided to turn this thread, which was about satellites, into another irrational attack on the West. Fair game. I think you should let this thread die. Or we will talk about the 'Great Game' which was played between Russia and Britain in the C19th, using the whole of the Middle East as a board, with both sides making and breaking treaties with (equally morally bankrupt) local warlords, pashas and emirs with impunity. Stop it with the high and mighty already it doesn't suit you. My posts have been only in defense. What's your excuse? muslimbangladeshi Well said Humbleman brother. I agree with most of your points except the timid and meek 'submission' in front of nonmuslim westerners but may be that's because you are in the minority in a country occupied by terrorist anglo-westerners through force, deception, mass murder and exploitation. Coming back to Iran, I hope and pray it acts as a spur, that stimulates other Muslim countries into becoming more technologically, scientifically, morally and spiritually advanced and enlightened. TheChoosen
Then they will need "western" expats, not you! Stay in your slums :lol: :lol: Humbleman
MuslimBangladeshi, you are as hypocrite as Gorge Bush is. Here is why:
Bush said he takes his philosophy from Jesus. But we know that, Jesus has told his followers to love their enemies as they’d love themselves, don’t kill, spread peace and love, be patient, be honest, help others who are hungry and in real need etc. But what Bush has done is absolutely the opposite.
You on the other hand, have been attacking and insulting pretty much every one who disagrees with your point of view. And yet claim that you are a Muslim, my friend I know Islam very well, and I know a real Muslim isn’t allowed to attack and insult others regardless on how different they are. Islam emphasises on tolerance, respect, love, peace, look after the poor /elderly, harmony etc.
My wife and I had to stop over in Bangladesh for few days about 8 years ago. We couldn’t believe how terrible and miserable the Bangladeshis people were living, we’ve never seen a low standard of living. It really broke our hearts to see those lovely Bangladeshis people struggling so hard just to stay alive and makes end meat – until this day we still have vivid memories of what we saw, and to be honest we have zero respect for the Bangladesh’s authorities and government.
During our short stay in the capital Dhaka, my curiosity took me out to try to understand what was going on, it wasn’t too long until I understood that corruptions, bad government and exploitation by Bangladeshis’ authority were rife, and the Bangladeshis people were left to fend for themselves. This terrible desperation and poor live-standards forced some people to sell drugs, and even do prostitution – I saw it with my naked eyes.
So, if you are that smart and hate everything is bad, then why don’t you run a campaign against corruption or at least try to do something noble that could help your fellow Bangladeshis to a better lives, and stop worrying about what is going on in Dubai – because so we speak Dubai is the envious of very international cities.
Bangladeshis people do very well when they’ve given the opportunity. I know some nice Bangladeshis people who live in Australia owned variety of businesses and have been positive members of Australian’s societies.

Akhi, you should take a look at your approach and temper, and try expressing your opinion in a pragmatic and rational manner. And just remember, every human being on this earth, sees his/her culture and belief just as good as yours - so it’s not fair to attack someone’s belief or culture
Wish you all the best :) muslimbangladeshi
Western 'expats' (terrorists) went to pretty much all over the world only to loot and steal all the resources from there. muslimbangladeshi
I don't care about Bush. He was elected by USA's citizens twice, it's the public that's to blame. We can't lay blame on one person because it's convenient.

Did I insult you, bushra, uaekid, mesheditor and so on? Kindly tell me where I did so.

8 years is quite a long time ago, specially if you look at fast growing places. In fact there's no better place than Dubai. Sheikh Zayed Road itself was far different 8 years ago from today's SZR.
That doesn't mean Bangladesh's poverty has ended. It's that reason why I said maybe more Muslim countries can take inspiration from Islamic Republic of Iran, learn from UAE's government in improving economy, invite more investments from our brotherly countries, generate more jobs and revenues for the economy of both Bangladesh and the brotherly countries in question thus benefitting both the countries in question. You know when people trade willingly it normally benefits both parties so it's a win-win situation for both parties involved.

Bangladesh has 15% or so nonmuslims and many namesake Muslims therefore your observation makes sense. Now you yourself suggest we should 'respect/tolerate' them and their views however immoral decadent and disgusting they may be. What should be done with that particular minority then?

If you are that smart brother why don't you see my posts and learn what I have been calling out for. More cooperation with our brotherly countries helps both parties and it also minimizes religious friction as so often happens with nonmuslim westerners or even indians. I also suggested that UAE government along with other muslim governments should strengthen cooperation, establish one political, military and economic bloc.
Do you think that can ease the situation you are describing brother? Moreover does it also not help the nonBangladesh muslims whose situation are also very dire in certain countries? By asking me to constrain my views to a select group of individuals - only Bangladeshis- you in fact show your narrow-mindedness. Perhaps you made that comment in haste but you'd be better placed if you thought it through brother.

I know it brother. All people do well when given the opportunity if they follow basic tenets of Islam specially.


Akhi, you should tell that to all the nonmuslims in your country of residence who don't even allow you the call for Adhan. Even you were so moved by their logic you compared Adhan to a dog's barking although upon realizing your mistake you retracted it.
That's just one of milllions of cases of hypocrisy and intolerance in the West.
Remember the West has killed MILLIONS of muslims in iraq, palestine, afghanistan, sudan, libya, pakistan, syria and so on. IF the Muslim world was united, do you think it would have been possible?
I am surprised you are so silent on this issue whenever I bring it up and yet you want us to be considerate to those morons that even threaten to use nuclear bombs on Makkah and the Kaabah?

Wish you all the best akhi.
Ma'assalama. Speedhump
ah, you mean only to leave working and fair systems of law and order, transport systems, education systems, sanitation systems.......India was able to take advantage of Britain's gifts, maybe as we had taught them for 300 years. Other shorter-lived ex-colonies went back to the mud. India, having grown on its own now for 50 years or so, is now thriving and therefore suffering the enraged jealousy of its muslim neighbours.
Arabia and Persia have been in the dark ages for more than a thousand years, and will remain there so long as a brutal and mysogenistic religious/social laws are in place, stifling free thought, creativity and action. Anywhere where men are regularly pardonned or given 3 months in prison for killing their sister, or other female relative is doomed to everlasting fire. Don't tell me I don't understand it. I understand brutality and ignorance when I see it.
It is up to young Western-looking Persians to throw over their oppression and allow light back into this once lovely land. I believe it is coming, slowly. It may spill into other lands, but you, my ignorant friend, will not be eligible. muslimbangladeshi
:lol: Ignorant post chock-full of errors. None of your statements carry any iota of truth. India is thriving with the highest number of poor people in the world, the highest number of illiterates, the highest number of children suffering from malnutrition, the highest number without sanitation.
If that's how India is thriving I take 'backwater' countries like Iran and Japan which were never quite British colonies.

Another ignorant comment by a British whose economy is in a downward slide. If Arabia and Persia are in dark ages, what are you doing in Dubai? :lol: What are Persians doing capturing your sailors whom you can't rescue? What are Persians doing sending satellites to space and having a living standard 4 times higher than average Indians if they are stuck in dark ages? :lol:

Western-looking Reza Shah ruled Persia to only stifle indigenous industry, economy, sciences and culture. Today's Iran is manifold more advanced and independent thanks to their Islamic government.
Compare that with a country like UK which is facing recession with millions of unemployed citizens enjoying the last vestiges of stolen resources from countries around the world before it goes out with a whimper. Speedhump You love to remain blind to economic truths. India is the economic powerhouse or the region. What they do with their money is a different affair. I did NOT say they were attacking their poverty, that is their affair. The country is wealthy. Fact. I am in Dubai because for the last 30 years Brits and others have been taking the gold of the Middle East to try to bring it into the 20th (now 21st century). You know very well that the expertise required is beyond anyone born and educated here. Also I challenge you to name the last acknowledged scientific theory or invention that came from the Middle East. A satelite, how wonderful, I hope the rubber band lasts for more than one orbit. Iran is light years behind other countries which build satellites. I forsee it being a disaster. I won't comment on your truly ignorant comments re advancement of science and society under Islamic Governments, You are plainly beyond help. All you can do is bleat about the west and how it is crumbling. Too soon, there is only one system, that is democracy and the freedom that goes with it. A few Petrodollars are not going to see The Gulf outlive that, they must learn to live with it. uaekid speedhump , I love hearing you losers say that, it really make me feel we are doing things the right way every time you guys attack us... keep it going... and the petrodollars are the reason you and your countries are surviving, in case you don't know, you are borrowing money from us now a days , we bought eve thing your countries worth.. so even when you 'll work back home, it is still the Petrodollars that's will pay for your survival. Live with it like your country does and get off your high heels like your gov did when hey came here asking for loans. Speedhump
I won't waste many words on this, as it's you personally I object to, not your country or even most of your countrymen. I am not racist like you.
UAE is one of the more progressive ME countries, it looks firmly to the West (I bet you hate that....) and to be honest it dilutes it's Muslim ideals to a large extent, as it needs to. AD has its oil (for now, never forget), and two enlightened Sheikhs have made Dubai Emirate wealthy by attracting foreign talent and money (yes, you will again need it after these troubles are over). Hardline Islam leads only to poverty, both in money and thought. Better is the toned down version peddled in the GCC countries, although better is still not ideal.
The world would in fact be better off without organised religion of any sort; less wars, less deaths, less persecution. We have outgrown it.
That's my last word as it says it all. Humbleman Sppedhupm. Why when a country tries to advance itself by imitating, outdo and improve an existing ideas or systems is seen as “firmly to Westerner”. If that’s the case then all nations in the world who are using farms, live- stock, steel are also firmly Middle Eastern. Why, because at the beginning of human civilisation the people in the Middle East were the first one: 1: who understood and came up with the idea of farming and how to use certain crops to maintain their survival, when their fellow species were chasing wild animal just to survive. These human-saving ideas were exported and imitated by people in West, Asian, and Africa etc. I bet you didn’t know that because these facts weren’t in your texts book history at school. 2: People in the Middle East were the first one to use and domesticate the five important animals in human's survival to date, they are: cow, sheep, bull (to plough the ground to maximize the crops’ richness ), camel, and horse to improve their way of living and help them do other things that otherwise wouldn’t be possible. Did you know that there were no cow in the US or the West at all, because their existence were confined to the Middle East region, but they later shipped to the US and countries around the world. Without these animals, humans’ development wouldn’t be possible, because they are our major source of Iron and other important vitamins that give us the energy to do such task. 3: People in the Middle East were the first one to use fire to melt stone to blaster and build houses, without this idea we probably wouldn’t have skyscrapers. Not to mention, oil, without it we would have been living a premitive existance. And we could go on and on about medicine, science, math etc. The Middle East people have somewhere a long the way lost their ancestor’s hunger and quest for innovation and advancement. I have to agree with you on the idea that religion in the Middle East has became a hindrance rather than an inspirational. This is the problem in the Middle East. If the Middle East countries want to advance themselves, then they ought to look at religion as an identity and try to focus on what will benefit their generation and future generation first, and the world second. The benefit that people in the West have been enjoying is, religions take a second place in societies and governments, and this has benefited people to search for an answer outside the box, and the mainstream knowledge. I am very sad thought to see this great approach to life has been shifting and changing in some Western countries. Just to give you few examples of the top of my head, women’s’ right to abortion is linked to religion now, some life-saving researches are not allowed because of religious views, people think you ought be a moral person if you regularly attend a Church etc, but if you were an atheist then you shouldn’t be trusted and your morality will be questioned. :) uaekid bcz Speedhupm is like most of the westerns ,a Parrot, they only repeat what they hear but no intelligent what so ever to add anything on their own humbleman, that why he ended his post with "That's my last word as it says it all" not in my defence but I don't hate westrens speedhupm, not a bit, I only hate the human been who can not be true to them selves and always look at others form high above and it just happen that they are the westrens in this forum. face it bro, your days are over, nothing in this world stays the same. Speedhump
I was finished with the stupidity of the the other contributors to this thread, but your post is at least factual, I thank you for that.
I was of course aware of the development of agriculture, UK history books are generally fair and balanced. Irrigation was in use in China before the Levant. Also it was a Greek who developed the screw principle of raising water and allowing agriculture to spread quickly beyond its heavily labour intensive beginnings. Archimedes has been described at the greast mathematician who even lived, of course that is subjective.
Iron and protein is freely available in a vegetarian diet, meat IS a luxury which is only now becoming more economically available to the general population of some large countries and in fact this is placing a huge strain on the world's agriculture as growing animal feed is more land intensive than growing crops for consumption. I'm surprised you are such a champion of meat eating. That's probably not so relevant to our main discussion though.
The East is westward looking, I am sorry, just as the West learned from the East viable numbers systems, algebra, the wheel, etc, etc. But this was so long ago and the tables turned. The UAE has based its economy on the Western economic model, and is still using Western methods to try to control it. All the (physical) comforts of your modern life have come from the process of industrialisation that took place in the West in the very very recent past, not thousands of years ago.
Copying Western economic and manufacturing processes is not westward looking? The process is still taking place, you should not view it as 'oh we looked and we copied but now it's ours'.
The pity is that you are not able to copy the social model (from which these benefits grow) . As you said, religion is one hindrance. Freedom of thought grew in the West from freedom of religion, without going into a LONG history lesson England's break from the Catholic church in the C15th. and the change to printing bibles in English (via another invention without which the modern world could never have existed, the printing press, a Wesern invention) gave English people the means to question their clergy and form their own ideas on not only religion, but the way their existence fits into society. the English have always been dissenters, not sheep, and together with the Lutheran idealists of Germany and the Low Countries (very similarin thinking), they helped to forge the modern world in a few hundred years.
We agree that the way forward for the ME is to draw the teeth of religion. the question is how to make the powerful give up their power, especially when it is so deeply engrained in the legal system? Also how could you possibly cope with the truly awful sectarian violence that springs up whenever a govrenmental system is deposed in this region? If they can't unite against the US, how are they going to be able to govern themselves, unless it is going to be a despotic rule? I am sorry to say it but I don't see this region ever being able to unite. I also believe that the idea of 'an Arab nation' is pie in the sky for the same reason.
I understand your point about religious power growing in the West, I'm not so sure that the problem is as strong as you suggest. The US does have a large religious community but I see the country as a whole as a slave to progress. If there were a religious backlash there it could have world shattering consequences, but these things have been talked about for decades, so we should hope that it's a non-starter. rudeboy
A PARRROT lol hahahahah heheheh muslimbangladeshi
With the largest population of poor (no offense - just facts), of hungry, of malnourished, of those without sanitation education, electricity, sewage or even government services, yes, India is indeed wealthy since Western media likes to think so.
Exactly which region is India a powerhouse of? With 1/6 of the world's population, even if it were just an average country in all indicators (hypothetically speaking), it should have 1/6 of world's resources, outputs and so on. India is FAAAAR from that.
This is not to malign India, but to shed some misconceptions propagated by anglo westtern media

You talk as if there is just one calendar in use. :lol: Morons from the West abound in Dubai, and other nouveau riche countries - no doubt about that.
If you Westerners were so capable of advancements, why didn't you stay back and advance the UK itself? Let's face facts: most westerners in Dubai , Arab countries or taiwan, korea, singapore and similar countries are the third grade rejects within their own socieities in their own chosen fields. :lol:

Did the British also foresee british sailors being captured while britain looked helplessly on? Did the UK also foresee that the whole Western world was going to face a financial crunch? :lol:

Exactly the description you fit.
If you know nothing about Iran it's best to keep quiet.

:lol: Propaganda without any meaning behind it nor any substance shouldn't move sane persons.
Freedom in itself is an absolutely disgusting and idiotic and barbaric concept. And thankfully nobody in civilized world bleats about that, whole world barring a few nimrod declining decadent drunkard deceptive westerners see how just, fair and honest systems are the way to go. Speedhump Humbleman, you are right and wrong in part.
Foreign construction workers are being employed because they are cheap, not more skillful, and often illegal (so cheaper still), and they are coming because the UK is still an incredibly attractive proposition to them (and to the hundreds of thousands of other jobless immigrants that come every year).
I'll quote from
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Until last year Romanians made up the largest foreign worker group, representing seven per cent of the workforce on the Olympic site.
India is the second largest overseas contributor, with 90 workers on the site, whilst Poland, Lithuania and Nepal each currently contribute two per cent – or around 70 employees – of the workforce.
But it emerged yesterday that a number of Romanian construction workers had been 'quietly sacked' in the past two months during a clampdown on illegal foreign labour.
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You will note that pay in Romania, India, Poland etc is much lower than in UK. the UK is not advertising in Poland, etc. for labour.
Also:
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Shadow Immigration Minister, Damian Green said: 'It seems extraordinary that when British construction workers can't find jobs we are making efforts to bring foreign workers from halfway around the world.
'This is another sign that Gordon Brown's British jobs for British workers was a meaningless sound-bite.' Yesterday the ODA said that many of their foreign workers may have lived in the local area for a number of years although they do not hold a British passport.
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Illegal immigrants, cheap labour. Shades of Dubai....
I suggest you show me the quote saying that foreign labour is actually MORE capable than British labour of doing the job. I'd really like to see that, Humbleman?
In the UAE, we should say 'caucasians' are more sought after, broadly meaning white skinned people. Indian, Pakistani, etc. applicants may have better qualifications and even work harder and cheaper, but they don't get the job. Maybe they show too much deference, maybe even show subservience to their potential employer. This is a characteristic which Westeners don't possess in abundance, they may (should) show politeness but not deference. A European may show more confidence, make a better presentation because of it, convince an employer that they are aggressive and can get the job done, can think outside the box. I'm afraid this attitude is what is called by some 'western arrogance'. Please accept that at least some of the above is true.
I am prepared to admit some influence also of possible prejudice on the part of employers but that can't explain the extremely high rate of occurrence. I also think that influential Arabs do still have a love affair with the west. They buy huge numbers of luxury Rolls Royce cars, and send their children to English boarding schools. They go to the UK just to shop (although Harrods' toy store and others have now come to them...).
We're not disagreeing that there are skilled people the world over, but interestingly, it seems that skill is not everything.
By the way, the Chinese story was fun, but I consider to be called a robot a device needs to show some capability make actions by itself. He is operating that device constantly with a remote, controlling its every action, just like a toy aeroplane, which is not really a robot. But if he makes money out of it then I take my hat off to him! Red Chief I don't have any clue (I don't know them) but It looks like Brits make big contribution in Dubai's rapid development, otherwise I can't exlain to myself this great leap forward from rags to rich that wasn't so rapid in the other very similar states... I don't think it's only due to personal skill of Brits but their system of management, control, corporative culture etc... that has been worked very effectevely so far. IMO That's why on the initial stage it was more effective to trasfer everything: lock, stock and barrel... A localization of some parts of the car is rather long process and not very effective sometimes... Humbleman Speedhump, brother. I accept some of what you said about the Gulf to be the case. However, the world cup event is extremely important to the British government and of course to the British people, therefore I wouldn’t think for a second that they’d hire second class labourers to the job. I am not saying that the British workers are less capable, absolutely not, they are just as good, hard-working and innovative as any world class labourers. In fact I’ve been working with some of them over the years, and I must admit, I find most of them to have hilarious sense of humor, which I don’t know why the American find it hard to understand sometimes hehehehe. I just believe that workers should be judged and pay according to their merit and potential regardless of their race, colour, gender, religion etc. We all cousins, we all share a same DNA, thanks to the great scientists who have been working tirelessly to bring out the truth about us and the universe. So the era of ignorant and discrimination shouldn’t exist in the 21st, we supposed to be more enlighten and progressive than our previous generations. I am optimistic about the future of the world, because I’ve traveled to some countries and what I found is something amazing. I found that the people from generation Y are more open-minded and more comfortable to mingle and accept others regardless of their background. Unlike generation X or Baby Boomer, in which I found them to be bit more reserve and somehow still attach to the past, and the past before Baby Boomer were full of resentments, wars, racism and all of that. I’m not saying that generation X or Baby Boomer are racist in any form, but the probability that past events would/can influence/cloud someone’s judgment and views is more likely than unlikely – humans tend to influence by their surrounding. In regard to the Chinese guy: He designed real robots, even carriages that can carry people and goods to a reasonable distance. His wife had it with him and was about to leaves him hehehe, because all what has been doing is setting in his garage collecting the neighbors’ unwanted materials, but now she loves him because he has became famous and sought after by major companies and TV outlets. SO yes, I bet he makes good money. Goodday :) Speedhump
Red Chief, noting your choice of words, did you read the book 'From Rags to Riches: A Story of Abu Dhabi'?. If you are interested in the way the UAE grew so quickly it is fascinating, and also written by a UAE national. It gives sometimes unflattering portraits of the way the UK treated with the UAE, but it does give hints at the closeness of the relationship. I know an old English guy still living here who in the 1960's was employed to lay the phone cables between the royal palaces, the first phone lines, and before even hardtop roads (the cars used to drive on sand everywhere, even only 40 or so years ago).
Also, from :
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Yet only fifty years ago, when oil-exploration started, there was no electricity, no plumbing or telephone system, not a single public hospital nor modern school, no bridges, no deep-water harbor, no metalloid roads,
no more than a handful of cars and scarcely a building more impressive than the crumbling mud-brick forts and watchtowers of Abu Dhabi and Dubai, where now high-rise stacks, gilded domes and minarets tower over wide boulevards, where cascades of water are flaunted with conspicuous opulence, and where acres of shrubs burgeon on the desert shore, stood sleepy settlements of reed, coral and mud-brick houses, sweltering on sand spits and islands in the most ferocious summer heat.
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The story of the UAE is a fascinating one.
I think it is to Britain's shame that we paid no real attention to the UAE and did not try to improve it as we did so many other colonies. It was only of passing strategic maritime importance and so Britain left it much to its own devices. If oil had not been discovered in AD then the UAE would still today have been like Yemen. But that's how the world goes, ask Yemen! Speedhump
Red Chief,
Let's close this down quickly and move on (so as not to upset RobbyG again).
The UK stood alone against Germany on the western front for a long time. But did not surrender. This alone meant that Herr Hitler could not devote all his resources to crushing Russia (I know the horrific number of deaths on the Russian Front, no need even to remind me, it was bloody and barbaric, I know my history). I have never said that Britain alone 'saved the world'. Your calls of arrogance are misplaced, I am only stating factual history.
I will not defend the occupation of Iraq, nor the British Prime Minister at the time willingly accepting lies by the US in justification of an assault. But as I'm sure we both agree, politicians do not speak for us except when it suits them. The jusification that 'a tyrant has been toppled' is (although true) only lip service to morality, the true reasons for the US led invasion were far dirtier. The West, in fact the world as a whole, is perfectly happy to allow tyrants to stay in place when it suits them.
I appreciate the comments about the BBC, I also agree it is impartial and is not used as a political mouthpiece. I am shocked to read that the BBC are cutting back on their World Service broadcasts, even to Russia. I think that Government funding of the BBC is dwindling, a sure sign of a country which is losing its values daily, if it allows such a world respected institution to fail. The country is still swamped by massive yearly immigration, placing huge strains on finances due to extra demand for housing, and the benefits of free medical and other systems. My country is a victim of its own soft heartedness. Red Chief Dear SB, You misunderstood me a little bit. I'm not admired Abu Dhabi at all, especially their investment oversees insted of developing own country. I'm talking about Dubai as an unique example. I also desagree about the comparison with Yemen. Everybody needs New Singapore in the ME but the are much more competitors aroung... Speedhump I understand. AD is just one Emirate amongst others, and the historical differences/rivalries between the Emirates will always have some power. If AD doesn't see its income as for being spent on the UAE as a whole rhen you can understand why. I don't know how much of the Russian economic budget is spent on the infrastructure of Kamchatka, for example (I mean that honestly, I don't know, but I am assuming it attacts little development funding). the same is true everywhere, also in UK. Did I understand your point? Dubai as you say is different in some respects, but their beginnings were also in oil (now not so important to them), and without that money there would have been no money, no interest and no quick development. I still say that without this oil capital to start the process, Dubai might have still look like Hodeidah now (and nothing wrong with that, of course). I agree, I think Dubai is currently unique, and is the new gateway to the East for the West, and also the other way around, a centre of trade and finance, but AD is also now vying for this position, and I think you have to understand that there is competition between them, despite their also being inside a union of Emirates. By the way, do you do any work or sit on DubaiForums all day ! (joke) Red Chief As far as I know Dubai initially rised from gold smuggling from India. That's why there are so many Gold markets. I don't know what they would do with out oil... I'm on vacation now. So I can waste a lot of time... Why are you asking? 8) 8) 8) Speedhump Good point, this region was known as the Buccaneer Coast (i.e. pirate coast) in the old times by Britain. Dubai was poor, Sharjah was richer. Both traded with India, but Dubai was always poor until the oil flowed. I was only curious about your status, enjoy your holiday! I'm supposed to be working but I am cutting back a little for a few months as my business is a credit based business and I want to see how my customers can pay their bills over the nex few months. I just take secure business at the moment, enough to pay my bills, and forget the riskier stuff for now! Red Chief Agreed. It isn't good time for earning money. To be frank I am waiting for a moment for good investment, like buying some property on Marina at bargain price. :D :D :D Speedhump Well, those low prices are coming, but I still don't know why people buy property here. I can't convince myself that the crazy price increases will start again once the current economic downturn is over. I guess you're a gambler! :wink: My view is that 'if' prices will only increase in future at modest rate, like most of the world, then I'd rather have property where build quality is better, ownership laws are much longer established, and also you can actually own the land, not just the structure on it. I think Romania is a good bet, from what I hear? Humbleman
When you have a visionary and ambitious leader, inevitably will get good results. I put down the success of Dubai to Sheikh Mohammed the ruler of Dubai’s personality and his hard work and determination to sees his city as number one city in the world, and currently it is. Expats are there to make money and go home, so they wouldn’t care as much about the city’s future as a local or Sheikh Mohammed himself.
Look how many expats in Saudi Arabia, not to mention large number of them are British, but yet Saudi cities are far behind Dubai and hardly unknown on the international stage – why, because they don’t have that exceptional leader to delivers a real change and positive development. Speedhump
I put it down to Sheikh Zayed myself. Sheikh Mohammed has taken up the torch, but the visions were in place and the reality taking shape before him. If anything, under Sheikh Mohammed, Dubai has been like a diver coming to the surface too fast, it's dangerous without enough control. You can't just take the brakes off and let everyone do as they please, there may finally be a bill to pay. The way companies have been allowed to build almost unrestrictedly, and with minimal building standards, is interesting. Time and again I read comments from site managers and supervisors who marvel at how low the build quality is. It's just a rush to finish everything and that can never be good.
Still, it's great to be here and watch the city rising like a rocket, and the Municipality have done a wonderful job with road building. It's incredible what they have achieved so quickly to relieve the situation that existed 3-4 years ago.
Hopefully I'll be here for many years yet (until I no longer work and I'm kicked out), so I hope to see more wonders!



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