Tom Jones
Shaikh Mohammed answered the questions posted to him recently online. In his answer to the latest negative reports by the British media, he said the following:
[color=blue]They may write whatever they like, and play the tunes that please them. We are not annoyed by criticism, nor do we fear campaigns. They have their models, experience, values, standards, their cultural and intellectual frames of references. We have our models, values, standards and frames of references. We are open to the entire human experience in every field. We learn from them, but we will never import ready-made models. We do not accept that, and our society does not accept this. As for the allegations about foreign labor, it is an old theme, repeated every now and then. Yes, certain sectors of foreign labor are not in the state we like or hope. But we are steadily improving that state, and we are making progress every year. For years, the talk about foreign labor has not ceased. Such talk is open to all and to the countries that provide such labor. Despite that, millions are trying to come to work in our country. So, why do those foreign countries don’t stop their citizens from coming to work in the UAE if the work situation is such as these nasty reports claim?[/color]
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Speedhump
- Tom Jones wrote:
Shaikh Mohammed answered the questions posted to him recently online. In his answer to the latest negative reports by the British media, he said the following:
[color=blue]They may write whatever they like, and play the tunes that please them. We are not annoyed by criticism, nor do we fear campaigns. They have their models, experience, values, standards, their cultural and intellectual frames of references. We have our models, values, standards and frames of references. We are open to the entire human experience in every field. We learn from them, but we will never import ready-made models. We do not accept that, and our society does not accept this. As for the allegations about foreign labor, it is an old theme, repeated every now and then. Yes, certain sectors of foreign labor are not in the state we like or hope. But we are steadily improving that state, and we are making progress every year. For years, the talk about foreign labor has not ceased. Such talk is open to all and to the countries that provide such labor. Despite that, millions are trying to come to work in our country. So, why do those foreign countries don’t stop their citizens from coming to work in the UAE if the work situation is such as these nasty reports claim?[/color]
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You have to say that the governments of the Subcontinent don't give a flying f*ck about their labourers working overseas, not like the Philippines who actively campaign in all countries where their people work in large numbers.
Speedhump
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Anosh
Great.
olivertwisted
I dont think the point has been addressed as poeple from the subcontinent come here because the promises made to them by the agents are entirely different from what they are put through here. Fine the consulates havent stepped in and the agents are to blame more than the companies here. But the fact remains that these poor people work here for years in poor conditions with inappropriate renumeration. Who is in charge while they are here..... also is it as simple as you are here to work , we pay you once your done please piss off...
There are many like my self who were born here and have spent our whole life here growing, working contributing to the modern day dubai society. Is it as simple for us where we work until 65 and then are thrown out.... Its like the matrix I suppose. Recent articles and arguments are good in that it provides a reality check for people like myself who are plugged in and feeding this parasitic system. I need to ask myself ASAP am I going to take the RED pill !!
Tom Jones
- olivertwisted wrote:
I dont think the point has been addressed as poeple from the subcontinent come here because the promises made to them by the agents are entirely different from what they are put through here. Fine the consulates havent stepped in and the agents are to blame more than the companies here. But the fact remains that these poor people work here for years in poor conditions with inappropriate renumeration. Who is in charge while they are here..... also is it as simple as you are here to work , we pay you once your done please piss off...
There are many like my self who were born here and have spent our whole life here growing, working contributing to the modern day dubai society. Is it as simple for us where we work until 65 and then are thrown out.... Its like the matrix I suppose. Recent articles and arguments are good in that it provides a reality check for people like myself who are plugged in and feeding this parasitic system. I need to ask myself ASAP am I going to take the RED pill !!
I’ve met several people like you here in Dubai, born and raised in the UAE but they are unfortunately treated like the foreigners. It is a sad state of affairs.
One of them used to work for our organization but he finally found a chance to immigrate to America, and he did. He was a smart energetic young man from Pakistan. He was well educated and fluent in both English and Arabic -- he spoke just like an Emarati. Now this fellow will settle in America and may never come back to the UAE except to visit his parents who I think are still here.
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.
8) 8)
desertdudeshj
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
Amen to that. Lets hope someone somewhere realises that and makes some changes.
I love this country and is home, excatly the same situation as twisted, but they won't let me make it my permanent home, and no matter how much I would hate to leave this place eventually I might be have to :(
Infact even if they don't offer nationality somekind of a permanet residency like Canada or the US green card system would be a step in the right direction. I wouldn't even care if there was no suppourt from the govt like medical or other benifits given out to the Emaratis. Just as long as every three years I don't have to go through hassle of renewing my visa wondering wheter this is the time they finally reject it :(
Or at the very least introduce 10 yr visa's for a start for people like us .
michaeldubai
Answer is simple: People coming to work here is a two way thing - we provide a service for which we get paid. In simple words we get the money, you get the place built up. So we have millions of labourers who have honoured their end of the contract - toiling day and night. But someone (the employer - the bigshots) have not kept their end of the promise, no or low salaries and providing inhuman living conditions.
Chocoholic
Well here you go, another classic example:
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Chocoholic
Yes what about those people who have lived here all their lives. I have friends who were born here, their families have been here for yhears on end, they know no different, so to suddenly throw them out would be very very cruel.
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canuckbid
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
See my blog here: /
Suggestions? Mike
Chocoholic
erm a tad hypercritical don't ya think? Do these people respect the local laws and cultures of the countries they move to? Not always.
Anyway that's sort of a digression away from the topic at hand.
michaeldubai
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
so what you're implying is the local culture demands workign for free and not getting paid - you saying that by expecting a salary for the work we do is not respecting local laws and culture? Crimes like theft, murder etc. are a different story and no one is talking about that.
But whichever part of the world we are - you have a basic human right of going about your own life with least interference from others. If the locals here are trying a make a statement that they will make an effort to make life hell for the expats and they are not welcome here, fine so be it. sooner or later, people will. Several countries are waking up and tightening rules on sending people to the middle east. I really would like to see what happens if all labourers walk out one fine day.
sage & onion
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
See my blog here: /
Suggestions? Mike
Your statement really doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of this thread.
naruto
- michaeldubai wrote:
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
so what you're implying is the local culture demands workign for free and not getting paid - you saying that by expecting a salary for the work we do is not respecting local laws and culture? Crimes like theft, murder etc. are a different story and no one is talking about that.
But whichever part of the world we are - you have a basic human right of going about your own life with least interference from others. If the locals here are trying a make a statement that they will make an effort to make life hell for the expats and they are not welcome here, fine so be it. sooner or later, people will. Several countries are waking up and tightening rules on sending people to the middle east. I really would like to see what happens if all labourers walk out one fine day.
michaeldubai do u get paid for the work u do here in dubai ?
Speedhump
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
Anosh
- Speedhump wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
Well said. Keep it up
Red Chief
The situation described by Tom Jones is very typical here. "Returning" to India or Pakistan for these ppl. is the same as a ticket to the Moon. So the only option is emigration to CAN, AUS or NZ. Definitely they are well-educated relatively young (25-32 years old) guys....
mckenzie
- sage & onion wrote:
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
See my blog here: /
Suggestions? Mike
Your statement really doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of this thread.
I agree when in Rome, do as the Romans do
michaeldubai
- naruto wrote:
michaeldubai do u get paid for the work u do here in dubai ?
No - I work for free.
Tom Jones
- Speedhump wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
No I didn’t say that they should give citizenship to everyone who worked in the UAE for a long time.
I fully understand the UAE’s concern about preserving their national identity, culture, heritage, language, religion…etc. They surely have every right to do so.
However, a guy like the one I mentioned who is a Moslem, born and raised here, lived all his life in this country, well educated and, in actual fact, is an Emarati in every respect except for not having the right documents… is indeed fully qualified to be become an Emarati citizen.
I have met Emaratis whose families originally came from Iran and India. They seem to be fully assimilated in the Emarati society, culturally and otherwise. Remember, once people have the legitimacy to live here permanently and call this place their home, they will have the desire to assimilate, and if they don’t, their offspring will most certainly do.
8) 8)
Bora Bora
- Tom Jones wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
No I didn’t say that they should give citizenship to everyone who worked in the UAE for a long time.
I fully understand the UAE’s concern about preserving their national identity, culture, heritage, language, religion…etc. They surely have every right to do so.
However, a guy like the one I mentioned who is a Moslem, born and raised here, lived all his life in this country, well educated and, in actual fact, is an Emarati in every respect except for not having the right documents… is indeed fully qualified to be become an Emarati citizen.
I have met Emaratis whose families originally came from Iran and India. They seem to be fully assimilated in the Emarati society, culturally and otherwise. Remember, once people have the legitimacy to live here permanently and call this place their home, they will have the desire to assimilate, and if they don’t, their offspring will most certainly do.
8) 8)
The Emirati population growth can be attributed to a fairly large amount of mixed marriages. The majority 99% are men marrying expats and 1% women marrying expats who coverted to Islam.
So, just as an example, which does happen, an Emirati marries a fillipino girl. She is given the passport. They have children Emirati/philipino. They get passports. So all this up in arms about locals perserving their Arab ancestry is for what? When you look at the children as a result of a union between Emirati and filipino you will see two different countries in their faces and they will be considered Emiratis. So when defending locals and lifestyle and culture, do you include the expats married to Emiratis who became entitled to the passport by virtue of marring an Emirati?
Misery Called Life
- Bora Bora wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
No I didn’t say that they should give citizenship to everyone who worked in the UAE for a long time.
I fully understand the UAE’s concern about preserving their national identity, culture, heritage, language, religion…etc. They surely have every right to do so.
However, a guy like the one I mentioned who is a Moslem, born and raised here, lived all his life in this country, well educated and, in actual fact, is an Emarati in every respect except for not having the right documents… is indeed fully qualified to be become an Emarati citizen.
I have met Emaratis whose families originally came from Iran and India. They seem to be fully assimilated in the Emarati society, culturally and otherwise. Remember, once people have the legitimacy to live here permanently and call this place their home, they will have the desire to assimilate, and if they don’t, their offspring will most certainly do.
8) 8)
The Emirati population growth can be attributed to a fairly large amount of mixed marriages. The majority 99% are men marrying expats and 1% women marrying expats who coverted to Islam.
So, just as an example, which does happen, an Emirati marries a fillipino girl. She is given the passport. They have children Emirati/philipino. They get passports. So all this up in arms about locals perserving their Arab ancestry is for what? When you look at the children as a result of a union between Emirati and filipino you will see two different countries in their faces and they will be considered Emiratis. So when defending locals and lifestyle and culture, do you include the expats married to Emiratis who became entitled to the passport by virtue of marring an Emirati?
Offcourse it should include anyone holding a passport.....It's a valid question...I guess only the offspring of such marriages could best answer it.
You stated that Emirati women get married to non Emirati men. Lets say the woman gets married to a male Filipino....I'm curious would the Emirati community accept him?
Speedhump
Just about every culture slowly assimilates people of other races as the world has shrunk incredibly in the last fifty years and jet travel has become the norm. So it's not strange that the Emirates will give passports and therefore nationality to a marriage partner, their citizens will demand it. I guess it's the rate at which this happens (or is allowed to happen) that affects local identity. For a small and outward looking country like the UAE its effects will become obvious more quickly though.
newdubai
THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY WILL EARN MORE WITH LESS WORK IN DUBAI NOW THEY THINK THAT ITS NOT A PLACE TO EARN MORE AND THEY HAVE TO WORK HARD TO LIVE HERE
Speedhump
- newdubai wrote:
THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY WILL EARN MORE WITH LESS WORK IN DUBAI NOW THEY THINK THAT ITS NOT A PLACE TO EARN MORE AND THEY HAVE TO WORK HARD TO LIVE HERE
Sorry I don't agree even one percent with that. Everyone I know has always worked hard for their money here, and long hours. But the rewards have been there in the past, and now for a lot of people they aren't any more.
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
Just about every culture slowly assimilates people of other races as the world has shrunk incredibly in the last fifty years and jet travel has become the norm.
Speedy, expain me please what you mean speacking about local culture and identity.
Dubai has been a trading centre for century and the core of the trade was Persian merchants before establishing UAE. So big part of current citizens has Persian roots.
Tell me also why 90% expats is not a threat for the identity but a few thousand well-educated Dubai-born guys is.
Speedhump
- Red Chief wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
Just about every culture slowly assimilates people of other races as the world has shrunk incredibly in the last fifty years and jet travel has become the norm.
Speedy, expain me please what you mean speacking about local culture and identity.
Dubai has been a trading centre for century and the core of the trade was Persian merchants before establishing UAE. So big part of current citizens has Persian roots.
Tell me also why 90% expats is not a threat for the identity but a few thousand well-educated Dubai-born guys is.
Every culture is affected by other cultures, we all know that, but are you saying there is no real Emirati identity or culture? I think Emiratis would be interested to hear that. Please explain.
If you're telling Emiratis they are Persians and not Arabs I'd love to hear their reply.
Red Chief
I asked your point. As soon as you use some words like Emirati identity and threat of the identity I guess you can explain their meanings.
muyesser
The Gulf States have come a long way; FAST.. It's now time to think about where they're going.. :?: :arrow:
Speedhump
You understand their meanings. If you don't then please use wikipedia or something similar. I'm not a teacher I just want to have some sensible debate, not educate.
Please show me where I said anything was under threat. Those are your words I am afraid, typically you have misread me to start some kind of argument I guess. I only mentioned that a national identity grows and changes with time. Did I say it was good or bad? Tell me. Also, surely you don't disagree?
Why do you question others and not make whatever point is inside your head? What do you actually want to say about this topic? Come on, any opinions?
Red Chief
Sorry, Speedy.
I thought you wanted to say something original making disagreement with and I still believe that you have been getting knowledge about Dubai not only from wikipedia.
Speedhump
I wasn't disagreeing with anyone, read again. Does everything have to be a disagreement?
I told you to read wikipedia, I don't need it to understand concepts.
Tell me what Mohammed Al-Fahim says about the influx of Persians into the western Trucial States? Did you ever read his book?
Speedhump
I don't believe you have anything to contribute to this subject, do you.....
Speedhump
OK let's start you off. What does it mean to you to be Russian?
Red Chief
Sorry, Speedy.
It was my fault. Probably I didn't understand your sentence properly. "I don't disagree" is too heavy for me. :(
Speedhump
- Speedhump wrote:
- Tom Jones wrote:
The UAE lost this guy forever, even though he was effectively an Emarati in every aspect except for his nationality papers. People like these should rightfully be entitled to the UAE citizenship. Giving them citizenship is also in the best interest of this country which needs to combat the fact that the Emarati nationals are becoming, more and more, a very tiny minority in their own country.8) 8)
I don't disagree with the idea at all, it would be a nice reward to the people who have worked here for a long time, and also would keep skilled labour from leaving, but isn't the actual wish of the UAE probably to keep their Arab identity, and giving citizenship to Pakistanis, British, Australians, etc. is in fact diluting this aim?
No problem.
Tom Jones said it was a good idea to give citizenship to some specific long term residents. I said I don't disagree.
It's a double negative and it's a normal part of English language. Don't disagree means agree. Sorry if it confused you. I just wrote as I would speak.
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
It's a double negative and it's a normal part of English language. Don't disagree means agree. Sorry if it confused you. I just wrote as I would speak.
I either had bad teachers or was a bad student about double negative in English language.
Thanks for education.
Speedhump
As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!
Why? You are a native speaker. Your language is absolute standart for me.
I said that current argument happened only due to my conservative language, not permanent desire bashing you as you had thought.
RobbyG
- Red Chief wrote:
- Speedhump wrote:
As I have no Russian language skill at all I would be very stupid to criticise your English!
Why? You are a native speaker. Your language is absolute standart for me.
I said that current argument happened only due to my conservative language, not permanent desire bashing you as you had thought.
Its not standar
T Chief...its standar
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:lol: 8) :lol:
Education...education...educaaation ;)
Red Chief
"Who are you to f@cking lecture me?"- asked Mr. Lavrov to Mr. Miliband in the phone conversation just after Georgian war.
8) 8) 8)
RobbyG
- Red Chief wrote:
"Who are you to f@cking lecture me?"- asked Mr. Lavrov to Mr. Miliband in the phone conversation just after Georgian war.
8) 8) 8)
Mr. Miliband replied to Mr. Lavrov; "Cause you are being ignorant and could use a proficiency tutoring"...
Which was well founded and the two men agreed to shake hands once again... :lol: :wink: :lol:
Red Chief
You def
I n
I tely should write pulp fiction, Rob. Oh, sorry, you always do so...
RobbyG
- Red Chief wrote:
You def I n I tely should write pulp fiction, Rob. Oh, sorry, you always do so...
I see you can't appreciate my sublime response.
I'm sorry you are that limited.
...sigh they'll never learn it. :lol:
pinoy1
Is he really oblivious of the fact that those laborers came here on high hopes and false promises?
If these people knew what they are really getting themselves in to, they wouldn't come here, that's for sure. But it's not the UAE's problem right?
:roll:
Tom Jones
- pinoy1 wrote:
Is he really oblivious of the fact that those laborers came here on high hopes and false promises?
If these people knew what they are really getting themselves in to, they wouldn't come here, that's for sure. But it's not the UAE's problem right?
:roll:
- michaeldubai wrote:
Answer is simple: People coming to work here is a two way thing - we provide a service for which we get paid. In simple words we get the money, you get the place built up. So we have millions of labourers who have honoured their end of the contract - toiling day and night. But someone (the employer - the bigshots) have not kept their end of the promise, no or low salaries and providing inhuman living conditions.
Although they bear the biggest part of the responsibility, we can’t just blame the local employers for the plight of the abused laborers in the UAE.
Let’s not forget that these poor laborers also get lied to, exploited and deceived by their own people who represent the recruitment agencies in their home countries. Those greedy and crooked recruiters know about the working conditions over here, but they lie to the workers giving them unrealistic and false hopes, not to mentin slapping them with exorbitant fees!!
In addition, and as someone mentioned earlier, their own governments do not actively lobby for them and stand by them either!
It seems like it’s a no win situation for these poor fellows!
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canuckbid
Well this might not be in context but I don't know why anyone woud want to leave Canada to work in the desert? I guess the draw of money does it. In Canada we accept everybody no matter the color of skin or previous nationality, or religion. Just from reading the forums, I feel there is alot of problems in Dubai with the locals and foreigners. I came here to learn about Dubai as it's in the news alot. I might visit one day to take in a camal race. I have no desire to live there. I couldn't take the heat!
daisy
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
In my opinion you are mistaken here. What is been discussed is the poor condition of the labours in a country who promised them something in return for their work and dedication.
It wont corrupt or interferes a country's culture.
....or you are stating that the culture of Arabs is still keeping slaves???
Sk.Mohahammad said it very clearly that there is problem in some areas and they are going to do something about it but the issue is implementing.
The government can expel iranian companies from their place just to please a so called super power but will not take proper actions to improve the situation of poor workers by making and implying a law for their security.
Why agents have a free hand in terms of hiring labours????
we all should respect any human who is doing labour to improve our life style and playing as an anonymous milestone in the development of the developed countries.
Speedhump
- daisy wrote:
- canuckbid wrote:
Hello. I think alot of people forget that they are in a different country than their own and don't respect the local laws and customs. They think everything should be the same as their home country. Wake up and smell the coffee. You shoud respect the countries culture or don't be there.
In my opinion you are mistaken here. What is been discussed is the poor condition of the labours in a country who promised them something in return for their work and dedication.
It wont corrupt or interferes a country's culture.
....or you are stating that the culture of Arabs is still keeping slaves???
Sk.Mohahammad said it very clearly that there is problem in some areas and they are going to do something about it but the issue is implementing.
The government can expel iranian companies from their place just to please a so called super power but will not take proper actions to improve the situation of poor workers by making and implying a law for their security.
Why agents have a free hand in terms of hiring labours????
we all should respect any human who is doing labour to improve our life style and playing as an anonymous milestone in the development of the developed countries.
With respect, canuckbid was on topic, this thread is about the UAE and people coming to live here or visit, and complaining about it. The thread has been hijacked to YET AGAIN make another thread about workers' rights.
I suggest you misunderstood his post.
;)
canuckbid
It's funny how people take words and twist them. I never stated that at all. How would I know what is happening in your country? I merely stated when you visit a different country you should respect their ways and culture. It's not worth posting here if people want to jump on you when you make a post. If you are not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem. Actions speak louder than words on a blog. Have a good day.
portland
From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.
Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe
Speedhump
- portland wrote:
From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.
Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe
It's what I always say too. We are battling against human nature. The only difference is I don't agree human rights' arguments are always 'lame'; we can't just let human nature take its course, laws have to protect the weak from the strong.
In the UAE it IS happening, but it seems it's not fast enough for critics of the UAE. The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.
portland
- Speedhump wrote:
- portland wrote:
From my point of nonsense this is not just about laborarers, expats and locals nor the government or employers here in Dubai. Every where we see a lame argument of human rights or i want this i want that, why is it better like this or like that...The fact is we humans our selves are hungry for power or just about anything, we are never content with anything, as we have or get what we want. We keep on bargaining for a better one, thus our hunger and thirst for dominance keeps on growing and growing.
Human is like a virus of the earth we keep on consuming every thing 'till one day we can no longer consume anything but our selves. "Original Quote by Me. hehehe
It's what I always say too. We are battling against human nature. The only difference is I don't agree human rights' arguments are always 'lame'; we can't just let human nature take its course, laws have to protect the weak from the strong.
In the UAE it IS happening, but it seems it's not fast enough for critics of the UAE. The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.
HEHEHE Brilliant...you got my point with the lame thing... :twisted:
Speedhump
I did?
Red Chief
- Speedhump wrote:
The fact that the Arab way is naturally slow and unrushed (this is just fact) is not accepted by the critics. But change is happening.
In average they are a little bit slow. If you mean the people who speak Arabic they differ each other very much.
Syrian guy I work to is rather energetic and quick as soon as he needs to compete with Indian guys. He graduated from Russian university and get married Russian wife though.
In cargo industry Brits are considered as the biggest retards among Europeans due to the their islander's mentality.
portland
@speed hehehe did so...
@red chief nice comment with the retards there... :blob6:
LOL
Speedhump
How clever of you to mention Brits in reply to me, you dolt.
What is islanders' mentality? Who believes it, other Europeans? In my industry Brits are considered the most trustworthy and professional, or maybe it's just me.
In my industry for example Russians and their satellite countries are generally crooked and heavy drinkers (apart from the women). I know a few myself. They bought half of Cyprus with cash out of suitcases. Not too trustworthy. In fact not trustworthy at all and very bad business partners.
What does it have to do with this thread?
:roll:
Red Chief
It was only about generalization about things you don't have enough experience with.
So don't be upset if somebody thinks the same about your nation in some business fields.
As for crude industry I've never said that Brits are retards, they are most likely sharks :evil:
Sarah_khal
The answer is simple they come for work. But Dubai will die without all foreigners around. And Dubai must rethink its economic model because its showing sign of cracking according to news property price will go down by 50% this year.
Beside Dubai must understand that this economic meltdown will not sapre even the smartest countries.
Speedhump
- Red Chief wrote:
It was only about generalization about things you don't have enough experience with.
So don't be upset if somebody thinks the same about your nation in some business fields.
As for crude industry I've never said that Brits are retards, they are most likely sharks :evil:
I only asked you to explain. Maybe Dubai attracts a worse skillset in cargo industry, does someone have to possess any skills or knowledge at all to do that work? I have no idea. There are a lot of 'unskilled' real estate agents here also, is it the same phenomenon?
What does islander mentality mean; savage, uneducated? Unfortunately a lot more uneducated Brits seem to be appearing here over the past couple of years, just coming here to try their luck at anything that comes up.
I'm interested to hear what you mean, you need to explain.
Red Chief
I was talking only about ppl. from British cargo industry (in The UK).
"The islander's mentality" means only that it's rather difficult for Continental ppl. to reach understanding with islanders in cargo industry. I had similar experience as well - simple operations took much more time than in Continental Europe.
It's a stereotype of cause.
Speedhump
OK. I guess you are talking about cargo brokers. I have come across some in UK while shipping my personal effects here and they can have a very 'small town' attitude.
Like a lot of people who never worked outside their own small area, they get very blinkered.
In other industries Brits work very well with Europeans, Asians, etc !