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How cruel can humans be - disturbing footage


devilsdiciple
Any case have already filled the petition. But again I dont believe in not harvesting for food. But I do agree that it should be done in a humane way with the least amount of stress going to the animal. I think that is what you are also trying to say....
Chocoholic Firstly I apologise for this post, but I am totally disgusted at what I have seen here. You may not want to view this but I urge you too, then you will see with your own eyes what these people are doing! We have to do everything we can to stop this. This video clip is very upsetting but please don't turn a blind eye. If you can't watch the video clip, please go straight to the petition and sign anyway. Please forward this to everyone in your mail box and help to stop the brutal murdering of these beautiful creatures. To date more than 750,000 people across the globe have signed and objected to this unthinkable slaughter. And please no sarcastic or funny replies, it would only show how inhuman you are. KeithL Its so sad to see cruelty towards any life form ! particularly to gentle giants like whales and dolphins :cry: alexandra F***ing bastards :x thanks for posting Choco jabbajabba I have totally signed - i find it amazing how debased of dignity humans can be. HP ¨ white people kill humanbeings and black and brown kill animals :lol: jst kidding , i think Fish are very tasty and its natural viagara :P XPClone
That's not even funny. jabbajabba
Very good - for our next lesson we will learn to spell again, but best take your medicine first and get your nappy changed.
kay1730
I dont see the funny side.
I dont know how humans can do this kind of thing, its just disgusting. Concord
Thanks Choco.
As said already, all I could say as I watched was: Fcuking Bastards! At least we can do something about it. And thanks to the internet awareness is raised faster.
Its my new signature.

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dubai girl OMG! I have been chicken to open this link for a couple of days...finally got the "balls" to do it. I am going to have nightmares, and be ill from only the few seconds I watched. Everyone please sign this. Choco, thanks for bringing this to our attention. What in the hell is wrong with this world? Chocoholic Typical reply from HP. Here's a lesson for you! Dolphins and Whales are NOT FISH, they are mammals, which means they're air breathing. The creatures are incredibly intelligent and live in family pods, so in scenes like this, entire families are wiped out in one go. The feel emotion, pain and have to watch their family members being slaughtered in front of them, then to await their own fate. Dolphins and Whales can also live upto 80 years old, they mature in age much the same way humans do and that's to say that they reach breeding age from around 12 years onwards, so their populations will never get the chance to recover after such massive killings. The way the are killed is totally barbaric, slow and painful. Japan should be utterly ashamed. HP
After the deaths of millions of people during worldwar 11, they become used to it :=) . A man always learn from his master USA :P
Choco have u ever wrote about the death of people in Iraq ? How many mothers lose their kids everyday? :roll: sauron Thanks Choco. I couldn't open the video for some reason - don't think I need to see it, will upset me too much. Signed the petition and so did my kids - they are not all horrible, uncaring monsters. HP, Viagra might be a quick fix for your impotence problem, but unfortunately there is nothing on the market that will cure your lack of intelligence. freza oh-oh! hee-hee

I think I love you HP ... :razz: sage & onion Thank you for the posting Chocs. Unbelievably cruel, I have signed the petition, everone who sees this should sign. HP
Lack of intelligence lead the US to invade in Iraq . If the Head of state of US, UK or FBI, CIA , M5 can be stupid than HP is simple person . :wink: Tropic23 I can`t open the link.......I`m sure I would get nightmares.... But I know already that the humanity is barbarous!!!! How is it a possible that humans do such terrible things? benwj
'HP is simple person'
You got that right HP.
A few kagaroos loose in the top paddock there mate.
HP Choco if u dont have BF anymore , it doesnt mean that u shuld love animals :lol: Chocoholic HP, stop trashing this thread. The point is the majority of these species are protected in the first place. Humans can do something about their plight, animals on the other hand are totally and utterly at the mercy of mankind. If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, then don't post in it. The guy who runs the petition wants 1 million signatures and he's well on the way to getting it. He will then send it to the Government of Japan, to show the worlds disgust. Have you seen the different countries that people have contributed from? It's amazing, hopefully we can make a difference. aarif once i saw on discovery or bbc food channel. they cut the fish from both side so that all the bones were visible, meat from both side its tummy was removed but they didnt cut its head so the poor animal was breathing and then they put spicy food on its tummy the part from where they removed the meat, they threw that meat... now on plate there was a living fish lying with bones instead of it tummy on which there was spicy food and its a proper dish and people were eating that spicy food. i never get it why whats the charm or taste in it.. HP
Humans can do something when they also have latest weapon . But latest weapon r only restricted to some nations and rest of ppl r defending with stones :=) .
Jst tell me !! Have u ever wrote single topic or even line about the PPL in Iraq ? Let assume that Saddam era was worst but what about now. Are we getting used to see 30 to 50 people 's death every day".
[color=red]Have we started skipping the news like sage&onion's joke because it is the part of everyday life and nothing special in it :=)[/color]
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HP:=) Not_Sure lol...even if u get 3 million signatures....mmm..how many exactly are we in the world????? what is 10 million? (one country?) lol what abt camels, sheeps, and many other animals we eat. This just shows u watch to much disney cartoons rather then watching the news every morning.... Heres a more interesting topic: Nukes, nerv gas used in war, oh lord...wait till you see those footages...and they aint abt cuddly animals either. Time to wake up sweety....its not an astroid that will end this world...or God himself...it will be us. PARANOID No offense , but from what you wrote in your first post choco I thought I'd see a video in which animals are being tortured just because. Japanese people eat dolphins, just like you might eat chickens or someone else might eat cows or goats. They aren't killing them for fun, and they aren't trying to make thier deaths any more painful from what I see, they aren't mutilating them, they are fishing them just like smaller fishes are caught- but these are bigger ones so different ways of carrying them are used. And they are doing it all for food. If you don't like eating dolphins, don't eat them. But trying to stop others from doing so is the same as trying to stop other groups from eating other kinds of animals or birds which are acceptable to be eaten by you, and if not you a lot of the people commenting in this thread, like chickens and cows. EDIT: and if someone isn't a vigitarian yet signs such petitions, I view them as hypocrites. Concord
and "games" and "its thurdays"
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P.S. HP you are still a monkey. A funny monkey! Concord
show them you arsehole. Concord
Don't waste your time. I'm sure there is someone out there who will take a blowjob from you... PARANOID I made a lot of sence in my post a fatass like you just can't comprehend, therefore producing one very lame not funny unrelated reply.Get aids,B*tch. Legendkiller well said Hp and paranoid! If they wanna eat dolphins...let them! who r we to say they can't? forget the japanese for a moment..let's take something that most of us eat..chicken..do u really think that chickens have a peaceful death.. and how can we forget the kfc method for killing chicken.. i know that those dolphins don't have a painless death..but then again which animal on our plates have? shafique I guess I am going to have to be unpopular with this post - but this is spin and propaganda, using emotive language (and also misleading language). Firstly, the scenes of slaughter are no different from the slaughter of other animals for food - just as intelligent mammals, such as horses, pigs and more commonly cows. All mammals and birds will convulse when they are slaughtered, this is normal. Not stunning a mammal is more humane than stunning one - a stunned animal still feels pain and is fearful (studies have shown), but does not convulse as much as a non-stunned animal that just has it's arteries cut and loses conciousness straight away. My children have seen animals slaughtered as I think they should know where their meat is coming from and have respect for animals. They should know that meat comes from living beings and not shrink wrapped parcels on the supermarket shelf. By all means, if this is illegal or endangering the dolphins, then this should be highlighted and protested against. However, pulling at the heartstrings of people who have not seen the realities of killing animals for meat is spin and hype and sticks in the throat. It isn't a 'massacre' - it's a harvest of the sea. It's no different from trawling for fish or culling deer or rounding up steers for slaughter. Horses are slaughtered everyday for their meat - why aren't people signing petitions against the French and other continentals for this? I guess perhaps it is because they don't let people film the slaughter and put their spin on it? There is a lot of injustice in the world and a lot of genuine harm is being done to the ecology and flora and fauna - however humans have a right to eat meat and to responsibly harvest natures bounty. The fishing of dolphins and their slaughter for meat shown in the film was graphic, but no evidence (in the film) was given for this being irresponsible or even cruel by fishing or abattoir or hunting standards. My final thought would be that people who are offended by the scenes would similarly be offended by any slaughter house - but how many would still happily tuck into a steak or a chicken or eat fish? Cheers, Shafique PARANOID
Uhh no, don't group me with HP. His logic is that because people die we shouldn't care about animals. I care about animals a lot, and I condemn those who torture them and cause them pain for no reason( I remember the first two videos choco posted a long time ago about animal torture in china- THAT'S something to sign a petition for IMO) Still I believe humans can kill animals for food. Different people from different places eat different animals, and I think the guys commenting here should be openminded about that.
I also don't completly approve of killing animals only for thier skins to make clothes and such. shafique PS - one misleading line (to illustrate why I'm a little incensed) was when the narrator said that the dolphins who had their jugulars slashed were convulsing in pain whilst slowly suffocating. What utter tosh - the dolphins were dying due to blood loss, just as cows etc are slaughtered and weren't suffocating - dolphins breath air, so don't suffocate out of water and weren't slowly suffocating at all. Cheers, Shafique ikhalifa ugh, didn't need to see that. bushra21 signed the petition, sent it to everyone that i know that hasnt seen it yet and also posted it on my blog... this kind of stuff is just disgusting. Concord
Hey Shafique and all who have mentioned chickens, cows, horses, etc.
Start a campaing or point people to the place were they can petition.
I guess same would go for slave labor / discrimination / intollerance: why care about one incident when it happens to other people in other places, etc. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I hope you signed the petition :wink: shafique Concord, I'll sign any petition that will campaign against battery chickens which confine egg laying hens in cages which are inhumane. However, I will not be a hypocrite and condemn what is a natural harvest of dolphins for human consumption. The dolphins in question had a good life and weren't farmed, and arguably had a better life than all the dolphins in aquariums around the world which are kept in captivity for the pleasure of humans - let's sign a petition for that. I say free all the performing dolphins first! But don't ask me to buy the misleading propaganda about 'suffocating slowly' when what we are seeing is the slaughter of mammals for meat and is no more disturbing than the slaughter of horses and cows. If I were the Japanese, I'd take the videos of animal rights people that filmed in the abattoirs of the 'West' and similarly dub it with music and a voiceover and show kids tucking into McDonalds to show how barbaric the Occidentals are. I wonder how many will sign that petition. :) Cheers, Shafique shafique Concord, Show me real suffering and I'll sign any petition (and more) that you want. If the dolphins are suffering, then so are the many millions more mammals that are slaughtered everyday, and millions more fish that are caught every day. Children in Darfur, Zimbabwe, Gaza, West Bank, Baghdad, Kabul are all suffering because of the needless actions of man. That I'll sign a petition for. Don't swallow vegan crap - the stench of propaganda makes me wretch. Cheers, Shafique freza Nice refute dawgy. Not. I don't know about dophin meat, but shark meat is nasty as hell, or maybe it's an acquired taste. For some reason I feel like wearing my taupe dog fur jacket today, it's très chic. too bad it's a warm day, I'd probably look more ridiculous than usual wearing it... Some of you need to wrap yourself up in a Winnie da Poo blanket with a bag of caramel popcorn, get in touch with your sensitive feelings and your um, well placed "priorities" in life, yup feel safe from this cruel cruel world! ha, bunch of freakazoids. freza woo-hoo, Shafique said it like it is :twisted: Shafique for mod! (it's weird and a bit sad, that common sense is so rare nowadays...) KeithL Shafique, the point the Choco is trying to make is to raise awareness against cruelty to these harmless creatures. Its inhuman to keep them alive on flatbed trucks for extended periods of time when their skin needs to be moistened constantly. PETA has raised the matter of cruelty to chickens and cows in most countries because of which laws are quite stringent and enforce certain rules on slaughterhouses that aims to reduce trauma and stress to the animals. They have to be provided with food and water, sufficient space (especially chickens) and they are stunned before they are slaughtered to reduce the pain. This thread is not to justify cruelty... its to help stop inhuman slaughter of a fast diminishing species, just like the baby seals of canada, the young apes of Africa and whaling by Norway and Japan KeithL
How do you view the signatories Choco?? :? benwj
The dolphins may not have been slowly suffocating, but yes, they were convulsing in pain, and slowly dying due to blood loss.
This is what some people find disturbing, apart from the fact that they are dolphins.
Cows, horses, sheep, goats etc are no longer slaughted this way, unless it is for religious reasons. The accepted method of death is a bolt gun triggered at a precise area on the top of the skull. This is closely monitored by governments and many animal rights groups, and there ARE already videos of the abattoirs that have broken the rules.
As I said, there are obviously concessions for religious reasons and these are respected by myself and others.
But the japanese were not following any religious methods, or scientific methods of slaughter. Chocoholic Keith, you click on the link for the petition, then click on 'view signatures'. Some of you are totally insensitive and I'm appalled by some of your attitudes. Shaf, the whole point is that these 'mammals' are not killed humanely. As has been pointed out most 'land dwelling mammals' are killed using bolt guns, which is instant. Dolphins and whales are sea dwelling mammals and once they are taken out of that environment they are totally stressed, their skin dries and becomes painful and their body weight, without the suspension of water basically can crush their internal organs, so yes they can effectively suffocate under their own weight out of water. They're not killed unstantly, it is slow and painful and can be over hours! That's the point. Plus did you totally ignore the fact about entire family groups being wiped out? That they don't reach breeding age till their teens, that they live till 80? So at this rate they will be driven to exstinction! Once they're gone from this earht, you cannot bring them back. Chocoholic At the rate man is going at wiping out species from the planet, soon there'll be no other 'naimal' left than man, who is the most pathetic, cruel and evil of them all. And to answer your question HP, I have witten many times about peoples plights. The world does not revolve around Iraq! There are people suffering in countries all over the world you know. But the more I see mans willful distruction against his own kind, the less I care. HP
Jade ,
If the President of Iran comes with the remarks , you r the first person to open a new topic , Yeah Yeah Yeah . :roll: I hope you dont mind you uncle adolf Hitlor and his kidness to Jew community , because a mans willful distruction against his own kid :lol:
what do u say sweetheart ? shafique
So you agree there is at least one misleading fact in the film.
IF they are 'slowly dying due to blood loss' then this would be cruel and inhumane. But this is not what the film was saying and blood gushing out of arteries is actually an indication of quick, humane slaughter.

The accepted method makes it easier on the onlookers and causes the animals more suffering - death still only occurs when the throats are slit. If you search on my posts you'll see it has been discussed before with scientific references.
I totally agree that people find the scenes disturbing. In my opinion this is because scenes of slaughtering for meat are disturbing for people who have not seen them before.

I'm not approaching this thread from a religious perspective - rather from a perspective of how best to slaughter animals once one decides we can eat meat.
Now - let me be clear - I find that the way in which the dolphins were treated before being slaughtered to be disturbing - the transportation and dragging of live dolphins. Far better, in my opinion to dispatch the animals on the quayside and then transport the carcasses. This important message is lost when sentimental and misleading propaganda is used to convey wrong and misleading messages.
Cheers,
Shafique shafique
If that is the whole point of the film, then I am too against this prolonged suffering. However the film did not major on this point and seemed to be condemning the fact that dolphins were being caught for meat - not the manner of their dispatch.
I also disagree with a bolt to the head causing less pain for the animals - but we have discussed this before and it is not relevant here (unless you are advocating the Japanese stun the animals as soon as they are taken out of the water - I would rather have them slaughter them there and then).

Prolonged suffering cannot be condoned.
As I also said, if the point is made that the harvesting is endangering the population of dolphins, then this is a question of mismanagement and should also be condemned (I am in favour of the fish quotas etc imposed on European fishermen to try and counteract the overfishing and depletion of fish stocks - just see the near extinction of Cod in British waters).
However, my personal opinion is that these noble causes (for which I will sign a petition and, more importantly, spend my consumer dollars/pounds supporting) are not best served by emotive and misleading propaganda that offend the logic of anyone who decides to scratch the surface of the images and narrative.
Cheers,
Shafique Chocoholic Shaf, I see you still choose to ignore the facts about entire families being wiped out etc etc. HP, get lost youy pathetic loser. Go talk about your rubbish in the politics thread. HP
when a person loose the argument then he/ she comes with the abusive language . Being a loser is not as bad as being a " Hypo " :lol: Chocoholic I really donb't care what some of you think, and the fact that all you can do is sit and nitpick and what is correct and incorrect in a narration. The underlying fact is that the way these beautiful animals are being treated is wrong. IF you can't see that, then I suggest you take a trip to the Musandam and see them in the wild. Food or not, 'fishing' them like this will wipe them out, again if you're so ignorant not to see that, then there's something wrong with you. At least I'm dong something for something that concerns me, what are you doing? Chocoholic I haven't lost any argument HP. There is no argument here. I just wish people would see that this is wrong, and if you can't, then there's something seriosuly wrong with you. What so you keep on killing species like this till they're gone? Once they're gone you can't bring them back. Grow up you silly little boy. shafique
I don't think I have - if it is the case that dolphin stocks are being dangerously depleted, then this is wrong. But just to condemn the harvesting of a family group of animals for slaughter can only be done if the population of dolphins in the wild is being rendered unsustainable by the practice.
I could not find an argument either way from the film, and the fact it contains misleading information leads me to doubt the motives and tactics of the producers. If they lied about one fact, why should I believe anything else they say?
That is why I said in my previous post that this type of propaganda is counter-productive - any nugget of truths hidden in the hype is in danger of being dismissed when the big lies are exposed.
Cheers,
Shafique HP
You have not lost then answer my this reply :

Jade ,
If the President of Iran comes with the remarks , you r the first person to open a new topic , Yeah Yeah Yeah . :roll: I hope you dont mind you uncle adolf Hitlor and his kidness to Jew community , because a mans willful distruction against his own kid :lol:
what do u say sweetheart ? Chocoholic And what do you think will happen my dear, as I've clearly stated before when dolphins only reach the breeding age at around 10 or 12 years? How can they possibly sustain their numbers in that case? These animals are more intelligent than most people. Anyway it's pointless to talk to people like you who clearly just don't give a damn about anything. FYI, I watched the video without commentary. It's enough to prove a point, that it's WRONG! St.Lucifer Thats a disturbing vid.. for sure... but I dont see it any different from any animal slaughter. I still remember, the first time I'd seen a cow being slaughtered. They had this slaughterhouse right on the way to my school.. if u watch it, it would really make u cry. Shaf, I just cant agree to one of your points ,that u make your kids see it so that they can understand it ? If they still eat mean.. its inhumane.., by making them watch it, all you gain is, just make their minds insensitive of such acts. Thats to my understanding. I dont agree with this theory - there was one misleading information, so the vid itself is trash.. or sayin pls gimme the REAL sufferings and/or a canadian blog that shows the brutality in killing horses, then i'll sign.. thats like - I'll cross then riven when all the water has run down to the ocean. Chocs, this is not different from any other slaughter. I agree with shaf n others who said , there's a fair bit of hype in it.. But I'm right there against animal slaughter. errtime whats the big deal ? its just fish who doesnt like fish? its tasty. shafique St Luc - I agree with you that the video is showing what the slaughter of animals is like and is no different from the slaughter of other animals for meat. Eating meat or fish means that living creatures lose their lives and we eat their flesh. If one chooses not to be a vegetarian then the question becomes one of how one should kill the animals we eat - and as you point out, the scenes in the video of the slaughter are no more, and no less, gory or inhumane than any other slaughter of large mammals for food. I do have a question over their treatment before the slaughter, but the argument of the video and some in this thread is that the slaughter is cruel and inhumane. The slaughter, if anything, is more humane than battery farmed chickens - of which most people can jump into their cars and within a few hours be at the barns where this is going on - yet people happily munch KFC or buy their eggs and shrink-wrapped chickens from supermarkets. Chocs then has a go because the dolphins are being killed with young dolphins - but this only had one line in the video. Killing of young animals does not mean that irresponsible animal husbandry is going on - but if it is, then the video is at fault for not making the point. I happily savour lamb chops, but am not under the illusion that the meat did not come from immature sheep. As for dolphins being intelligent - well studies show that pigs are more intelligent, and horses just as intelligent. And yet many more pigs and horses are killed for meat than dolphins. Perhaps I'm just too touchy and am unforgiving when I am lied to? Cheers, Shafique shafique
I think it would less humane to let my kids think that meat comes neatly packaged from supermarket shelf.
Life and death are natural and should be given respect. I really can't insulate my kids from the hollywood depictions of murder and intimate relations, but I can show them the reality of where meat comes from. Over many millenia we as humans have hunted, butchered and cooked our food. It is natural and not something that should turn one's stomach - rather it gives you a healthy sense of life and food and makes one think twice before throwing away food or being over-indulgent.
I don't go out of my way and drag my kids to abattoirs, but where the opportunity presents itself to see a chicken, goat or bull slaughtered, we allow them to watch and explain what is going on.
Cheers,
Shafique Not_Sure
u thinking of it? u can nibble on it if u want :oops:
ur a dog arent u? u shud be used to doing it on urself...so u wudnt mind nibbling on mind buddy eh? loool....ruf ruf....i might be meooowing like a cat when u nibble me...loooooooooooooool......dam im so baad. rudeboy lol for gods sake its a bloody fish :D naaah am joking i feel for u chocolic dolphins are clever so are tigers so are cats and parrots and monkeys and elephants and hp naah just joking hp is my bro :D but it would have been nice to see u start a post about ppl killing each other :D by da way anyone seen jamal :D did anyone miss me :P asc_26
How can Hp be your brother? He's proposing to your sister asc :joker:

:oops: Concord I thought 'HP" and "Brother" were different brands. asc_26
True, but there's always United Colours of Benetton! Concord
You are scary! devilsdiciple I have to go with Shafique here....Though the vid is horrific I think it was made to give that effect. As for entire families being wiped out, I am just repeating what was said earlier...The same occurs when culling of elephants takes place or trawling for fish etc...So a judgement cant be based on such a reasoning that because they are intelligent, or young etc they cant be harvested. To highligt cruelty would be to condem cage shooting of animals for money or extracting gal juice from bears in China...... As for knowing where meat comes from, my father also said that to eat any meat you should know how it comes...Then if you still want to eat you can...But not knowing is a bigger evil.... Chocoholic Elephant culls are not comparable. They normally only kill the older elephants, they wouldn't kill infants. And at least in culls, animals are killed quickly and humanely. With the dolphins this is not the case. Shame you turn a blind eye to that fact. I will just assume that you're a cold, heartless human being. At least I know it's wrong and I choose to do something about. It's a real shame people spout on about other issues here that they feel are more important, but are they doing anything about it? I doubt it! Concord
On "Shafique Speak",
Shafique,
If I understand you correctly,
There are children in Darfur who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it: and
There are children in Zimbabwe who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it: and
There are children in Gaza who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it: and
There are children in West Bank who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it: and
There are children in Bagchad who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it: and
There are children in Kabul who are suffering and you'll sign a petition but could not be bother or were unable to point us to it.
I would gladly sign the petition...Just let me know.
I recognize that you have no obligation to direct us to any petition but it is just a thought.
Chocoholic took the initiaitve to post something that seems cruel - can't deny that..
If you find a petition against cruelty to Chickens, cows, sheep, tuna, flies, mosquitoes, etc. let me know as well. Chocoholic Like I said, all you have to do is go to: and there are thousands regarding Environment, Religion, Politics, Media and Entertainment etc etc etc. ^ian^
And do you know what they do...... nothing! Concord
thanks :roll: Chocoholic And how do you know they do nothing Ian? And what's the :roll: for Concord? Concord
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ^ian^
Well, they don't do 'nothing' - they do provide people the opportunity to vent about something, be self righteous, or use them to push their social self esteem.
If you really wanted to save the Dolphins/Wales/Iguana, go jump aboard a Greenpeace ship as a volunteer (not just a donor) and actually do something.
An online petition is the true shirkers way of thinking they're doing something good and availing themselves of any social guilt, whilst not actually achieving anything.
Rock and Roll. Chocoholic And whose to say that some of those who sign, won't go and do something? People having their say about something can make a difference. Anyway since I posted this another 60,000 people world wide have signed it to show their disapproval. Concord
There are only two kinds of people in the world: Those who do and those who don't. As simple as that. Concord
Is more like 20 (I signed 59,980 times)! ^ian^
On a very very small few will. FWIW, my brother is one of these very people that actually DOES SOMETHING, risking his life and limb for whales/dolphins/iguanas.
Doesn't make me a better person though, unless I do something, rather than sitting on my bum in an office waiting for someone else to save the world.
Otherwise I just add to the noise.

Imagine that... 60,000 people feeling good about themselves because they signed the petition, meanwhile the Dolphins are thinking "I wish there were more people actually doing something instead of wasting their time on the internet! SH1T! here comes another boat!!!!!"
But hey, if at the end of the day when the Dolphins are all gone you can say happily "well, it's not my fault - I signed an online petition" then good for you. devilsdiciple
What do you say is wrong....The killing of dolphines for food or they way it is done...Like S said, if you look at it from a 3rd point of view isint slaughtering of any animal for that matter wrong..Chicken also have their jugulars cut and this leads to a rapid death due to massive blood loss which is a more humane way of going.....
As for the petition once signed what do you suggest should be the right alternative for harvesting of dolphines or do you say that they should not be caught at all?????
If so, then what have the other animals done!!!! Chocoholic DD, you miss the point completely. The dolphins are not killed imeediately after being caught. They are loaded onto trucks, ALIVE, dragged along with chains attached to their tails, ALIVE, left lying on the ground for ages, ALIVE. How is this humane? It's not! It's not just in Japan, in the Pharaoh islands, the people catch and kill Pilot whales, again they're hacked at with hooks and knives, hauled out alive and have their heads hacked off with chainsaws. This is NOT HUMANE! By the way I was right about the elephants in that they do not kill the infants, but I also object to the culling of thoe animals, and why? Purely because in some areas their numbers interfer with mans plans - nothing more. asc_26
:joker: :joker:
I signed this kind of petition during my high school days to tell the whole wide world that it's not OK. Peru is in the hot plate before for environmentalist/conservationist against whale and dolphins fishing. Up to date, there are still illegal fishing even if Peru government passed the law to protect these mammals against illegal fishing.
It's not just Japan. Its neighboring countries are doing the same thing even if there are millions who signed this kind of petition. Worst, awareness campaign like this is not effective to countries with poor economy!
This petition is :joker: Chocoholic Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Although personally I object to the killnigs of whales and dolphins in the first place, the same as I object to horses, dogs and cats being killed for food. But that's a personal opinion. shafique Just to be clear - I also am in favour of any animal being dispatched humanely and quickly. The part of the film that was disturbing, was the treatment before the slaughter. It's a shame that the film seemed to focus on the killing 'per se' rather than the treatment before the killing and used emotional and incorrect language. Chocs - thanks for posting and I don't hold you responsible for the editorial content of the film, so all my criticisms were actually against the film - not really against those who believed in the message it portrayed (that killing all/any dolphins is bad). I also share Ian's views on real actions vs well-meaning but futile gestures. Cheers, Shafique sage & onion
Whilst I am in basic agreement with all that you have said, and also Ian's point of view in part, do you not think that public opinion can at times change things? Chocoholic But if you don't try, you'll never know! ^ian^
The point of difference being public opinion and public rabble.
Organisations like Greenpeace help steer public opinion. Internet surveys are just noise that achieves nothing. shafique Public opinion can surely change things - such as wearing fur - but my issue is with propaganda based on untruths, it cheapens the argument and is counterproductive. I don't believe even in white lies - deception is deception. Well meaning deception is the worst - people who sign up for these just feel cheated and more jaded when it comes to bigger issues when they should be strongly voicing their opinions and taking action. Public opinion against the Iraq war, for example, was predominantly against it and has been proved right. However it didn't change a thing, and if the war had gone well - nothing would have changed. Cheers, Shafique benwj
The problem is that public opinion doesn't mean anything unless the person/people in the wrong are influenced by it.
In this case Japan continues to ignore overwhealming public opinion against whale/dolphin slaughter and IMO will continue doing so regardless of any action against them.
Anyway, good try Chocs, but this probably isn't the best forum to get support from. nathooarif Tried to ignore the video, finally watched it. Its not right, sick b***ards alexandra it;s sick and disgusting...how can sombody say that it;s ok to kill these amazing creatures????? :evil: shafique
Like this - 'It's ok to kill dolphins for food'
Lambs are cute as well, pigs are more intelligent than dolphins and both are killed in their millions for their flesh.
[In all cases the animals should be treated humanely - in my opinion, the transportation of live animals in trucks around Europe for tens of hours causes more distress than the dolphins shown pre-slaughter in the video. I'm not condoning the treatement of the dolphins, but condemning all needless suffering before slaughter - this should be kept to a minimum]
Cheers,
Shafique ^ian^ Perhaps it's a sad indictment of who the real who human race is, when only cute looking animals get public sympathy, while not so cute ones just get eaten. Having said that, history has shown the best way to protect an animal from extinction is to put it on the menu. Concord
But maybe someone who doesn't know about Greenpeace will now be interested in looking it up, joining, ang really doing something. It would have started from an internet petition. Most likely nothing like that will happen but... ^ian^
Perhaps it might just be me, or where I've come from, but who hasn't heard of Greenpeace? Concord
I thought you'd say that but you'd be surprised! ^ian^
I thought you'd say that. Concord
No please!!!!! now Tropic will start her crap! shafique Whereas I +knew+ you both would say that. :lol:



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