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Holy Crap the S*** is going to hit the fan


gtmash This is all lies! Forum-poster Ebonics told us all his workers are happy to be exploited where he works.
Chocoholic It is true, that many of these workers are caught between a rock and a hard place, i.e. having no work at all in their own countries or working for a pitance here. However, this does not give companies the right to exploit them the way they do! Everyone has the right to clean running water, good wash/toilet facilities and to be looked after. Sadly the way many of these companies operate is substandard, but in a country with virtually zero human rights, what can you expect. Once again, the UAE professing to be a progressive, developed country, only proving that it is 3rd world and stuck in the dark ages. RedKite Some of you forget that Dubai is trying to MARKET....[back to my marketing] ..........a TOP CLASS LUXURY LOCATION to the people of the western world , to come on holiday.
Now , this programme , which reaches tens of millions in the UK ALONE ......will NOW find its way to Germany, Sweden, Netherlands etc ...as well.
It paints a picture of FILTH and OPEN SEWERS .......IN DUBAI!! NOT LUXURY !!
People are not stupid!! That means DISEASE to them in a suffocatingly HOT country!!
The FLIES that land on that sewage.........can then FLY TO THE GROUNDS OF A 5 STAR "LUXURY" HOTEL AND LAND ON YOUR EXPENSIVE SANDWICHES NEXT TO THAT LUXURY SWIMMING POOL!!
It is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!..
.....HOW DO YOU STOP DISEASE BEARING FLIES AND MOSQUITOES FROM FLYING ??
YOU CAN'T !!!
The STENCH in the work camps in temperatures of 100 F must be horrendous!! RedKite I saw the programme. It secretly filmed inside one of the workers' camps.
It showed the toilets. They had no water. The toilets were the stand up type without seats. It showed all the unflushed crap in full colour!!. The reporter was wretching as they filmed.
The drains between their "chalets" were blocked and overflowing with sewage. The workers had stepping stones to get over the areas of surface sewage.
Workers secretly filmed [ from India] said they had to PAY agents to get a job in Dubai, and that it would take them ages, just to pay the fee back.
It will no doubt be repeated. I bet that bits will find their way onto You Tube.
It did not look good for Dubai. RedKite Another question that will be asked by the western public.....Dubai's POTENTIAL visitors!! If there are OPEN SEWERS in Dubai.........what about the WATER SUPPLY the holidaymakers are drinking? PLUS......if the INDIAN WORKERS GET CHOLERA , THEY WILL SPREAD IT TO TOURISTS!! These are all matters of common-sense! THESE CAMPS SHOULD BE CLEANED UP AS A MATTER OF URGENCY. THE UAE IS AN OIL-RICH COUNTRY. IT NEEDS TO USE SOME OIL TO PURIFY MORE SEA WATER , TO SUPPLY THESE CAMPS WITH PLENTY OF CLEAN WATER!! ADEQUATE SEWERS NEED TO BE BUILT ASAP !! IF THE DISEASES TAKE A HOLD AND VISITORS DIE.......DUBAI IS FINISHED AS A HOLIDAY DESTINATION!! RobbyG Good job BBC. Finally some reckognition for these labourers. I would recommend you all read the comments below the article. They also give very interesting insights from ex- and current workers. There isn't one commenter that says the situation is otherwise. They all agree about modern slavery. Ruskie
Exactly, that's what people don't understand is how much worse conditions are back home. They should be greatful that Dubai has taken them in to provide them with some type of work. There conditions back home I would say are the same or worse. Just look at Bangladesh. desertdudeshj I truly symphatise with the labourers situation but you have to look at the other side aswell. True you and me think they are under paid and live in Squalid conditions. I've been to some labour camps and Bachelor accomodations it really is insane there. But I've also asked them is it really worth all this crap only to make anywhere from 500 to 700dhs a month. You'd be surprised at the answer I got. They said even though to us ( And I'm no rich man here ) this might seem like very little money but he said he is happy in the knowledge that his family back home will have roof on their head and food on the table which if he was back home might not be possibly. So actually for most it really is a increase in living of standard and a better economic option to work here than to stay back home and be homeless and hungry. Just thought I'd share the other side of the story aswell. Way they get treated by their respected employers is another story altoghter :evil: arniegang Tonights BBC1 "Panorama" news and investigation program has done secret filming of Dubai's construction workers living conditions and the First Group Property Sales centre. Its called Slumdogs and Millionaires read about it here, i doubt if it will be screened on BBC World. Chocoholic Hmmm nothing new in this really is there, but will it change anything? Probably not.

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arniegang This was only filmed in January Chocs. And after seing the film Jamie Oliver has been dropped as ambassador for the Jumeira Golf Estate, because he questioned the developers. also the largest golf competition in history due there in November is now in doubt. They filmed Arabtec and UNEC working conditions inside the camp. Dont forget Panorama has serious steet cred Chocoholic I hope it makes a difference, I really do. But you know how things work here. smoggie
So, because they have a squalid existence in their country of origin makes it ok to treat them "slightly" better here? FFS, I am sick of this argument. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PLACE TO TREAT PEOPLE LIKE HUMAN BEINGS! I keep hearing about this famous Arab hospitality.........where? michaeldubai well, from the many workers I have interacted with - many claim that they were better off in their home countries - they had the privacy of their homes, the freedom of their own country, their family close to them - and even financially could somehow make ends meet. They were brought here on false hopes and never to be realized dreams - being cheated to build up this place. You have no patriotism towards your own country until you work with your own hands to build it. With foreign workers being brought it to clean roads, workplaces, run homes, take care of kids, build the cities - this place has nothing it can say it has done on its own. Especially when people are cheated - the place gets cursed. rudeboy lol sorry but hasnt the BBC got better things to do :D (misery u may use this line :D) like report something which we DONT know about???? smoggie
They are keeping Dxb in the spotlight and keeping the pressure on! rudeboy
what for? i guess they dont wont their own ppl investing in dubai. they want them to buy houses in england :D Chocoholic RB, once again you show your ignorance! WE know about it! The rest of the world doesn't! Especially because the Dubai government and authority are dead against any negative publicity getting out about the place. rudeboy
this topic has been discussed over, over, over and over again especially in this forum. why do it again? y not discuss about something better.
desert surfer
HAHAHA Classic! Misery Called Life Any bets on a new law coming out in Dubai, banning people from carrying cameras/snapping under constructions sites, labourers working, labour housing facilities etc The reasoning from the authorities would be that it's not permitted because of National Security issues! rudeboy
national security :S is not that USA :D Misery Called Life And I'm curious, how many of us here have actually seen the conditions these workers work in or their living conditions? Have we ever spoken to them? I'm not saying that they live in paradise, but maybe we're just over-reacting! Poverty exists in India, Pakistan and Nepal. It's not Dubai's fault that these people are willing to work for peanuts. Indians across any sector are willing to work cheaper than westerners....Can u blame the employer for that? rudeboy
well i am a sleeping partner in a labour supply company. if you ask me most of the conditions are rubbish. in a room you will find 20 ppl lying there in the room. in the starting most of the owners didnt have a/cs in their camps. no water either. no electricity either. food wasnt provided. and salary wasnt given to these guys for sometime.
but honestly speaking things have become much better compared to 3, 4 years ago. even though they still share with 20 ppl. ac is there, water is there, electricity is there and food is provided.
its really depends who the owners are.
but if u ask these guys do u like it here. ofcourse they gonna say no. but then they will tell u they have no other option. either they can go back to their own countries like pakistan, india, nepal and look for a job to support their families. or they can stay here get 1000dhs a month and send that back.
so is 1000dhs better then nothing? yeh they get treated like dirt here by some of their employees. but are they really treated like kings back in their own countries?
what BBC didnt report is how these ppl are back in Pakistan, india and nepal. BBC also didnt mention how much they were getting back in their own countries. BBC need to report how back in the 1950s England had the same problem.
if i had to support my family and i was uneducated and there were no jobs whats so ever in my own country what will i do? get on the flight and go to dubai even though conditions are bad there. atleast i ll be getting the money.
these ppl were not forced to come here. they are desperate to come over here. i know about 100 ppl who are calling us everyday to sort visas out for them so they can start working here sitting back in their own countries.
i have to say that the govs should do more and probably punish some companies which break the laws. smoggie
to keep the pressure on brother :wink: rudeboy
sorry i 4got there were brits here on this forum who really do care about the labours in dubai yet they dont care about killing some ppl in afghanistan or iraq :D smoggie so is 1000dhs better then nothing? yeh they get treated like dirt here by some of their employees. but are they really treated like kings back in their own countries? It is the responsibility of the UAE government to protect labourers from exploitation. Their situation elsewhere in the world is not an excuse to exploit them! This is obviously a very sensitive subject with the Government and I hope the BBC continue to highlight the labourers plight. Well done to the BBC! SMOGGIE smoggie
idiot! rudeboy
it takes one idiot to know another idiot :D BlackburnRovers The situation can be decribed very simply;
1) There is nothing grossly wrong if a destitute worker is willing to share a room with 10 people and work for peanuts
2) What is wrong is when a worker comes here and finds out he is getting half of what he was told or signed on, and then he is not allowed to resign or return as his passport isnt with him or for whatever reason . Misery Called Life
:lol: :lol: ha ha u totally crack me up dude :) rudeboy
does the UK government protect ppl from exploitation in uk?
i agree with u some of the employees are bad but this is not the place for BBC to come interfere. they should write about something better. something about iraq and afghanistan. how the british troops are exploiting ppl. how the red cross is exploiting ppl. they will only give food to the ppl provided they turn christian. OH MY GOD ANOTHER CONCPIRICY THE MUSLIMS have come up with :D rudeboy
yep i agree with u. it depends on who ur employee is. if he is a B(#$#(*#$# and doesnt have a concience he will then do what BR pointed out in his point 2. but this happens everywhere.
in uk & across the europe where ppl are packed in containers and are promised that they will get this and that. instead they are drugged and put on the streets to become prostitues. Wot is the British govt doing about these ppl? what is the EU doing about these ppl? hmmm nothing. why doesnt the BBC report about this? lol
shit goes on everywhere on earth. its a sad fact that arnie or no1 else has bothered to post about how ppl are exploited across the world. not only uae but even in USA, UK and Europe. Welcome to the World . Misery Called Life
Firstly it's the job of the police and the conscience of the community to protect people from exploitation.
The government is supposed to uphold the constution, if you are exploited in the UK, u can go to the police, then you can go to court, you can go to the ILO.....
The BBC has reported enough about Iraq and Afghanistan, don't derail from this topic.
Red Cross exploiting people....sheesh how low can you stoop? Go and see for yourself firsthand the good work they are doing....surely there must be a few rogues in that organization, but that does not compare to the good work thev'e done over the years! rudeboy
i dont see the community of england protecting ppl from exploitation.
if u have come into the country illegally, promised a better life but in return they turn u into a ho working on a stree would u go to the police? knowing that they could put u in a jail?
bbc has reported what exactly?
red cross was just an example. yeh they do some good work but i have heard of reports where they exploit certain ppl who are affected by the war or by the earthquake. They go to the affected ppl become christians and we will give u the food. dont know how true it is. but it would be worth while for bbc to go to the earthquake effected Pakistan and talk to the ppl there. But i guess they wont. lazy bums sitting in england and reporting about the world.
by the way welcome to the world. crap goes on. go and see what is happening in Africa u will be shocked :D rudeboy misery rudeboy kanelli
So true! kanelli
*yawn*
rudeboy, why aren't the journalists in the UAE writing about all of the problems here and why isn't the UAE govt trying to make things better here before worrying about the Palestinians, Afghans and Iraqis? :wink: rudeboy
Queen of england wishes to sleep now :D gtmash
For once I agree with you. Just because the workers are "better off" here does not mean they should be treated like herded animals. I keep hearing this nonsense excuse again and again. rudeboy
oh queen of england please do not drift from the message. i dont know why they aint writing :S go and ask them. what am i? the press society or something :S if u ask me they all lazy bum. i dont read the newspapers anyways bunch of propaganda and crap. gtmash
Snapping photos in public is already banned here, if you didn't know. Pro photographers are aware of it. I don't know the specifics, but they can use that as an excuse to prosecute you if "they" feel like it. rudeboy http://www.memorial.ecasd.k12.wi.us/Departments/LangArts/cjohnson/writingcollection/migrantworkers.htm hmmm the last one was interesting rudeboy " 6 to 8 ppl living in a caravan" :S crap. "She said workers are still frightened to come forward to report poor treatment from employers, as they are afraid of losing their jobs" is this not exploitation? "There was no refrigerator and we only had one or two toilets for 100 workers Ms Tirzite" Misery Called Life
She's Canadian! Chocoholic
Just because something has been discussed before, doesn't mean the topic is closed or over and done with. The problem still exists! It hasn't gone away, it needs constant awareness and updates. You really are a piece of work.
If you have nothing to contribute on the matter then don't. Or if you do, how about joining a group called Dubai Helping Hands, which collects supplies and distributes them to the workers! smoggie
His role on this board is to stifle discussion and act like the village idiot. I am surprised so many people answer his posts. rudeboy
one village idiot truely knows another village idiot :D Chocoholic Again, nothing to contribute, so go away already! rudeboy
well i do my bit. like i said i partially own a company that supplys the labour. i make sure that the conditions are good, food is provided and so is transport. i also make sure that old clothes from the family and friends are provided to these guys. if u want to donate plz get in touch with me IF u want to. rudeboy
problems in england still exist. i gave u 3 to 4 posts. why dont we discuss about that? hmmm?? rudeboy
ok fine. guys i m throwing a BBQ all the labours are invited. :D is this contribution? Chocoholic Because this thread is about a documentary on the conditions of workers in the UAE! If you want to ditract from that, then go and start your own thread! rudeboy
Canadian ouch je voudrais une coca cola. do the canadians have monarchy or were they owned by UK once :D rudeboy
i shall but how do i know its not deleted :D smoggie
"Dubai Master of Thread Hijackers"
You don't have the whit or the intelligence old boy! rudeboy
it takes one intelligence old boy to know another one ;)
by the way chocos if i post a thread about UK workers how do i know it wont be deleted? i mean u might not like it and u might delete it? kanelli rudeboy, you can keep stirring but you are being very transparent. It is hypocritical when you say that the BBC and UK govt should spend time working on domestic issues (and the US too from other threads) before criticizing or exposing what is happening in other countries, but then you don't expect the UAE media and govt to focus on their own domestic issues before looking elsewhere (like Palestine, Afghanistan or Iraq - what you mention most). rudeboy
dear kanelli,
thank you very much for your message. if u look at my posts i have pointed out that this goes around everywhere. i have pointed out WHY things happening in UK, USA or across Europe dont come on this Forum? why? are u telling me canada is perfect? its not. so why not post about things happening in canada? i agree that the gov should do something about it but then again is the british gov doing anything with their problems?
the fact is yes i am transparent. but arent u guys transparent when it comes to bashing dubai all the time? i mean all u do is blah blah blah about dubai and yet u dont write anything about canada or england. Y?
hyprocacy is born at home ;) BlackburnRovers Rudeboy, this is a "Dubai Forum" so its definitely right that you will read good/bad stuff about Dubai here. If are interested about s*** happenning in Canada, I am sure there are plenty of Canadian forums out there! rudeboy i have no problem with posting about dubai. as long as they post about things that go on in england too mate. this is whats called an argument. if u keep on posting about dubai. ppl will think this thing only happens in dubai. if u want to help ppl. u show them yes it happens in dubai but look here it happens here to. RobbyG
By the time RB understands that, he'll be in his coffin'.
The guys a total nutcracker. :lol: :lol: :lol:
He mixes wine with whisky, only because both drinks start with 'W'. 8) rudeboy
by the way i have seen posts here which are NOT even related to dubai. all i did was i presented my case to the argument that look it happens in everywhere. obviously some ppl didnt find it nice to know that this sh(t goes on in their back garden. rudeboy
please dont monkey around and be serious :P cant u see we are discussing here :P its because of ppl like u that threads get taken over by hijackers. chocs look at robby hes at it again like a bunny rabbit :D RobbyG You still don't understand my seriousness of it. I'm actually laughing at you because you can't separate the facts related to a 'Dubai focus Forum' and a Canadian or American Forum. You're arguments don't have any meaning to me, since I discuss other country related issues regularly on other fora than on Dubai Forums. (It must be in the name, right?!) 8) You are so full of bullcrap, its unbelievable. The bias is clearly a BIAS. Its SAD actually. The facts are that what happens in the US or UK are mostly incidents and highly outlined in the free media, since that is what America represents - freedom of speech and reporting. What is happening with low paid contruction slaves is daily denial of UAE leadership and coverup since media aren't allowed to write about UAE 'negative' - though selfimposed - labour conditions that ruin the quality of life of a certain culturally diverse groups in Dubai for instance. I heard Sjarjah does a better job with their workers, offering them better circumstances. Point is Rudeboy, that whatever happens in the UK and US, directly comes into media attention, whereas issues in Dubai are swept under the Persian rugs you buy on the backs of Indians and Paki's, for instance. Thats the denial you're also in. ;) rudeboy
robby williams is getting cheesed off. i have said enough and wasted enough time. you all are allowed to think whatever you like. i am allowed to think whatever i like :D i have the freedome of speech and i have used it. if u didnt like what i said tough luk. and dont say this forum is ONLY for dubai it has world wide topics which have been discussed about.
robby dont pull a quick one and get jiggy RobbyG ^^^Obviously, can't handle a good argument and falls back in ignorant denial^^^ Good luck son, with 'your version' of freedom. 8) rudeboy
my ignorance comes from UK :D sorry if it doesnt match the dutch one. RobbyG If your English, you should really be ashame about yourself. Hailll The Queen, you English fooker. 8) rudeboy :roll: Chocoholic For the love of god, can you two start your own thread in FC and slag each other off there! So tired of your constant bickering, you're like a couple of pathetic kids in the playground! rudeboy
i m ignoring robby williams for the rest of my remaining days on DF for comments he made on my family :( i am depressed now. RobbyG
You should read better. Trying to teach this guy how to apprach different standpoints and let him face his ignorance in his responses.
It worked, he now feels emotional. Succes for 'the depressed' few on Dubai Forums. They get the reckognition now, since Rudeboy is one of them.
And Chocs, if you don't like what you read...just don't read it. Make good use of that freedom. And I'll take mine.
Basta :idea: sage & onion What a rave :geek: :geek: :geek: :geek: :geek: :geek: :geek: :geek: rudeboy
chocos ignore the basta rhymes wanna bee he wants to get all the attention. rudeboy interestingly the same topic in UK version has been locked :( i guess some ppl just dont like hearing bad things about UK. oh well . RobbyG
Like I said dude, your comparing apples with peaches and you mix wine with whisky.
This is about Dubai and indirect relations like economic indicators etc. Not about personal issues of a copper in the States or the UK. Whatever :shock:
Who cares since this forum is dedicated to DUBAI!
sighh :lol: rudeboy can someone hear a fly buzzzzzzzzzzzzing around?? RobbyG
Damn, I thought I bugged you that bad, you weren't gonna reply to me again.
Mission failed... 8) Bora Bora
How old r u? I can hear you saying "nah nah, nah nah, nah - I told on you". Speedhump Damn, did I miss the whole show? :happy1: RobbyG Obviously yes :D:D:D RedKite I see that NO-ONE has addressed the serious points I have regarding the very bad publicity that Dubai has just received on Panorama, which will find its way to TV networks around the world.
I will repeat some of them.
[1] The film showed completely unsanitary conditions in the labour camps, which will induce diseases , such as cholera, in the stifling heat of the UAE.
If cholera breaks out.....Dubai is FINISHED as a tourism venue for years.
[2] What is to stop flies and mosquitoes from picking up diseases and infections in the open sewers shown on the film, and then transmitting those diseases to the food of people staying at 5 Star ....even 7 Star....hotels , not far away???
Since it is common practice to eat food outdoors in the grounds of Dubai's high class hotels, it is only a matter of time before health problems arise.
How do you stop a fly from travelling from an OPEN SEWER to an OPEN SANDWICH ???
Answers on a postcard, please!!
MILLIONS of POTENTIAL HOLIDAYMAKERS will realise this!!
Dubai's IMAGE as a luxurious getaway location is BEING DESTROYED BY PICTURES OF FAECES LYING ON THE GROUND AND IN UNFLUSHED TOILETS AT LABOUR CAMPS IN DUBAI!!
If you, on this forum , do not UNDERSTAND the seriousness of what I am saying , then you have NO IDEA about tourism!!
FILTH AND STOMACH AILMENTS ......are what keep MILLIONS of Europeans away from many THIRD WORLD TOURISM VENUES!!
OPEN SEWERS ARE ONLY SEEN IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!
IS THIS THE IMAGE THAT DUBAI WANTS TO PROJECT TO THE WORLD?? RedKite The title says ..."THE SH*T IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN" !!
CORRECTION.........IT SHOULD BE A PLURAL.........."THE SH*T IS GOING TO HIT THE FANS !!!............THE DUBAI FANS !!! [ as in lovers of Dubai!!] smoggie OPEN SEWERS ARE ONLY SEEN IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!
IS THIS THE IMAGE THAT DUBAI WANTS TO PROJECT TO THE WORLD??
I'm sure it is not the way that it wants to project itself but in reality, in lots of different ways it is third world. RedKite The solution is simple.
[1] The Dubai govt needs to TRAIN and appoint teams to ensure cleanliness in the labour camps.
[2] Give them plenty of CLEAN WATER ; ADEQUATE DRAINS ; PROPER TOILETS
[3] Lecture them on using the facilities properly.
[4] If diseases break out in the camps......THEY WILL SPREAD TO EVERYONE......EXPATS, SHEIKHS.....AND TOURISTS!!
Remember, you have SKY-HIGH HUMID TEMPERATURES....could not be BETTER FOR DISEASE SPREAD!!
YOU WILL ALL LOSE!!
LEARN FROM HISTORY.......AND CHOLERA OUTBREAKS IN OTHER COUNTRIES!!
LONDON HAD CHOLERA IN VICTORIAN TIMES , WHICH IS WHY AN ENGINEER CALLED BAZALGETTE BUILT A FANTASTIC BRICKED SEWERAGE SYSTEM!!
IT STILL OPERATES.
LONDON DOES NOT GET TROPICAL WEATHER!!
IF CHOLERA BREAKS OUT IN DUBAI , IT WILL SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE IN SUCH A BUILT-UP AREA IN THAT HEAT !!!
MONEY WILL BE THE LEAST OF YOUR PROBLEMS!! smoggie It would be easy to clean up the labour camps.....Not so easy to clean up the policies and attitudes that have allowed this to happen! Arab hospitality??? Do me a favour! kanelli
Exactly :D rudeboy
sucking up in the morning is not a good thing to do :D kanelli It wasn't sucking up, it was supporting the point that this is DUBAI FORUMS where... surprise surprise.... we talk about Dubai! If, for example, you want to talk about Canada and all its problems, then feel free to go here - / rudeboy
this is the general chat area where u can "generally" chat about "generally" everything :D does it say it in the rules that in the dubai forums we shall only discuss about dubai related issues??? :D
who wants to discuss about canada :S it snows there and they speak french there :D OUI madomiselle Dubai Knight Did Panorama do an expose on Canada as well? What were their findings? Its bigger than Denmark? Its cold in the winter and warm in the summer? They have funny looking deer that walk down the streets in some towns? They speak French...a bit...in places? They speak with a funny kind of American accent, eh? The X Files is filmed there so they must have aliens? Their cops ride horses and wear red jackets? Shock horror! :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight bonk
They discovered that Canadians are nice people. sage & onion
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: rudeboy
Especially the women. they are SO nice in canada, they pick up under age kids give them free food, drink and shelter. in return they want the under age kids to get jiggy with them in bed. :D RedKite Why go off the point about Canada ? Those that do are merely avoiding some home-truths about Dubai , which were exposed on Panorama. gtmash
...every under-age boy's fantasy. Ruskie Canada nice people pssh Been here almost 11 years. I think you're wrong. kanelli
Good thing you'll be leaving soon. I'm sure you'll love the people in Ajman. :D Misery Called Life
Yeaa, Tell me bout it! :) Red Chief
Why don't you like 'em? My uncle who spent 7 years next to the largest mall ever built also don't like "plastic" ppl. there.
As for Ajman I agreed with Kanelli. RedKite Stick to the point......this is about DUBAI......NOT Canada!! It is about FILTH in Dubai labour camps. DISCUSS THAT!! Speedhump Why so insistent? British politicians already admitted that these recent articles are way out of true and are embarrassing the UK by their skewed exaggeration of what they find (sh*t that's not even true...what they CAME TO LOOK FOR) RobbyG
Insistent!? A UK politician 'has' to say this because of diplomacy. They hereby distance themselves from it by openly refusing to believe the full criticism. Its merely to protect some of the trade agreements and negotiations around it. Pure hypocrisy thats what it is.
You all know that things aren't as bad as they are told to be. But if it happens to a majority of workers than we have ourselves a true issue, don't we?
Exaggeration or not. Don't you think those promotion flyers are exaggerated? Are things really that rose coloured in Dubai!?
Boy, I suddenly hear that a country like Dubai has the same high quality levels of human rights policies as the Netherlands. Unbelievable. I'm going to tell the workers tomorrow, they be glad to hear that finally!
sshhjjjj :? Ruskie
hahahaha. It's okay. I just want hot weather. uaekid
boy , you still can't tell dubai is not a country yet act like a procecuter for it's issues .boy oh boy :oops: RobbyG
Yeps, minor mistake.
I'm not perfect either Kid. It used to be a trading town, now its a city, soon its a country-within-an-emirate-within-a-group-of-emirates called the UAE.
More crying to do? There are other people out there that need more tissues than you dude. They go first. :wink: RedKite Dubai/UAE and the Netherlands are either end of the spectrum , when it comes to human rights. Amsterdam is the MOST LIBERAL place on Earth. It allows prostitutes ,controlled by the State , to sit in shop windows ; cannabis to be smoked freely in cafes etc. But , what has it achieved? When I was last there, about 10 years ago, a black guy was walking down the street , announcing " Cocaine for the brain!!" as he tried to sell cocaine openly. That is the trouble with such liberalism....SOFT DRUGS ATTRACT DRUG DEALERS AND HARDER DRUGS!! Amsterdam has become TAWDRY!! Meanwhile, Dubai has more discipline , but hypocritically allows prostitutes to work...but not in windows!! Drugs are frowned upon........WELL DONE DUBAI!! I agree with that!! WE MUST HAVE FREEDOMS....BUT WE MUST MAINTAIN A SENSE OF DECORUM AND DISCIPLINE IN SOCIETY !! RobbyG
Well, I'm no expert in drugs control, but I do know that the US of A is momentarily researching our drugs control model to review whether they can adopt certain aspects within their moral and christian limits. Because they see that hard drugs is way harder to control without a legalized and thus a controllable soft drugs regulatory system.
In Holland our soft drugs cafés are inspected without announcement and if you (the owner) violate the soft drug rules (possession or stock related) you get fined. IF they find out that same coffeeshop (thats what they are called here) is dealing harddrugs or has those dealers in their premises, they are closed immediately by SWAT-like narcotic teams.
So, by controlling the soft drugs sector in Holland they have a direct eye on the harddrugs sector since they get no chance of settling down. The narcotic brigades are constantly scanning undercover for that kind of practices. But indeed, in busy Amsterdam there are guys who offer tourists some coke or speed. Those guys are not the big dealers. That are puppies and low lifes that sell peppermint and washing powder mixed with speed or something. That is not what narcotic brigades are for. Police handles them.
There are some issues of course. Every large city has them. XTC (MDMA partydrug) was a big problem in the partyscene in Holland. Thats why they introduced the narcotics teams working together with import nation US of A, who gets a lot of 'our XTC product' between the borders. The results are phenominal. Greatest catches ever. Snow
Frowned upon??? It is minimum 4 years in prison if caught smoking only one joint... Speedhump
This is 100 percent normal in their home country, it's what they are used to. You get toilets in older shopping malls here that are no better cleanliness-wise. For god's sake office workers in Singapore have been known to get up and stand (squat) on toilet seats in office blocks because they don't even like sitting while they sh*t. People from the regions we are discussing (Subcontinent and Asia) are very comfortable squatting instead of sitting in general. It's how they live. You just cannot use your own standards to judge how others live.

There has been a huge problem in Dubai with sewage disposal. I am sure you would have read about it. The Municipality has allowed huge building development and seen the massive increase in the population while doing nothing about increasing sewage processing plants to cope. I can't say with certainty if that's why these workers were not getting their sewage tanks emptied though. For your guidance the villas in my area (which is not low rent but just a little older than some developments) were reliant on sewage tanks until just last year (although the landlord always made sure they were emptied timely).

This happens when it rains, the streets also flood although I think not so much this year. One of the newer expats housing developments was also engulfed by sewage lakes last year during the rains, crap was floating in living rooms. This is just par for the course I'm afraid, it gets reported in the newspapers (the workers troubles), it is NOT possible for anyone to brush it under the carpet, companies have to deal with it, so this exposé is nothing of the sort.

and what... blame Dubai for the actions of corrupt 'slavers' in the Subcontinent which is were this all hapens, before they even come to the UAE?

I'm looking for this on the Internet. I want to see it for myself. Most of the people talking here didn't even see it.
With regard to general cleanliness, desertdude already spelled out very clearly that nice labour camps are very quickly trashed by the workers who have very low standards of hygene and social customs, which they have brought from their village back home. He has been living here for donkey's years and also told you in this or another similar thread (which you all read, I have no doubt) that he has first hand experience of labour camps. Who are you all to just ignore what he says?
There is some knife crime in the UK, it doesn't mean every kid carries a knife although if you read the Daily Mail newspaper you would believe that there is open warfare on every city street in the UK. There are some bad practises in Dubai. Some. UK media are ust digging hard to find it and portraying it as endemic which it really isn't, just like they are trying to portray every British expat they 'find' as rich, lazy, fat and drunk, which is in actual fact a total lie. The fiction being that this is the norm, not that some people like it exist, as they do the world over.
I really am finished commenting on these UK media excesses now. worldguy
You missed the big picture. We are all fighting for free will. Yes they make more money, but their is a diff in cost of living. In India the cost of living is much lower, specially in villages and thus these guys will save from $3 that they would earn a day. Having said that, there are more workers from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and some of them do not even speak languages understood by Europeans, Indians, Pakistanis or Arabs.
At least I am fighting for their right to go home once a year. Right to have decent accomodation, eatable food, decent sleeping bed. These people are poor and need to survive. Their weakness is being exploited. People are making profit from their need to survive.
The other thing that baffles me is their ability to build. With no education, these people have learnt the art and perfected it. Most of the UAE infrastructure is fab and comparable to Western countries. These people have built the same as Western world, but without any education or training. I just do not get this point.
The new Dubai clearly reflects that education is just not imparted through right medium, there will be exception to the rule. But, this exception deserves a salute. kanelli They should teach the rules for the level of cleanliness they expect in the camps and then provide proper cleaning services. In Singapore bathrooms there are signs that tell people not to squat on the seats for hygiene reasons, and most bathrooms contain both types of toilets, so people can use the kind they prefer. Busy public women's bathrooms that don't have a person cleaning every hour can be a disaster, so I can only imagine what a busy men's bathroom looks like if it only gets cleaned once a day, if that! Gak! Speedhump People will revert to their normal mode of behaviour when left with a large number of their countrymen. There is no teaching them. And cleaning goes no way towards repairing wilful damage or large scale neglect. However it 's quite possible than the cleaning is not good enough also, I grant you. It must be dismaying for cleaners to face what they have to face daily cleaning up the mess of uneducated (I think we have to say uncivilised) people. Darn, though I was finished! ;) RobbyG
Are you familiar with torrent downloads? Do you have a torrent client like Utorrent or bittorrent?
If so, I can hand you the link of the Panorama programme Speedhump no need ;) RedKite Speedie, I know there are squat toilets in many parts of the world......including a fine city like Paris. I have NO problem with them. But they MUST FLUSH properly and be clean, and sewage systems need to be clear ...not spill filth to the surface.. You have 110 degrees Fahrenheit in Dubai ....and HUMIDITY. It is IDEAL FOR FLIES, MOSQUITOES ..........AND CHOLERA!! If disease hits 5 STAR HOTELS.....DUBAI IS FINISHED!! LECTURE THE ASIAN WORKERS!! TRAIN THEM IN CLEANLINESS !! BUT DON'T BLAME THEM IF THEIR TOILETS DO NOT HAVE WATER!! RobbyG
RedKite is right!
Government can put up a thousand reports with a 10.000 dirham fine on it, but if that is the burden a construction company has to carry for neglecting proper sanitary conditions in Dubai, they are seriously not gonna do anything about it!!!
The toilet block costs more that that fine!
The government should ENFORCE this way harder and put the company out of work for instance! No participation to new projects etcetera etc.
The companies are responsible for proper amenities, but if that lacks that Government must enforce them one way or the other!
No way around that. RedKite Most people seem to forget that FLIES KNOW NO BOUNDARIES. They will descend on all this filth and disease and transport it to the 5 star hotels. How do you keep a fly off your sandwich all the time, as you sit by a pool in luxurious surroundings? Dubai needs to treat these labour camps seriously and treat all its sewage properly. Where does it end up? Is untreated sewage being pumped into the Arabian Gulf? If so , it will end up becalmed within the Palms . That will be nice for the millionaire property owners!! I suppose that if it floats out to the WORLD , the latter could be called the TURD WORLD , rather like an Irishman pronounces Third World !! That would be ironic!! RobbyG
Now this a nice display of words RK.
There was this documentary about Senegal and boatrefugees that head out for Spain since there was work for them. They haven't heard of sanitary conditions there in Senegal, so they all dump their excrement right on the beaches! Oyy that smells. Reporter picked up a hand of sand and said 'smell it' !? Two people nearly crumbled from sand filled with fecies!
That is whats happens if Dubai doesn't act quickly to get migrant workers a decent toilet flush and disposal facility for our/their necessary daily dumps :wink: sage & onion
Not all of the Labour Facilities are as described. RobbyG
Of course not! Only the one we saw on Panorama was....
The point is, they are dumping trucks in the floodcanals, so the water is already ful of chemicals and bacteria levels, not healthy to man. Plus, I exxagerated the fact that beaches could look like the Senagalese ones if they don't build a new disposal facility soon (or increase its throughput).
Thats all I'm saying. Don't take it too serious. I was pointing out an outcome of neglect. sage & onion
Again this is the exception and not the rule, the dumping that has been going on is carried out illegally by the tanker drivers, this is not from the Authorities. RobbyG
Now you make me look foolish. Surely I know that :lol:
But its the government who should act on matters that the private sector can't solve. Or at least participate in to make sure the beaches and water/sanitary qualities are within reasonable limits.
Neglect doesn't solve the issue Sage.
edit: How many trucks were lining up before the disposal facility at one point? Thats what I mean...the lack of capacity is a government/private sector issue that needs improvement. If not, the result is neglect. sage & onion
The Government has acted and is acting, more facilities are being introduced, the problem was the Tanker Drivers being greedy, believe me they charge an arm and a leg to empty a sewage holding tank, more than enought to cover a whole day waiting in line. RobbyG That is new info for me. I have to revise my thought process ;) I take your word for it then. sage & onion
Thats cool, and it is the actual situation. Speedhump
The problem was simply the Government not building more sewage treatmnt plants when they first saw the phenominal increase in population in Dubai, starting a few years ago. One sewage plant for a city this size was always going to lead to disaser. There has actually been no explanation given.
The sewage truck queue was simply staggering a its height, you could see its headlights at night stretching down roads all around you when you travelled Academic City way. dee7o
Dude it's not about whether 700 dhs is worth it for them. That is not the point. They do hard and dangerous work. Everywhere in the developed world, such occupations are very well compensated in both cash and benefits. People here keep saying if we paid them more we wouldn't have been able to build this city. well...no....because you see.....the developed world mentioned above.....continues to ummm......be developed. Point is, pay them properly by Dubai standards not Bangladesh or Nepal standards. That's the only way this can be fair. It's not the worker's pay that inflated real estate prices in Dubai. It was the influx of greedy investors and stupid speculators who put combined down payments on 6 apartments at a time when their capital could not even pay for one. There is no reason to continue to underpay these workers other than greed and the only way to control this would be to enforce minimum wages and require all employees to be paid by check on the 1st of each month.
I know yours is an old post. I just wanted to comment on it.
Regarding the whole sewage situation, I mean come on for god's sake. If the country treated all the people who became sick because of these sewage situations instead of sending them back to their own countries, they would certainly care a lot more about this problem. And saying that the government has acted is acting is not a response because these problems have been ongoing for 20 or so years so why so late? canuckbid Hello everyone. I never read through the whole post but don't these people know about machines that can turn waste water into drinking water? I know the Canadian military has them. Portable Units about the size of a container. I would think they would work good for temporary job sites. The investor would not have to spend as much to keep sanitary conditions. Happy employee's do good work. Miserable peope do shoddy work and will take shortcuts. Sounds like the country needs a system like our WCB (worker's compensation board) Certain standards have to be meet or the job gets shut down. mckenzie hahahahhahahahah good point Pimpin80 I am amazed at how some people pretend to care about how these workers are treated without understanding the deeper implications and realities that makes this poor treatment possible. I love when expats (mostly brits by the way) start whining about how the indian workers are underpaid and overworked, how they are miserable, blablabla Reality check: The british nation is and has always been the most imperialistic nation, having shed the blood of millions and exploited millions more for centuries (including India itself!) The argument that says developped nations pay people well and remain developed doesnt stand: All G8 countries were built on the back on slavery and exploitation, that is a known fact. It's very easy to criticize others when you drive a 2009 Range Rover and live in a 2000000 dirham villa paid by your employer, but people need to understand that for every person that lives well and is paid well, hundreds will suffer and starve. The reality is that western people don't care about poverty or abuse, they just don't want it shoved in their faces. If you feel so concerned about the indian workers conditions, why don't you give up your luxury accomodation and join them in these camps? One thing I have always found appalling about the west is how the governments screw weaker nations out of their ressources and exploit them, yet their populations close their eyes and benefit from this, only to scream scandal when another country does the same. Sorry if I have offended anyone but people need to wake up and realize that the only way these people get treated better is if we all accept to drop our standards of living dramatically. Anyone here cares to take their monthly salary from 25000 dirhams to 2000 dirhams for the "cause"? Didn't think so... RobbyG
This is not the solution to the problem. I'll keep it short to explain why:
1. Weaker nations need income the gain the same living standards as our Western nations. Trade for resources is actually a good thing, but only if the government of the weaker nations eliminates corruption in its top veins.
2. Giving away half of your salary doesn't improve the situation of labour camps. You can try to spread the wealth, but it eventually comes down to education and efforts in recognising some of the problems inherent to fast growth (pollution, neglect, human rights, wages, building standards, infrastructure etc. etc.) that need to be addressed.
What you suggest will work for some of the individuals, but not for the total cause. Its the root that needs addressing. Not putting the blame on the ones that address them. :wink: Speedhump I like the large type for the economically blind to read easily! RobbyG Haha, it wasn't on purpose though. I just don't know why it happened and I can't change it either, since everything is per usual.... HELP ;) sage & onion
Seems to have issues with some of you Brits out there :D Snow
Trade for resources is good, as long as there are more local companies profiting from those resources than the foreign companies that are coming in. This is as important to a country's wealth and standard of living as not having a corrupt government. Speedhump
Moronic. Corruption skims off all the cream and leaves the local farmers, miners, etc. with nothing. It's the biggest nail in the coffin of Africa. Don't write such rubbish.
Also if a nation can't exploit its resources then it's pure economics that someone else will come and buy them up and that nation will be grateful for the income. Money is nationless now, countries practically all own bits of each other. Your view is simplistic and childish, and ignores the basic forces at work. Speedhump It's also the corrupt governments that are selling off resources wholesale. It's corruption that is killing Africa. Wake up. sage & onion
Amen RedKite True about African corruption. Some of its leaders live in fantastic palaces and skim off the international aid and even charity money headed for their country. I read of several instances where African leaders are reportedly hiding millions of pounds in secretive Swiss bank accounts. On that point, I bet that THOUSANDS hide their money in places like Switzerland and Liechtenstein ......and then drop dead....without ANYONE knowing it is there!! I'd love to know how much money Switzerland and Liechtenstein have made that way.........BILLIONS, I bet !!! Rich greedy men will hoard Millions without thinking HOW SHORT their own lives are!! For example, how many have hoarded and hidden millions in their Sixties and Seventies.........almost thinking they will live forever.......then they drop dead within five years!! During the war, Nazi officers looted and hid millions of pounds worth of gold, money and artwork , especially from rich Jews, and hid it in Switzerland.......then within a year or two, the Nazi officer was shot dead himself!! Who REALLY GAINED?? The cowardly Swiss Government, of course, that sat there like a gutless PARASITE , hoarding looted wealth , PRETENDING to be "Innocent" and neutral.....but KNOWING that the wealth it was hiding WAS STOLEN FROM MURDERED INNOCENTS!! It has also always known that the thieves themselves would die without leaving a track for others to trace the looted goods!! The thieves are as guilty as hell......BUT SO IS THE "GOODY, GOODY" PARTNER IN CRIME.......THE SWISS GOVERNMENT!! RedKite I have noticed that this thread has gone from C*ap in Dubai.......to greater C*ap in Switzerland!! Seriously though. Dubai MUST clean up its labour camps and provide 3rd World workers with EDUCATION IN CLEANLINESS......and WATER........and GOOD ADEQUATE DRAINS!! Then Dubai......instead of building the tallest tower in the world and the biggest hotel.......and the biggest theme park........NEEDS TO BUILD THE BIGGEST SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT IN THE WORLD!! Why does not Dubai treat all this human sewage ........take it to a cordoned off desert region, spread it all over the sand , plough it in from time to time, then pipe in water to irrigate that desert area ? It could turn it into a plantation, by planting palm trees in rows and carting the treated human sewage in trucks in between the rows . With irrigation.....those PALMS WOULD REALLY GROW!!



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