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HELP; Victim of black points system


Guiltydriver Hi all, Please don't kill me because of that, but i'm guilty as hell. i know and i need your help and advice. I've been in dubai for around 3 years, with a traffic offense every now and then. 2008 i got zero black points. Had a very rough 2 weeks at work, had to go to very early meetings and got caught by radar with speed 60km above the limit, TWICE. So now i ended up with 2 violaitons, each 1000 dhms, and 24 black point. Also my car should be confiscated / impounded for 60 days (30 for each offence) I was able to pay the first one online, but the second one is highlighted in red and it mentions i MUST go to the traffic department to pay it. Did anyone had similar experience? Again i'm sorry, i know i'm guilty, so please don't trash me, but try to help me, i'll never do this again. I am an old forum member, but i don't want to say who i am because i'm ashamed of what i did. If anyone has experience with this, please tell me. Or if you know anyone can help. I'm afraid that they might take my license or go to jail. Thank you in advance and stay safe
Chocoholic hmmm not much you can do but suck it up, pay the fines, hand your car in and see if they ban you unfortunately. Guiltydriver But... i'll not be able to survive without a license :( I know i'm guilty, thats why i'll suck it up and pay the hard earned money that is i'm putting down the drain :'( really.... i feel like crying I just don't want them to take my license. ahamed Hey guilty,
Feel sorry for you bro/Sis whoever you are.
Upon recieving 24 black points, as what i have heard from the traffic officials & read in papers., your lisence will be cancelled/impounded for 1 year, during which you will not be allowed to drive. If repeated the second time (from the completetion of the 1st year), your lisence will be cancelled permanently. To apply for a driving lisence again, you wil have to get a clearence letter from the traffic prosecution & start from the scratch again. This will include 40 classes & all the tests and lectures you have attended. At the time of your road test, 2 or more inspectors (probably 3 of them) will be with you to take your final test, after which they will judge your eligibility. (this is in case, if you repeat the same offence again & accumulate 24 black points)
EDIT: [well many of you might oppose or disagree with my above idea, but the traffic department publishes different rules, as official rules, and practise something different, this is what i know from a few years of dealing with the cops. C'mon how the hell can you be fined for having your sunroof open? Dont wonder, it did happen]
Concerning your fine, that you are not able to pay and is marked in red (called hajz muroori) you will be required to settle the fines in the fines section in muroor (traffic dept) (I think its the black glass door).
Once done, they will tell you if your lisence will be impounded or if your vehicle will be impounded. In your case i think its both!
You will be running from the blue door (bab al azrak), the black door (bab al aswad) & then the to the Captain's office to get his signature, which he proudly does with a green inked pen.
Once all the formailities are done & the paper work is done, schedule immediately to deliver your car to the confiscation center either behind tasjeel (qusais) or in the muroor itself (in quisais opposite to lulu hypermarket). You will be given the reciept of the vehicle delivery & the expected date of return. I am unsure about your lisence though.
Incase your vehicle is impounded, make sure you collect the vehicle the same day as mentioned (even if it is a friday, as they are working, last friday i was in muroor on friday to collect a vehicle) else you will be fined 50 or 100 AED for over stay.
Not sure if captain saif or captain mohamed almas would take your plead. You can try to get on your knees though.
Best of luck. And if you need guidance with the doors to run in between, post back.
Oh yeah make sure you get the CID Clearence from muroor (its a small cabin in the entrance of the fine section, and a nice arab lady will help you out quickly, she is very nice and kind)
Ciao!
UPDATE: You will be required to deposit the car owner's lisence & or ID Card until you get your car in the confiscation center. Can collect it once the car is confiscated and is in the shed, or later when you collect your car back! kanelli Ouch! Guess it pays to set the alarm clock and drive to work with the correct speed limit, with the added benefit of lessening the risk of killing people on the way there. I'm shocked and pleased that the Dubai police actually do punish people for serious speeding. Chocoholic Hmmm the speed cameras are buggers at the moment. :shock: I've been caught a couple of times, sadly though they were on stretches of road where the limit wasn't clear - damn it. I haven't got any black points though. I guess they start adding those, if you're ridiculously over the limit. I had my car impounded for 15 days. But I put it in before I went on holiday, so no major hassles there. It wasn't a terrible process to get it all sorted. ahamed Kaneli, Was up... Apart from speeding, In an event of drink and drive, you will be happily spending three months of jail, with 20,000 Dhs fine & then deportation. And with quite good vaasta, you can only stop the deportation part of the story. Ah UPDATE: You will now be able to purchase your confiscation days. That will be 100 AED Perday. If your car is confiscated for 2 months, you will be paying 6000/- Del
ahamed
Hhahaahahahahahah !boy ahamed My personal experience running between the doors in traffid dept was: I got a fine for installing a loud after market exhaust in 2007, which was then 100 Dirhams. A new rule was pushed out in early 2008 for confiscating cars emitting loud noise. And since my car's registration was yet to get over in july 2008, the cops concluded that we go by the new law, which is confiscating the cars. With the help of a friend, we sorted out the no. of days from 30 down to 7 days. And from seven days down to 3 days. And then again, we collected it back under 2 days. Did this during the weekend, so dint really miss my car then !

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Chocoholic n you still pay instead of confiscation? Thought they stopped that! I wasn't able to do it. Not sure about the DUI either, they say that, but hardly anyone gets 3 months. Know I guy who was well ratted, he got busted and flicked the finger, he did a week, fined 10,000 Dhs and let go. Guiltydriver Exactly. Guys, this is the help i need from you... how to do that??? how to get less time, no confiscation of my driving license and may be pay more of my hard earned money during this financial crisis... this is a huge punishment, but it won't stop my life, but taking my car and license... WILL. Ahmad, thank you alot for the extreme details, i'll pm you and see how can i get some less sentence like you did... Any idea how to do that? less time, no confiscation of the license. ive been a good boy driving around for 3 years now.. and in one damn week all my life would be on hold because of me waking up late :( please help Chocoholic They WILL take your car - no doubt about it. Licence don't know. It might depend who you see on the day and what mood they're in. ahamed well they did stop it, now started it again for covering up rising costs :lol: They do ground your vehicle for more than 3 months incase of serious offences and multiple instances of same. I stopped driving rash & fast, until and unless someone offers for a race or just to choke out carbon & warm up tyres for a long drive. Apart from that, the traffic pattern has changed, there are variations in most of the conjested roads..seems to be getting better.. so i am enjoying driving at norm speed these days! No fines, no headaches. sage & onion
You will have to go and pay the fine and take the consequences, they do have taxi's in town so you will be able to get around. Chocoholic
Yeah I think I need to do the same and relax behind the wheel, go with the flow and take it easy. BUT it's hard! I just wanna get from A to B asafp. ahamed Sage, i love your answers! I love you man! Hahahahahahaah ahamed Guilty, Do you speak arabic? iF you speak arabic like a parrot & can wear a hagaal' gatra & a nice tidy kandora..consider your job done then. Dubai Knight We are not the Judge and Jury, you are in the hands of Inspector Al Knacker of the Car Yard. Its normally black and white here: You do the crime, you do the time. Or rather your car does. They don't even wash it before you get it back! :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight
sage & onion
True enough :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Chocoholic
Yeah what's up with that man! Mine was a disaster when I got it back, and just trying to get it out the sand was a nightmare. sage & onion
Are you serious?, did you have your vehicle impounded?, details please. Chocoholic Ran a red light - that damn junction on Wasl road. Actually it was a ripe orange! sage & onion
How long did they keep your vehicle for?, I love the "Ripe Orange" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Chocoholic 15 days and an 800 Dhs fine - boohoo kanelli Chocs, you are such a bad-ass! I used to think you were so innocent, but you got your car impounded! :P Chocoholic But the best bit - oh this is great. Before I gave my car for impounding, I was out shopping for shoes, ended up buying a new car, instead of shoes, it's a woman thing - don't ask! So when I went to get the new car, the sales people took my old car, dropped it off at the pound, then registered the new car and tadaaaaa not without a car! THen I sold my old car to a friend. busa Or you could go and rent a car before your licence goes by by ahamed
busa, its risky to drive a rent a car without your permit in your wallet. Especially if it is confiscated. gtmash It is painfully easy to avoid speeding tickets and parking fines. I find it hilarious when people rack up thousands worth in tickets and then keep whining about them. However, this dude managed to screw himself with only 2 offences, which is a bit disconcerting. sage & onion
But surely with 24 black points you have a 6 months ban???????? Chocoholic I don't have ANY black points surprisingly enough. Not according to the website anyway. Just checked under my licence number as well as the car, nope no black points. sage & onion
Lucky you quatroporte it happened with someone I know with a similar issue... two tickets, 24 blackpoints... car got impounded and his driving licensee for one year!!!!.. well, he was one of those very first victims of this system after 3 days of it being enforced... you may get lucky if you go and try speaking to them... sometimes they do indeed give away exceptions. ahamed
thats when they are in a good mood! + you need to look either a sad soul, or someone with high profile to convince them that you dint do it intentionally. Seriously, they are so moody.. Guiltydriver well, this what i'll try to do. these new radars are really ..... grr... no i should blame myself. what i hate is after few years in dubai with nearly clean record except couple of radars, just in one week i get these 2 radars on the very high end. damn... i hate traveling outside dubai "it was emirates road" anyway, will keep you guys updated. drive safe all, and if you bumped by someone who knows someone who knows someone in the traffic department and can help, i'll really appreciate it. cheers all ahamed guilty, just a piece of advice, invest in a radar detector and be on the safe side! i will try to get hold of the guy who accompanied me to deira muroor many times to get my car bailed out. best of luck Chocoholic Well to be hones, just use your cruise control. You know very well that radars in a 120km zone are set at 140km, so obviously if you go over that then you're going to get busted. K-Dog I had a fender bender in Sharjah a few weeks ago where I was at fault. When I check Dubai Police's website, its highlighted in red. It doesn't show any points or the amount just says can't be paid online. What does it mean?What will happen if I go to the poilice station. Do I have to go Sharjah Police? ahamed
The red highlight means your car has to be impounded or is rather blocked in their system.
If you were issued a fine from sharjah, you will have to visit the sharjah traffic dept. You can pay the fine in dubai or sharjah. Not sure if they will impound your vehicle in sharjah or dubai. But believe me, Dubai is much better! K-Dog Impound it for a minor fender bender? Come on, are you serious? It was a rental vehicle to begin with. ahamed
RED HIGHLIGHT means your vehicle is blocked in their system. You cannot renew the registration, transfer the vehicle's ownership etc..
a Probability that it might be a case of confiscation, which was in my case (the red highlight with a fine of 110AED)
Why dont you call the traffic dept & inquire about this? Or just pass by the traffic dept. funkygibbon hey guys, don't mean to hijack the thread, but what is the deal with cars that are overdue registration? say, for example, if someone had not yet re-registered their car and got some form of ticket, is there any specific punishment for driving an unregistered (and therefore un-insured car) or would you just pay the fine associate with the ticket you got? there is a guy in the office who drove his car for months unregistered / uninsured then when he went to renew registration no questions were asked. my car is up for re-registering this week but if i didn't bother, would i get into any trouble from the police? ahamed
Even if your registration expired, you have a months grace period, hence the insurance being for 13 months.
If you register your car after 1 months grace period, you will be paying the late renewal fee. quatroporte
when you say he was driving the car UN-Registered do you mean he was driving the car without plate numbers?!?!?!?!? :shock:
in the case of re-registration, I drove my car for 3 years without re-registration since I bought it brand new... the reason was the car is registered under my dad's name (to save insurance) however, he got into a law suite against his sponsor which took more than three years in courts and since then I could never re-register my car.
police used to stop me many many times, and they always used to give me a 150AED fine or let me go when I tell them the story!!! :roll:
if for some reason you can't re-register your car, make sure it has a valid insurance...
its a suicide to drive a car without insurance ahamed
You said it ! funkygibbon but surely if you've not registered your car you can't insure it? ahmeed80 i've got a fine yesterday from shj traffic police against a minor accident.Today i checked it on the dubaipolice website and its highlighted in Red saying i cant pay it and need to contact the traffic department.I got fine on my driving license. Is this a serious situation for me? sage & onion
It's not serious you just have to go and pay it, it seems they also now give some black points if your involved in an accident and it is judged to be your fault. You must accumalate 24 black points for a ban. arniegang just a thought If for example this was me. I have 2 driving licences, one UAE and my English one. So, if i were to have my UAE licence confiscated, in theory what would stop me having a rental car using my UK licence like any other tourist?? quatroporte
you can insure your car for as many years without having the registration renewed... Red Chief
You have to pay during 30 days, then penalty for each another month. The problem for me was that I had to go to the SHJ central road police station (Al Maroor? It's rather far away... ) and waste an hour in line together with dirty Hurry's friends after the similar case. ahamed
Hey i dint know that.. can you do it with the local insurance companies like al sagr or buheira insurance?? any idea? ahamed
Well if you are on a tourist visa & have your UK Lisence with you and all the paper work is valid to consider it IDL, then you may :)
I doubt if this is a possibility with someone holding dual driving lisence & if having a residence/employment visa arniegang
I sorta agree mate but.................. when you are pulled or checked the police never ask for a passport let alone checking your visa.
Also if you had a speeding fine in a hire car, the fine goes too the rental company and they would ask you to pay the fine. ahamed
Thats very right.
i was stating about the Dual Lisence issue, incase you got pulled over for a traffic offense, [hard-shoulder, wrong line changing etc] rather than a radar, which obviously goes to on the car. Red Chief
But rental company always does. They won't give you a car with resident visa in your passport and national lisense... arniegang
I have rented a car many times with residency
a/ they only want a copy of the back page showing picture and passport number ( my residency stamp is in the middle of my passport)
and
b/they only require a copy of the card licence in my case UK
When the police pull you over and i have been once, the police only asked for my licence and insurance.
If i were in a hire car he would ask for my licence - a UK one and a copy of the rental agreement. Police do not ask for passorts for minor motoring offences.
Ok so here is my current situation. My residency visa expired in Sept 2008 and i have not re-newed it. My UAE driving licence expires in another 7 years. I sold my car last month.
When i return to dubai in March and i need to hire a car, which driving licence do i produce my UAE one or my UK one ???? ahamed if returning on a residency/employement visa, i say UAE License sage & onion
I would be interested to know how you got a UAE one. Guiltydriver Ok, Arniegang, If you came back without residancy, you can use either the UAE one of the UK one. If you came on Residancy visa, they "by law" you should use the UAE one. Back to my problem, I have checked today and now i got 3 tickets, last one was sunday when i posted and knew about this issue. The 3 fines are in the morning going to work in Umm Suqqim road, which is the one between Al Khail road and Emirates road that connects them on the Arabian ranches octupus flyover. It turned out that this road speed is 80kph and i may have been doing 140 thinking it is 120kph road. and as the new radars doesn't flash in the morning, i only knew about it after 2 weeks when i did all the 3 offences. I'll go there and check if there is a sign saying it is 80 or not, and then will go to the traffic department on Saturday if i got contacts or not and try my best with the chief. wish me luck dresden ^ As far as I know (from a fellow canadian friend), walk into a police station and they give you some paper work to fill out and then Voila! --> This was a couple years back, may have changed. arniegang
dohh is this a serious question Sage ?
I had a 3 year investors Visa, that entitled me to the same benefits as every other expat. sage & onion
Sorry m8 I had forgoten that, anyways if you are no longer holding that visa you do realise that it is actually illegal to drive here with the domestic licence freeneasy1 I got fine for jumping red signal yesterday and the police was not on the spot.While checking today online, noticed that only the fine amount is mentioned and no black points.Does it mean am not awarded any black point? Plus the vehicle will be impounded for 15 days.Should i go to the traffic department and to hand over them my car for 15 days? or they will take it at the time of renewal? And what is the time limit for paying the fines? Is there any penalty if pay after due date? arniegang
Yea i know mate, thats why im gonna hire a car using my UK licence. sage & onion
Good stuff m8 Dubai Knight You can actually come here with your UK licence and then pay 100Dhs and get a temporary UAE one. Its valid for 30 days and allows you to drive UAE privately owned vehicles on a Visit Visa. 8) 8) 8) Knight freeneasy1
Please anybody can help me? sage & onion
Go to the Police station and face the music, keep a sharp eye out for traffic lights on the way. BTW red = STOP arniegang
and dont forget i know the Reg no of Jeepy
I will be watching you
:P Dubai Knight
Didn't you know I bought license plate No.1?
There was this rather sad and hang-dog looking local dude with a beard sitting by the kerb in Madinat with a begging bowl in his hand and I took it off him for 5Dhs. Had to unscrew it from a nice white Mercedes G-Wagon just before the Bailiff winched it on the back of the recovery truck...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight freeneasy1
:cry: When i should visit the police station?Can i go while renewing the registration which is due in June-2009 or i need to hand over the car immediately? ahamed immediately.. although you will be left with no car then! freeneasy1
Ahamed u've enough informations,tell me if i can pay the fine later or it should be deposited while handing over the Car? And the car is not registered on my name, so who will get the black points, me or the owner?
And which police station i must visit or i can go to anyone near around me? sage & onion
You will have to pay the fine immediately and hand over the car, the black points will be on your licence if you admit to the offense.
Traffic Police in Al Quoz just after Interchange 4 on right side. ahamed as sage said! Now, Dont wait until the expiry of the registration. If Bur Dubai Traffic dept is not an option, then Deira Traffic department, opposite to Airport Terminal 2 (towards the ramada hotel) would be the place to go. How do you know that your car is to be confiscated. Is it highlighted in red when you check the fine online? freeneasy1
Yes its highlighted in Red and stated that vehicle wanted for impounding.I am very much worried.Its a very bad start of new year. :cry: sage & onion
The quicker you get it over with the better, if you are stopped by the police for a simple check they can create a problem for you. funkygibbon freeneasy, don't worry about it. just surrender the car to the impound when you renew your registration, and maybe book your annual holiday out of dubai to begin a couple of days later. my car was due to be impounded for 7 days, and someone drove into the back of me a month or two later, then a few months after that i nudged someone at 5mph at traffic lights. both times the police were called, and nothing was said. i was also pulled over at a random road block / check point en-route to hatta one day and no issues. then when i went to renew registration they took the car off me. but yeh, red traffic lights aren't lights you want to be jumping in Dubai. funkygibbon by the way, did someone say you can buy out your confiscation days now? for something like 100dhs per day, so if car is due to be impounded for 5 days you pay them 500dhs and don't need to bother with them impounding your car? is that fact, or just hearsay? ahamed not a hear say, its a fact. Recently, got a car back after paying 1510 (2 weeks actually) freeneasy1
m very ashamed of jumping the red light, i still wonder how could i do that.
I dont want to hand over my car right now coz i need it for next couple of weeks.Thank you Funky for sharing ur experience and others for their suggestions.What bout the black points? It will be given when i surrender the car or its already awarded and counted on my license? ahamed Search using your lisence number, car owners's lisence number & car number plate @ sage & onion
I really have to know where and when you are on the road :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ahamed
Why sage? sage & onion
Judging by the amount of money you pay in fines and to get your car back you must be driving very fast when you shoot dem red lights :!: :lol: :!: :lol: :!: :lol: rudeboy how does the black points thing work exactly?? i mostly drive cars which are not registered under my name. so if i get a speeding ticket do i get the black point or does the person whose name the car is registered under. plz explain? ahamed
Nah, i dont drive fast these days.. nah..not at all .. am done with my road rash / road rage.. am sick..believe me ..
my car was only confiscated couple of times for carrying out un authorized modifications. And yeah i have paid a plenty of fines.. sheesh .. i feel ashamed of myself..
thanks sage, for bring that human in me to realization.. :shock:
@rude .. the person under whose name the car is registered gets the black point. rudeboy [quote="ahamed"]
cool am in the safe then :D sage & onion
A reformed man, nice to see :lol: freakguy12 Hi, I have a fine when checked in the dubaipolice website but highlighed in red saying the description as Light vehicle lane discipline, but cannot be paid online. It need the license of the person who drove the car that time. What should I do now? Where should I go and pay the fine. Is it in the Bur Dubai Traffic department next to the mall of the emirates or somewhere else? Pls respond. shanemcgyver I have a similar problem, I was fined 200 dhs and it is highlighted in red so I need to go to the police station, the sad thing is the date I was fined and the offense is really way out? you know why? I was out of the country and the offense is " lane changing discipline" which I don't do coz my habit is I always give signal even if nobody's behind me. My car was just park behind our building which is a free parking, its rediculous isnt it? How come they fined me like that? anyway, I can show them my passport. syndicated_mind
it seems that you are not learning your lessons from your past mistakes of having traffic violations...you should not be having a driving license after all and banned from having a driving license...drivers like you can cause others' life, my advise for you quit driving before dangering others



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