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Greedy, greedy, greedy


sauron I'm in the car this morning, on the way to earn another crust, and I'm listening to that AWFUL Emirates Bank ad on the radio. You know, the one that goes: 'Darling, our b!!@**d thieving landlord is putting up our rent by 50%. ' 'Don't worry darling, we can open an options account - pay in 12 installments at a 'low' rate of interest.' Oh happy days! Then I'm reading the Gulf News story about certain schools in Dubai hiking their fees by up to 70%. I mean, is this what it's coming to? Taking out loans, getting even deeper in debt to pay for even your basic needs here? And before there is a flood of 'if you don't like it, p#@! off' from you locals out there, I know that, contrary to popular belief, you are not all Sheikh Yamonies. And a lot of you guys have big families and big houses - how do you manage? Are you finding it more and more difficult to make ends meet? :roll:
Bleakus well im not gonna use that phrase, but the cost of schools now are outragous. I dont know why this is happening and i have raised this issue as a local to the commitee to at least revise the increasing cost of schools over the last 6 years. the only people who can stop this issue before it gets out of hand, even as a local, i might have problems sending my kids to these schools. I didnt get the last part of the sentence that you mentioned "ends meet"? can you repeat it in another way for me please? mema
Yes we are all suffering on different levels..i know local families who r really in a bad conditions..n yet u will always have the option to "p#@! off' but where do local go from here.
so next time we local tell u to "p#@! off' don't take as an insult just take the advice n leave :roll: . sauron I didnt get the last part of the sentence that you mentioned "ends meet"? can you repeat it in another way for me please?
'Make ends meet' basically means to survive on what you've got.
:) gtmash
Everyone has the option of leaving. yorky500 Why should we "leave" when it ought be the Government/Rulers who should be doing something about regulating these "rises" and stopping the greed. If everyone was to "leave" then the turnover of Professionals would be horrendous and would be detrimental to Dubai's economy and growth. After talking to a number of recruitment consultants, it appears that they are able to place more expats leaving Dubai, than they can get to come here. I think word is out that Dubai is not as good as everyone makes it out to be and is very, very expensive. Also, with exchange rates these days, it is not a very "attractive" option anymore. sauron And I don't believe everyone does have an option to leave. That's a sweeping generalisation.........like saying all locals are rich. kanelli We've taken our greedy-ass landlord to the rent committee. Tonight we find out if we win the case or not. I'll be really surprised if we lose! Some companies are already planning to leave or are in the process of leaving Dubai because of the greediness here. If it costs them a fortune to pay salaries, rent and schooling for their staff they will most certainly move elsewhere to run their businesses. There are many countries in the world with good laws that protect consumers from greedy and fraudulent people, and the UAE needs to do more to stop this from happening here. The examples of the laws are out there - it is just so painfully slow to see things being implemented here. Chocoholic Exactly right, not everyone can just up and leave. Plus that's a totally ridiculous thing to say. If the Governments aren't careful, Dubai and the UAE in general will be home for the very rich and the very poor. There will be no middle classes, and these people are the ones who're generating the economy for the country. It's a vicious circle, if people are spending all their money on paying rents and school fees and just generally surviving, then they won't go out and spend on entertainments, shopping, eating out etc, which in turn hurts the economy. It really is about time those in higher powers woke up to the situation and put a hold on hikes in the prices of things, before it gets out of hand. yorky500
The opposite to that Choc's (and I agree with you), is why should they? The Gov are looking after their own people (sorry sauron, no offence, ok). It is they who are getting rich (Yes, I know, not all of them, but a good % I am sure) as they are the ones who have to have a % stake in all businesses, own lots of property etc, etc, etc.
Is this the right or the wrong way?

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I would be more surprised to hear if you win. kanelli Maybe the government wants to use this as a way of pushing the Western expats out of the country. The companies will find it more economical to employ locals and expats from countries with lower salary levels than in the West. The goal is most likely to have a huge workforce of locals and people from the surrounding Gulf countries. Then the cost of living levels will even out, because people can't be as greedy because the same kinds of packages are not being offered to employees anymore. kanelli
Why? Tenants have been winning the majority of the cases. Five people in my neighbourhood have gone and all have won. yorky500
Well, I am not going to say why? However, it would appear from your additional info that you have a very good chance.
Good luck. yorky500
Western expats are not the only ones that are suffering. Many sub-continent/Asian expats too are complaining and suffering as a result of the unfair/unjustifiable rises in rents/schooling/cost of living. kanelli I never said that only Western expats are suffering. If we look at rent increases, especially where I am living, the landlords are doing it because the companies are paying the rents and they know they can keep pushing the levels up. I have neighbours from various nationalities but the ones with passports from the West who were moved here by their Western companies are the ones who are still okay because their company offers rent packages. It is my other neighbours who either have their own businesses or no company rent package (or tiny package) that are packing up and moving to more remote areas where they can afford the rent. Women are having to leave their children for some daycare and going back to work so that they can afford the rent etc. The cost of living increases affect everyone, but the greedy landlords etc. are successfully pushing the levels up because the companies offer the large rent packages. If everyone was paying rents from their own pockets I highly doubt there would be such large increases. Those without rent packages are suffering badly, and I feel for them. Chocoholic The rent packages give to employees for the most part are pathetic. People end up paying out of their own pocket anyway. jabbajabba Its an ever increasing triangle - the reason that the school rates are raking up is..... They have to pay out more to get the teachers (and keep them) so the teachers can afford the rents here!?!? I am here for a year, if there is no improvement there will be no need to tell me to bugger off home - I will be on the first plane myself. Two facts; Salary is higher and rent is cheaper in London. Indian ecomony is going from strength to strength (3 of my friends have moved out to Bangalore in the past year for IT work). There won't be to many left here after awhile. But the UAE are looking out for this - thus we have the elections and putting a lot of money into training for locals. kanelli We are thinking the same. Hubby wants to hang on for a third year, but I want to be gone after the next rental contract expires. With me not working and us having to pay rent out of our pockets, it isn't really beneficial for us to live here. I could find work as a teacher for the third year, but from what I have heard the salaries haven't really increased in years. Any teachers on here that can confirm that?
yorky500
Why don't you work K, just out of interest (not being nosey, ok). with you working it would raise your income (but also your costs), but I am sure you would do the math first to see if it was viable.
After all, if you have the opportunity to work, it puts less stress on a single income. kanelli Hard to get hired when you are pregnant :D I was working when I got here but the company was crap so I didn't sign a permanent contract with them. rudeboy lol y is there always a post by some1 bitching about high rents and the increasing cost of living. get one nice job n live ur life. lifes like that its a bitch but get on with it n stop complaining. we all are suffering. we cant revolt against the government can we now ;) n there is nothing that will be done if we say something cos basically we are EXPATS n we dont belong to this country. ok if it was concering the locals TOO much then they would complain n then there would be something done about it. Jamal wrote: .... aint none of ur paki or indian brothers ever gonna be playin no football mother fucker ..... cause each time u fag's get a corner u all gonna go an open a shop ... hahaha ... i stood in front of the mirror and practised this for hours and hours and finally i got it . yorky500
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO, congrats then. I did not know. jabbajabba Would not say we are bitching rudeboy by discussing stuff that effects daily lifes - its in the news dude. You will find people talk about these aspects of living all over the world. But i do agree as well - at the end of the day its not our country. kanelli There is no crime in trying to make things better where you are living. Things only get better when people bitch about it and take action to change it. Believe me, people who don't belong to this country will leave if they are unhappy enough. rudeboy
lol u 4got where u living. UAE aint england or america where your thoughts count. me and u dont have the rights to vote to put someone in power who will help us or even support us. this aint england where u cant vote when they have elections going on for the local council where u can vote for your councellor n he/she will help u or solve ur problems and make life better for u.
lol ppl bitch about it and take action lol wot action u talking about. thinking of going to the sheikh n tell him plz plz plz plz get the rents down lol. yeh ppl will leave alrite. some of us have already left. me n u will leave but tommorow there will always be someone who wants to come to dubai :D but once it has been developed all da buildings built n everything all it will be a ghost town. there wont be any rudeboys, jamals or kanellis. instead there will be rich n loaded ppl n most of them will be in other countries they will just fly to dubai n spend their holidays here n back. :D
no1 will listen to u here unless u r a LOCAL.
bitching wont get u anywhere. ppl have been bitching about traffic for YEARS now n they keep on bitching n bitching i mean get over it and get a bike or something :D or a banshee yeh :D jabbajabba 'Let's talk about rents, baby Let's talk about the hikes in UAE Let's talk about all the good things And the bad things that happen when take back the keys. Lets talk about it - dooob doob rudeboy can we talk about girls. they interesting species :D sauron Hiiiiiiiiiii to Kannelli and let me add my congratulations. Another mouth to feed, huh??!!! :D Re: teacher's salaries, I think educational institutes are beginning to wake up to the fact that people are seriously considering leaving and are reviewing current packages. However, I feel that it could be a case of too little, too late. rudeboy are u all indians or something :D sage & onion
I wouldn't exactly call it bitching, this is an on-line discussion between people sharing concerns. What you have written doesn't resolve anything other than to get peoples back up at your attitude.
If all you want to discuss is girls I am sure you can find somewhere far more appropriate to visit!!! rudeboy ok sage u wise one u wanna tell me how u wanna solve da problem :D sage & onion
Now wouldn't I be the "Wise one" if I knew how to solve the problem. With working abroad one has to make a conscious decision regarding the terms and conditions. Unfortunately what is happening in the market today is beyond anyones thinking. I have been here for many years and I have seen ups as well as downs, but what is going on today is really unreal in many ways. Unfortunately what typically happens in this kind of market (If their ever has been one like this before that is) is that salaries get behind with the market norm due to the fact that many companies have based costs on a model that is one or two years old, and are unable to raise prices due to existing contracts. This of course comes right down the line to the employee.
Someone said to me today, best thing to do is change your job every two years. Easy to say, not so easy to do though. Bleakus
yeah banshees are awesome :D Bleakus
Awesome song dude Bleakus
now why would you say something like that? :? rudeboy cos indians n pakis usually complain. they go oh the prices of vegetables going up. we cant send da kids to school cos the prices gone up n on n on. so when ya all were bitching i thought u was indians :D sage & onion
It's in the name Bleakus :roll: rudeboy yeh that aswell sorry 4got to mention that just wasnt sure. thanks sage for the confirmation :D sage & onion
So "rudeboy", what Nationality are you? rudeboy I is Jamaican just like Jamal. YAAAAH MAAAAAN sage & onion
Somehow I don't think I believe you :lol: rudeboy u really is a WISE one arent u. how about u guess n i ll tell u if ur right or wrong? by the way where u from. ok clue am a mixed cocktail :D da one sheikha bushra likes ;) sage & onion
No secret where I am from UK.
To guess where you are from, is impossible so either you tell me or you don't. :lol: rudeboy
oh and y is it WELL known :D
see when u gardening u shouldnt touch da roots of plants or trees otherwise they will get messed up. so same here u got the rose in front of u from england dont go wanting to touch da roots cos u might get a monster ;) rudeboy born and raised for 18 years in england. southeast england u must have heard of High Wycombe :D it was in da news cos they found some al qaeda ppl from there. but my roots r from some place else :D sage & onion
High Wycombe well know of course, but what about the roots now? sage & onion
Well you certainly ain't no rose :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: jabbajabba
Small world - I am from the ghetto on the other side of the tracks 'Slough' :) rudeboy
looks can be deceiving :D n neva judge a book by its cova :D rudeboy
ouch that is a small world then :p slough is alrite but southall is the best :D jabbajabba
yeah, southall on a nice grey wet waiting at the bus stop day - sheessh dubai you have long way to come. rudeboy
dubai will neva bee like that. u cant get them donner kebabs here. n no bloody fish n chips here :( so jabbajabba wot brings u to dubai jabbajabba Several things - Wife was offered a job out here, My Firm then said they would have me relocate to UAE and it seemed like to good an experience to let pass by.

Try the 'fish basket' in oul metha a really nice lebanese outfit - fish and fries, its almost the real thing, just not wrapped up in newspaper :)
How about yourself dude - what you up to in the sandlands? rudeboy nice thanks for advice i ll go n check it out later on well am not a oldie like u so aint married n no wifey not yet anyways ;) am 23 working chilling relaxing n getting on some peoples nerves here. so u originally from england or are ur roots from some place too :p sage & onion
Restaurant in Spinneys Mall Umn Suqueim does decent Fish & Chips asc_26 This thread is funny, from serious discussion of high cost of rents, school fees, etc to where are you from, eating fishes etc until rudeboy finally hijacked the thread by simply introducing himself. :D In a serious note, most if not all real estate companies are pricing the units with a very high margin, and those who bought the units wanted to have their ROI in a short period of time. This is what we call Greedy management philosophy (whatever you call it), it's all about money, money and money. Poor those who are ordinary expat employees, who are only working to make both ends meet. Only those who are in real estate companies make a lot of money and their salary increase is quite high. I am partly working in a real estate firm. We can't 100% generalised locals to be the culprit of all these high cost of rents, because high percentage of the units owners aren't locals. Most of them are merely investors who want to make a lot of money as soon as possible. If you lodge a complain in the rent committee then you're being heard, otherwise they can get away with their greedy style. It is sad because the issue has been dealt per case. No case, No action. And we all know how they're working. You are lucky if your case will be taking cared of promptly, what about those who need to go to work, and don't have ample time to follow up the case? Most likely, they'll just pay the unjust rent hikes or find another place to live. And why should the people responsible to halt the unjust rent hikes look into this issue seriously? Most of them are investors too, who want to make much money in a short period of time. sage & onion Most people that I know that have referred to the Rent Committee have won the case, however it takes time. The more that do it the better. sauron Somebody should invest in a proper fish and chip shop here. They'd make a killing. Irish Village does great fish and chips.......but, yeah, it's definitely not the same without the newspaper. kanelli Our first time at the rent committee was only 2 weeks after we filed. Because the landlord's rep didn't bring two important papers our case was postponed another week. We went back yesterday and once some hassle with some of our paperwork was solved and the case was actually heard, it took 5 minutes for them decide against the landlord who was clearly in the wrong. Safe in our home for one more year :D Bleakus
gratz dude, "looks like we made it" Bleakus i know there is a good fish n chips place on SZR called the "Chippy". Im Lovin it jabbajabba Have to check that one out Bleakus.
Unfortunatley lots of people are hijacking our thread on fish 'n' chips and going on about rents!?!! :)
One thing i just thought of reading this over - If the rent cap is removed in Jan 2007 what will the rent commitees main use be?
kanelli There won't be a rent committee anymore if the rent cap is removed. However, let's not jump to conclusions about the rent cap being removed. The Sheikh still has until the last day of December (or whenever he wants really!) to make a new ruling. rudeboy ok found a nice place in shj that does fish n chips. n they bring in COD yes COD especially from uk. lol i think da shop keeper was pulling my leg am sure u can get cod here rite? man i miss those fish fingers :( those crispy fish fingers :( sage & onion
Cod here would be frozen I would think, its not available in the Gulf waters. kanelli Thread hijackers! :P rudeboy
yeh thats wot i thought u cant catch a cod here it has to be imported from england or some place else. but anyways it tastes NICE da chips are alrite n its only for 15dhs awsome :D sage & onion
Back on track then :wink: rudeboy wait wait wait fish is more exciting can we talk how to cook fish :D wannabe you guys from the uk must have left here an awful long time ago. they haven't served fish and chips in newspaper here in gogd knows how long...u lot must have visited ancient england! :? sauron ancient England.......nah! You can still get ém with the lovely smell of steaming newsprint in Scotland. Yuuuuuuuuum sage & onion
Thats because they are backwards :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: gtmash
Will your landlord follow the ruling? Someone wrote a letter in a newspaper about going to the committee, which he won against the local landlord, but the landlord just said "screw you" to the rent committee and went home, while the committee didn't do sheet to enforce the ruling. kanelli Well, suits me. I would just stay in the villa living rent free. They can't kick me out or get any money from me without the rent committee ruling and the signed contract. So the landlord would get zero rent. sauron Is this good news or bad? kanelli Good news :) Concord
How is it good? without a cap they can charge any additional amount (far in excess of 15%)!



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