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leila Never liked them, never wanted them. No offense meant.
FAKESPIKE not quite what i expected.... Glory LOL@homoppl yorky500 well, gays could be allowed in the army, the only problem being the risk of aids if they are ever shot (I know a lot of others may have it as well, i.e. drug users) Secondly - the bazookers the yanks use would be used by the gay boys for banging eachother and not killing the enemy! Glory Fruits can join the army, provided they abide by the "Dont ask, Dont tell" policy. keep it under wraps and they won't impede you sa4877 hey... it would be a good idea to allow gays to join the US Army. They would come in handy in the torture camps at G Bay. RiFQa lol...i think they should definitely be allowed to join the army. they're not discriminated against in any other field...so y is the army any different....being a homo doesnt impair your performance. discrimination is where all the sh#t starts if u ask me.! Glory The US should let homo's join the army! think about it? how scary would a platoon of naked gay homo people with machine guns be? seriously? very scary! And instead of abusing prisoners they can just do themselves! FAKESPIKE well what do you think. should gay ppl be allowed in the US army. the us is currently banning them. if they find out your gay they as you to leave. is that right or just? what about gays in other fields? anything about gays you would like to ask post here Glory you've never wanted a gay person? i'm amazed. truly.

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abs God did not made anybody like this. It is a mental disorder. Gay is wrong in the eyes of God Almighty. I do not dispise them thou. I just want to help. I have heard gays turned straight after they received Jesus as the Son of God. After which he(ex-gay) said he cannot imagine ever being gay. God Bless. Andyba Gays should not be allowed to army from the same reasons ladies should not be allowed. It's the discipline that can suffer. There is no place for romance when you are in army, especcialy if you take in consideration access to real weapons. Also on a real battle field there would be 2 seconds of hesitation e.g. "look how horny this man is, how can I kill him" that could costs someones life. :lol: krush
i'm not quite sure that i agree that it's a mental disorder - unless you want to delve into the spiritual aspect of being gay.
but otherwise, i agree with what you say :headbang: Glory im sure the middle east has a high number of closet homo's they might not know it, but they're flaming gay sniper420 hey an american general once said " US army is most homo philic army in da world" Airmedic
Absolute rubbish! i think women can be in the army in certain roles and can be as brave and dedicated as men. As an ex British army officer, i have served with many gay army officers and they have been super soldiers. Whether the British army wants to admit it or not some of the most famous soldiers in history were gay! lol sniper420
yeah but the real straight men are most decorated! I dotn want gays in army they intoduce many ways to abuse and reuse prisoners. stuchil Why should they join the army? Isn't the Navy full of stereotypes? yshimy homosexuality shouldn't be allowed at all, not in army, not in anything else. i wonder how anyone would accept such behavior. Can't your realize that homosexuals are sick people, argue as you like but i'll explain my logic. Homosexuals are those who are not able to target the opposite sex with their sexual behavior. and they feel attracted to the same sex and they can't control it or stop. Exactly like those who are not able to target the opposite sex, and feel attracted to children. or animals or their own family members (incest) or whatever kind of abnormality. I don't mind have gays people around as long as they keep their own business hidden in their homes, i wouldn't like to have my kids see this disgusting life in front of them. About admitting them to army, well, i belive they shouldn't be admitted to anything. Think i'm stupid narrow minded person, well... i think the pope agrees with me as you can see what he said few months ago about homosexuality. Also all religions (holly religions) scorn such behaviour and ban it.
Liban They are a sick bunch. irish vanessa God i never realised how anti-gay a lot of people are....???? The way i see it is that one is born that way - otherwise, why would someone choose to be attracted to the same sex??? It makes life much more difficult for themselves because they can't reproduce etc etc...why would they choose a more difficult life... The whole pre-historic anti-gay thing wrecks my head because my uncle is gay, and because my granny (his mum) is all catholic and devout and obsessed with what the neighbours think. She chooses to ignore the fact that he is this way and we all have to pretend we dont know - such bullsh*t! Liban
Immoral too! XRW-147
Yshimy, you trying to break the record for the most auto censored post? :)
Everyone has a different view on the subject, obviously yours is very anti-homos*e*xuality, but remember the fact that its each person's human right to live the lifestyle they choose.
Yes, places such as UAE are not open to this lifestyle and its become pretty much a behind the doors affair. But likening homos*e*xuals to pedophiles and such is not exactly a valid logic. Just because something does not fit into your perceived/defined normality doesn't mean its worth condemning. yshimy
Vanessa, you are very kind and i can understand your logic, but not accept it.
So if a person was born with attraction to small kids?? what do you think??
Mr. X

Why not??
Excuse my lack of understanding of the humor, can you elaborate? "different cultures got different humor"
i didn't get it kanelli I can see how some people might think that being attracted to the same s.e.x is as dysfunctional as being attracted to their own family members, small children or animals. However, one main difference is that gay people are adults and s.e.x. between two consenting adults is their own business. Defining what is immoral is difficult, because in some cultures it is pefectly acceptable and common practice for first cousins to marry and have children. I find incest a little disturbing, but it isn't considered immoral in those cultures. Other cultures marry off older males to female children, which is not considered immoral in their culture. This would disturb other people from different cultures who think that children are too young for marriage and s.e.x. It is true that having s.e.x. with a person of the opposite s.e.x. is designed for procreation - biologically speaking. However, s.e.x., passion and love are about more than procreation, and that is why two males or two females being in love and having s.e.x. is a complicated issue. irish vanessa The logic is that being attracted to kids is wrong but being gay isnt..... If you are born with an attraction to kids, then you need to control and reject this - we all have demons, and we know which ones are really really wrong..... Being gay is not. Paedophiles harm others, gays don't. easternjewel I think being gay is just like being ill. You have to seek medical treatment. Its just against the nature. irish vanessa
That is such an ignorant statement EJ! My uncle is not ill and i know that he wouldn't have chosen to be gay - he's had a difficult secretive life, trying to hold up the persona of businessman bachelor. I respect him a lot though because i know of others who have entered marriage and family just because they felt they had to keep up appearances...
I admit that the thoughts of gay s.e.x are disturbing, but so is that of any other animal. Get a life EJ and open your mind. XRW-147
Yshimy,
Think K hit the nail on the head right there. Theres a difference between 2 consenting adults -vs- (for lack of a better word) a predator. So by your logic a rapist would stand on higher morale ground than a homose*xual simply because you consider his se*xual orientation to follow normality?
On a lighter side, I was merely saying if you look through your post there were a lot of words auto edited to read "fun" rather than what you probably typed. kanelli irish vanessa, there is no conclusive evidence that adults who are attracted to children aren't born that way, the same as homos.e.x.uals. It is very possible that some are born with a tendency and some develop it because of the environment - there is evidence for both. Your observation that gays aren't hurting people because they are having s.e.x with a consenting adult is correct, but it isn't logical to say that homos.e.x.uality is therefore not an illness or immoral. Homos.e.x.uality seems to be tolerated more because it doesn't harm children or animals, like incest, pedophelia, and beastiality do, and adults can better understand mature love between two adults. (Defining immoral is too difficult, as I mentioned in my previous post.) Liban It is an immoral and unnatural act. Gays do harm others. They harm children. Innocent little children are baffled when they see fags walking hand in hand or kissing. It is wrong. Shame on all gay people for not correcting themselves. Keep it in the closet. irish vanessa
I never said that those attracted to children weren't born that way - i believe that they are, and they must fight and reject these feelings.
Gays, however should not have to do this. Why live a life as something you're not just to keep from offending others??? XRW-147 Actually on that note, how do little children view guys holding hands here? You see grown men walking holding each other's hands here all the time. And guys hugging and kissing when they greet - I thought that was the norm here too? irish vanessa
Like you Liban?????
It is my opinion that people who are aggresively anti-gay, are most likely to be gay themselves. easternjewel
sweety, dont get hyper. Your uncle is gay.. my close cousin has the same problem aswell! Coming from a culture same as mine you have no idea how difficult it can be for a girl of her age to be in that situation not wanting to get married cause she is in love with the same s.e.x! therefore
I know the seriousness of this issue. I said its an illness because it is being ill in the head. I did not say your uncle is ill. I said its just like any thing abnormal that has to be medically treated. Does that sound too bad? However. My cousin is seeing the Psychiatrist. but has been ineffective until now. kanelli Of course, I have my own opinion on things. I don't think that homos.e.x.uality is immoral, but I do consider it dysfunctional in the way that technically, according to biology and propagating our species, it is a waste to have humans who are pair bonding and not reproducing. Having said this, there are many heteros.e.x.ual pair bonds that don't produce children either. This is why I would rather consider a person's quality of life as the main reason for accepting homos.e.x.uality. Also, there is evidence of homos.e.x.uality in many other species on the planet, so it seems that biologically it is natural to see a small number of homos.e.x.uals making up part of the whole population of a species. I have a few gay friends and I am always so happy to go to dinner with them and see them with their partner - happy and affectionate, just like the other hetero.s.e.xual couples. It doesn't matter that they won't produce children - they are in love and share their life just like heteros.e.x.ual couples do. Children are not stupid and you can explain to them that some people are attracted to the same s.e.x. yshimy
So why Gays shouldn't reject such feelings????
EJ you are right, they are ill people.
Kanelli, what is moral and immoral is determined by oneself commiting to a certain religion or if not, then he is his own master.
But all religions banned homosexuality and condamned it.. so why there are alot of people FOR it ???
Marriage among cousines is not incest by the way, as by law and religions there is nothing against it.
I see it perfectly normal, whats wrong with it??? irish vanessa
#1) im not hyper, im just enjoying a good debate.
#2) My uncle is gay - i don't believe it to be a 'problem' as you call it. It is the unfortunate reality of his life, but i don't think it should be that way in this day and age.
#3) i don't know what culture you come from, but calling a gay person ill-in-the-head would be extremely unaccepted in mine.
#4) Seeing a psychiatrist is not going to change a persons sexual orientation. kanelli First cousins share some of the same genetic matter because they each have a parent who is a sibling. Also, from a family standpoint, when children are raised together, it seems strange that cousins who grow up like brother and sister are then married to each other. So, from a genetic and social standpoint this seems really weird to me. easternjewel
that is just a cultural thing. Can you not make out between Arab men greeting eachother & gay couples XRW :roll: XRW-147
Yshimy, don't get me wrong here. Its not that I am 'for' it, but I choose not to judge them in the same light you have chosen. Like you said, we are masters of our own domain.
Catholic priests have been some of the most commonly publicised pedophiles so does that make it justifiable?
Well in some countries they have started to recognize g.a.y unions as well, so what's wrong with that? yshimy
So we also can tell them that some people are attracted to their mothers, aunts, sister, and daughters. Also tell them that some people are attracted in kids their age, and some people attracted to animals.
I don't agree. Liban
Your opinion then is quite wrong. kanelli Vanessa, you can't say that. In your culture there are people who also feel that it is an illness. As well, there is some scientific evidence that some people turn gay because of peer pressure or dysfunctional family relationships. For example, a family with an overbearing mother and abusive sisters might mean that a male child dislikes women and then finds men more attractive. Some people experiment with s.e.x.ual orientation, and in the past it has been trendy in some circles to do such a thing. XRW-147
EJ, I'm talking about how children view it. People just said on here seeing such things confuses them, so how do you explain the difference to children? irish vanessa
This is where my opinions change - i totally disagree with cousins reproducing. It's wrong! Gays are not harming others, wheras cousins reproducing is harmful to their offspring. Such children have been more likely to suffer from genetic disorders etc etc irish vanessa
there is no reason for gays to reject these feelings because they are not hurting others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 kanelli
Actually, there is some fact in what Vanessa said, though it isn't true in all cases. I have met one man who was married with three children and he finally came out as gay later on. He used to call gays all kinds of names and kick up a big stink about homos.e.x.uality, because he was trying to throw people off the fact that secretly he had feelings towards men.
For everyone else, what do you think about men and women who marry, have children and then sneak off to public bathrooms to have s.e.x with other people to satisfy their need to have s.e.x with someone who actually turns them on. Would you rather have diseases being brought home to husbands and wives, and families being destroyed, or let people be gay and save such bad marital situations from happening? easternjewel
gud post Kenelli.
Seeing a psychiatrist has helped alot of people regarding this problem or issue as you like to call it. kanelli
Good point. I too have noticed men holding hands and kissing here.
Years ago I had some Korean students who came to me upset that some people had made comments to them in the hall of the university. The girls were holding hands, and when in a group the girls are more affectionate with each other, playing with each other's hair and touching each other more. Some of the other university students were calling them lesbians etc.
I told them people just didn't understand the culture and they should just ignore them. yshimy X Whats wrong with it..... IT promotes the purpose, so whats next, unions for transgender????? unions for zoophelia or whatever you call it... i can't stand that man, i can live in peace with them around like in europe, because it is their culture, but imagining them in our countries have rights etc... i hate that man, in the end, we are muslim nations. cheers Kanelli, Cousins not always live together like brothers and sisters, and employing this logic, noone should marry any gurl/guy he meets in kindergarden, primary school. as they consider them sisters. About the genatic thing, i agree with you and thats why before cousins get married they check if the children will be ok or got any dysfunctional. excuse my spelling kanelli
Actually yes, you tell them that if they ask about it. Then you tell them that it is wrong for an adult to be s.e.x.ual with children, animals, or family members - and you explain the reasons why. You can raise your children however you like. kanelli
It might help some people who are homos.e.x.ual because of their past environment , but for those who are biologically wired to be s.e.x.ually attracted to people of the same s.e.x it really doesn't help I'm afraid. It is worth a try at least, and if it doesn't work, then the family should be supportive. irish vanessa
There are a lot of people in my culture who feel exactly the same as a lot of you. It is not long since one child in every family was forced into the priesthood, since being gay was seriously frowned upon and discouraged, since catholicism dominated our lives. It is difficult to ignore this recent past and i believe that the high male suicide rate in my country is as a result of closet gays' feelings of inadequacy.
Also, no matter what scientific evidence you quote, i don't believe that a person can 'turn' gay. easternjewel
well, the only difficult part would be to xplain the 'mushy mushy' things that gay couples do. XRW-147
Yshimy, don't get me wrong. I didn't mean to imply that I want people to be open endedly expressing their se.xual orientation here. Its a muslim country and people must respect that fact - same as not eating/drinking in public during ramadan. In light of the fact you do accept their existence and place in society in a cultural setting that accepts it then I think we are on the same page here.

With regards to genetics, I thought you can only check for defeciencies/deformities post conception? yshimy
If you suggest this for gays, so why you don't for people who like kids.
And yes gays harm the society, the family is the core cell of society, it ruins the family concept. also the freaking HIV that been wondering around.
Why do you think religions would ban homosexuality if it is not bad???? Liban Men kissing each other on the cheek is not the same as men frenching... Give me a break! kanelli Yes vanessa, but I have a friend who was staunchly gay, and now he is married to a woman. I know of two other lesbians who are living happily with men now and have babies. Examples like that blow the theory of pure genetic cause out the window. yshimy Liban, They are homophobic :D irish vanessa
Just because they are gay doesnt mean they dont want to reproduce. These people are doing a 'will and grace' like marriage of convenience. kanelli What is the difference between a child seeing two men kissing on the cheek and walking holding hands, and in one case the men are gay and in the other case they aren't. Do the men wears signs that say "I'm gay!" to help the children differentiate? It think this was X's and my point. By the way, I don't french kiss my husband in public, so why do you expect that all gay people do that? kanelli
vanessa, they aren't in marriages of convenience - they love and are attracted to their partners. easternjewel
Yeh, like my cousins ex gf is married to a guy & is happy with kids :wink: irish vanessa
Devout religion has caused major prolems in my country in the last 100 years. Priests have gotten away with paedophilia because they were over-respected...some have had illegitimate children and others have been found guilty of various s.e.x scandals....
The result is an ireland which is less naive and trusting of the church and religion, and this is a good thing. We are more open-minded and much more pregressive. yshimy Sad when the number of lesbs get less :P hehehe irish vanessa
Maybe they swing both ways? irish vanessa
i dont get it? kanelli
Ha ha ha! I was waiting for a perverted lesbian comment from one of our male members :) We needed some comic relief here ;)
:lol: irish vanessa ah, the penny drops.... Madonna and britney on the mind??? yshimy Vanessa, Sorry for what is happening in your country, in my country if a man of religion is caught doing that he would be killed immediately. sometimes the street laws works best, sometimes it is a mess. Anyway, not because someone drives the car in the wrong direction we blame the car. Religions are good, and give guildlines and makes us know what is right and wrong, despite we practice or not. without them, this world would be in more mess. It is like a world with no ruler,... check iraq after saddam cheers kanelli Interesting how men are so disgusted at gay men together, but if they imagine two lesbians together their johnny stands to attention. :lol: IMJ I have heard some Muslim ppl misinterpret things they read in Koran and think they gotta be gay. lol I am not kidding. I guess in the Book there is a place that says that women are only for giving birth and men are supposed to have fun, I do not know how exactly it is all written in the Book, anyway, some men think that means they gotta have fun doing it with men. Has anyone heard of it? Isn's it nuts? irish vanessa You can still know what is right and wrong without religion. easternjewel
Damn! thats even worst!!
Venessa, why are you not ready to accept the fact that gay or lesbains can become straight? arniegang I will throw my two penneth worth in. All you MEN out there IMHO, would dribble at the mouth at the thought of 2 women getting it on, with you or in front of you. I think there is a definate divide between the issue of gays and lesbians. irish vanessa
No, i dont accept it. irish vanessa
I dribble at the though of you and DK..... kanelli Hey EJ, what is so bad with being attracted to both males and females - you'd have twice the amount of choice and you'd never be without a date. :lol: yshimy Vanessa, Sorry for what is happening in your country, in my country if a man of religion is caught doing that he would be killed immediately. sometimes the street laws works best, sometimes it is a mess. Anyway, not because someone drives the car in the wrong direction we blame the car. Religions are good, and give guildlines and makes us know what is right and wrong, despite we practice or not. without them, this world would be in more mess. It is like a world with no ruler,... check iraq after saddam cheers easternjewel
LOL Kenelli :lol: kanelli
:shock: :lol: yshimy best is a 2 bi ladies got the same straight boyfriend. we...... that is HEAVEN... heehheehh Behave.... :boxing: irish vanessa My country is fine now....hundreds of scandals came out in the 1990s which left us much less trusting of religion.... Anyway, i think we should just let gay people be...it's their choice and it doesn't affect us, so why should it bother us? PS: i feel sorry for your children if they have the misfortune of having the gay gene... easternjewel
Something hits EJ* :shock:
"SO, what are you doing tonight Kenelli?"
with lots of Love & Affection : EJ
:lol: :lol: irish vanessa
Brokeback mountain style..... yshimy
Very good convincing argument.
EJ, shoo away, she convinced you with logic, facts and evidance kanelli True vanessa, then they will either a) commit suicide, b) marry anyway and sneak off to have s.e.x behind their wife/husband's back and maybe bring home a disease or two, c) run away and never speak to their family again. Very sad options. :( arniegang
weyyyyyyyyyyyyy heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bring it on Vee,
Don't wanna sound ungrateful but maybe when you come over with few mates we can sort that out, the more the merrier as they say :D
and then we can say we come from GB :wink: kanelli
Hey baby, come on over to my house. I'll show you my lingerie collection. :lol: yshimy
In Sha2 2allah, it will never happen with the right upbringing and pure and decent wife to guide da mini mes.
if it happened, therapy, if they insisted, then.. man gotta do what man gotta do :evil: arniegang Oi i wanna be first K :P :P :P easternjewel
I am not convinced :evil: irish vanessa
You may think that that's extreme but i believe it....
Just beware of how your opinions affect your children.
I know i would prefer not to have a gay child because they won't be able to reproduce, but forgetting that i would accept them and love them and want the best for them nonetheless. arniegang K you do stockings and sussies in yer collection ?? :lol: :lol: :lol: easternjewel
OH damn!! MAYBE I AM CONVINCED :shock:
I am coming baby :lol: kanelli
All of the options in my first post quoted here are why I would accept my child if he/she is gay. I'd rather have my child alive and happy. kanelli
No, sorry, my door isn't swinging that way tonight.
:lol: irish vanessa
My uncle had the right upbringing - my grandmother is pure and decent. Therapy will not change his orientation. In ireland, Man gotta hide what man wanna do if he wants to be succesful in the business world. kanelli Don't you just love how threads turn out in this forum? :lol: arniegang Arniegang trips up EJ as she runs out from her car........................ Liban Proof that being gay is plain WRONG. yshimy
*latest news,
yshimy is following EJ to Kanelli's house.... arniegang Wrong Liban - it shows me and EJ fighting over Kanelli :lol: :lol: kanelli I think you need some ice yshimy :lol: irish vanessa
Come on liban...as i said before, why would someone choose to be that way if it makes life more difficult for them. Its not a choice, its inherent and its definitely not wrong! yshimy you wanna apply it yourself ;) arniegang Yshimy IF you go over K's house, you wont find any wheels on yer car when you return :lol: :lol: :lol: kanelli Too bad we can't have babies EJ, they'd have such lovely chocolaty-vanilla complexions. Heeee! :lol: yshimy small price to pay for the premium gift 2 lads tottally different in everything.. woooo *i think i'm being carried away alittle, but anyway, dats what DF is about easternjewel
EJ Gets hold on herself, tries to catch up & shouts to Arnie
"Its no MEAT for Baby. Kenelly is not in the mood for you today!" :lol: yshimy
Thats when i come in handy....
And thanks i'm in already a choco vanilla mix ;) so wouldn't ruin your mix easternjewel
your looking at my meal matey :twisted: i no like that .. no no no.. kanelli
:lol: :lol: :lol: arniegang
Arnie runs faster, get to the door, inside and slams it shut then locks it. Then shouts through letterbox,
"You can only come in if i can watch".
:lol: :lol: :lol: yshimy EJ, don't be greedy, we can share.. or, i can take only a bite. or. ok, i'll just watch :D kanelli What a bunch of dirty boys on here. No wonder I prefer women! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: Liban
Well pedophiles to not chose to be that way, its inside their heads... But with meds and treatment they can be cured. Gayness is the same way. irish vanessa
I know they dont chose to be that way, but its wrong, its harming others!!
Being gay is neither! yshimy
Back to seriousness (and wondering what liban is doing in it (seriousness))
I do totally agree with you liban, but seems vanessa got an opinion and with no proof or argument stick to it and not willing to change it. we have to accept not to agree easternjewel
theyre fiting for watching... for W A T C H I N G! :shock:
:lol: arniegang Yshimy You seem to have a conflict with your own opinions. In one post you joke with EJ about watching then you slam off gays. Slightly hypocritical dont you agree?? irish vanessa
You are the one with no arguement yshimy...ive fought my corner well...you are the one who keeps making bigotted remarks with no evidence to back them up. WHY, I REPEAT, WHY would someone choose to be gay. it does them no favours. Therefore, i believe people are born gay.



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