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French pool bans 'burkini' swim


JackTheRipper I am French and there is a debate here about this video. Some argue that this situation was made intentionally by the woman, helped by the newspaper "Le Parisien" to create a national buzz. Indeed that woman possesses some strong similarities with another woman interviewed months ago by the same media "Le Parisien" about the fact that she wears the niqab in France. This was during the national debate about the possible introduction of a law forbidding the Niqab. The voice is the same, the age is the same, and the age of conversion to Islam is also the same. Only the name changes... So, was this made intentionally ? Wait and see...
Chocoholic
Oh really!
Well here's your quote:
'The women need to cover up their pretty knees and bosems for their own good, thats if they want to stay out of trouble in the shopping malls or where ever. ' Red Chief I just said that the women should go swimming in the swimming suit (not fully-dressed) just because it is the rule in the swimming pool .. Clear? chevaliers-de-sion
Is this because the males in the turd world think woman are only chattles chevaliers-de-sion The woman had swum in July in the pool in Emerainville, east of Paris, in the "burkini" - a loose-fitting garment resembling a wetsuit with a hood.
But staff stopped her from swimming in August, citing hygiene concerns.
It comes as the government examines ways to limit burka use after the president said they reduced dignity.
France is home to Western Europe's largest population of Muslims, with about 5 million living there.
At the pool, staff "reminded [the woman] of the rules that apply in all (public) swimming pools which forbid swimming while clothed," MethoD
So swim naked or dont swim at all? :lol: Chocoholic I read this story this morning, not quite sure what to make of it. On the one hand the Burkini gives Muslim women the freedom to enjoy swimming, on the other it's useless if the pool staff still see it as 'clothing'. At virtually every swimming pool on the list of do's and don't, it will always sy that only swim wear is allowed, clothing is not. Most pools even ban board shorts too. Raya I think its a shame that they don't let muslim women swim with the burkini. The burkini is made for swimming so i don't see where the problem is .. ohh wait i do see the problem.. they can't see her body. crusader 1 Getting your clothes caught in a main drain is a significant risk, you might as well swim with an anchor... please, do carry on. :lol: Bora Bora
It is unhygenic to wear these garments. I have yet to see one of the women or girls wearing them take a shower before going into the pool. They come of the pool, dry off and sit in the sweating!!!.
I have also noticed that when some of the women/girls who wear them come out of the water, the garments are clinging to them; basically the only good they serve is hiding skin, nothing else. So what's the point? Someone should think about putting some kind of padded bra insert because whether they know it or not, their nips are showing!!!

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Raya
So little kids taking a pee in the water is not unhygenic ? Swimming pools are unhygenic anyways, no matter how you go in the water. So please don't blame it on the women/girls who wanna swim covered up.. they are not the ones who make the pool dirty. Misery Called Life
Hush BB, don't spoil the fun. As long as they don't know........And if women plan to get wet try wearing white, it quite literally helps you breathe :lol: Bora Bora
Hon, you need to organize a wet tee shirt party. Bora Bora
They contribute to making the pool dirty, along with the little kids who are crapping and peeing in the water. Its not only the kids who are peeing in the water, I'm sure there are plenty of adults who contribute. If you kid has to wear diapers it's a sure bet they can't control their bladder. Swimming pools are unhygenic, but why add to it? How much chlorine has to be used to kill all the crap deposited in the water?
I saw a small child in the water with his nappy blown up with water; damn thing looked like it weighed 5 kgs. Mom took him out, put on a one piece outfit, put him back in the water and when they lifted him out after a while there was a load of crap pulling his outfit down. I thought I was going to throw up. Of course, Mom and family had a good laugh at it. Thought it was cute and funny I guess. Oh, forgot to mention, Mom had her burkini on, making her contribution to the pool as well. What makes me sick is that they don't even shower before going into the pool to at least rinse the sweat off. As far as I'm concerned, you might as well go swim in a cess pool. Raya So now ofcourse only the mums who wear a burkini have kids who pee and phoo in the pool.. the mums who wear a bikini ofcourse don't have peeing and phooing babies ! News flash: i don't wear a burkini dear ! Metaphor79
If the purpose of wearing a burkini is following Islamic dress code then the purpose is not served at all . As far as I know Islam says a woman dress should cover her body and should not describe her body details "Curves". So the burkini doesn't serve its purpose.
Bora Bora has a valid point about the showing nipples. I love that scene :twisted:
Plus if a burkini woman is really in swimming, if she cant afford her private swimming pool then she can try joining a women only pool where she can swim even in a bikini.
Like in Dubai, Wild Wadi has a ladies only night.
Done! Next Raya Really ??? does it show nippels ? if it does then i agree with you Metaphor79. In that case its better to swim in their private pools or only on ladies days/nights. Bora Bora
News flash for you: I didn't say that it was only those who wear burkinis . My point was the total disregard to how pools are further contaminated. Westerners are guilty of the same disgusting contribution to pools. And where did I make reference to what you wear? I couldn't care less if you wore a potato sack, a thong or nothing at all. :roll:
Don't take it so personal hon. Pools are community toilets for many who use it. But it would serve people better if the mums and dads of babies who have no control over their bladder and bowels went to the childrens pool Then the can all pee in the same spot. A family that pees together swims together? Bora Bora
Well said.
Chocoholic
Well that's all very nice in theory and in Islamic countries, but in the majority of countries there are no ladies only nights or pools just for women. kanelli I think it is ridiculous - there has to be a compromise. Maybe women could wear the 100% synthetic wetsuit kind that is closer fitting, but still covers the skin. If competitive swimmers can wear almost full-body suits and many pools have scuba diving courses where people are in wearing wetsuits, then why not allow a burkini? Red Chief
It's as ridiculoous as forcing European women to cover their bodies from top to toe in the ugly dresses or jeans in the Shopping Malls in Dubai or Sharjah. Raya
HHmm im an European woman and nobody forced me to cover up from head to toe in the shopping malls or in Sharjah... This is about BURKINIS in FRANCE not about COVERING UP IN UAE ! kanelli It doesn't infringe on my rights to wear a long sleeved shirt and pants/skirt, as long as I wouldn't be forced to be draped in a sheet, including my face. I would never agree to live in a country if I had to dress like that every day. So, I guess the same could be said for Muslim women living in France. If they are unable to cover how they feel they need to for religious reasons, they will have to consider leaving the country. I just don't see why France is being so prejudiced about it. Covering a face is a problem, but who really cares about head scarves and loose clothing? Let them be! Bora Bora Misery Called Life
Head scarves and loose clothing are not a problem in France. They only banned the burqa. France is really quite liberal, and I doubt someone would leave France citing lack of religious freedom.
How can pool authorities allow a burqini? Even men are asked to only wear swimming trunks when entering the pool, no other undergarments allowed.
If conservative women want to swim, just invest in a full body suit
(the ones that pro swimmers use) or one of those scuba diving suits. Problem solved! Misery Called Life
Better brace yourself for a rude wake up call, one of these days :) Raya
That's not gonna happen trust me, i am fully aware that i am in a muslim country, so i adjust myself and stay out of trouble .. its so easy sometimes :lol: kanelli Headscarves are banned in French schools, as are other religious symbols. desertdudeshj
This made me laugh out loud ! and at the same time pi$$ed off. I've always been ticked off by inconsiderate parents by bring in kids where they shouldn't be. Atleast well behaved kids would be alright.
Wheter it be resturants when some unruly kids are running around and make a general racket and being a nusiance to everone, and the family thinks how cute !
I've even gone to see movies where some dumb asses bring in such runts. Or people who insist on bringing in twin side by side strollers into small supermarket isles !
Aargh ! I could go on forever.
Anyways end of comercial break, back to regular programming. Red Chief
Exactly, about BURKINI in France. I am thinking how one private decision in remoted French village concerns to DUBAI FORUM or Milsims at all.
It doen't happen in Dubai or UAE. It isn't the law that was launch by French parlament.
Why all this storm in the tea-cup?
About Sharjah you were lucky. That's it. I saw personaly how security asked mum of three to leave Sahara Mall in front of her kids because of her skirt didn't cover her knee only.
There are a lot of as weird as described decision in Sharjah beach hotels but nobody writes about them in the World media.
If you know where you live why don't you think that people in France should respect some tradition of this beatiful country? Raya yes really ! I know my quote ..no need to make the letters bold dear. still i never said its a womans fault.. thats what you wanna think i said but i never did. Raya
I think there are bigger problems in the world then a shopping mall in Sarjah, where women have to cover up their knees...lol
will say this one more time: YOU ARE IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY ! The women need to cover up their pretty knees and bosems for their own good, thats if they want to stay out of trouble in the shopping malls or where ever. In every shopping mall they have this signs with pictures that you have to cover up so i really don't understand why women still try to go shopping in mini skirts. :?: :!: Metaphor79 That was wise, Raya. Raya thanks Metaphor :wink: Chocoholic
er no that was not a wise thing to say! 'Women need to cover up for THEIR OWN GOOD!' - WHOA wait a minute, you're exactly the kind of person with the attitude that I really don't like! You make it sound as if it's the womans fault! Maybe OTHER people (men I should say) need to learn some self control. Instead of pointing the finger at women, maybe you should look at how the other gender are not emotional control and how they cause problems. Metaphor79 Well Choco, tell me why do women wear provocative clothes?? Just to look good?? No honey, majority of women who dress like that want to grab men’s attention. They want to look $exy, the way they dress screams: “Hey hey men I’m almost naked, look at me please notice my presence” So you just can’t accuse men of lacking self control. You simply can’t leave your jewelry on the road and expect people to have self control and not think of looking at and stealing them. A woman can dress in a very decent way and still look gorgeous without having to show a lot of skin. A woman who respects herself and perceives herself as a woman and not a $ex object will dress decently and won’t make a show out of her body. Flying Dutchman
So how come, when men show a lot of skin, women are able to control themselves? You make it sound its all the womans fault. Like this sheikh in Australia, right... desertdudeshj Have you ever thought maybe its not just the other gender. Most women even non muslims comming from conservative cultures or background might be embarassed or feel uncomfortable with this ? I know for a fact that an American family living in Al Ain for quite sometime and whenever then visit a place like MOE in dubai are quite shocked and always say they walk around with there eyes planted to the floor most of the time. I'm quite liberal and grew up in this place and worked with europeans most of my working life and bikinis on the beach or even people screwing in the desert does not bother me. But when you just go to relax and all you is see is Fuck fest 2009 all around you. I must admit even I feel a bit uncomfortable. Although majority of the women even in their short skirts or sleeveless tank tops are ok, but there is alway this hand full bunch who just seams to be really testing the limits. This never happened a few years back even when there was a big western expats community here, on have witnessed this phenomena recently and probally thats why I think some rules and regulations have been put, before it goes too far and you'll see women in bikinis and thongs walking around the city. P.S : As always, its usually not the western i.e Europeans and Americans doing this. Its those overly "westernised" Arab/Iranian females i.e Labanese ( now pretending to be canandians ) Too much wannabes going around and pushing their so called new found freedoms. Metaphor79
Both women and men should dress decently. A man who shows a lot of skin is sick and hallow inside. He has nothing but the muscles he tries to seduce women with. Chocoholic OMG - you have some serious issues dude. I don't disagree that there is a time and a palce for everything. However, to point the finger and say it's a womans fault for dressing a certain way is stupid. How about some women dress a certain way 'for themselves!!!!', to make themselves feel good? No don't suppose you would, would you. I think you ned to get out more. Metaphor79
Oh so now you're hitting at personal level now? lame so lame of you. You can't argure my point, sweetie!
Well I'm gonna take your advice and try to feel good about myself by walking nude in MOE. You can catch the early show. :lol: Chocoholic Again missing the point. desertdudeshj Ofcourse. People do including myself do dress up for themselves and ofcouse thant makes you feel special walking around looking all sharp and snazzy. But you can easily make out such behaviour. Even the guys like said before walking around wearing 2 sizes smaller spandex sleeveless T-shirts looking all trashy are walking around like a worm on a hook waiting for a fish to bite are idiots. Same with the women, You can easily make out women who are dressed even in a not so conservative manner dressed to kill. But I don't see how a girl just barely out of her teens wearing a bra less tube top a little wider than a rubber band with boobys ready to pop out at the silghtest hint of a breeze and a kitchen towel for a skirt. With 6 inches on gawdy makeup would be dressing up for "herself". Come on now. Its these few that have forced people into taking action. Although no one likes to be told what do to. But some people just push the limits a little too much and if not put in check only gods know where it will stop. A little diffrence of culture somes into play here. I remember we had a bunch Tourist from Uruguay that we were showing around Deira City Center. And this was loooong before. And this one dude just took off his T-shirt and started to walk around without anything on except his bermudas ! And when told he couldn't do that here. He just couldn't understand it and took quite sometime to explain to him that he just can't becuase it is not considered appropriate here. He did comply but obviously still understand why ! Same case a friend told me who was working at Shj Airport at the time. A east european woman landed wearing a loosly knit jumpers with nothing underneath and according to my friend not much was being left to ones imagination. When told she would have to cover up before she could leave immigration. She made a big noise about what I can do and wear whatever ever I want. Security was brought in her boyfriend got involved who was also traveling with her and let some physical altercations with the security and the Boyfriend. End story both were lucky and sent back on the next flight. So all in all. People do have to be considerate on how they behave according to where they are. I can't go around looking like a Nazi wearing a T-shirt death to all jews and Israel anywhere in Europe and the US without suffering somekind of consequences. As for the Burkini issue. Every place has its rules and they should be followed. No where in Islam does it sayits a must that you have to go to a public swimming pool to swim and its a failed design anyways. If the person loves to swim so much. Maybe get a few ladies toghter maybe someone has a private pool at the house and organise a ladies day out. Or try to hire a private swimming pool somewhere. There are so many things that can be done. I'm out Raya Chocoholic, Whats wrong with having respect for the ruels of an Islamic country ? So now i am having an attitude that you really don't like ? BECAUSE I RESPECT THE RUELS OF AN MUSLIM COUNTRY ?? Chocoholic Again you guys totally missed the point! You took something I said and went from 0 to 100 in no time. Take a step back already. I have already said that I disagree with what many people wear, I have made that perfectly clear. And that there are times and places for wearing certain things and not others. Again I have made this absolutely clear. Stop reading between the lines. What I to totally disagree with is people saying that 'It's a womans fault'. You say things like that and you get into the realms of saying that women deserve to be treated a certain way because of how they dress. It's that opinio that is wrong, and once again, men also need to have self and emotional control and we see time and time again that certain males simply have none. Raya, of course people should show respect, but that kind of attitude and to say such things that some is responsbile for the reaction of others because of clothing, is beyond a joke and highly irresponsible. Red Chief
France is not a Muslim country. Why can't somebody respect the rules of small comunity there and go swimming somewhere else? No, she couldn't. She chose to proclaim your stuff around via World media.
Sorry, I cannot see difference between "dress code" in Sahara Mall and ban for full-dressed swimming in one village in France.
Live and let live. Is it so difficult for understanding? Chocoholic
And RC, thank you for bringing this back on topic. This is exaclty the thing that irritates me the most. People cry 'respect Islamic culture' blah blah, but when MUslims are in other countries do they respect that countries rules and laws? No, they expect everyone else to bow down to them and their wishes all the time. Raya I never said such thing as its a womans fault choco.. i just said that the women should go shopping coverd up their boobs and knees.. just because it is the ruel in the shopping malls .. for all i care they can go shop naked if that makes them happy ...ooofffff !!! chevaliers-de-sion French muzzie minister urges burka ban Urban Regeneration Minister Fadela Amara told the Financial Times that a veil covering everything but the eyes represented "the oppression of women". Ms Amara said she was "in favour of the burka not existing in my country". godsent I think there is a thin line between exercising one’s beliefs freely and respecting the laws of the country. For instance if a Caucasian woman lands in Saudi A and finds it appalling and chooses not to wear the abaya in public, I am sure she will be socially and perhaps legally prosecuted. By that instance, it is fair to say that if there is a head scarf ban in France, a European country that prices itself on modernity and secularism with the majority being non-Muslims, then it should be respected. By not wearing a headscarf/burqa/abaya, does that make a Muslim woman a lesser Muslim than a woman who wears such clothing items. I certainly would not like to think so. Hence, if such a law is instigated I think it is fair for Muslim women to wear head scarves during religious occasions, in their house, while praying etc. But keep it out of their daily social lives when interacting with the wider populace in France. Flexibility and adjusting to the general norms, protocols and culture of a country is essential for non-friction. Besides I think governments are pragmatic in Europe and they would always try to come up with a bare-minimal or flexi restriction to keep the general accord and civic harmony. Minister Fadela Amara is a commendable example of modernity and embracing the norms and core values of the country she now calls home being a Muslim of Algerian immigrant parents. p.s. Interestingly, I googled the spelling of the word "burqa" as I was unsure if it was spelt with a k or q and this is another article that was like the second hit and from today. Burqa trouble in Mangalore &theme=&usrsess=1&id=265159 viking-warrior Personally think that if the material content of a swimsuit bikini etc is greater than a sock ... ITS TOO BIG ! If you got it fault it. :) desertdudeshj and on the other side oldy but goldy from the land of Rob G I love the argument given by Frank Hedegaard from the Socialist People's Party in the end godsent I honestly think that's progress from societies that are arguably higher on the learning curve in social reforms, gender equality , business practices and government administration.
"I cannot understand what some people find so offensive about women's breasts. This decision is important in order to stop the idea that women's bodies are only sex objects," said Frank Hedegaard from the Socialist People's Party.
Now this is highly pragmatic and funny. :lol:

"We don't define what bathing suits men should wear so it doesn't make much sense to do it for women. And besides, it's not unusual for men to have large breasts that resemble women's breasts,"



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