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female-to-male ratio in Dubai re western expats?


Globetrotter Hi, I suppose that's the right forum to post this question - it's kinda romance related :D This we I discussed the demographics of Dubai with a friend of mine (regarding western expats between 20 and 35): He stated that the femal to male ratio must be 2:1, since many Western expat girls are working here in the service industry (mainly tourism), from my experience however, the ratio is 1:1 at best (or all girls -apart from the ones from Eastern Europe- are hiding as soon as I arrive... :lol: ) What's your bet? Looking forward to your answers!
Globetrotter C'mon, please give me some estimates. Legendkiller girls 5 - guys 1...if we also count the working girls..if u know what i mean :P Globetrotter :lol: ... I know what you mean dude ... What do you think is the ratio re "normal" western girls vs. western guys? scarlet A little bit of maths might be useful here. Total Population Dubai: 1.3 million Femal population: 330,000 Ethnic groups: from CIA world factbook Emirati 19%, other Arab and Iranian 23%, South Asian 50%, other expatriates (includes Westerners and East Asians) 8% (1982) OK 1.3 million x 8% = 104,000 Females are about 27% of population so 104,000 x 27% = 28,000 so 4:1 scarlet oops double post constantine
nicely done scarlet...
hmmm and in my words "it's a suasage fest here folks".... :wink: ^ian^ Yup, quite a lot of desperate Rtards in Dubai. Globetrotter Thanks for the replies. However, I know the figures from CIA factbook, which are from 1982 by the way. The question is not about the female to male ratio in general, but concerning WESTERN EXPATS in the age range between 20 and 35. Since CIA obviously included the workforce from India & Pakistan as well (a huge majority of whom is clearly male), the CIA figures do not provide the statistics to answer our question. I appreciate your efforts though, Scarlet! What are your "clubbing" observations on that matter? scarlet OK another more recent site i found said the workforce has only 8% ladies - which I ignored because one would assume that there is more ladies in western workforce. AND Wikipedia says there are 100,000 western expats here as well. Also you must assume that the majority of expats are between 20-35 (see age thread poll on this forum) Now from a clubbing perspective - it ranges between 5-1 and 8-1 men to ladies (in the non hooker bars)

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scarlet Here is population by gender and age for the emirate of dubai ^ian^
Hey, these people need love too! scarlet globe trooter the 50% soth asian is indian and pakistani MaaaD This thread has made me wonder if the results of census 2005 were ever released to the public ? MaaaD *DELETE* Dubai Knight No, the census results were never made public. However they were used to discover who was sharing in villas an apartments. The Municipality then swooped and evicted many singles and batchelors out of shared accommodation in places like Jumeirah and Umm Suqiem as they are for 'Families' only. The reality of the statistics do not account for the demographics of the population. Many females are Philipinas working in the hospitality, hotel and retail industries, maids & nannies etc. Many males are Indian, working in the construction industry. Take these out of the equasion and the ratio is probably nearer 5:1 male to female. That would be a 'Beef sausage' fest... :lol: :lol: :lol: Knight ^ian^
Well at Fibbers last night there were about 100 guys and 3 females.
Still, that's the kind of place it is I suppose. asc_26
The subject line is "female to male ratio western expats". huh! :? Dubai Knight True...missed that! OK, so there may be more female 'Western' expats here, but there is a much higher proportion of Arab, Levant and North African male expats here than western male expats...makes it harder for the western guys to compete without a Karama fake Armani suit, stupid pointy shoes, a hair style with more Brylcream than a 1960's holiday camp and a flash Merc bought on 5 maxed out credit cards... :shock: :shock: :shock: Knight
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Dk, it is ok to assumed that whenever i see men wearing Karama fake Armani suit, stupid pointy shoes, a hair style with more Brylcream than a 1960's holiday camp and a flash Merc bought on 5 maxed out credit cards... they're arabs and that makes it difficult for western guys to compete with them because of the above reasons. :wink: tell me please.. Dubai Knight
You'll notice I included expat Arab, LEVANT and NORTH AFRICAN in that...
...and yes it's difficult to compete becuase a lot of girls just look at the bling and think the guy is really rich. I saw a 'guy of Levantine origin' in a club order a magnum of champagne (on a credit card) to impress a group of western girls, which it did as one of them went home with him, and 2 days later I saw him again...he served me a pair of shoes in Massimo Dutti!
A lot of girls love it and fall for the bullshit, then complain when they find out the berk is broke and lives in a shared bedsit in Karama! If a girl was to look further than the slime ball with the champagne bottle, then they might see the genuine guy sitting at the bar talking about something important with a mate. Thats where the real men are...and it won't be in Boudoir!
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Knight Jamal
hahahahaha ... i feel u knight .. those words straight from the heart huh ...
but u shouldnt hate on em nigga's who get there pussy like that .. they just playing wat theyve been dealt .. and if they do get the pussy .. then theyve played the game well enough ...
so stop hatin .. start participatin
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: asc_26
Well, i got this impression that you're competing for western cheap girls. ehh.. :wink: asc_26
I know you are not satisfied with our answers. Simple question is still left unanswered. :( sara_uk
DK which corner do you sit at discussing important topic with a mate :wink: Dubai Knight
I can be found in any of the non pretentious, sophisticated, genuine places in town. You will not find me in the corner either, as any of the DF members who know me will confirm!
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Knight ^ian^
It's fair to say that on the town, DK attracts plenty of attention from the fairer sex. Yes, they're all bar maids and yes, the attention is asking if he wants another pint of Guinness, but who are we to judge :D :D :D
But in all seriousness I am with DK on this point. I don't get the whole pretention thing, with a certain profile of person trying to be someone they're not. Surely even the most naive female could see through this and know what's going on.
But then you know, some women don't want any more than that. Dubai Knight
But then they moan and complain about all men here being bastards...and the genuine guys get tarred with the same brush. A genuine bloke does not need to impress a girl with a bottle of fizzy wine, or the logo on the key that is left openly on the table (love that: Cadillac Escalade key fob...Camry in the car park!) but will probably ask more questions than he answers, will be interested in what a girl has to say and will probably be looking at her eyes, not her rack!
Unless they are particularly fine of course!
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Knight ^ian^
Yes that is true to a large extent, but the male species as a whole has created this situation throughout the years.
That and I blame Hollywood. Every woman is looking for the kind of relationship and the kind of love they read about in books and see in the movies.
Real love and real relationships are sadly a lot messier, and I'm not sure Dubai has the right elements for real love to form, and it takes a lot of work for real love to survive.

But a genuine bloke should not be lazy in love. Relationships take some work to make them stay together, and I myself have been lazy in love at times. No, you shouldn't buy expensive bottles of champagne or try and impress with flash cars... this is simply unsustainable and you have to ask serious questions about a girl that wants this lifestyle all the time.
But a nice dinner every now and then, flowers, and a trip away somewhere are things that should be done on a regular basis.
Hard to do when you just meet a girl, but the genuine ones aren't fooled by the posers of the world, they've possibly seen it all before and have had to contend with the Camry shock.
You can't blame a girl for being wooed liked this though, that is what Hollywoods prescribes. i.e. Pretty Woman, you know the billionaire guy swoops the pretty but down on her luck girl off her feet?
The reality of the situation can be a hard pill to swallow if you've been brought up on a diet of Romantic Comedies.

Of course! asc_26
Bold letters above are very true, I agree with you. And genuine lady will not be impressed with what guys put openly on the table. :wink: So DK no need for you to compete with the guys you mentioned above. Do you think its worth it? :wink: :lol: Character is more important. ^ian^
Sure, but nobody instantly jumps into finding out a persons character.
Anyway, you're 50 times more likely to meet your ideal partner at work than you are in a nightclub. That says a lot. asc_26
Well, I am not fond of going to nightclubs and disco bars. With regards to finding your partner at work, i don't think so. :? What's an "ideal" partner? :wink: ^ian^
Well, I didn't say you *will* find your partner at work, but for a vast majority it happens. Perhaps because you get to know people better.
An ideal partner is somebody who doesn't throw a drink in your face :-) freza A nightclub is definitely not an ideal place to find individuals of quality. One has a good chance of meeting interesting people at the Dubai stock exchange, the race-track and Magrudy's. Or so I've been told. asc_26 [quote="^ian^"]
I was thinking something else. :lol: "ideal" - is a vague word for me. :( asc_26
Very true.. :wink: Guilo2
It pays to give CVs / resumes a closer look :D Dubai Knight Night clubs are not the place to meet new people and the likelihood of you being able to strike up a sensible conversation under bombardment from 200 decibels of Oomph Oomph sound system make it impossible anyway. Try coffee shops. You will often see guys sitting just reading the paper or a book and chilling out. If a girl were to walk up and say 'Hi, mind if I sit here?' normally the guy will oblige. If he is 'spoken for' or just not interested or not wanting company, he will also probably say straight out. That saves a girl wasted time and effort and a quick glance at his reading material will probably give you a clue to the type of person he is. 8) 8) 8) Knight Sal3112 Hi I'm new to the forum and have been reading this thread with interest. I've been in Dubai 9months now and am thoroughly depressed with the mentality out here. I came here on my own, not knowing anyone here and for the first couple of months I had to force myself to go out to places after work to try and meet people to make friends / find a boyfriend. But I just got so fed up with the amount of guys that would approach me thinking that I was a 'lady of negotiable affection' and the girls who would be nasty to me and ignore me because they presumed the same. I received the same treatment if I tried to approach them, be it male or female, in a bar, coffee house, shop, gym (well not the hooker accusation in the gym, but just being totally ignored) or otherwise. Most of it down to the mindset that 'obviously a blonde female on her own in a bar/coffee house etc must be a hooker'. It was very upsetting. If anyone had just taken a minute to have a normal conversation with me, they'd have found out I'm a nice girl from Scotland with a law degree and working in the oil and gas industry! I got so fed up of it, that I gave up on the whole thing and started spending my evenings either working late or sitting at home alone. Then it got to about July and I realised how lonely I was without even a person I could call a friend! So, I forced myself to go out again, not anticipating the summer crowd. Middle-aged married men with their wife and kids back home to UK/USA etc for the summer and wanting a bit of summer fun on the side - no thanks! Also, I was still being asked if I was 'open for business' which was getting a bit tiring. Recently, work has been a little quiet so I've started trying to socialise again in the evenings. It seems the guys out here have a new chat up line - "what airline do you work for?". I am so fed up of explaining to them that I'm not an air steward and then have them walk away suddenly disinterested, that I've just started to reply "Emirates". I'm actually so fed-up of it now that when I go out because I fancy a wee drink, I am known as 'the girl with the book' in most bars, as I take a book to read with me as a sign that I'm there to relax and not for business / to be picked up. Work-wise, I made a pretty decent move to come to Dubai (apart from the drop in salary and the increased cost of living). Personally/socially, I spend 99% of my time hating it here. With most people treating this place as though they're permanently on holiday and most guys (well the ones that I have met and the stories that I've heard from others) believe it's ok to treat you badly and just mess you around have a fling, most of them already seeing at least one other girl. Where are all the nice guys hiding?!?!?!!! sara_uk
they are all here in DF 8) First of all welcome to the forum and I really sympathise with you it must be hard coming to new country and feeling lonely but I would say go for the forums meetings and you will meet nice people and can make friends. I know you saying you feeling lonely but sadly even in here you will get unwanted messages now!! So be careful there are a lot of perverts here who never post but just send private messages to girls. Just read here and post and iam sure you will make a lot of friends ^ian^ There are so many Emirates girls that invade the bars in squadrons though, you can understand why people might think that. The worst thing about some (not all) Emirates girls is though, they don't get paid a lot, and when are in a group situation they make an early departure before the bill arrives. Very annoying, I think they get together and swap secrets on how to trade on their looks in Dubai. Perhaps I'm being harsh, but this is all from individual experience. sara_uk
huh?? iam lost here what are you on Ian? :? ^ian^
I am sure others will understand. Nick81
Thanks for the ad Sara!
And yup, you should definitely try and join us at one of the DF meetings. You'll get to meet ppl from various countries and have the opportunity to make some friends! the_zooter
I'll bare this in mind Ian - which bars are these, erm purely to make sure I never venture to them when I'm next in Dubai, obviously! ^ian^
It would perhaps be quicker to list the bars they're not at ;-) the_zooter
Perhaps a lot easier if you just show me the next time I'm in town?? Purely in the interests of increasing the research on this topic, obviously! asc_26
:( :( Poor Ian. ^ian^
Um... why do you say that? :shock: ^ian^
Zooter, in the interest of science, Dr. D will take you on an expedition so that you can see the specimens in real life and observe their behaviour.
Purely, as I said, in the interest of science. Dubai Knight
Oh dear...another of our scientific evenings involving fermented chemicals of dubious origin? Great!
Sal 3112: Stick with the forum girl, there are some really nice and very genuine people here (there are some arseholes as well!) but you will find the best of the best here! Its an old adage, however the Emirates Hosty thing breaks down to the standard rule...
There are 3 certainties in life:
Death
Taxes
and an Air Hostess!
Keep the faith!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Knight ^ian^
You love it. Can we not meet up with other-halves this time though? The mixture of alcohol and us men being flirtatious casanovas (were you really a Fighter Pilot?) always causes a stir :P Sal3112 It's great to hear all the stories and opinions from people here. I found that Longs is the worst place for people to expect you to be an Emirates Hostie if you're female... It's not too bad I guess. I know a couple of nice Emirates Hosties, but it's rather frustrating when everyone assumes that's what you are. It's even more frustrating when they're no longer interested when they find out I'm not!!! My theory for that is, a lot of guys like Hosties because it means the girl is away a lot, which means that they feel as though they are not tied to the girlie all the time, and while the cat's away... back to my theory that most guys in Dubai are players who seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to have more than one girl on the go at the same time. I was sort of seeing a guy recently. About a week ago a small group of us went out, and we met up with this guy who was out with some of his work colleagues (it was all pre-arranged so that we could see each other). I soon realised how much of a player he was - when he thought I wasn't looking he was all over a girl that he worked with, but as soon as I was around he was all over me. I can't believe he thought he could get away with it. His excuse? "It's not like things between me and her are serious as there's been no sex". He thought it was perfectly ok to have as many girls as he wanted to on the go at the same time as long as he didn't have sex with them!!! Kinda resigned to the fact that I'll have to wait until I'm somewhere better to find a partner. Either back home in the UK, or Australia (which is where I hope to go to next). ^ian^
Sounds like you've just fallen in with the wrong crowd (or no crowd). hack88 nice table...thnkz for da info:D Globetrotter Ok, thanks for all the insights. I've watched "Desert Nights" last week-end. Hence I know, that I shouldn't expect any genuine Western expat females at "Cyclone"... But where to go to? Where would one meet the genuine Western expat crowd? Would you kindly provide me with your insights? Best regards! nbrill So what is the ratio like for western guys to western girls? It seems (from the forums and peoples comments) that there are a fair number of western girls, but not that many young, single western guys. Am I wrong here? I guess I'll learn more when I visit. asc_26 Couldn't give you the exact ratio, you may estimate the ratio for yourself once you're already here in dubai. :D Agent Smith
yes, because ALL of dubai's expats post of these forums scarlet Genuine or western? Two different things. Waxy O Conners in Bur Dubai and Rockbottom near Burjuman Dubai Knight
Can't guarantee the quality or the sobriety of them in these establishments though!
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Knight dubaimisfit Rather: you can guarantee their insobriety :-D Tried to talk to one english teacher there, lost sight of her 4 two minutes, when I'd found her to say "we didn't finish the conversation" she said "what conversation?" The next thing I see is her gettin in a cab with (or rather being carried by) some Hulk. Did someone mention "friends in Dubai"? Gimme a break. Or maybe it's because I'm fresh here? Peach_Girl :lol: :lol: the original locals r %5 in fact , if u take off the irani and the bulooshi who had the citizenship lool Jamal if u take them away ... then no one would even be here arguin about where the local's are from .. cause dubai wouldnt be the place that it is .. we wouldnt even have a forum called the dubai forums .. are u gettin my drift?



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