alexandra
it takes only a look back on the topics that were debated a while ago...and it seems to me (maybe i am wrong) that a lot of us have lost the ability to have a normal discussion without making most of the threads end up in fight club or being deleted.
yes Df has changed in good ways and bad ways. i guess that everyone in here can feel the diff. since they first registered and how it is now.
personally when i first had a look on DF my first impression was that it seemed to be a bit exclusive...the ppl who were posting were a bunch of regulars and as a first look it was pretty fun to be in here.
i still like DF though, otherwise i would not be in here ( i guess that there is something about DF that makes u addicted)...and i miss some of the veterans.
well this is how i see things but i am sure u will need more opinions than the little things i saied. :wink:
sauron
Explain for a relative newcomer - what has changed? :?:
bushra21
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oh how i miss thee Dubai Forums of old
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freza
bushra,
I think that your complaining about personal insults on here and such is almost as if I were complaining about it - no one stopped you from participating in personal insults threads not too long ago...
Also all you have to do is search thru DF's humble beginnings to see that squabbles and insults have always been part of this place. Look at the bright side of all this - at least the fights revealed some members true personalities.
concord,
I agree with you to some extent but I don't think it's fair to blame everything on S&O. I think his intentions are ultimately good. I however disagree with the offending threads being moved, they should be edited instead but from my understanding this is a time consuming process and as we can see Sage has kinda been left alone here to clean up the G forum from so much spam - maybe he doesn't have the time to be editing? There have been too many spammers and silly 3-post new members lately ..... I think admin can work something out per Ian's suggestions and try to avoid most spamming so fewer threads get deleted, sent off, etc.
Edited: due to boringness
bushra21
- sauron wrote:
Explain for a relative newcomer - what has changed? :?:
the people weren't as personal as before -- no personal attacks, no picking fights, no categorizing....well, at least not as much as they are now.
to be honest, most of the people on here have become total assholes, and its making the forums suck.
you can't have this kind of avatar, this kind of signature.
the mods can delete whatever they want.
this isn't a forum anymore -- its like a highschool classroom....
its not a place where people can enjoy themselves, take a break from reality, have fun, RELAX....
and that is why it sucks and i miss the old forums.
cyrix
why?
Concord
I agree and have no qualms about saying why this forum now sucks. In the old days it was clear who the trolls, jackasses and troublemakers were. The answer to them was simple either ignore them, edit their posts or quietly move them.
Since this clown Sage & Onion joined, he tries to impose his phony morality on all and at the drop of a hat a thread is move because of "innapropriate" language, etc.
here is what I wrote 4 months ago on August 15th.
- concord wrote:
Arniegang, I note that this new member Sage & Onion is now a moderator :shock: I think you jumped the gun on this one and he was made a moderator because you felt bad that his silly "word game" was deleted and he was quite upset about it - that should give you a clue. I think this guy will ruin the forum. I've never met the guy and for all I care he is probably he nicest guy in town. Nevertheless, this forum is virtual: a place to have fun and even say things one would not otherwise say in real life. My impression is that this Sage & Onion guy is replacing his reality and impossing "morality" on this forum.
I hope I am wrong but I can just see many of the veterans leaving this place because most will be bored by the same bland stuff. If you think about it, just read the last 10-20 posts by Liban for example. If S&G were around then he would have either been banned, posts deleted, or moved. This would apply to many of the veterans.
Well I will probably get a lot of grief from S&G (or the post deleted) but what the hay...
.
In addittion, the "private" clubs contributed to the demise...
P.S. My post will either be deleted or moved to fight club. But reserve psychology says it may not...
sauron
As a newbie, I have to say that I haven't seen much of Arnie since I joined. There are quite a lot of cliques on the forum - fair enough, that happens in any 'organisation' after a while. But both Sage and Bushra are active in all departments - they're proactive, maintain a sense of humour and are a lot more objective than a lot of the other regulars.
Oh, and add Bleakus to the above...............he's cool too.
175bpm
i love the drama
to be honest most of the posts these days are very lame
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Jamal
ppl nowadays on the forums are sooo phonie .. then even throwin an insult at em is worthless ... thats why da drama be dyin down homie .... too many rule's always fuck's things up .... let it be seen now ...
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fayz
you can't jst blame S&O, we're all to blame, always pointing the finger at one person is pretty much the personal attacks that Bushy is speaking of above.
Jamal
we tryin to bring back the drama :wink:
Jeevan
ISnt it obvious that most of the topics are not even worth a second mention nowadays, no discussions which are worthwhile, no informative posts, no strong debates nothing like the old DF.
MOst of the old timers are turning to lurkers now hoping that some interesting topic might come up:). not to blame any particular people but DF just seems to have lost it.
Hopefully things shud change for better soon or DF would be just another posting message board on the web.
Cheers,
J
175bpm
- Jeevan wrote:
ISnt it obvious that most of the topics are not even worth a second mention nowadays, no discussions which are worthwhile, no informative posts, no strong debates nothing like the old DF.
J
couldnt agree more :cry:
kanelli
Yeah, the topics are really lame nowadays in most forums. Especially the politics forum is always full of anti-West sentiment and conspiracy theories. Booooring!
We have a huge influx of newbie questions from people who can't bother to use the search function or read further in the specific forums.
We have a few trolls who have come because they have a personal beef against some DF people who have all been sleeping with each other at some point or another.
We get the trolls who are only here to harass people in the politics and religion and romance forums.
We had private forums created that aren't really necessary and just serve to divide people.
We have topics being put into the wrong forums, moved to Fight Club on a whim, or deleted completely for some biased reason.
We get people who like to hack into private forums and plaster the info on their own website.
We get people who delight in getting a rise out of other forumers just to have a bit of personal fun, no matter what cost to the atmosphere of the forum.
We get people who constantly post useless posts and start useless threads, just to see their post count go up.
YES, some of this has been going on since the forum first came into creation, but when too much crap happens in a short space of time it drives people away. I'm certainly losing interest in this forum...
bushra21
- freza wrote:
bushra,
I think that your complaining about personal insults on here and such is almost as if I were complaining about it - no one stopped you from participating in personal insults threads not too long ago...
Also all you have to do is search thru DF's humble beginnings to see that squabbles and insults have always been part of this place. Look at the bright side of all this - at least the fights revealed some members true personalities.
yeah i know i am included in what df has now become, --- but that is just becuase its not the same as it was before. its not fun anymore. nothing interesting is left -- its all crap
and the personal insults that i was talking about where what fayz had said... placing blame on one person and blah blah blah.
its just not intersting anymore and it sucks
yorky500
I tend to agree with most of the issues raised above and we certainly cannot point the finger/blame one person only.
Its no fun being a Mod, esp one who is almost completely left on his own to moderate all the forums as best he can. There are a lot of 1 time posters who put stuff in the incorrect forum when there is actually a dedicated Forum for the post. I agree this should be moved.
I also agree that threads should be Edited by the Mods, but with literally only one Mod on the boards most of the time, this is a lot to ask. The DF has gotten a lot bigger than it used to be with lots of mods being appointed, but a lot of them are not around any more.
If most of you remember the Forums of old, attacks and insults were left to the Fight Club only, and not in General or Politics and the like (one or two exceptions). These days, every single forum is a place to either attack or get attacked. We, sadly, are all guilty.
Also, I find Concords constant attack on S&O childish and boring. He will not miss an opportunity to have a go at perhaps the 1 remaining Mod who actually gives a fuck about this Forum. Concord, why not put yourself forward for a Mod job and lets see how you handle it, you are great at criticizing other Mods, lets see how you do.
kanelli
Yes, Sage & Onion certainly has been on his own to run things. He's likely doing the best he can. Still, we have every right to speak up when we think some thread has been misdirected or the moderation hasn't been fair.
yorky500
- kanelli wrote:
Yes, Sage & Onion certainly has been on his own to run things. He's likely doing the best he can. Still, we have every right to speak up when we think some thread has been misdirected or the moderation hasn't been fair.
K,
I totally agree, but what the hell is the guy supposed to do on his own?
DF is not a small forum anymore as it used to be with perhaps 10-15 people on the boards. Its gotten a hell of a lot bigger.
Its too big for 1 guy to moderate. How would you like to do the job? Would you? Could you do a better job?
bushra21
I would be a moderator to help out since im on here a lot - especially at night when most of the stuff/spam goes on -- but i dont think people would be too happy about that idea.
kanelli
- yorky500 wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
Yes, Sage & Onion certainly has been on his own to run things. He's likely doing the best he can. Still, we have every right to speak up when we think some thread has been misdirected or the moderation hasn't been fair.
K,
I totally agree, but what the hell is the guy supposed to do on his own?
DF is not a small forum anymore as it used to be with perhaps 10-15 people on the boards. Its gotten a hell of a lot bigger.
Its too big for 1 guy to moderate. How would you like to do the job? Would you? Could you do a better job?
I have been a moderator before on another forum, but there were too many moderators with too many different ideas for how things should be moderated, so the board had a meltdown. I cringe at the thought of being a moderator again. Maybe someday, but not right now. Besides, I don't plan to be here much unless the old DF spirit picks up again (if it picks up again).
I highly recommend that only a few moderators moderate the forums - not a whole army- and they should be people who are here a lot, but also people who can be trusted to put personal feelings aside and moderate according to fair and consistent rules. Admin and the small group of mods should make the rules together and list them in the private moderating forum. For example, don't delete something unless it could shut the forum down due to its content (UAE rules, or breech of TOS and COC's for service provider), or unless it is spam. Move all flaming threads to Fight Club, but clearly define what flaming is - e.g. People swearing at each other and turning the thread into personal insults. Clearly define forum contents and move threads to the appropriate forums. Close threads if they no longer serve a purpose or if they go far off topic. Notify any forumer if their avatar or signature breaks the TOS or COC's for the service provider you are using.
Bushra, I agree - you would not make a good moderator at this time. It seems you have enough on your plate at the moment anyway, and moderating on this forum would only add more stress to your life.
Frankly, it is hard to determine who makes a good moderator until you see what they end up doing once they have the power. Admin has to be strong and remove any moderator who is not doing his/her job or not doing a good job according to the moderating criteria set forth in the private moderating forum.
asc_26
- bushra21 wrote:
I would be a moderator to help out since im on here a lot - especially at night when most of the stuff/spam goes on -- but i dont think people would be too happy about that idea.
I will be happy with the idea. Most of the moderators are male, i think its about time to have some balance on here and Let's all see where DF goes. :wink:
freza
it's cute how some of us complaining about how boring certain things are here are so painfully boring ourselves! :shock:
Sage needs some serious help around here, if bushra wants to help out, why not? (Also to be honest, I prefer Sage's moderating even with the disappearing-threads than Arnie's penchant for
threats and slaps on the hand)
bushra21
kanelli,
Is this why you do not want me to become a moderator...
because I am trying to work through my issues...
I SWEAR
:cry:
Jeevan
Have to agree with K on this one the forum is dying a slow death. Nothing of interest on here now. i keep on coming back hoping there might be something interesting on here, check the messages, see theres nothing offensive in my section and buzz off :)
But will keep on coming back hoping some day it will be the same old forum as it used to be. coz this is the place where i made friends after i came to dubai and lot of information that helped me.
In between if u dont find me on here as often as before u know where to find me:)
Cheers,
J
kanelli
- bushra21 wrote:
kanelli,
Is this why you do not want me to become a moderator...
because I am trying to work through my issues...
I SWEAR
:cry:
Bushra, actually no, didn't see that thread. I was briefly reading the blog you have linked to every single post on this forum ("Ramblings of me"). Sorry, but sounds like your life is quite a mess right now. If you don't want anyone reading about your personal problems, then don't ask us to by posting your blog link all over the forum. Hey, it is just my opinion. You have other people here who don't mind seeing you as a mod. Just ask to be made a mod and let Admin decide.
Freza, some of us might be boring according to your opinion, but you are consistently insulting people on this forum and getting into flame wars. A whole group of the ladies didn't even trust you to let you into the Ladies Forum because of how you treat people on here. That should say something about how you are viewed on this forum. I have primarily been in flame wars with Liban and you because of personal attacks made to me first. Outside of that I am trying to give advice and contribute to this forum in a positive way, unlike you who only likes to dig into political topics or pick on anyone you think posts in a stupid manner in any other forum. I turn up in person to events and represent myself on here as I would in person. It really is a shame that so many other regulars have disappeared and I am likely going to do the same thing. We had a nice community going here. Seems like the people who only like to sit behind their computers and rile people up are winning.
sage & onion
- kanelli wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
kanelli,
Is this why you do not want me to become a moderator...
because I am trying to work through my issues...
I SWEAR
:cry:
Bushra, actually no, didn't see that thread. I was briefly reading the blog you have linked to every single post on this forum ("Ramblings of me"). Sorry, but sounds like your life is quite a mess right now. If you don't want anyone reading about your personal problems, then don't ask us to by posting your blog link all over the forum. Hey, it is just my opinion. You have other people here who don't mind seeing you as a mod. Just ask to be made a mod and let Admin decide.
Freza, some of us might be boring according to your opinion, but you are consistently insulting people on this forum and getting into flame wars. A whole group of the ladies didn't even trust you to let you into the Ladies Forum because of how you treat people on here. That should say something about how you are viewed on this forum. I have primarily been in flame wars with Liban and you because of personal attacks made to me first. Outside of that I am trying to give advice and contribute to this forum in a positive way, unlike you who only likes to dig into political topics or pick on anyone you think posts in a stupid manner in any other forum. I turn up in person to events and represent myself on here as I would in person. It really is a shame that so many other regulars have disappeared and I am likely going to do the same thing. We had a nice community going here. Seems like the people who only like to sit behind their computers and rile people up are winning.
K,
Thats what is called "Hitting the Nail on the Head" :wink:
Have a great day.
bushra21
- kanelli wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
kanelli,
Is this why you do not want me to become a moderator...
because I am trying to work through my issues...
I SWEAR
:cry:
Bushra, actually no, didn't see that thread. I was briefly reading the blog you have linked to every single post on this forum ("Ramblings of me"). Sorry, but sounds like your life is quite a mess right now. If you don't want anyone reading about your personal problems, then don't ask us to by posting your blog link all over the forum. Hey, it is just my opinion. You have other people here who don't mind seeing you as a mod. Just ask to be made a mod and let Admin decide.
Freza, some of us might be boring according to your opinion, but you are consistently insulting people on this forum and getting into flame wars. A whole group of the ladies didn't even trust you to let you into the Ladies Forum because of how you treat people on here. That should say something about how you are viewed on this forum. I have primarily been in flame wars with Liban and you because of personal attacks made to me first. Outside of that I am trying to give advice and contribute to this forum in a positive way, unlike you who only likes to dig into political topics or pick on anyone you think posts in a stupid manner in any other forum. I turn up in person to events and represent myself on here as I would in person. It really is a shame that so many other regulars have disappeared and I am likely going to do the same thing. We had a nice community going here. Seems like the people who only like to sit behind their computers and rile people up are winning.
I know that Kanelli....I was just trying to making a joke. You know, to havea good laugh. I'm not that stupid. Why do you think I said that I doubt most would want me to be mod in the first place.
kanelli
I don't think you are stupid at all. I didn't read the thread and am not sure what you mean with the humour part. Maybe this is yet another case of humour missing the mark in an online setting. Truthfully, I tend to save humour for meeting in person because it is so often misinterpreted online and can end up in a flame.
freza
you see lady, I didn't take it to a personal level, but you did.....what are you proving here? I think you've done something counterintuitive (to the thread's point)... :?
- kanelli wrote:
Freza, some of us might be boring according to your opinion, but you are consistently insulting people on this forum and getting into flame wars.
Not that consistently - I have my phases. I have no problem admitting that I'm boring - I like discussing politics - that automatically makes me quite a boring person. You seem to be boring by nature though...
Quote:
- That should say something about how you are viewed on this forum.
Well how are
you viewed on this forum? It seems some people think you're extremely biased, stubborn, wacky-emotional and preachy (and that's just putting it nicely.)
Quote:
- I turn up in person to events and represent myself on here as I would in person.
If I were to turn up to an event, would you call me a Saddam-lover, West-hater and then strike that (in)famous phony smile(y) of yours (:lol:) ?
I have no interests in Dubai meets, but I'm thankful to DF for giving me something to do when I had completed my work at the office but I still had hours to spare, when I missed Dubai while away from it, when I needed to search important or not so important info, etc. etc. And I've met some few, but really cool/quality people from the forum. So I'm apparently this persona non grata to you peeps, oh well... the virtual world reflecting life for you. Personally I'm not someone to let negativity of others here affect me, not here not anywhere - I'm a bit beyond that stuff not withstanding my notorious immaturity, so I have to say that I've gotten more positive things out of this forum than negatives....
bushra21
- kanelli wrote:
I don't think you are stupid at all. I didn't read the thread and am not sure what you mean with the humour part. Maybe this is yet another case of humour missing the mark in an online setting. Truthfully, I tend to save humour for meeting in person because it is so often misinterpreted online and can end up in a flame.
well youve met me and know that i dont really talk much or at all in person...
:oops:
and the thread is the one in the romance forum, just some late night stupidity...an effort to get a good laugh out of a few people on here; something that hasn't been happening to often.
in any case, i dont really care either way, i just thought id offer to help since im usually on here a lot especially at night. i dont think my personal problems should have anything to do with just cleaning up an internet forum.
about my blog; i know i added it to my signature, i dont really mind -- i mean i did post it on the internet so obviously people will be seeing it, but the thing is if people dont want to read it or see it they dont have to click it or go to that site. You know that :D
kanelli
- freza wrote:
you see lady, I didn't take it to a personal level, but you did.....what are you proving here? I think you've done something counterintuitive (to the thread's point)... :?
- kanelli wrote:
Freza, some of us might be boring according to your opinion, but you are consistently insulting people on this forum and getting into flame wars.
Not that consistently - I have my phases. I have no problem admitting that I'm boring - I like discussing politics - that automatically makes me quite a boring person. You seem to be boring by nature though...
Quote:
- That should say something about how you are viewed on this forum.
Well how are you viewed on this forum? It seems some people think you're extremely biased, stubborn, wacky-emotional and preachy (and that's just putting it nicely.)
Quote:
- I turn up in person to events and represent myself on here as I would in person.
If I were to turn up to an event, would you call me a Saddam-lover, West-hater and then strike that (in)famous phony smile(y) of yours (:lol:) ?
I have no interests in Dubai meets, but I'm thankful to DF for giving me something to do when I had completed my work at the office but I still had hours to spare, when I missed Dubai while away from it, when I needed to search important or not so important info, etc. etc. And I've met some few, but really cool/quality people from the forum. So I'm apparently this persona non grata to you peeps, oh well... the virtual world reflecting life for you. Personally I'm not someone to let negativity of others here affect me, not here not anywhere - I'm a bit beyond that stuff not withstanding my notorious immaturity, so I have to say that I've gotten more positive things out of this forum than negatives....
Freza, this is getting so tedious. Grow up!
I am the first person to admit that I am opinionated and stubborn, but that doesn't mean I am preachy. I am most certainly not wacky-emotional, but there are a few other people on here who would fit that category, but since they share the same political views as you Freza you won't mention them. :lol: Some people think I am square because I've never had sordid affairs and I don't like se.x.is.t images used for avatars, and I don't like drunkeness and cigarette smoke and drugs. I have been and always will be a "square" person. Do you think I care what people think about that? As a friend I am fun, caring, consistent, loyal, and straightforward. I have been a good community member here, giving advice and staying on topic as best I can. Some other people like to have a laugh at other people's expense and act like trolls. Maybe some people are here to have some fun without responsibility, but I am here because I wanted to find a community of friends (which doesn't exclude having fun, but a more appropriate form of fun!)
Freza, yes, if we had a discussion in person I would have the same kind of debates. I don't recall you ever saying that Saddam was a hero of the Middle East, so I probably wouldn't call you a Saddam-lover. Ask anyone who has met me if I have given my opinion outright when we have been discussing and they will tell you "Yes". Ask any of my DF friends if I am a phoney with how I post and how I act in person. They will tell you you are wrong.
Freza, you have no interest in Dubai meets because you like to post what you want here and not put your face out there, except with a select few you have chosen to meet (if you really have met anyone). You are constantly harsh to people and you think you are an expert on every topic and you belittle anyone who disagrees with you. I don't think you are a bad person, I just don't like how you treat people when you are on this forum.
This is the last I am going to say on this topic. I'm quite fed up with your constant accusations of my lack of intelligence and my alleged phoniness. You are a rude person to constantly harass me on these points like you do, especially when you have never had the guts to meet me in person and everything you say is false. Move along and find some other target for your nastiness. I'm not going to pay any further attention to you.
Nick81
Freza pick me , pick me! :lol:
kanelli
Nick, stop kissing Freza's ass. It is Admin who selects the moderators, not Freza.
freza
hold on, let me go find my whip ....
Nick81
- kanelli wrote:
Nick, stop kissing Freza's a#s. It is Admin who selects the moderators, not Freza.
Oh come on K. cheer up! You shouldn't take things too seriously...
kanelli
Well, you shouldn't take kissing Freza's ass so seriously :lol:
freza
nick, can we leave my azz alone and focus on my other parts ... er, ahem, I mean, on other things...DF things, yeah, that's what I meant.
cyrix
:roll:
why do you guys have to fight all the time? let people be!...
rammie
Arriving Sunday i guess my previous very few posts about 5 aside footie etc, meeting up aint goin to happen ........eh oh ......looks like i joined the forum at a bad time?
cyrix
well there is going to be paintball two weeks from now....so that shud be fun..the last time i was there..it was great! :)
freza
oh dear, we're setting a bad example, again :?
Don't pay attention to the arguments lovelies, this is just the way some of us treat each other, we're used to it. Don't let this scare you away, there are some nice people here too!
bushra21
- freza wrote:
oh dear, we're setting a bad example, again :?
Don't pay attention to the arguments lovelies, this is just the way some of us treat each other, we're used to it. Don't let this scare you away, there are some nice people here too!
I feel neglected :(
sage & onion
- bushra21 wrote:
- freza wrote:
oh dear, we're setting a bad example, again :?
Don't pay attention to the arguments lovelies, this is just the way some of us treat each other, we're used to it. Don't let this scare you away, there are some nice people here too!
I feel neglected :(
Wsup Girl???
kanelli
Nick, please come back and flirt with Bushra, she feels left out. :lol:
Palkid7
well I can come up with an interesting topic to make her feel the centre of attention !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Right Bushra !?!?
BTW how is ur driving :lol: :lol: :lol:
Burken
Yallah people. We can solve this by starting to hang in IRC! The Forum can
be more "serious" then, cause people can throw shit on each other or just
hang out and relax in the channel.
scot1870
Obviously I don't know what the DF of old was like, but my experience is that it's often the people with a large amount of posts who stir up the most, so can't put it all at the newbies (although I like to stick my oar in now and again 8) ).
Granted, not all of the old-timers are like this, could be just some folks reply to anything to get attention.
zam
MY HEAD ACHES SO BAD!!!
I just read 4 pages of nonesense...oops :oops:
oh well maybe this is the new trend now, talk about how boring DF is and who can be a good moderator! There thanks to all of you, Im up to date! :wink:
bushra21
You are quite welcome Zam. Happy to be of help :D
Also, I'm feeling neglected by Freza -- she has completely thrown me aside and focused on everyone else...she hasn't even said anything about my new avatar :cry:
And Palkid, my driving is doing pretty good thanks. Just got my car back from the insurance and am going to take it for service in a couple of days then off to change the tires and cleaning.... would you like a ride :twisted:
Palkid7
- bushra21 wrote:
And Palkid, my driving is doing pretty good thanks. Just got my car back from the insurance and am going to take it for service in a couple of days then off to change the tires and cleaning.... would you like a ride :twisted:
No thanks for the offer, but can u plz forward me the routes and dates u will be driving outside on the roads, just wanna make sure that I will be at home that time !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
freza
huh? Bushra, I mostly diss you and when I don't, you miss it? Who understands you people, Thooter was right...you are all mad in here.
Ok the avatar.. You apparently have a barely visible mouth. Why are you sucking in your cheeks? Trying to imitate a fish? What's up with the side-face contouring? Blush is supposed to go on the apples of the cheeks, you're doing the 80's blush thing, so passé...I like the smoky eye makeup and the earrings though.
bushra21
- freza wrote:
huh? Bushra, I mostly diss you and when I don't, you miss it? Who understands you people, Thooter was right...you are all mad in here.
Ok the avatar.. You apparently have a barely visible mouth. Why are you sucking in your cheeks? Trying to imitate a fish? What's up with the side-face contouring? Blush is supposed to go on the apples of the cheeks, you're doing the 80's blush thing, so passé...I like the smoky eye makeup and the earrings though.
:oops:
The order has been restored. Thank you...