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herve i spent 4 years in Dubai after i was invited by the chairman of Dubai world, at the begining everything was nice, when they need you, Emirati's are always helping and smiling, i developed a state of the art manufacturing company for Sultan Bin Sulayem, but then they lost interest quickly to move on something else and everything snapped, betrayal, blackmail, my passport was confiscated , i was sacrificed until i reimburse the company expenses! i am not talking about my debts here, i had none what so ever, they blamed me for just normal company expenditures, in Dubai, know that a manager, a CEO are personally and financially can be held responsible for losses caused by their employer's decisions, and jailed with no charges, indefinitely, i had no other choice but to escape on a dinghy and cross the arabian sea for 8 days in order to go back home. There is nothing worth to take the risk to travel or live in this anachronistic and ruthless society, there are so many genuine places and beautiful beaches elsewhere in the world, don' try Dubai, it is a trap, a golden cage, you can lose everything. my story is on
Snow :) Look on the bright side. Atleast you got to write a book after you adventure... rudeboy before you ventured into dubai you knew pretty well what you were getting yourself into. simply the money was good so you decided to move in now everything is bad you decide to bad mouth dubai and make money out of your experience. hmmmmm RobbyG
@ rudeboy:
What do you know about this guy! Don't talk about individual you don't know. If this guy's story turns out to be true, he shows us simply the other side of the coin.
When will you grow up rudeboy and understand the world is not roses for everyone!?
@ herve:
Anyway: I have some scepsis about your story. Why would you head for water in the Gulf, pass through highly guarded straits of Hormuz (Iran, UAE, Oman and US navy patrolls there!!) So tell me, why not travel to Oman and take a dingy from Oman? Much shorteR!!
Awaiting your reply herve. herve you are absolutely right about the heavily patroled straight of ormuz, and it is smart for you to notice, i escaped from fujairah area, on a friday when everybody was praying. Oman was indeed a good option, even if i would have had to "jump" the fence. it was not easy, it took me a long preparation, 2 months. @rudeboy, it is not about bad mouthing, it is about the truth. beleive it or not i went to Dubai with promises and on the shake of a hand with his excellency. i had no idea that 3 years later i would be threatened to be tortured. i got out because they picked on the wrong guy. there is no reason to keep a scandal like that quiet when Dubai claims to be an open society. many others are trapped or imprisoned without charges, so i will speak out RobbyG Since you have an interesting backstory for us to read someday soon. I was wondering if you can explain to me why you have been so badly treated, because I for once don't believe 'his excellency' would decree such a threat like torturing. Can you explain why this all happened to you. Did you gave them some sort of reason for their behaviour if this is all true. I'm willing to adhere to the story but I'm having a bit of trouble finding it all plausible. Is this faction of fiction or maybe a combination of that? Can you share us your reasoning about this? hamadl The way I understand your story is that the government has nothing to do with whatever happened to you.. It seems like you had a bad experience with ONE individual (who works for the government) but the business you both had was private/personal. If that is correct, that would mean that you probably had a disagreement between yourself and your employer (maybe partner?) and you got in trouble.. That can happen anywhere not only in Dubai, it can happen in France and/or the US. Similarly, many UAE nationals trusted expats with businesses and lost everything they had, the expats just went back to their countries and left the UAE nationals in trouble over here. Unless I misunderstood your situation?? Del
Does the name Steve Trutch ring a bell? smoggie
Who was that? Del
Trutch was at one point one of Mo's right hand men. He would decide which construction firm, for example, would get the brief to widen Maktoum Bridge/build the golf club by the creek etc etc.
But he was either taking a back-hander or would create the construction companies!
He wasn't allowed to join a golf club in England, so he built his own golf course somewhere up north.
Mo sued him for US$100million (it went to the High Court in London) and I believe he got most of it back.
Trutch is banned from Dubai but his wife has a few businesses here.
The joke was Mo only hired Trutch because the guy had a beard!

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rudeboy
Serves him right. honestly speaking this is the time when all the "rubbish" will be cleared out of dubai. ppl like trutch should have been banned from day 1. rudeboy
please provide evidence. if you dont have evidence you will just post your opinion which i dont know whether it is true or not.
honestly speaking i can stand up tommorow and say i was tortured but will it be true? herve @rudeboy bare with me rudeboy and watch it is coming, indeed i am not going to disclose here the proofs , obviously this is not the place, and i dont even know who you are, it will be in the widest exposure for everyone to know that Dubai is a fraud. There is more to come in prime time news. the idiots who threatened me to be tortured did not know who they were dealing with, i can tell you now, that i had a concealed recorder on me, and that i got it all on tape. i think it is pretty good enough. can you only fathom what kinds of balls it requires to walk in a police station for questionning with a wire on yourself. so yes i can stand up tomorrow, release the transcripts, and the phone number of the moron who threatened me. i can do it not only for myself but for many others who cant speak out because they are trapped. As far as my little "excursion" i have all the paperwork to prove what i say, trust me when you write a book, lawyers check everything. anyways you want to beleive what suits you, so there are no proof that can go against that. a last you give me the opportunity to tell about another good one , a little embarrassing for them , the boat i escaped on, i purchased it under a phony name, bill of sale in hand, to HH Sheikh Khaled Bin Zayed Al Nahayan, the royal family helped me out but of course they did not know. my book is full of little surprises like that. @robbyG of course Sultan would not decree himself torture threats, his people did, which is the same. to respond to your question let me say first i have not done anything wrong or other than what i have been asked by Sultan himself. second when somebody gets robbed, do you ask him if he gave a reason to the robber to be robbed. or if a woman gets raped do you ask her if she gave a reason to be raped? no, of course you go after the morons. even if I had done something bad, i should have been either fired or sued, regardless nothing, and nobody, can justify passport confiscation, blackmail, coercion and torture threats. by doing so they completely discredited themselves, and i would love to see their lawyers go after me. RobbyG Me biased? You are pulling up a smoke curtain by saying that to me. I'm merely questioning some of your encounters with the Dubai authorities. You should welcome that, as I try to adhere to your story. You might as well develop a big book writing Ponzi scheme like Bernie Madoff did, only he (Madoff) did it a few years longer and a few billions larger in size. If you want to be plausible, don't pull a curtain with me. Open yourself and I might buy your book one day... Think about that reasoning. ;) herve RobbyG, it took me a long time to understand why this happened, and half of my book to explain. it is difficult to explain this here in a few lines, and i dont want to pull a curtain on you. They put me through hell for 9 month. my best advice to anyone when a situation like this begins would be :do not trust ANY Emirati, do not try to understand, RUN ! ignore it and suffer the worst consequences. if you cannot trust someone like Sultan bin sulayem who else can you trust? i should have listened the warnings when i moved to Dubai. i am now warning others. in short i was sacrificed, blamed for someone else bad decisions and bad business, somebody was looking for a scape goat, and they picked the westerner, like always. it happened to me, like others before, it is still going on and will happen again. bezor As you say, we have to wait to see your proof. But regarding UAE sultans, if so, they have a looooong way to go to even get close to the likes of Switzerland’s sultans. They simply took the money from the Jews and let the Germans kill them. That’s why they had to pay several billions in “damages” in the 90: s. I’m not saying this did not happen to you. I’m saying it happens everywhere and that’s it. Have you heard about the Syrian arms dealer in US jail? US told him to sell arms to Iraq during IRAN-IRAQ war. Then they told him to sell to Iran to use the money in Nicaragua. He got scared. He told US the Arabs would kill him for this betrayal. US got angry with him and put him in jail in Florida where CBS 60 minutes interviewed him and he told the whole story to them too. I think he is still in jail. And they took his passport. :( sage & onion
He was never actually hired, I believe he was seconded from John Laing Construction sage & onion
Is the book available? RobbyG from June 2009. Little more patience. Ask his shirt off first :D
Del
Something like that.
Either way, he ripped off Mo something rotten - loss of face and all that. rudeboy
yeh came across an indian top guy in Etisalat who prefers some money before doing any business with you. rudeboy
is some1 having me on? is this a bandit :D Speedhump
I guess this thread doesn't need to turn into YET ANOTHER anti-Indian rant. Can I suggest this post is ignored :D rudeboy
OH CUM ON I havent even started yet Guvnor. oh come on :D sage & onion
Yeah, it all hit the fan back in 92/93, caused some serious problems for quite a few Companies here. Del
PM RobbyG I'm kinda interested in your book Herve. You're website did pursway me to read it so I'm gonna buy your book after June this year. I'm looking forward to it! Sounds exciting ;) Though horrific for you ahamed fake stuff.. google it .. might be a variant of those nigerian email scams ! a loot i say..asking you to buy a book!? is this stuff in the media or in the papers.. even in wikipedia.. this fellow has posted the same thing as posted in df..i highly doubt it herve ahamed....what is it that you doubt actually, my escape? what hapened to me, or what? doubt it all you want, just give it time, it is coming in the media and the papers. And when it comes it is going to hit hard their reputation and expose what really is the Emirati society. With the proofs. my full story, how i made it, why it hapened and why Dubai is overrated and should be avoided. Everything is fabricated, from celebrities who are bought hard cash to perfom for advertising dubai, celebrities who bought a villa on the palm island, this is all fake, to lure people to put money in Dubai. i will come up later with names. i was working for the government, very close to the highest officials, with access to confidential information that i am about to reveal. Dont you think that at this point i have everything to back it up as disturbing as it may be for the Emirati's. when i was in Dubai they kept me under duress for 9 months, i was living in fear, took away my passport and blackmailed me. but now that i got out, i am going to expose the whole thing. i am a recognized engineer and inventor, a former navy officer and secret agent, what credentials, or what have you done in your life to accuse me. of course you have the right to question me, be sceptical, and doubt it, but dont you dare accuse me to be a nigerian scam. ahamed i hope that 4 words in my post were clear.
i am doubtful of what you are claiming has happened to you..since you understand that me or anyone who is reading your post has to right to doubt it and ask questions.
if your post is true, then i would love to see it in media and in the papers and acknowledge what the reality is along with a proof against the people with whom you had so said terrible experience.
and If your story has happened in your real life, then i owe you a big applause and would consider the successfull escape you have made.
however, you have to proove it. anything that can back you up & assist you on confronting them.
what you see is what you get..
i ll go through your website..but again.. in your story..citation is needed ;)
best of luck RobbyG Herve, Could it be that Dubai authorities were troubling with your background because of the 1994 arrest at Gare de Lyon? I read you been sentenced for two years in jail for intimidation and possession of arms etc... loaded Smith and Wesson undsofort. ;) after your naval activities for the French army. Hows that issue in relation to your escape? rudeboy robbyg beat me too it. I was gonna ask the geeza whether he has a criminal past. well hes been in jail and that says alot about him. Y DO all CRIMINALS COME IN DUBAI???? blooody good ridance i say. herve Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear this matter: this story is a fake, i was in the US at the time and lived in the US ever since, and before i went to Dubai, i have no criminal records what so ever. Dubai authorities knew about it, checked it, and if that story was true, they would never have hired me. What they did not know however is that I was a former secret agent, they found that later when a reporter revealed it in a news paper. but that did not stop them to persecute me. They are the ones who came to my place to ask me to go to Dubai, i did not go to Dubai to look for a job. Dubai World does extensive background checks prior to hiring anybody. Actually they would never bring it forward now because a law suit for slender would come right back at them. As of you, it is normal to ask since it is there. but now you know. but do not beleive a story only because it fits you. if anyone was sceptical about my story, so should they be about this story, this story does not even bother me because it does not make any sense. anyone can check criminal records in France, and there is just none on me. If i had a criminal record do you think i would come forward with a book and this way all over the internet, and obviously it does not even fit my profile. look on internet i have given hundreds of interviews when i started to build submarines, all these reporters checked it too, and never mentioned it because it is baseless. rudeboy you mentioned you are spy right. y not write a book about you and your adventure in afghanistan and how you were tracking down osama bin ladin. just mention the word islamic, muslim, terroist and bin ladin in your book and you will have a hit. hell you can just make it up as you go along if you want no1 will know :D. trust me it will get more hits then writing about your experience in dubai ;). rudeboy i always thought spy's never tell anyone that they are spys :S. thats the FIRST RULE MAN. YoU dont TAlk aBout it and you DOnT TEll Anyone. cum on. herve oh la la rudeboy, you got it the wrong way, i am french, i worked in afghanistan, shortly yes, but it was to help the mujahedeen fighting the Russians. i dont want to write enything about this, because nobody betrade me on either side and there is nothing new to write about it. I was betrade in Dubai. i worked for 10 years throughout the middle east as a covert operative. i have met nice people and i have met "nasty" people so to speak, at peace and at war, but the worst kind of people, i found it where i expected it the least: in Dubai. nobody is denying to me that a story of a french entrepreneur and engineer, former spy, who was hired by Sultan Bin Sulayem to build a submarine factory, who was then coerced, blackmailed, persecuted, went into hiding in dubai and then escaped to india across the arabian sea on a boat purchased to a member of the royal family, is a huge story, and real. i dont need to convince you that soon, there is going to be a movie about it. i dont want to write anything on muslims, i have good friends actually who are muslims, i want to write against the Emirati's and expose the fraud that is Dubai. it is not me who revealed i was a spy, i agree with you, a spy never says he is or was a spy, it is a french reporter who revealed it, but it is another story, so after that the hell with it, no reason to hide anymore. RobbyG You're an interesting man Herve, I've been reading a bunch of articles about your (former) company Exomos/Palm Marine. What intriques me is your entrepreneur-ship. Especially the private submersible market looks very exciting. Just came past an old UAE job offer. Nearly offered my services to you. But you probably don't need a stubborn jr. aerospace engineer in your submersibles ;) Again, I'm looking forward to your book in June. How the hell did your hard working Dubai 'fairytale' go this wrong!?! Am I able to obtain an early copy? 8) rudeboy
mujahdeen fighthing the russians heheh thats the FIRST ONE I have ever heard on this forum. congratulations you are the first person to ever admit that those guys were mujahdeen. i wonder what you feel about them now ;).
what i want to know is why india? why not pakistan? Or even Afghanistan where there is a strong USA force base. Why not even go to the french embassy? Or why not Qatar where again you will find a USA base. hmmm
2ndly there is always another side to an argument. i wonder what the other geeza has to say in defence. herve i am sure the other "geeza" will have a story that fits you better.... however i would like to know how they can justify coercion and torture threats. i mean is it ok with you, regardless if the person is guily or not. all the gcc countries are connected to the same police system, which means if you have a travel ban in Dubai, it is in the system of all gcc countries, they catch you in qatar they send you right back, even if you have a new passport. how do you go to afghanisthan by boat? that is a good one. pakistan is a little bit of a risk with what s going on there right now, arriving in pakistan without a passport, pretending to be a tourist is not really a good idea. us or french embassies in the UAE never help, just one guy represents little against huge political and economic UAE interests, even if he is a refugee, dont count on it. Really within 800 miles radius, india is the only friendly country where it is acceptable to sail the ocean as a tourist, and there is french embassy who does not give a damn of the UAE. Besides because of the way the UAE treats indians in the UAE, india is not about to help the UAE. Misery Called Life Finally sumtin exiting gng on in this forum! If anyone finds Herve's story implausable, he should read, Gregory David Roberts book - Shantaram! Herve my man, were u inspired by this book? Wenever this the book comes out, DF members should probably ask RobbyG to book them a copy, since it may very well be banned here! sage & onion
I would think it would almost certainly be banned here. uaekid man you got trouble written all over you and your life stories, sorry to say this but hey I guess now you are a USA enemy since you helped the mujahedeen at any point LOL man I for one will stay away from even responding to your posts from no on ! since the 9/11 , the world just need a hint that you are 1% connected to those guys gives them the right to put you away for life. seeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu RedKite If that book is turned into a film, as claimed, what will it do for the Dubai tourist economy? Will the UAE govt put pressure .........ECONOMIC pressure ....on the US , UK or French govts to STOP the film being made in any of those countries , I wonder? Hollywood is in the USA and USA companies galore are earning big bucks in the UAE. So , what will happen behind the scenes, I wonder? Misery Called Life
I think Herve was referring to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, where the USA actively supported the mujahideen to destabilize the russians! Everytinthing was done in a very secretive manner! Diplomatically USA denied any inteferance in Afghanistan! So it seems likely, that US and European spies were in Afghanistan, overseeing operations..... RedKite Of course! If the book is published, large excerpts can easily appear on the internet. That is impossible to stop. Misery Called Life Even Shantaram is being made into a movie, starring Johnny Depp.... In the book, inspired from real life events, people were recruited from bombay, to fight alongside the mujahideen...Came as a embarrassment, for the Indian govt. Wunder how the movie pans out! Misery Called Life
Even if this book does come out, and is made into a movie, i doubt it will affect Dubai's economy at all! Mayb a lil discomfiture for a few persons involved! It will probably help dubai's economy as more directors will wanna shoot spy movies with dubai as a backdrop! Maybe even a James Bond film! Ian Fleming would be so proud! sage & onion The book if written will do nothing to Dubai, plenty already written and ignored. RedKite To be fair Herve. When Dubai employed you, they did NOT KNOW YOU WERE A FORMER SECRET AGENT. Well , how did you expect them to see you in the same light afterwards, once they found out ? As far as they would know, you could still have been a spy whilst working in Dubai. They would question why you were in Dubai at all , because you had not told them fully of your background. You say you had met "Nice people and nasty people " in your time in the Middle East. Well ,you were an undercover agent. What is THAT to do with anything "nice" ?? Surely it is to do with deviousness involving death of someone or other? Maybe not directly.....but your spy work would have ended in SOMEONE's death . The Mujahadeen were not in a tea party with the Russian Army!! Young Russians were being shot and blown up. If you were in that line of work, how can you talk about "nice and nasty" ? As far as I can see , a spy is someone who PRETENDS TO BE NICE AND INNOCENT , but whose work involves UNDERCOVER NASTINESS!! How can a SPY complain about tough treatment ? You did not live in a cuddly ,lovey-dovey world, exactly!!! Those who live by the sword should be prepared to die by the sword. RedKite By the way Robby. Why is no-one accusing Herve of "spamming" with a link to his book every time he writes? When I mentioned , I was told it was "spam". Yet you mention your own Invezztor blog as well, with Google ads on it. What about "pots and kettles", Robby ?? Actually you have written a good blog on Dubai and admitted what I have been saying since January......although you have said much more. hamadl After reading all the posts including Herve's comments and defences, I still think the below is the nost sensible post in this topic..

I think its all about money, nothing else would make sense!!! uaekid
write anything bad about Dubai and you will be welcomed , this is the policy here ,I thought you knew this by know :wink: uaekid
write anything bad about Dubai and you will be welcomed , this is the policy here ,I thought you knew this by know :wink: RobbyG
@RedKite;
Its all relative. I didn't mind the first few times you put up that website. Then you post that link every time you can. Thats promotion and you didn't even come out for it while i asked you several times indirectly.
Anyway, I learned a lesson from that and put my modest weblog in the signature beam below. So every message I post, gives a reader the opportunity to click on it for himself without having to stick the hyperlink in as you do in many accasions...sometimes off-topic.
See the kettle in perspective and you'll agree. Honestly ;)
@Rudeboy;
Its nothing bad about Dubai :lol: Its reality, now face it.
Get off a that bed of roses you're on. Below the rosebed are thorns hiding...
@Herve;
How's the company going by the way? Still entrepreneuring? rudeboy
i wish good luck to herve. not sure what he is trying to achieve exactly. but good luck to him.
just cant believe to what extent some ppl will do. honestly speaking i cant really believe he has the time to come on a forum and say he is a spy. bloody hell if i was a spy and knew how to manufacture a submarine, hell i would be travelling around the world in my lil submarine. but i guess ppl look for an easy way out.
herve i am not going to argue with you and cant stop you from what you are doing. but the fact is not everyone is the same. not every emarati is the same. and not every muslim is the same.
I feel for you, i understand that yes maybe they were harsh on you and yes they went to extreme lengths but the fact is this is a hard time for everyone. not just you or me but everyone worldwide but do you see everyone else coming out with a movie or a book about their bad experience in dubai just to make a few "quick" quids? dresden ^ I'm going to hold off my opinion until the facts are laid out. (Which by the way is not the best thing to do on an internet forum). Furthermore, on his website he has a few pictures regarding the operations of the business, (and even a pic with Richard Branson)... Not that it matters too much. Like I said before, I'll hold off. I have my opinions regarding Dubai and the people who call it home, but everyone else has their opinions as well. I hope you can shed light and give solid PROOF, without a SHRED OF DOUBT, about the unseen of Dubai. Everyone knows that Dubai is one giant facade. It's not really groundbreaking news. The infringement on human life DIRECTLY by the Ruling family however, THAT IS BREAKING NEWS! My $0.02 or .07 AED for what its worth. rudeboy
no wonder there was a terroist bombing in mumbhai :D RobbyG
It is amazing that Herve keeps trying to communicate with you :lol:
Its like entering a dead-end road...and at the end, you throw rocks at him.
Are you raised in Gaza or something :wink:
:lol: viking-warrior Hey there, just stumbled across this ... know how it is - spare time after the pub ! I worked for the same overall organisation as Herve ... I can confirm this much, they will use any means possible to make sure that you leave with less than you arrived, that includes false accusations, fabrication of evidence, confiscation of passports, police complaints, arrest, detention (ask Mat Joyce) and frankly the higher up the pay scale the nastier they are. I was aware of Herve, his company, his past & for those of you living with your heads in the clouds, that he indeed got out in the manner described, and please believe me when I tell you that the executive hot line burned red hot once that news got out. Well done Herve. Take a look at what is going on in Nakheel - the CFO KT, a guy who had his choice of division, department, business at his finger tips would rather leave than run the gauntlet of the xenophobic auditors and over enthused and under qualified yokels wanting the reins of power - maybe he had a half used pack of PostIt notes in his briefcase and got scared ..... Anyone running a book on when Chris O'Donnell leaves? (or gets exited) My money is on September, right after handing over the reigns to Aldar @RudeBoy I hope that the gov.dept that you work for pay you enough to justify you selling your soul to what in the end will be remembered only for its excess and indentured slavery. Take a look in the mirror, is there a green frog looking back? Well that would be because you are a muppet. herve Actually rudeboy had a point, if i managed to get to the country and walk the streets without being checked by immigration, navy, police or coast guards, then terrorists could do it with bombs and guns, and that is exactly what happened. but it could happened anywhere with trained people, not just india. even in dubai. it is very difficult to prevent anyways unless transforming a country into a georges orwell world. even Dubai is not free from illegal entry, the same way i got out, the same way I could get in. and it is not uaekid who could stop me . i explain how i did it in my book. all the details. i know all emirati's are not the same, i feel sorry for them to live under a dicatorship without knowing it. i know hardship is affecting many people, but i have the capacity to tell my story, and with it others will come out to speak out, because, true, i was not the only one in this situation. when i was a spy, yes , i lived by the sword, somewhat, accepting the risks and all. the difference with my dubai experience, is that i quit the service 10 years before, i was a different man, family man, business man, not a spy to live by the sword or expecting to be attacked. in dubai i was betrade, i was friend with sultan, going to gogo girls bars in africa, the next day he threw me to his wolves like he never met me before. i did not know you can't be friend with an emirati, it is only based on interest, the minute they lose interest they stab you in the back. but i am a fighter and i bite. when i was undercover in certain countries i expected to find adversity or be stabbed, the problem in dubai is that i did not expect it, i went there on the shake of a hand, no money first hand and promises, to only find myself trapped later. I have nothing against the muslims, it is the Emirati's, i have never seen such hypocrisy and arrogance, wolves in sheep clothes. I expose it in my book, documented, proven, i can guarantee that after people read my book they will think twice before going to Dubai or investing there. it is not bad mouthing, it is about the truth, Dubai is a fraud and needs to be exposed so less people get caught. They will have the dilemma to ban my book or not, if they ban it, i will put accross the cover "BANNED IN DUBAI" which will prove me right and sell a hundred times more books, and if they dont ban it people in dubai will have a chance to have another perspective and ask questions. either way they will get it, i am making sure of that. RedKite Herve, A couple of things. You say your devious life as a spy was well behind you when you got to Dubai. Well, to be fair.......you did NOT divulge yourself as a spy to the Sultan did you? So when HE found out who YOU were, he changed his opinion of you !! There you were BEFRIENDING HIM......WITHOUT TELLING HIM YOU'D BEEN A PROFESSIONAL SPY !! So you had duped HIM somewhat!! He did not find out what YOU were until a journalist shopped you!! So how do you expect him to REMAIN A FRIEND?? You had not been honest with him. Besides, how would ANYONE know when you CEASED BEING A SPY?? SPYS ARE SPYS!! LIES ARE THEIR STOCK-IN-TRADE!!! WITHOUT LIES......SPIES WOULD NOT EXIST!!! I'm sorry, but once someone says THEY WERE A SPY......IT PROVES THEY WERE ONCE DISHONEST, BECAUSE SPYING IS ABOUT DEVIOUSNESS , NOT HONESTY!! Once someone is dishonest......they NEVER CEASE TO BE DISHONEST, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE DISHONEST PEOPLE. And I do not mean dishonest in a minor way !! Spying requires MAJOR LEAGUE DISHONESTY!! IT IS ......KNOWING HOW TO LOOK SOMEONE IN THE EYE , WITHOUT BLINKING, AND LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH!! I cannot even do that. RedKite Typo....Spies are Spies.....not Spys are Spys !! Did you spy that one?? RobbyG ^^^Forgets the EDIT function again^^^ I thought I'd SCREAM it to you as you otherwise would not HEAR me... ;) Misery Called Life Well According to Herve company executives travelled all the way to France to speak to him? Would'nt it been much easier to jus give him a ticket and bring him here! Besides if Robby G by snooping in the INTERNET could find out that Herve was a spy, are u tellin me that the defence forces here did'nt know? Very Fishy! And if he was a French spy, then surely the French government would intervene, the french government has very good ties with the middle east! And since when did spies start writin books...Dnt they have a gag order or sumtin? Misery Called Life Besides I doubt any1 in this forum really kno's wat spies are, or how they operate etc etc So lets quit harpin on about the spy bit Misery Called Life But if u take wat Herve is sayin at face value, dat he was an employee, who eventually got jacked, simply becuz of campany related matters, then I think its a good reminder for all expats here! Be Cautious, stay in touch with relatives or ur local embassy.......Jus Dnt take things for granted! I gues the same rules could apply for expats anywhre else in the world though! I think thats the message that Herve's wants to send out! His victimization was nutin to do with him being a spy! herve Thank you Misery and Robby, at last some sense, being a former secret agent (the spies are on the other side) had nothing to do with my troubles. lets get out of this spy thing, the people talking about it here, have absolutely no clues of what it is. The reason i mention it in my book, is because thanks to my previous experience, i had the skills to pull a stunt like this and escape from this place. and beleive me when i say that Dubai is a caged country. Ask around you, it is always when you exit the country that you get more problems and delays by the immigration, not when you get in. Dont take anything for granted, dont trust any Emirati, ask questions in writting, and do not expect any help form your embassy, you are expandable against political and economic interest. RobbyG Love your shirt Herve, very appropriate :lol: Del So.. You took a job/opened a business in Dubai (just like everyone else). Fell out with your boss/partner (happens all the time). Had your passport taken away (many companies still do this). Got threatened (nothing new there). Leave the country and decide to bad mouth Dubai (yet another disgruntled former expat). The only difference I see between your 'dramatic escape' and that of other people's is, they leave on a plane and you left on a boat. Not exactly Midnight Express material here is it? Nucleus This is you?
viking-warrior @Rudeboy - so now a gov.employee finds it acceptable to call someone a terrorist ? Amazing, I suppose given enough time and enough money you would manage to rewrite history to the extent that the universe would rotate with Dubai as its axis. If Herve's story is such cak and founded in so much humdrum drudgery - why would you dedicate so much time and bile to put the guy down. You think the audience for his book are in the Islamic states ? Cretin. The truth is already starting to knock great big chunks out of that oversized Kitty litter tray. I only wish there was a live webcam filming its demise realtime. Just think when all the intelligence, experience and the slaves have left you will only have each other to chuck rocks at ! @Coldwater - Human interest ! Who gives a dam about a 46 years old accountant who once broke his toe in a shower in Kuala Lumpur. Someone with a colorful past grabs the imagination. Andy McNab Ex-SAS sells by the truck - David Smith Auditor .......... hardly compares. @Del - walk a mile in his shoes at the time this was going on and I guarantee you would have a different perspective, its easy to strut your stuff and waffle on about normality but when your life and that of your family has been shut down, you are being interogated by the Police, your bank has been instructed to dishonour your cash and credit cards, your passports have been taken by the authorities, Etisalat are monitoring every phone call you make... it adds up mate ... then try nearly 4 months in a stinking jail for something you did not do, then its a story worth telling and if only 10% of the readers take something on board then something good came of out of it Spend enough time around the scum and it starts to rub off. Coldwater Herve. What do you expect since your book will be read by people? What do you want to be discovered by people whose will read? PS: please make no offence, but it reminds James Born (ex- spec. ops. agent) - the action hero.C Navigator We would like to read a full story. No matter truth or not - some facts and opinions about local live are very interesting! rudeboy
lol well put mate.
hervy i hate spies. spies are goverments servants to do dirty jobs. terroism around the world is happening because of you. you just pointed out how easily you were able to slip into india into mubhai. hell it could have been you who masterminded the mumbhai bombings and the muslims get a bad name.
it is because of ppl like you who created monsters like Al Qaida (which do not exist) and have made the world a unsafer world.
i dont know who you work for now. you could be working for the british and american government. hell i dont even care. everyone has gone through what you have gone through apart from the escape on the Titanic. everyone knows what UAE is like and you being a SPY am sure you knew about this dictator and what he got up to well before entering UAE ( by using your spy intelligence) yet you took the risk. you made millions you escaped and now without a job you thought hey i ll write a book about dubai. dont know whether it will be a hit or not but good luck to you. do you see anyone else writing a book about dubai when things are going hard for everyone?
piece of advice if you want a real seller write about your experience with the MUJHADEENS in afghanistan. write about the gorilla war you taught them and write about how all MUSLIMS are not alike. write about what is the difference in USSR and USA invading afghanistan. NOW that would be something that EVERYONE especially ppl in the Islamic states would be interested in reading about.
the dictator you on about is well supported by USA. and honestly speaking i dont think USA cares hell about your experience cos we all know and you SPECIALLY know what they really care about ;). Del
skipperman Interesting... With the pictures and all... I'm sure a lot of people would show interest in reading it. I don't think they would publish some articles about your claims though. News media here were said to be controlled by the governement. It is believed that everything that comes out on news papers here were handpicked to protect the country. Where will your book be released first? herve worldwide, . borders, directly from the publisher and internet orders. local press will not be allowed to comment, reproduce or publish articles. Del
EVERY country controls its media to a lesser or greater degree.
I'm not saying the UAE isn't a hotbed of corruption, but is it any worse than hundreds of other countries? Speedhump
It's not. The problem is that people move from countries where they know the system and its pitfalls, and then find themselves in an alien environment, without bothering to first find out if it will suit them or not. Then they start screaming 'it's not like home!' and writing letters to 7 Days.
:( Misery Called Life I need to get mysef a copy of 7days! Jus to see wat its all about! Speedhump
No, I'm just talking about all the expats writing in to 7 Days every day moaning about this and that. Nothing about this. Del
uaekid I think he is under estimating every ones intelligent here . RedKite Look Herve ! You are upset at your treatment in Dubai, but examine these facts:-
[1] You worked as a secret agent for France in Afghanistan helping the Mujahadeen against the Russians.
[ Did Russia know that France was helping the opposition? Have the French Govt admitted it since?]
[2] You went to Dubai to set up a company producing submarines......KEEPING YOUR PAST A SECRET !!
[3] A French journalist shopped you and revealed your past WHILST YOU WERE IN DUBAI. Is that correct?
[4] So the Dubai Government discover your past and treat you VERY DIFFERENTLY. Your friend the sultan, treats you differently.........BUT YOU NEVER TOLD HIM OF YOUR PAST!!
As far as I am concerned, the UAE govt could not be expected to TRUST YOU , because you were a spy in the past......AND MAY HAVE STILL BEEN ONE!!
It is like they say......."Once a policeman, always a policeman !"....even after they retire!!
So , after as a career as a DEVIOUS SPY, why do you expect to be treated like everyone else later......WHEN YOU DID NOT PUT "INTERNATIONAL ESPIONAGE " ON YOUR CV!! ???
Every country has secret police. God knows what they get up to. But if you were a POSSIBLE THREAT to Dubai , how do you expect to be treated by them ? RobbyG
Try and type Herve Jaubert in Google.
Every piece you read is introduced with: former French navy commander from DGSE or something alike.
Do some better research RK. Everybody can know he was a spy. The Dubai government could know what they took in, if this all mattered to them. In the mean time, he made private submarines and tactical submersibles for the government in the form of a viable business with international attention. So something is not right. Read the book ;) viking-warrior @Redkite Too much RedBull eh! You jump from assumption to assertion at the drop of a hat and arrive at your own derived facts. Fabulous. Everyone is entitled to their past and if government work was part of it then that is the end of it, even the little people have to sign non disclosure agreements. (in the UK it is called the Official Secrets Act 1911 - that forbids you revealing or detailing work undertaken on behalf of the government that has not been precleared for release, under penalty of prosecution) I think you will find that when Herve was INVITED to go to Dubai and be funded by a Government entity, the information about his past was an open secret and Sultan openly joked about it. Yes, that is his name, Sultan, he is not a "Sultan" except perhaps in the star struck eyes of those like you who would curry favour by defending a person that they have no personal exprience of. The company that Herve was responsible for building up was later taken from him with and his very existance threatened. You wonder why he is ticked off - I suggest buying the book when it comes out and forming a reasoned response of your own. The focus of the Dubai Worlds attention had nothing to do with Herve's past but I hope the detail of Dubai's deception and abuse of international convention is brought to the fore in his book, as I think you will find that there is a lot of corroberating evidence now in the international public domain to back him up. Case in point - Do you really believe that the Nakheel executive currently languishing in jail had anything to do with bribery and the embezzlement of funds? Garbage, not fit for intelligent consumption, food for gossip at the Lime Tree Cafe, Yes, a rung on the ladder for some half educated inexperienced local, Yes, but nothing else. Get a life, or a least get some experience of the real world. As someone else used as a tag line - "The Truth us Out There" - and its coming soon. Misery Called Life
I kno wat ur talkin bout.....I jus wanna read the complaints of the expats...Sumtimes some of the complaints are eye-openers, some plain hilarious, to the incredulous.......
Besides I read the Gulf News, where everyone seems to be in love with this place! With that paper, free and fact based journalism jus goes for a dive!
I'd like a more balanced perspective! uaekid ok so you got in trouble with the GOV or an individual ( shits happen ) then you ran away with no passport and now you are in USA, did you use any of your submarine to get to USA with out a passport ? - why didn't you as a western go to your embassy ? you would've been under their protection, we all know the soft policy in UAE toward westerns. never heard of someone with an extreme case not even an illegal immigrant would do such a thing. something went wrong while you were here !! you did something so bad to make you run away in boat , com'an tell us what is it ! were they going to assassin you? put you in jail with no trial and you are western from a respect country ? even if they were powerful they can't over power a western country protecting it citizen !!! you are not telling us the hall story here, it's fishy and odd. Speedhump
I know one of the editors of 7 days. They were closed down for more than a week two or three (or four) years back, I can't remember what it was they published to cause the Government to go crazy, but they were just told 'stop the presses' you're not allowed to print anything more.
They've been threatened quite a few times in the past over stories they've run, but they do seem to have some more freedom now. It is now permissible to print that locals have broken the law and ended up in jail too, not just expats! :D
Hmmm...Gulf News...where every letter is written by Indians, and is about traffic problems, and ends 'I urge the relevant authorities to look into this matter'. :D viking-warrior And this is the product of the "local" breeding program?
Dumb as a bag of hammers, sharp as a cue ball, talks the big talk but runs to daddy or the police the minute someone stands up to him.
The fact that you "never heard of someone" - is a testimony to your ignorance and your genetic disposition towards diminished responsibility.
Do you ask us to believe that there is no one currently being held in the police jails littered around Dubai with no charge and no substantive evidence against them.
You have for sure an brother uncle cousin who works for the police in one way shap or form. Ask them to take you around a few of the holding tanks underneath the police stations. There are people who have been held in limbo for extended periods far and above even your own tribal guidelines.
Thats before looking into the cases of judicial abuse, ritual torture etc etc all of which are well documented - Try a visit to Amnesty International or Fair Trials Abroad and see what response you get when you ask about Dubai and the UAE.
It is morons like you that light a fire in my gut and inspire me to get on here and support people like Herve. You just do not have it in you to simply say, "oops sorry my mistake, here is your end of service dues".
It has always got to be someone else's fault does it not, like a bunch of 11 year olds in the school playground .... uaekid wooooow :shock: easy now , you do have a reading disorder , i SAID THEY WONT TAKE YOU TO JAIL WITH OUT A TRIEL NOT A CHARG. now, regardless of this crap you just said , those ppl are doing what it takes to take criminals off the streets , if it's as bad as you pictured it with your drama play then the hall system would've clapped years ago. an example: when the British couples got caught, they were charged - sent to jail then to court for their a trial. no different than any other one. if there was anything wrong with the system the UK embassy was going to take action !!. finally who do you thing gives a rat ass about you or whom you support ? you could have a threesome with him for all I care , it is clear you are emotionally driven here by some bad history with the local system or did a criminal act so I understand your polite behavior in responding to others. and yes leave if you don't like it. viking-warrior M'Lud the defence can not add anything as the accused has more than adequately advertised his own stupidity and clear lack of understanding of the subject in hand as he wanders through the maze of life convinced of his own adequacy and ability to decipher the signs that the world throws at him. To add anything further would be cruel and wanton, and more importantly too easy. Let the world judge you for what you are and what you represent. Ah what the heck - nothing better to do ! The UK Consulate (!) has the ability to throw a tea party and precious little else, a fact my friend, that your esteemed collegues play on. Any pressure in the shaggin case was brought by the press. A fact acknowledged by the consulate. As to the system clapp down(?), news flash it has, there are hundreds of people in your jails with NO charge, all cases made by locals with a grudge and local companies looking to escape their contractual obligations. Did I have a bad experience, you believe what you like, but how stereotypical of a local to bring it down to a s*x analogy - like a dog with a stiffy - anything goes eh :lol: You are a walking self-fulfilling prophecy of your own limited ability and eventual demise. Rock on sand boy - read the manual, your corolla can be driven under 180 kmph. RedKite Viking-warrior,
Who rattled your cage?
[1] You obviously have a HUGE GRIPE with Dubai and a BIGGER CHIP on your shoulder. So why don't you relate your own history and your connection with Dubai?
What's YOUR problem? You OBVIOUSLY have one!!
[2] How well do you know Herve? What is the connection?
[3] I did not know Sultan was a NAME. Where was that explained?
[4] How do I ....or anyone ELSE KNOW that the Dubai employers KNEW about Herve's past.......AT THE TIME!!
Robby says it is all on the internet NOW......BUT WAS IT ON THE INTERNET WHEN DUBAI EMPLOYED HIM!!
NO good telling me what is on Google NOW!!
You say "Everyone is entitled to a past".........ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!!
YOUR PAST IS PART OF YOU AND SHOWS YOU IN YOUR TRUE LIGHT!
If I was an employer, I would want to KNOW that past.
It seems to me that several charlatans might be FLEEING THEIR OWN COUNTRIES to work in places like Dubai, because THEY ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.
THEY ARE HIDING FROM PROBLEMS THEY LEFT BEHIND!!
I may live in a small Welsh town, but I do NOT HIDE like you and many others . At least you know who is who in small towns.
I have lost count of the number of English people who have COME HERE TO HIDE ,AFTER RUNNING AWAY FROM DEBTS IN ENGLAND. Several of these RIFF-RAFF CONMEN have then got Welsh Govt Grants to set up businesses in Welsh towns........collected the Grant money.......then p*ssed off back to England.......TO SOME NEW TOWN within two years taking the PUBLIC grant money with them.......and leaving more debts behind here!!
CARPETBAGGING SCUM would be a correct description of this sort of Riff-Raff. Their PAST IS EVERYONE'S BUSINESS, PAL !!
Don't tell me it is NOT !!
NOW WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO HIDE?????
NOT THE CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER!! viking-warrior @RedKite How to answer that .... I am happy for you that you are Welsh, no really I don't even smile when Anne Robinson take the pees, but deduce that you have some issues and have drawn some kind of parallel with Dubai, perhaps you even spent time there and have pleasant memories, I am cool with that but as the thread is "Escape from Dubai" and was generated by Herve I feel that this is the subject matter that we should stick to - gripes and all. My story is but a sideline in a much bigger picture and will be addressed in the fullness of time, and outside of this forum I assure you. I do however find it therapeutic to engage with the supporters of a financially negligent and thoroughly corrupt society and to expose them for the sub human garbage that they are. Anyone still caught up in the media glitz surrounding dubai (locals & expats alike) are such easy targets it is an irresistable sport. With the exception of Robby no one seems to want to do any research on any of the topics or details discussed herein, and to the best of my knowledge the Welsh have not as yet set in place a government proxy filter that denies access to google. Go on try it. Dubai is a very small and young country with a disproportionate number of expatriate workers, the vast majority of which were and still are recruited and brought to Dubai by local companies and business, some are "posted" there by banks, construction and oil services companies, precious few go to live there out of a desire to flee their own country. I did read a while back about a few English VAT fraudsters living in Dubai, but I do not know of any that set up in Dubai on the back of Welsh government grants. Do I know Herve, yes, can I vouch for what he is saying, yes - the connection is Dubai World and its Chairman Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem. Why is it important for you to know that DW or Sultan knew of Herve's past - it should be enough for you to know that DW is a government entity with the resources, personnel, policies & procedures to do all the neccesary checks into someone's background and that those within DW who mattered at the time did indeed know that Herve was a former (that being the key word here) French Naval Officer and had served time with the DGSE. Everyone is indeed entitled to a past, it is an irrefutable statement of fact, and is an integral part of ones being - are you trying to say that everyone you come across in your life should first present you with a resume, personal references and current home address of past employers or are you drawing an Orwellian picture of the realtime tracking of everyone who has ever done anything remotely suspicious - but I digress, I think I answered your reference comments. Seems we have something in common, I too, just like you live in a small town and know a great number of my neighbours - we even drop by for coffee from time to time, we do not even lock our doors ! We have no need to hide. I left Dubai some time back and feel like the weight of the world had been taken from my shoulders. Working for a bunch of shylocks really takes its toll and the fawning of expats particularily the british makes me gag, even at the thought of it. OK - onto the Welsh government business scam thing - sorry you really lost me there, what with all the capital letters and exclamation marks - On behalf of the whole non Welsh English speaking world I apologize but I am on pretty thin ice here as I only went to Wales once and that was to Cardiff Arms Park, and incidentally had a great time but did not fill out any grant applications. Finally in closing, what I know is for me to know and non of your business, lets permit Herve to publish his book and we can converse again, Can't leave this without commenting on continuity and relevance as the way your post reads its a bloody incohesive rant and now its in a welsh accent Aaargh!!! Cya Later RobbyG
Do you really think I'm a numbnuts like that? I thought you had me sitting higher on the bar...
Offcourse I check the date of publication at that time BACK then. I can't remember me saying NOW. You gotta read more careful RK.
Your off the chart with this one I believe... herve Yes redkite, many expats go to dubai because they are running away from something, unemployment, family tragedy, crime, whatever. however in my case, i was in the open, an established entrepreneur, when sultan bin sulayem came to florida and invited me to go to dubai, how long have you been living in the UAE for not knowing that sultan is a name not a title. and that he is one of the most prominent UAE busiman, i did not say a good one, or one that you can trust, since he threw me to his wolves for doing my job. 2 weeks after i was hired it was all over the internet that i was a former french secret agent, they had plenty of time to figure it out and fire me if they wanted, during my months probation. they did not. 2 years later, they started to persecute me, obvioulsy the secret agent was not the reason. My friend took that picture of me in frogman and abaya, he told me no way i am going to let that go to oblivion. these pics are on the web site to support the story, when people read my book they are going to be stunned to discover why i did it and how. james bond stuff, but for real. oh boy, just wait. it s worth it. you are right red kite , once a spy always a spy, but guess what, the spy was asleep, retired and peacefull, no longer working as a spy, when those idiots decided to wake him up. and they got lucky that i "only" escaped. they will find why when they read the book, understand that i cant reveal here the whole story, it is 400 pages. but know that the UAE is an easy place to hide, not a good place to live though, do you think i could walk the New York streets with a navy seal undersea gear, knife and tactical navigation plate, no, never, ever. in dubai no problem, just put on top an abaya, some padding and you look like a woman to walk the streets, an uggly one i admit but a woman, that no one, not even a cop will dare to stop, or talk to. i was like a ninja in a ghost suit. disguised as a woman, it is total immunity. i did it, right under their nose. it is not tomorrow that the police is going to lift up abayas to see who is under, if they do, it is a big chunk of their culture that will go away. uaekid com'an herve let it all out, tell us what went wrong. you were making money for those guys ! why all the sudden change ? I understand there are evil ppl especially when it comes to money yet there is a missing link in the hall story so give us a sneak preview of your book :lol:
viking-warrior,
Behave will you, we don't want this interesting subject to go to the fight club now. and like herve all your accusations are nothing new to me or anyone else and it will be more useful making your own blog than behaving like an animal here RedKite Viking warrior, You accuse uaekid of animal behaviour, yet you use RACISM against the Welsh ! Who do you think you are ? As for capital letters; are you re-writing the laws of physics? Since when do capitals and exclamation marks emanate any NOISE?? How can you "RANT" in print?? The noise is only in the little mind of the READER , who cannot cope with simple capitals. Do the banners of French protestors bother you ? They mix capitals and lower case! You have obviously been REALLY STUNG in business in Dubai. Are you Scandinavian, by the way? Which country are you from , or is that a secret? Even Herve recognised that some who flee to Dubai are running away from debts etc. elsewhere. I did not say anything about getting Welsh GRANTS elsewhere. I said that English rogues who get grants in Wales suddenly disappear overnight , taking stolen grant money with them. Don't TWIST what I am saying. Finally, MOST people who see SULTAN as the first name of an Arab , would think it was a TITLE, not a name. I have only been to Dubai for a few days. RobbyG Grow up RedKite, How many times do we have to tell you that LARGE CAPS denote SCREAMING. Read the netiquette rules on any given internet page and its there. Take it on for once, for god sake man. herve redkite, you have been in Dubai only for a few days? beleive me then , you know nothing and you have seen nothing. wait a little and you will feel the bitter once the glitter is gone. you think you can be friend with an Emirati, too bad the higher you will fall from . i dont blame you, i was just like you when i got to Dubai. 4 years later i escaped on a boat. dont you see there is something wrong in the picture. read my book when it comes out and learn, then instead of critizising check BY YOURSELF. so many others got ruined, broke, or are detained with NO charges, or trapped with no passport. so if i were you, i would keep a low profile, and look, then ask when you know what to ask. you are living in a trap and you dont see it. Speedhump
Have to agree. Caps used sparingly just denote emphasis. Used in abundance they turn into a rant or 'flame' against someone or something and are too emotive. RedKite your posts will look much more impressive if you stop shouting, I promise. ;) sage & onion
Good advice. Speedhump
This of course is true. But how can anybody be so naieve as to decide to live in a Muslim country without doing their homework on what it's like to live there; where they KNOW the rules will be totally different to home, and KNOW that Islamic law not only is strict, but also is alien to them and must be studied before they make any move. It's not rocket science. And RobbyG is still willing to come if he finds a job!
Before I came here I did my homework, I knew that if you run over a local in your car, you go home to get your passport and your watches, and go straight to the airport, transer any money you had to leave in your bank here once you land outside the country. I also knew that bouncing a cheque is a criminal offence and one which MAY lead you to jail. I also knew that if you keep a dog be prepared to pay a lot of money if it snaps at anyone, and hope that it doesn't get put to sleep. I have no sympathy for people who saw a TV program or magazine article and just thought to themselves 'oh what a lovely place it looks, I MUST go and work there'. Simply juvenile behaviour and deserving of whatever it brings. Bora Bora
Kid, he's from France - makes him European, not Western. Sorry to disappoint you. Del
I think you'll find France is considered a Western country. sage & onion
Yes, Western European to be exact Speedhump When was French or European not Western, did I fall asleep? Bora Bora
@VW: So you think that the Nakheel executive and 12 of his associates were, what, picked at random? Many Aussies jumped to their defense because those jailed were Aussies.
But when a local or arab national is accused of the same, ohhhh, he's automatically guilty. Never ever heard anyone say that it wasnt possible that they commited a crime. Just guilty as charged. Also Lime Tree Cafe gossip.
I would have to assume that there is something connected to the charges. Why, possibly someone cut a deal and gave them up. Someone who was looking to save his own neck from his charges of criminal activity. sage & onion
Of course their are some that would like the French to be excluded from the club :lol: :lol: :lol: Speedhump
some??
you can also include most of America from what I read....
:lol: Bora Bora
I guess it is how you view it. The French were never fond of Americans anyway. Chocoholic I don't think many are fond of the French. :lol: sage & onion
The good thing about the French is the Fries :lol: Bora Bora
Well I understand that they would rather tourists just fly over France and throw their money out the window so that the French don't have to tolerate them on land. Speedhump
amd the bad thing is the flies... Speedhump
:D :D :D
That was good!
Actually it's almost automatic for Brits to say nasty things about the French, and it works the same the other way. There's a long history behind our mutual cross-Channel suspicion!
But an English friend of mine has a country cottage in the south of France where he and his wife spend a lot of time. It's on the edge of a tiny village, nobody speaks English. He says the people of the village are the nicest people you could meet anywhere, and are very patient with his schoolboy French speaking. I think I have heard that it's only the French from Paris who can be insufferable. But hey, even I have dealt with nice ones! sage & onion
Totally in agreement, nothing worse than a French Fly viking-warrior @Bora Bora Hi, my understanding from a number of former colleagues who were there is that there was nothing random about their arrest and subsequent incarceration. At this point in time there are no formal charges, no detail to be revealed. The rumour is that a sum in the region of AED 1.2 - 2.0 Billion is missing, or rather unaccounted for, from Nakheel - but if you knew anything about government business you would know that not even the CEO's of these divisions have the ability to move money around - it all goes through finance (@DW) and is approved at the highest level. That is the prime directive of the auditors crawling all over the place, find where that money went. Was the statement of the Aussie developer, allegedly, looking to pay out a kick back unduly influenced due to his passport being taken and being a guest at Bur Dubai ? We may never know, but hearsay has no place in due process, but yes you guessed it didn't you, with the exception of Dubai. No really that is not a joke. The accusation is enough. That is the only evidence that they have = nothing Please ask yourself where are the locals in this picture - in jail? Not likely. Running behind the government Khandoura shouting, "Yani, it was him, walla walla, I swear!" They may well be asked to attend the police station for questioning, but amazingly their statements normally end up as prosecution evidence, they may even, themselves, be reprimanded with a few months or a year in the employment wilderness to focus their allegiances, but after that its back to business. And yes, all fingers will turn to Adel Al Shirawi, poor sod, got to carry the can for a former UAE minister and all that crew @ DIB & Deyaar, but as sure as eggs is eggs he will pop up again very soon (relatively) in one place or another doing quite nicely, thank you very much. Dont believe me, try googling Obaid Busit, and read up on that :) A real pillor of Dubai society and an example to us all Ha ha ha. In summary it is one law for us and one for them, transparency - oh go pull the other one it plays jingle bells. p.s. I did like some of the cakes from the LTC - possible one of the few things I miss about DXB :) herve
you have to be in a situation like that or know someone to understand why these people may cut deals. this is not about guilt or innocence, it is about being trapped.
Being in prison, or have your passport confiscated in a case where money is involved, potentially carries an INDEFINITE prison term, possibly life in prison, because you cannot be released until you have paid your "alleged" debt. in addition if the person is not in jail but without his passport he loses incomes, no job, but expenses, plus lawyers fees.
It keeps adding up, after 6 months people may loose hundred thousands of dirhams, even before going to trial viking-warrior @ evening RK Racism against the Welsh? Oh come on, not one of the Welshmen I know could even utter that phrase without cracking up! Be honest you lost the plot and went way, way off track. Spent the day catching up on a few of the threads on this forum. What happened? You started out with impeccable logic: reasoning why Dubai could not survive in the current economic climate and ended up defending the country and idiots like UAEkid. Had you spent a few years dealing with the lunacy of living and surviving in Dubai then I would be more inclined to take your observations seriously, but a few days! Sweet Mary's tears, it would be funny were it not so sad. Its the great British disease in a new guise, the column inches spent deriding endeavour and success in the UK is what drives a great many of us away, yet people like you will not even let it go at that. You sit in your ivory tower in deepest Wales lobbing poo around like a mad monkey in a cage. And for Wales read, Rotherham, Nottingham, Glasgow, Bristol - where is not the issue its a Daily Mail state of mind. Get out there - do something with your life - write an investment blog (you seem to like the subject of stock market investments) you are clearly eloquent enough and appear to have some knowledge of the working of that industry (!). Go for it mate, perhaps you will do well enough that the great unwashed will turn around and start putting you down on a subject that you know well. As for that "care in the community" case, UAEkid, as I explained before, its too easy to get a rise out of him/it - half educated, illiterate, opinionated and out there, more over had you not noticed or picked up on it , he/it is a government employee specifically in place to defend and ultimately trace "problem customers" like me. And as to his "fight club" appeal - what a laugh, really, a bigger bunch of limp wristed nancy boys you would be hard pushed to find on the planet. So until he hires someone with the capability to break into a VPN and actually locate me (very unlikely) I will continue to be a thorn in his side. And how can I do that - by relating clear and relevant stories and facts in support of people like Herve who are telling the truth about a corrupt and unjust society. Simple. ps. Do you think I write like a scandinavian? That would be quite a complement to their education system were that the case. Misery Called Life U kno it's a known fact that world over men in authority often abuse their power! very few people actually have the guts to carry out expose's against these men! Few have the guts, but lack the intelligance! This man Herve seems to have both! So lets read wat he has to say. I ain't sayin he's rit, but u gotta admire the man's courage and conviction! He dramatically escaped by boat, and then found enuff willpower to actually write a book.....That's Sumtin! uaekid guts + courage = boat escap :roll: Misery Called Life
guts + courage = (successfull boat escape + book write)
()= conviction + will power :lol: herve Thank you Misery, uaekid somebody like speedhump will not apreciate, whom he admitted he was ready to pack and go on an airplane the very same day something would go wrong for him. not knowing by the way that the UK and Dubai have very strong and quick extradition treaty, and they would send him right back. in my case i tried to beleive in the system and that i could make my case go through, it took me 9 months to realise that it was not possible so i had to go to extreme measures to leave, because by then i no longer had my passport, lost a fortune and i had a travel ban on my name, in the entire GCC like any travel ban on any body by the way. Del
What did you do to upset those guys? herve i told the truth, the embarrassing truth behind the glitter of Dubai. i can understand that reaction from an Emirati Student paid by RTA to be here, or any other Emirati eager to display a good face, but why a UK citizen would be so upset, that i dont get it. like we say in French "La verite derange" Speedhump
Again, half truths. you cannot be extradited from the UK for offences which in the UK are considered minor or civil rather than criminal, for example bounced cheques, nor offences which may get you jailed for trivial matters in the UAE thereby infringing your human rights. You are not strong on facts my friend, which is why I don't believe your book will be factual enough, and it's my complete right to believe that, based on what I have seen written in these forums here by you. And you call me biased and one-sided!
Finally (and I mean finally) I never said that I would return to the UK. Why anyway would I go back there when I came here because I had had enough of the UK...... Speedhump p.s. uaekid was being sarcastic, if you note the rolling eyes. I hope the English translation of your book demonstrates better understanding of nuance than you. Perhaps that's why you fell foul of the locals anyway, you have to understand that an Arab in a business meeting may tell you an untruth face to face because he either doesn't want to make a scene or cause offence, you have to go back over things later sometimes to find true meanings, and it's very impolite to quiz them at the time about something which you know to be untrue, although in the West it's seen as a strong thing to do......you see it was you who decided to do business with them, but with your eyes closed. herve hahaha, got you, ........dont you think i know uaekid, look at his posts, look at my replies to him. my "thank you" to uaekid was a trap and you fell right in it, like a rookie. hahahaha. you are easy, man, my second bet was sageandonion. a first degree trap, i usually work on 3 rd degree trap. here is the lesson, you are predictable, i knew you would come up with a "corrective" statement. if you were a target i would have fun toying with you, and you would not even notice. At last, i know the arab mentality, who do you think you are, i worked 10 years undercover in the middle east before doing business here, in the worst possible environment, where you would probably not survived 24 hours, in manipulation, tricks, blows , civil war and treachery you would not beleive, stop it. in the end, in order to escape i manipulated these govt goons, to make them beleive what i wanted them to beleive, giving me the time to prepare for my escape. i got the upper hand all the way, i won, i thumbed my nose at them, no matter how strong you are trying to diminish what i did. dont come up with such ignorant claims about me, you have no clue with who you are dealing with. you must be unhappy in your life to hate me like that, when you dont even know me. me , i dont hate you, you are insignificant. everyword you write reflect hate, and is a lie, a baseless critics, my book is NOT an english translation, i wrote it in english, and it is edited by my publisher. you are way out of your league with me. in the mean time why dont you try to write a book in french. you are right about one thing though , when i did business with them, yes i closed my eyes, and i trusted them, my mistake. that is a lesson i learnt, do not trust an Emirati, ever. la verite derange Bora Bora
I would think that your conditioning and training as a spy would brainwash you not to trust anyone - which I would think would be spy mentality! On the other hand, as a spy weren't you trained to get people to trust you? So don't play the innocent victim. sage & onion
You should read back what you have written, I believe that you sound rather pathetic. Bora Bora
Ditto!!! uaekid
seek help here >> / Del Why do people come here and become obsessed with government corruption/shifty business practices/unpaid labourers/prostitution/ etc? There's enough crap going on in our own countries, be we didn't run to the newspapers or write books about it. uaekid
if not, what good will DF be ? :lol: Del
Are government corruption/shifty business practices/unpaid labourers/prostitution/ etc the only things going on here/worth discussing? RedKite Hang on Herve! Earlier you were almost begging for SYMPATHY and making out you were the "good guy" and the "innocent guy" and Sultan and his mates were the "bad buys" !! Now you GLOAT about " MANIPULATING GOVERNMENT GOONS" ; "TRAPPING PEOPLE" ; "TOYING" with people; etc etc From first saying you were the NICE GUY, you now show you are not "NICE" at all .......but very SLY AND DEVIOUS! So how do you expect to get international sympathy? You also say that you worked UNDERCOVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR 10 YEARS. So how come such a brilliant spy TRUSTED Arabs? You spent 10 years DUPING PEOPLE in the Middle East. So where was your training later in dealing with Middle East people? HOW CAN A SPY BE SO TRUSTING??? WHY DID YOU NOT SEE THE MISTRUST COMING? YOU ARE THE "PROFESSIONAL" CHARACTER JUDGE!! Del
You spied on those guys, got caught and had to make a run for it?
You're lucky they didn't rip your head off. viking-warrior @Del The problem is that it is in your face in Dubai 24/7. Such practices exist in many places to varying degrees, but given that Dubai is so small and holds itself up to be a paragon of moral and religious values it is initially a shock that all of the above are practically on open display. Nowhere else that I have lived or visited, are the indigenous population so adept at using the legal system to their own advantage, in the full knowledge that it is weighted in their favour. Example: I was there. 4 waiters in R'affa jailed for "stealing" 2 packets of Magi soup and 8 free BIC lighters! Explanation: It was cheaper for the owner to accuse them of theft than paying the end of service dues and sending them back to Uzbekistan. Proof: none Local owners statement was sufficient. We offered to pay the amount of the soup and lighters - offered refused. Rational: The local owner had an offer to sell the property and the business, but the cost of paying off the workers and repatriating them would have seriously eaten into his profit (pun intended) Outcome: Guilty as charges – sentenced to one month and deportation (they had already been locked up for 8 months) and now had no money to buy a ticket home. For all I know they are probably still there 4 years on. Please tell me that anywhere else in the world where that would have been permitted? I can go on and on with actual evidenced examples, but unfortunately it only bores those who choose to ignore it and pretend that it does not happen, and ends up with me being labelled as a miscreant and wrongdoer myself (with special thanks to my fellow expat Brits) (and surprisingly some UK domiciled and resident non-expats - What’s with that?) The reason this can happen is the 2 degrees of separation between each and every member of the lokal population. It is very basic - e.g. my brother went to school with a senior guy in the public prosecution who takes the complaint to his cousins’ friend who works in the police who reverses it into the police reports where they are duty bound to act on it as it came from the DPP. By the time it gets to court which can be can be 8-15 months later it is a foregone conclusion that they are found guilty and whatever the sentence, as they are guilty they are therefore deported (at their own cost I might add). The reason that “we” go on about it is, I think, that we are a bit shocked and embarrassed that we bought into a dream based on what I believe is false advertising and as RK has inferred in describing Ponzi schemes one of the common features of a Ponzi is the embarrassment of those swindled, they are constantly in denial, until the full extent of the truth is revealed, and then they get angry. There is also a “clubby” feel about being on the “inside” which is what draws a lot of expats together and the gossip does the rounds faster in Dubai than a DSS queue in Croydon! Everyone knows someone who knows Matt Joyce or someone locked up in the current scandal (wait, it will be someone else next week). Unfortunately in my line of work the phrase “follow the money” always hold true. Same in Dubai. Who owns the hotels that sell the Alcohol Who owns MMI Who provides the visa’s for the former soviet girls providing after hours secretarial support Who has the magic wasta stick that sends certain contracts left or right You know this list and argument as well as I do :lol: Stop the supply, stop the trade. Stop the customers ? Cant't be done. Why do all those AD registered cars pile up to Dubai on a Thursday afternoon? A game of pool? No one and nowhere is perfect but nothing gets your goat more than someone or somewhere that holds itself up to be just that. The biggest this, the fastest that, it’s all crap. How about building the world’s most eco-friendly and technologically advanced residential community, car free, non polluting, build something for the future children of the UAE if not our own – not a chance, it costs too much therefore the margin of profit is reduced. NEXT! This game is all based on debt borrowing (not AD, Dubai) and they got caught long debt when the market tanked, and now the cost of refinancing is through the roof, the cash flows do not support further extensions, the LTV needs to be reduced which means that real cash has to be paid into refinancing to de-lever, this in turn sucks the money out of developments and freezes the continuation of construction. (Damn that bit bored even me!) Speedhump
you are staggeringly childish.....

I was trying to assist you as you appear to have been far too infantile in your open trust of Arab business. I have no hate for you but am beginning to think you have multiple personalities, viz the psychotic rant above :D
Goodbye now.

yes, you said it..... viking-warrior Boys boys Time to take a step back - you agree, leave it at that. The message, don't get into business with locals, there is ALWAYS another agenda and if you do stay awake - get legal advice on EVERY step - notarise EVERYTHING keep copies of EVERYTHING and at the end of it EXPECT to get screwed, so have your exit plan in place and on hold. NEVER announce your imminent departure, ........... to be completed .......... ad ifinitum .... :) Speedhump
LOL. OK. Sleep with one eye open and you'll stay safe, agreed. It's not brain surgery. ;)
l8r. Misery Called Life Altrit now this is really gettin borin!!!!!!!!! herve wishful thinking? speedhump. any opinion on that compatriote of yours who was awarded 3 months in prison for adultery RedKite Yup, Im going to bed !! I hope there are no spies peeping into my bedroom!! I SPY with my little eye!! sage & onion
Something begining with "H" herve
NOOOOOO i was a nice all along until they got nasty with me, so i just returned the favor, what would you do if somebody was threatening you of torture, take your passport, you give them chocolates? i ll give you my number, call me i ll get you out.
do you know if anybody escaped before? am i the first one, soon .....we ll see boat people from dubai....such a contradiction
anyways, 3,000 viewers in less than a week, there is definitely an interest here.
sage & onion
Many threads have multiple viewers, your constant trashing of Dubai is getting rather tiresome though. viking-warrior Pilot jailed for stealing colleague's phone By Bassam Za'za', Senior Reporter Published: March 17, 2009, 23:09 Dubai: A pilot has been jailed for stealing, despite protesting his innocence and continuing to accuse a colleague of maliciously accusing him of stealing his mobile phone. He alleges his colleague was envious of his seniority. The Dubai Court of First Instance sentenced the 31-year-old Emirati pilot, who worked for a government department, to six months in jail after he was found guilty of stealing his compatriot's mobile phone. The accused pleaded not guilty and handed a waiver from the complainant when he appeared in court, earlier. "I have served at the government department for a while and the complainant was a newcomer who joined after graduating... Out of his jealousy at me becoming senior to him at the department, he lodged this malicious complaint. I am innocent and didn't steal anything," the accused said in his defence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 31-year-old said: "His brother, who works for Dubai Police's CID section, also helped him lodge this malicious complaint... before he later handed me a written waiver." The complainant said he flew with the accused in a routine flight and when they returned to their office he discovered his mobile was missing. He claimed he kept it in a drawer when he went on a routine flight on his own before flying with the 31-year-old defendant. "He helped me search for the mobile in the office and when we didn't find it he promised to assist me ... later my brother helped me track the serial number." What a timely report - QED Del
Did they get nasty with you for no reason?
Did they just turn up at the office one day thinking, 'let's get nasty with that French guy - let's try to ruin his life, take away his passport, threaten him with torture - just for the fun of it all'? Bora Bora This thread is getting really stale. Misery Called Life I read that article in the paper.........Why do u jail someone for stealing a cellphone???? Its so juvenile...Y not jus make him pay 4 it? herve No Del, they picked me to be a scapegoat, and tried to rob me at the same time. all the people here promoting dubai, have nothing to lose, like speedhump, or bora bora, (i have been there a nice, place you should visit) they could pack and leave the same day as he said. a lot of them dont even own their car, the bank does, they dont own a house, they own nothing, they have nothing to lose but their job, and they hang on to it. so it is easy to bad mouth against those who took risks and invested in dubai, and then scream because they got ripped off, none of these good posters took any risks, or esle please share with me. soon a lot more of poeple who have invested $1M+ in dubai, already have or are going to feel the pain of losing it. just pick on the news when it comes out. herve
because if he goes to jail, obviously his buddy (both emirati) think he can have his position. that what it says in the article, not me...........
i heard there are may be 4 to 6 emirati pilots at emirates air, (please anyone confirm) all the others are europeeans or us, so they are hurting only but themselves.
one stolen (alleged) mobile phone, and that 16% less emirati pilots on the job. sage & onion
Blah, blah, blah, herve trash Dubai K-Dog
Herve is really having a negative impact, at least on me, now. At first I thought I would give his book a try but I don't think I'll be reading it. Misery Called Life This entire mobile episode is very fishy, there's more than meets the eye...Somehow I get the feeling that GN has not reported all the facts! herve i am not the one who brought the news on the stolen mobile, but there is something wrong here, either going to jail for that, or like misery said, in the GN article. sorry K dog for being sarcastic, but a lot of people go to prison lately for the silliest reasons, yesterday, this woman convicted of adultery was awarded 3 months, awarded like if it was some sort of prize. who, here, thinks it is normal. for one, there is no irrefutable proof, the alleged lover is not known, and there is no DNA or anything to back up the accusation, as per GN article. for 2 , even if it was true, this is a serious reminder for westerners that the UAE is not an open society. Del
So they're not just evil to foreigners. sage & onion
Blah, blah, blah, herve trash Dubai Speedhump
Mate, no book by a hater can ever be impartial therefore readable, we're all going to let RobbyG read it and tell us how it turns out. Maybe herve dies in the end.... :D Speedhump
I have no idea whether she was guilty or not, and so no. If I did I would not be spilling it here just because I was prodded by a donkey like you. viking-warrior Oh come on Ladies, what ever side of the fence your are from you are going to want to read it, hell even those sitting on the fence will want a peek. From you intelligent posts SH I can't believe that you will be allowing someone else to make your mind up for you. And as UAEKid's tag line says "If you don't read what you don't like, you will never learn." Oh the irony ! :wink: :wink: RobbyG
Its Herve's opinion on things. I think he gets way to less credit for his openness. Whether it is true or not, the world can decide after his book comes out. Until that moment, I would keep my head low judging Herve like this. I don't think he comes here to just bash Dubai, but in response to some other familiar 'bashers' on DF, he bashes back now and then.
I don't think this guy is a liar. Maybe not always that articulate but hey, no-one is perfect. I'm looking forward to his full story. Even when it turns out to be fiction...its a nice story about a supposed 'desert paradise' 8)
You know what its like when you walk in a desert, don't you? The heat can get you delusional. Shortage of water doesn't help either. Salty cells make you want to see an oasis...reality might show otherwise. :wink:
Every coin has two sides. dresden For all those "Ohhh all you do is trash dubai.... blah blah blah" You guys sound like a broken record. This is a FORUM. The point of a forum is to discuss topics, good or bad. Human nature has it that the bad is far more interesting than the good. Blame God, or deal with it any other way you can... (ie. off yourself already). I dont care how many people are skeptical about Dubai, talk badly about it, or come up with ridiculous stories about the place. I am here for a reason! NO ONE is going to make up my mind for me. Herve got royally Screwed (pun intended); I'll make sure to watch out for that... although I'm not going to get on the next flight out of here because he says so. For Fux sake... If we were so narrow minded and listened to what everone else said as though it was the gospel, we would have still thought the earth was flat! Viking seems to have some solid points (albeit negative). :idea: RobbyG
Ahhhh at last! Neighbouring sanity! :lol:
A jump for joy for my German buddy Dresden. :wink: viking-warrior I will defend my right have a negative view on Dubai and welcome this opportunity to put my side of the arguement, and this type of forum is a huge improvement on the black pen censorship that has existed there in my limited 3 decades experience of the place. So hats of to that. But the few long term veterans out there reading will have to agree that, freedoms can be extinguished at the drop of a hat, it has happened in the past and WILL happen again. Enjoy it while you can. :wink: Speedhump
All agreed, I also defend my right to have a positive view of Dubai. These forums are very healthy places for fact based discussions (not: buy my book and you'll see), and the UAE is to be commended for not blocking this site. I'm unhappy about the 'discussion' forums being used to promote new books, however I'm not going to say any more about that as I'm not a moderator.

For sure, if you break the law which can be harsh as everyone needs to be aware BEFORE coming here, or get in over your head with corrupt businessmen/politicians (or change the words to suit); which story is just the way of the whole world. And I honestly don't need to read another book about that, even if it's in my backyard, maybe I'm just too 'been there, seen that' now.....

Lets! :D worldguy Grass is always greener somewhere else. Speedhump
A phrase almost always used by people who are never happy wherever they are!!! Speedhump 'the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence' .... usually means jealousy and/or dissatisfaction ;) worldguy It could mean lot of things .... but, holds true for Dubai. i just spent an evening full with Dubai being ripped apart by all nationalities .... maybe they just missed the economic slowdown across the world. I has a chat with a company that helps in expats returning back to their home countries and some of the expats actually fail to realise the difference in life. They take much longer to go back and settle in Europe, America or Asia. Anyway guess we diverting from the topic. Speedhump
No, this topic is better than advertising a book release.
I think a lot of people may flee Dubai and when they get home realise that things are no better there. At least they will have their family and friends around them I guess. worldguy That's a fair point. A place gains or loses its charms based on the firends and closed ones. Rest of the things would become secondary over a period of time. bonerici herve can't wait for your book. Btw you might want read the latest article in the independent, "The Dark Side of Dubai" It's about de facto slavery in Dubai RobbyG This book is going to hit like a bomb! Just read The Independant article between the breaks of the evening here. I have serious issues with the mentality of people over there. If you know the background of it, you simply dont even want to work there anylonger, dont you guys have that feeling? Its sick! kanelli Of course there are positive things about Dubai, but are they only superficial things? We had an interesting experience, met some good friends, and got rid of student loans, saved some money, and husband's salary allowed us to have a baby without pressure for me to go straight back to work. Seriously, that is all the positives I can say about my experience in Dubai. While those things are all nice, we could still have coped living in our home countries. Sure, the loans would have taken longer to pay off, but we have friends and family there, there is government support and longer maternity leave. So, in the end, was Dubai so special? My remaining interest in Dubai is that it was the strangest experience of my life and it is interesting to see how Dubai rose and may fall. It is like watching an interesting science experiment in a petri dish... Speedhump
Dubai was a better place say five years ago (and more), that's all that I can say. Less flash hotels, less people, no property bubble (before which Dubai was still a successful place everyone has forgotten, unbelievable). There will always be business done here now it has started, hopefully without property being the mainstay of the economy. It's become an international fulcrum, a link between east and west, also the Gulf regional hub and it will remain that way so long as it's tolerant to expats. If it shrinks a little then so much the better, to grow again more slowly on the basis of true commerce. rudeboy
couldnt agree more. and i would be happy to see more and more ppl leave meaning less trafic :D it would be awsome if some expats could leave too :D kanelli And don't forget rudeboy, the expats that are leaving will feel happy too... happy to see the back of such a dysfunctional place. rudeboy
the sad fact is that. u have already left havent ya? u r in where oh canada. i guess the sad fact is you find canada SOOOOOO boring and u miss dubai so you thought u will go on dubai forum. hmmm it happens dubai is like that ;) do u miss the sun or the money :D kanelli The happy fact is that we left! We are now living in SE Asia and hopefully Canada next. Like I said, Dubai is the strangest place I have lived and it fascinates me because it is like an interesting science experiment in a petri dish. That's what keeps me around darling! rudeboy
WOW u must luv and miss it alot :D by the way no forums in SE ASIA or in canada? even if there were i guess u would be here on dubai forum cos u luv it so much. awwwwwwwww Red Chief RB, You are an expat as well, aren't you? Why don't you think that once upon a time you will be force to drive somewhere in the Hindu Kush area forgetting about Dubai's traffic for good? kanelli
Why yes, there are forums for other countries too - and people talk about THOSE countries in those forums.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were trying to get rid of me here at Dubai Forums? Now that isn't very nice of you rudeboy! Tsk tsk tsk! rudeboy
RC yep am a expat and yeh i could be forced to leave but while i m here i have to treat this place as my home. respect the culture and the religion where i live. UAE is tolerance to other religions and other races. you will find churches, temples etc here. and non-muslims can do what they like doing at home i.e drink :D but if they go make a fool out of themselves is it Dubai and its laws fault?
UAE has its prblems but which country doesnt? u all make it sound that this is a forum only for dubai yet we all have discussed about topics which are not revelant to dubai? where does it say in the rules of forums that u should only talk about dubai?? if thats the case why do we chat about sharjah, abu dhabi etc. OH they are UAE thats WHY :D Anosh Miserable... Now think positive and will do positive with you. rudeboy
honestly speaking the forum will not be the same without u :D i just get kicks ticking some of the expats off :D
p.s are u telling me that if i want to discuss about england on dubai forum i cant? but i will have to go get registered and discuss about england on some england forum? where most of the ppl are drunk or u dont know whether they lying in some hole :D Red Chief
You can treat whatever you want but actually you are not at home even if you want to.
So I am not surprised that some ppl. compare you with MB. He has the same bunch of illusions... rudeboy
it has been my home for the last 10 years. since then i am luving it. yeh i do have complains and when i look at the labour working there all day long, I am thank ful to god for everything He gave to me :). If I am forced to live in Hindu Khush, i ll get my head down and get on with it rather then complain which some ppl keep on doing on this forum.
lifes tough just get on with it. in hell when the heat will be up will u complain to the devil and say HEY there matey with the pointed tail, can u please put on the Ac :D Misery Called Life
RudeBoy are you comparing Dubai to Hell? Gasp :cussing: So your finally out with the truth...eh? Red Chief
Sorry, I don't get it. sage & onion
Of course we discuss anything and everything here, that's what makes the forum interesting. sage & onion
Fort frozen sounds coldddddddddddd rudeboy
u mind telling kanelli and chocs that. they keep on pestering me to stick to dubai :( rudeboy
what EXACTLY dont u understand? cant believe i am running english classes now :P rudeboy
am comparing dubais HEAT with Hells HEAT. oye if u gonna study me do it properly mate :P Ruskie
Good luck on being happy in Canada. That's all I'm saying. :lol: kanelli Well, after living abroad for 10 years, it feels nice to say that Canada seems to be a place that provides a happy median taking into account all of the things I value and the goals I have for my family. So, I'm happy that the country I prefer best after my foreign experiences happens to be my home country. Even my husband prefers Canada to his home country, so that is a positive for us too. :D Speedhump I think many Americans secretly prefer Canada too but could never admit it! Bora Bora :usa2: Speedhump not all ;) Speedhump edit: duplicate post deleted! forum laaaag.... RobbyG
You should push a little less on that slow pocket calculator you have there. Nokie 95 or something? Thats from the dark ages dude 8) Bora Bora Well Canada was very popular as the haven for draft dodgers (during the Vietnam War) who fled to Canada and had to stay on as they would have been arrested once back on American soil. Certainly added to the population. Edited to say: Mispoke. It's Alaska that you can Russia from. RobbyG
That explains the climbing rate of criminal offenses in Canada :D Speedhump LOL, no today on a desktop PC but I often get lag on the forums, probably my crappy 2 MB line that costs USD 75 a month here (another thing for you to know ;) ) I have an iPhone too but just wanted to go a bit retro for a few days. Might even get my old Nokia E61 out to play with for a while...I consider it like driving vintage cars :D :D Bora Bora [quote="RobbyG"]
Well that's why the US let in the criminals released from the Cuban jails. Needed to pump up the numbers. canuckbid One good feature about Canada: you can see Russia from Palin's house. Tremendous car traffic of American tourists since she revealed that little tidbit. Hello everyone. Just in case you were not aware, Palin is the Governer of Alaska, (USA) and has nothing to do with Canada. The biggest problem we have now, is the north. We have not figured out how to patrol the large are with our 3 rowboats, 2 broken subs and 1 sailboat. lol sage & onion
You seem to be home to many of the worlds unwanted canuckbid Hello. Yes we are home to many different cultures. I think that's what makes Canada good. We try to understand each other's way of thinking. Of course our neighbor has much influence over us with media and close ties. Well they tried to invade us a long time ago and failed. lol WE beat them out with squirrel guns. It would be nice if their new leader could restore some faith, that us westerners are not all evil. I'ld like to see all the senseless war effort go into space exploration. We as humans have much bigger things to do in the universe than fight over different ways of thinking and territory. Look up into the sky and see how much land is on the planets that the creator has left us. Yes we all are red inside. canuckbid lol Yes it is a very cold place in winter. It helps with the exploration of gas and oil. Some of the surrounding land is muskeg (soft water laden) In winter it freezes and heavy equipment is able to access drilling locations. Years ago I drove a semi tractor hauling propane up the Alaska hwy. I could tell you some stories of cold desolute trips but I'll save you the ear. Not enough space here. I see you have a good taste in cars. Never been on the autoban but with one of those or a Buggati could be fun I'm thinking. Speedhump I love Canada. Where else in the world except a lonely place like Newfoundland would you get three sea ports names Dildo, Tickle, and Come by Chance! Guys there must have too much time on their hands during the long dark winters..... :D



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