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Wafaey Can anyone tell me why there is a double standard salary situation?!!!! One for Europeans and North American citizens and a way lower one for the rest of the world as if they are the scum of the earth !!!!! :angryfire:
Jupiter sorry wafaey.. you are forgetting the third one.. there are three standards according to my categorization... the first one is same as yours.. the second is for Gulf and Arabic speaking and third and last one for south asians and south east asians.. BTW hi.. its first time I'm responding to your post.. :) Dubai Knight
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Try having your own business! That is the 5th and lowest category of all!
Knight Wafaey I'm from Egypt and I have been offered 25% of what a western passport holder would be making and I'm freaken upset :violent1: :protest: arniegang Waf its just the way it is, its not personal Wafaey I know it isn't personal and I have nothing against western passport holders but it is very unfair and believe that u would agree with me Arnie. I just want an answer why should western passport holder get paid at leats 4 if not 5 or 6 times more than ppl from the rest of the world despite the following: 1. Same qualifications. 2. Don't speak the native language of the country. 3. NO knowledge of any native culture or costumes. Can anyone working in HR give me a reason beside the passport :?: :!: uaeaussie I think it is because western companies feel more secure with western people dont know why.I think if some one is good they should be paid in relation to that not what race they are.Agree with you fully I think it is BS ajoy
it's probably the accent which matters... :roll: cadmus i think its all about how you negotiate...if you think you are worthy of it....you shud say straight forward....and if the company thinks that you are valueable for them they will take you...irrespective of your race, gender, colour of your skin..... yshimy Wafaey, It is not totally Black picture. It depends on the company, some do this type of categorization, others don't, i'm Egyptian and was recruited from Egypt (although i'm a "europoean" passport holder and exist here as European) but when i got the offer, it didn't specify anything and after acceptace the question from the "HR which passport you want to apply with?" and i was surprised as my manager after working for 2 weeks asking me "Oh you got a european passport?" so he really didn't know. Secondly, when this categorization take place. To attract Europeans with their lifestyle, they would pay them 3 times their original salary, Tax free so they accept and come here. To attract Arabs, or Middle easterns (GCC national excluded) they would offer 3-4 times their salaries for them to come. needless to mention TAX FREE, but in our region taxes are not like those of Europe :wink: doing these calculations, you will end up with: European salary in dubai = 2-3 X Middle Eastern Salary = 4-6 X south east Asia including Pakistan, India, Bangladish. Needless to mention that in india alot of unemployment, and if employed (on daily basis) their pay would be a meal. (speaking of real eye witness experience) So in the End, all should be happy to get what they can't get in their home country, but in the same time...... if we kept looking at each others salary, we wouldn't ever be satisfied. and in the end, you find that The third category DO SAVE MONEY but you can never see it, but they try to invest it and buy real estate to generate cash. The Second category, even do like the third category, OR live good, a life they can never afford in their own countries. The First category, live the same life they live in their own country, But spend more on the lifestyle, but not on Car, or Fancy House. Well, these were my 2 cents, alot of generatlization, but....... :roll: this is what all this conv is about. cheers

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Liban My salary and job were offered to me based on my experience. The fact that I am an Arab and a Muslim seemed to influence them much more than any other fact. cadmus hey liban what happened to your face....had a fight with wife :wink: just joking Liban LOL.... I am changing my avatar and fcuked it up... Hold on a few minutes and the cute one i wanted to put will come up. You will all agree thats its ADORABLE!!! :) yshimy (out of topic) liban, do you customize the avater from online site, or you just put any photo you like? Liban
No, I just put any photo I like and try to crop it as per the limitations of this forum SW. yshimy man, remove this angel gurl..... your posts should be up to it :D which i know you will not handel to leech yourself Liban LOL :lol: This cute little darling is what all people should be like. Especially some of the people on this forum. They know who they are... cadmus Seriously liban, this one is too cute for you :P ...try something else...that kid with a joint was better... Zapata To the OP, where did you go to university? In Egypt? Is it an internationally recognized degree? Not all credentials are created equal. If your degree is internationally recognized than the other factor is simply supply and demand. Until Egyptians like you start getting pissed off with the salaries and refuse to come or your country gets its shit together and grows a strong economy, salaries will be low. Nobody to blame but yourselves really.
Liban
Well I am not Egyptian. That being said, Zapata, if you are Mexican like your name would suggest, then you need to look at your own sad example of a country before speaking about other countries.
Now that I got that out my system. Egypt has many internal problems. The American propped dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak just exacerbates the matter. yshimy Man, what you are saying exactly as telling South East Asian's and indian's not to come on bad offers... Man realize reality, if it is not better for them, they would have never came. so ..... it is better for them to come even with salaries less than europeans. kanelli yshimy, I agree to a point - for example, for cleaning, driving, construction and food service industry perhaps. However, university educated people who are professionals in a field should be paid the same as the Westerners who are working in the same company. Each person is an expat, and each person is valuable to the company. yshimy Great :D agree, hope the world is really fair, i would be driving a ferrari. note: Nice avater :D Jupiter
you are right but there's another scenerio with those poor labourers.. who pay a lot of money to the agents in their country to get UAE visa... they mention wrong figures of salaries to the candidates plus accomodation plus this and that.. but when they come to actual situation its horrible for them to live in dh. 600/month and save and send to their families. and the fact is this that they can earn double of this money in their own country, but two things put them in the mess .. one is ignorance and other the craze of going abroad ! kanelli
I didn't know that this was happening all the time. Is the salary really less than what the companies first promised? I do think the salaries should be raised though, because 600/month is too low. This country needs better labour laws and worker protection! yshimy i know people doing 1500 a month "not asians" save money and go home and marry and open their own business "mainly a low end cafe" Don't be surprised Last night i saw a man in Ibn battuta mall (11 pm) he collects the trollies that people leave, and take the 1 dhm from it.. very wise man, i gave him some money, because this is a man who try to find a way of making it instead of begging. cheers kanelli Don't forget to factor in the living conditions guys. There are these labour camps, and people sharing rooms. There is little space, little privacy. I was reading that some have food provided, and it is poor quality and sometimes expensive. It is shelter over their heads and food in their bellies, but the living conditions could be better. The taxi drivers have a raw deal here - getting fined from their company all the time for the smallest things. When there is so much wealth here, I don't know why it can't be spread around a little more than it currently is. Zapata
Nope. Not Mexican. Mexico is clearly fvcked up. It's fvcked and the Mexicans have nobody to blame but themselves.
Actually, just stirring some shite here really. I agree that it is not so black and white. Westerners enjoy certain priveledges to this day because of the successful rape and pillage of the planet in years past. But, they did have the balls and the ambition to do it (however barbaric it may have been). So they reap the benefits.
Back to stirring the pot though. How much does a university education cost in Egypt? How difficult is it to get the degree? How knowledgeable are graduates? Is it on an international level? If the answers to these questions are not good does it surprise you, or should it offend you, that an Egyptian would earn less than a "Western" graduate? Jupiter
yes dude.. regretfully its true..
once i was in labour office and one 'Abaab' brought his servant for signing the agreement... the person sitting on the desk asked the servant that he is really agreed to work on dh. 400/mo .. he was quiet and like didn't utter a single word.. his master said "es yes.. he told me before.. yallah finish.. i need to go..!"
I was like hit my head on the wall ! AFG The opportunity cost for Americans, Europeans is a good reason they will only come for higher pays. Now why the companies pay them when they can get equally good for lower pays is another story. Language is one good reason, public perception another one. Why do most of us give more mental goodwill to a company that has a 'white' receptionist, as compared to a subcontinent or Far Eastern receptionist? People tend to pay premiums for stuff they buy from 'whites'....all this public perception has a big role why companies pay higher to the 'whites'. Societal thinking has to change before anything can happen. It is happening slowly and surely these days though. I know for one that I got a job applied for by mainly 'white' candidates and the package was fixed advertised in advance. and I am subcontinent, weaker sex(!), married(!). Capability, experience, performance and the way you sell yourself is starting to matter more these days Zapata So are you saying a Western educated Asian, Indian, Arab or whatever would get paid less? yshimy As a personal opinion, i belive company pays for who fits best to theri needs, despite color or race. Companies are not a raciest group, but a money making machines. Why the hell they would pay a european 6x more just to have white or blonde person in the organization instead of black, dark or asian??? Makes no sense to me. I think Qualifications is #1 and btw, it is not one is better than the other, but one is more suitable for the position than another... thats it, also the harmony inside the organization is important. Lets stop worry about who making more and who got more opportunities and worry about What is best for ME as a person, and for sure this will benfit the whole society as the person is the core cell of it. Zapata, Education in Egypt can cost you from 5 USD per year (yes 5 $) thats what i paid it and got the reciept if you want to check it :), to 20,000 $ a year All levels are there and you have the choice if you got the money, and note that it is not the higher you pay, the easier you get it ;) The highest price you pay in Egypt is in a university that was ranked # 9 in all africa (SA uni's are the top) and it is accredited world wide. and to get there...... it is not only money, it is marks my friend. cheers Zapata Thanks. If it is an internationally recognized degree than I fully agree that Egyptians or whoever should be getting equal salary if they have the same years of experience. kanelli
I don't know, they might be if the recruiter is racist and has preconceived notions about the applicant's life, money needs, and work capabilities. Maybe it depends on the nationality of the passport?
Does anyone have experience with this? cadmus
i dont know about the education system in egypt...but the education system in India is very strong...but still Indians are paid much less than their western counterparts....and the only reason i see is that they are ready to work for less....and if a good employee is ready to work for less than why would a company pay higher...i think people shud stand for what they deserve....if they accept whatever comes just thinking its good enough for me considering my country of origin...thing will always be like this... kanelli
Good point Cadmus! ajoy
you dont have to look far... i am now working for the last two years in a position where a british guy worked for 6 months.. he was fired because it was found out after 6 months that he didnt have the required qualifications and skills for the job...
now listen to this... me being an asian.. i am drawing 1/3 of his salary..but my boss is pleased with my work... he is scottish..he expresses his inability to go against the norms....it is an irony that i cant match half the salary of the british guy.
:cry: boss.... r u around :? katy I personally do not consider this as unfair because:
Europeans are already getting paid well in Europe and they will not take a job in countries as far as the Middle East if the pay is not BETTER than what they already get! Same goes for Americans. So companies have to pay them that much otherwise nobody would bother to come. And i think that employers would definitely prefer to pay westerners less if they had the choice! but they don't! Europeans have high demands.
Companies prefer to hire westeners because (1) universities in Europe and the US are 'considered' to be better than other unis.
(2) the Employer is a westerner and he prefers to hire westerners thinking that they would share a better understanding
(3) they have prior experience (plus education) in fields in countries famous for these fields (such as Engineering in Germany, Hotel Management in Switzerland, Medicine in the US, etc.)
As for (expat) Arabs and Asians, if they got better salaries in their home countries they wouldn't come to Dubai from the first place. And they are still ready to work for salaries less than their European counterparts. Employers are aware of that.
So if you think you are not treated fair, and that in your home country you can get better pay and appreciation, then why are you still in the UAE? Whatever you are getting is the best you were able to get. So stop complaining and just be grateful for what you get. And don't compare yourself abroad to western employees because you can't compare the gerneral wages earned in your home country to those earned in Europe and the US!
As for the exploited labour workers who get wages less than what they were promised before coming to Dubai, and less that what they would actually get back home: this is another issue. Liban Your post is like saying, well if you end up with one broken leg in Dubai instead of the two you would have back home, then you are in a better position and it would be fair to you.... No, untrue. Why even get one broken leg? If the person is competant, has the education from an acredited university, speaks proper english and/or arabic, is presentable, etc... Then it should be equal footing. Lemmi simplify it even more for you: A woman earning less than a man in the West. Is that OK? Is that fair?? Well the same applies here. cadmus
i beg to differ on the standard of education issue...i think the standard of education is very good in India...if not better it's equal to the western unives. i formyself had option of joining reputated institutes in US...but still i opted to stay in my own country and study there...and during the period of my education i have come across many students from ivy leauge institutes and believe students from indian institutes like IIT's and IIM's are no less then these guys...
i have seen students from St. Gallen's, EBS (germany), ESC france finding it difficult to survive during exchange programs in these Indian institutes....
so it's not about where you come from...its about what you are ready to take...it's about believing in yourself...if you are ready to take less you will get less....if you think you deserve more...you will get more....
I think human beings are very reasonable...they give you only that much shit as you ask for katy
Liban, even though i would be repeating myself here, i'll explain again. Employers in the UAE WISH they could pay Westerners less. But they are FORCED to pay more so that they would WIN them over! If they also got 'not-so-high' wages in the West, then UAE employers would also pay them 'not-so-high' wages but still a bit higher than what they get back home.
Yes it's true there are very competent and well-educated Arabs and Asians, but it is known that it is in the West where most developments take place. This is widely known and is undisputable. That's why experience and education gained there is highly appreciated.
As for women earning less in the West. This issue is being intensively dealt with. there ARE no reasons for women to be paid less. That is why this problem is 'almost' inexistent. Liban Still doesn't justify what is happening. katy
Definitely. Indian institutes of education are of a different case. Here in Germany Indian IT experts are considered the best. And because of this reputation (which Indians earned by proving), some employers even prefer Indian IT experts to German. arniegang I have to agree with Katy. With regard to the salary issue in particular. I know you guys think you are the dogs nuts if you are on say 15-20k Dhs, but in relation to the equiv UK salary then you merely earn a average UK salary. The only differential is that we are subject to tax and national insurance. A prof well qualified expat would expect to maintain that salary level/standard of living. At the end of the day its just all relative. Like Katy correctly said, they are hardly going to offer the equiv salary for example to an Indian even with the same qualifications, when the salary differential between say the UK and India are light years apart. katy Liban, One point: once you tell me that the economy in YOUR country is well-off, employees are happy and are earning what they deserve, then we will start talking about the situation of expats from your country. The problem is in your country not the host. If your 'own' country is not giving u what you want, why should the employer abroad give you? Liban
Do you know which country I was living and working in before coming here?
I am speaking for others, not myself. My salary is quite respectable and is higher than what I was making where I was before and is considered good by Dubai Western Expat measurements. vixnax Very interesting discussion! here's my 2dhs worth...not intended to cause offence just to enter into debate... Not all companies are the same you know...times are changing slowly slowly. The company I work for and it is one of the largest Emirati owned here- pays people based on education and experience...not nationality...so as a westerner/ "white"- as some of you put it- in my grade band there are Indian, Arabic, whatever earning more money than me...I know this is not the norm but it is happening out there! Because they have more qualifications/experience. Try to work for some of the more forward thinking companies if you have a choice. At the end of the day if we are all earning more than we would earn in our home countries isn't that good? Aren't conditions better here? And yes I know about the labourers and taxi drivers conditions and i do feel sorry for them- but would they be any better off at home? Don't you all think the days of the expat fat cat salaries have come to an end or are drying up? Apart from certain industries which class working here as a hardship posting and very senior level management. Will be interested to here your thoughts, Vixnax jag
You mean its the first and highest dont you?! Wouldnt want it any other way :D Dubai Knight
Wouldn't want it any other way either...but would like to get paid from time to time!
Knight yujinn
I wouldn't totally agree here. Salaries in Dubai should not be based on the general wages from where the workers come from. The expats from India and Pakistan for example are not going to spend their income from their homeland where food, shelter, and clothing are probably much more cheaper- and so the generally lower income from their countries- relative to Dubai. They're going to spend their incomes in Dubai, where the prices of things are the same whether you're white, black, or brown.
So Salaries should not be affected by what your standard of living and thus income in your homeland is because you are now in Dubai, and everyone is paying for the same rates. Wafaey
I second you Yujinn, because we are both paying the same rates for accommodation and everything else.
So Katy can u please tell me why Egyptians whom were taught and have a degree from USA r still paid less ?! yshimy i would say the caliber itself, nothing else. I'm Egyptian, i'm being paid like anyone else in the organization, educated in Egypt. It all depends on the company and their policies. Cheers cadmus ^^ i second that...i am Indian...getting paid equal to other nationalities katy
This is strange. I'm afraid i don't have an answer for that. but this is truly unfair. Where did you gain your work experience? If you also have worked in the USA, then you should not be paid one penny less that an, say, American.
You have to add experience to education. katy and then Wafaey, u are still WILLING to work for less, eventhough u are not happy with it! (Most) Americans and Europeans will not accept that. True some companies pay high for competent people irrespective of nationality. But we are talking about the (major) case when the pay is not equal. So again i say, the employer has no problem paying certain nationalities less cuz THEY still work no matter what!!! agree or not? Wafaey well katy u r right i give u that why pay more when the can have it for less. but the thing is finally found out that arab and asian employers try to squeeze employees from their homeland. :( Concerning westners won't accept less cuz they can simply stay at home and get unemployment support katy Exactly. So even the money unemployed 'westerners' get in their homelands (i.e. unemployment benefit) is sometimes more than what Dubai employers pay certain nationalities. now the BIG problem is, rents in Dubai are hell expensive (SHOCKING!!!!!!). So i am not sure how people will be able to manage pay rent with such low salaries. So living expenses in Dubai are definitely higher than for instance India or Pakistan. So the employer should take this into consideration. But then again, employers take advantage of people coming from countries where 'unemployment benefit' does not exist, cuz they know that whatever pay they are offering, it would be better than home. And as long as there are still people ACCEPTING this (due to having no better choice!!), there will always be this pay discrimination. Unfortunately. Solution? you have a job. Paid STILL more than home. Be grateful and don't compare urself to others.. u will just feel bad and unappreciated. Just chill out man! 8) and enjoy life!! gamechee
This is so disgraceful that a person is paid according to the country they belong from... There are no laws (or not enforced) to protect the rights of workers and the government overlooks this because they are protecting their own interests. Still I am not complaining since this country is so young and has achieved more then it could have. Ironically in our minds we start comparing dubai with cities like ny!
Come to reality! Dubai has been made up and its all artificial.... Maybe its going to take another 50 years for the system to become stable and for the city to develop a character! Wafaey
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Whereever ppl like Liban are there, blatant discrimination will prevail....so to stop this type of discrimination ..... burn him...............Amen yujinn So it all boils down to (1) a person's self-worth; if you think you don't deserve that pathetic salary then don't accept it ang look somewhere else where your competencies will be well appreciated and compensated, and (2) the employer. At least you'll know what kind of an employer the company you applied for is. If they're too inconsiderate to offer you a salary way below your worth, chances are you'll not be going anywhere career-wise with that company. Look for an employer that will recognize your talents and skills. jag Hey, bit of an old post, but just wanted to add to it.. The reason companies pay different wages to different nationalities is because those nationalities (asian or whatever) actually accept it. If they didnt, then the employers would not have a choice in the matter. Similarly westerners do not accept lower packages to come to Dubai. I disagree completely with the concept people have that since things cost more in your home country (or less) you are paid accordingly. Everyone in Dubai are subject to the same cost of living, same high rents, same everything... and if two people have the same qualifications, they should be paid the SAME. It doesnt matter what your expenses are back home. You are working in Dubai, not UK or India or wherever. You are spending in Dubai. So two people with identical qualifications and experience should be paid equally and fairly as per their job and cost of living in Dubai. If any of these two people does not see value in working in Dubai, then they should just stay in their home country rather than there being a salary differential. People working on work visas in any country, like US, Canada etc are paid the same as the citizens of that country (qualifications and job being the same between two people), and not according to where they came from. Glad I dont have to deal with all this, but hope that one day there will be common sense and fairness in the UAE. There is some evidence of this happening in some forward thinking companies that offer similar salaries to its employees regardless of nationality. Hats off to these companies! Ukite white person with white degree most preferred, then colored person with white degree and the last one is colored person with colored degree! not all the whites are educated, I have seen some local companies recruiting white street fighters from South africa as managers of a construction company. there was australian Nurse who wanted to work in Ministry of Health as nurse, but the officials in MOH said since she is white they would give her a better position in Ministry office. there was a documentary in BBC some years ago, where a British of Asian origin comes looking for a job and all they say here in Dubai is they cannot give him the benefits what whites get is, He is not white though he is british. It is not nationality or how ur paid in ur home country, It is the color of skin. There is more racism in this country than in the west. One more thing about the trust is, It is wrong that this people do not cheat. the South African I wrote about had cheated this comapny and he set fire to the office to clear the evidence, then he left the country and came back after few years to get the same position in same company! all i am saying is that these people are not over qualified to get these positions. jag
Yes, the point that British of Asian origin gets less than a white British is evidence of additional racism. Racism is here on the skin and nationality levels. HP
I remember , once i was interviewd in a company in Dubai when i was working there. I insulted the person a lot during interview. He tolerated me for 10 minutes and then told me "out". Well u can only insult if ya have any option .
Here in Denmark , we have standard of salary. If you have master degree or engineering then companies can not offer ya less than 15000 AED as starter . Offcourse u have to pay 40% taxes :) HP although i am quite white :oops: Liban
I true specimen of the master race.... :lol: The Big Picture Hi mate, Simple answer, lets find you a fantastic new job! I know CB is, has or was helping you with your CV... But as you know, I am in teh maldives and have some spare time, mail it to me and I will have a play... Just looked on MSN for you as well, but your not online. Maybe we can put your home address in UK, might be a good salary raiser??? lloydy But why should anyone have to 'play another part' or pretend they are something they are not to get a decent wage for a job they are qualified for? People should be paid based on their abilities (academic or otherwise) not on the colour of their skin or what passport they hold. And the sad fact of it all is most of the 'Westerners' on here who hold high 'management' positions could do something to change this. They however decide to go with the 'norm' in Dubai: Indians, Egyptians and other such nationalities are given lower salaries. Then they bitch about how unfair the system is. It may be me living in an 'ideal' world, but surely if one company stood up and made a difference - i.e. put nationality to one side and focused on attitude and qualifications, then this one person may change everyone....in time.....but someone has to start. If any people take offence to me saying this then maybe they need to take a look at themselves and heaven forbid...change?!?! At least take a bus to work instead of their fancy shmancy company car....the money you save on fuel could perhaps give that employee a small salary increase... so she/her can also enjoy the same lives which a lot of people take for granted. Chances are their values are a bit higher and instead of pissing bonus money up the wall it will be used for some good....like being able to afford their own room instead of having to share with 10 other low-salaried and educated employees. The Big Picture Dear Lloydy, I understand and respect your opinion, and will probably be in total agreement in an "ideal world". However, Dubai is a Capitalist market and is only in existence for investment and capital gain... It is not a land focused on family, environment or fairness...which is what it all boils down to here. It is a society dictated by supply and demand. The so called "lower classes" come here for many reasons, most of them can not find work in their home countries due to massive unemployment or will not be able to earn even close to the equivalent salaries in Dubai. For instance, their way of life is to work, earn money and send it back home for the entire family to live well on, which the family would struggle back home without it. Also, these people’s expenses and cost of living back home are no way comparable to Europe etc. For instance, a qualified European would also have a home/family to support back home in similar fashion, and the cost is massively higher, so its also pro rata. If for instance, let’s pick a random job, like an Accountant.... If every Chartered Accountant was paid the same, say 20,000 AED p/m, every employer would take the Accountant from UK as the Accounting standards are the highest in the world there. Then Accountants from the so called "less countries" would not be able to find work here. In my opinion, your “ideal world” scenario would not actually benefit anyone except those who are unfortunately already getting the preferential treatment. Also, due to the success of the Dubai economy, hundreds and thousands of additional jobs have been and will continue to be created. This allows for more struggling families are the world, to be able to survive and lead a good, healthy life back home... Have you considered looking at it in this way? Maybe I am totally wrong, so please don’t take offense, its just how I believe it is… lloydy Article 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work." I think what it boils down to in Dubai is that certain Nationalities do have the arrogance which they believe they are entitled to have....for example, someone once told me a story about buying some beers in a bar (whilst watching the footy at the WTC)...as he/she did not have enough hands to carry all the beers they paid an Indian man Dhs10.00 to carry the beers. Now, the indian man did this...why? because maybe that is a few lunches or dinners for him. The said arrogant person who could not carry his own beer could most likely have offered this Indian man a beer, or paid slightly more - being in a a high paying job. However, this is the mentality and the 'dubai syndrome' which a lot of Westerners have. To these people I would suggest to pull their heads out of the sand (or from up their own arses?!?) and realise that all humans are equal, if someone is doing something the same as someone else then surely their rewards should be the same. If not then it is pure arrogance and manipulation of other human beings Yes, I may be living in my own 'bubble' or my own 'ideal' world, but maybe I have just opened my eyes a bit wider than you and realise that there is a lot more happening around myself than my ego. The Big Picture: Women, Blacks and countless other 'minorities' in the past have been singled out, manipulated and treated unjustly...surely this is the same thing? The Big Picture Dear Lloydy, If you consider “this person” who paid the Indian to kindly assist him carrying his beer, have you ever thought, that this man was working on a very low salary as a rubbish collector, and was offered some extra cash whilst he was doing nothing during his duty hours. Therefore it was money for nothing…It is not arrogant, but “this man” could not carry 15 beers himself and might have asked this man would he help for 10 AED for 3 seconds assitance….It was a proposal offered and accepted. Article 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work." Anyway, I do not think you have only considered my comments previously and have responded simply because we often discuss this subject between ourselves. Again I remind you of the accountant in my previous comments. If I had CV’s on my desk, one candidate from England, Holland, India and Philippines and each were ACA qualified the same, I was going to offer the candidate the same salary regardless of nationality, I would chose the English candidate because the standard of learning and accountancy is highest in UK. Therefore, this would not help your dilemma lloydy The Big Picture, I did not ignore your previous post...I just thought a lot of the information was invalid. Take your example of an accountant.....if you had different cvs of different nationalities on you desk and you chose the English person, then I suggest you should enrol in a HR course.....surely you should interview each of the candidates first and base your decision on the standard questions set, and how you think this person could benefit your company as a whole. For example, an Arab might be best if you could utilise their language skills....There are many factors which need to be assessed. And yes, at the end of the process you may choose the English person. Is this because they are English? No..it should be because they will give the greatest good to your company.... "...Nor is there, apparently, any reason to think that Negroes are congenitally less intelligent than white people, but as to that it will be difficult to judge until they have equal scope and equally good social conditions." Bertrand Russell (1951) I guess you are someone who doesnt want to give people equal scope and equal conditions..... Why are you scared? jag
Well said, well said.. The Big Picture Babe, you think your eyes are wide open, but there are not...I know how wonderful it is in Lloydy land, I love being their with you!!! Have a read, and I look forward to your next one sided reply...!!! PS Still love ya though.... Don't tell your man... He might "Strike me Down"...! "Most important, expatriate workers are likely to have fled areas of ethnic or religious strife, where minorities are subject to oppression and reprisals. Secrecy, anonymity, and security of financial transfers are critically important to such people, and perhaps essential to the survival of their families back home. Hawala makes it possible to work in Dubai and send money home securely. US-style financial disclosure regulations could destroy Dubai as a refuge for ethnic minorities in desperate need of employment outside of their home countries." By J. Henderson, an investment banker in New York City. You can email him here: Anyway, you think it is bad in Dubai, you should have a look in the Maldives!!!!!!! :roll: The Big Picture However, Clearly people have differing views; "Dubai's à la carte Capitalism Won't Win Dubai wants to be "what London was to the 19th century and Manhattan to the 20th", except without that messy democracy thing. No political parties. No freedom of speech. Religious courts. Oppression of immigrants and women. A benign dictatorship is still a dictatorship and is too stifling to reach those heights. A more reasonable aspiration is to be "the Singapore of the 21st century". Posted Mar 30, 2006 at 11:59 AM, under Economics by Kottes The Big Picture THis was interesting...
capitalism

economic system based on private ownership of the means of production, in which personal profit can be acquired through investment of capital and employment of labor. Capitalism is grounded in the concept of free enterprise, which argues that government intervention in the economy should be restricted and that a free market, based on supply and demand, will ultimately maximize consumer welfare. Capitalism has existed in a limited form in the economies of all civilizations, but its modern importance dates at least from the Industrial Revolution that began in the 18th cent., when bankers, merchants, and industrialists—the bourgeoisie—began to displace landowners in political, economic, and social importance, particularly in Great Britain.
Capitalism stresses freedom of individual economic enterprise...
However, enough playing I have to get on hte boat.... 3 Islands to visit today and the sea is looking choppy.... :shock: :shock: :shock:
Ciao Bella Lloydy xibit
i dont think its about the citizenship. its all about the blue eyes and blond hair and yeah the white skin.
south asian,hispanic and african americanas and europeans wont get the same salary as their caucasian fellow citizens.
racism exists and the thing which is really sad is that it exists in uae even though it is supposed to be a muslim country. kanelli Sorry, but I have heard that there are even discrepancies between salaries amongst those with blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin - it depends on the country they come from, the field they work in etc. It seems to me that the non-whites are far worse at applying racist practices towards other non-whites. DaveDXB I totally agree, i protest! Asian company salary = < 5000 AED American / European company salary => 8000 AED Working for small to medium sized companies is THE BIGGEST WASTE of ur time! xibit
true the whites from east europe are paid less compared to brits or americans, the indians are paid even less (last in the food chain)
and yes the non-whites are far worse at applying racist practices towards other non-whites lloydy But it doesnt just stop at race and colour of skins....age and gender is also discriminated against too! Dubai looks all shiny from the outside, people need to rub away the exterior and see what really lies beneath. Not just beneath their own small 'safe' world, but at the whole big picture (The Big Picture?!?). kanelli Exactly lloydy



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