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Linda_Stuiv Just heard the news...... That racist Danish newspaper has published an official apology on their website. http://www.jp.dk/forside/ It's on the main page. I'd like to congratulate muslims about the concerted efforts that the masses have conducted, along with some Arab/Islamic governments, proving the people that say Arabs/Muslim can't take any consistent action, WRONG. Freedom of speech my @ss, they intentionally wanted to stir things and rub it in...... Well no body will be buying their cheese and dairy crap anytime soon :lol: Now they're trying to push the EU beauracracy to do somethign about it, but it' so hypocritical and unlikely since the movement here was majorly started by ordinary citizens... a social movement. Would be hard to see how they could punish the governments ........ wait a minute .... okay, bring it on, no Oil for Europe and no Cheese and Milk for Arabs/Muslims .... big deal :P I'm ecstatic.
Chocoholic Oh woop de do, now can they apologise for all the stuff we see on the telly? And in their newspapers? mAJOR pAIN
yeah ... freedom of speech, art or whatever for the artist the ones that are to blame is THE MORON who actually thought of this IDEA of posting what The Prophet Mohammed looked like is actually asking for it !!!
anyway ... this apology might not be enough but the most important thing is .. its a start ... but if you ask me the NEWS paper should be Penalized and an ONLINE Apology is not enough ... they should PUBLISH this apology to their News PAPERs too ... (well if they already did then GOOD !!)
anyway ... its all good ... Liban Boycott to continue. Teach those bastards a lesson. Do NOT mess with Islam or we will bite back. Chocoholic Yeah you see it's that kinda attitude that ruffles peoples feathers. Seriously more important things to get annoyed about than a silly cartoon. kanelli Yeah, a Danish person working in a food factory in the coutryside needs to suffer because one stupid newspaper editor allows controversial and disrespectful cartoons to be published. That makes a lot of sense... yshimy Linda, Thanks, i feel more proud to be muslim/arab (although i got some european blood) you are right in every single word you said up here. MP, Man i thought you are in the opposite camp, but i totally do agree with you. Liban, Totally with you man, Lets continue the boycot, wear some signs and stand in the Sheikh Zayed road :))) seriously, lets continue the boycott. Choco, still calling it silly cartoon, ok, as you wish, but it is changing the Denmark image in the world, and showed how much this country is vunrable, and how much they don't have stamina to withstand the reaction for their actions.... Kanelli, You really make sense, thank you. Iraqi's still dying for The states want to find WMD, and they are paying for one bad persident they got. Afghani's still dying because the states felt like they want to have base in this area to attack iraq and that they don't need taliban to fight the russians anymore. Muslims world wide are being flagged as terrorist because one silly (US made terrorist) decided to attack the USA, the country that trained, supported, funded him and then after Russia is down, they just left him in the desert and didn't keep their promise to him. Iran is being sent to the Security council because their president don't belive in the holocast.... (blieve got the point) That makes alot of sense. Cheers mate kanelli "Iran is being sent to the Security council because their president don't belive in the holocast.... (blieve got the point)" Wrong. yshimy, you have such a simplistic view on things. Politics are complicated and you are only making sweeping generalisations. Liban The west will only be satisfied if the civilized Muslim/Arab world bends over and says we are wrong and you are right.... WELL THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.... kanelli Whatever Liban. You have blinders on and will only see the West in a bad light, no matter what.

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Liban Thats nice.... Look the westerner has spoken.... ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY WEST.... Yeah right........ Since when are victims attackers??????? kanelli Have I ever claimed to be more important than you when I speak, just because I am a Westerner? NEVER. Once again you are reacting in a childish and immature way that also proves my point about your huge bias against the West. Liban Heh.... Its not bias my dear but fact when I speak of the West.
It is YOU that is biased against us... You just don't know it. kanelli Liban, here is an example of Muslims who are positive and trying to effect change in the bad relations and cultural and religious misunderstandings between muslims and non-muslims. (thank you secretsindubai for bringing the article to our attention :)) You on the other hand are a hater who sits in his armchair and says pointless, ineffective, and non-productive things like "The West will fall!", and "Teach those basdards a lesson!" Maybe you have written off the West, but thankfully there are other more enlighted muslims and non-muslims out there who want to co-operate and stop the bullcrap that is going on on BOTH sides. kanelli
I'm not biased against all Muslims, only ones like you. Liban
Really???!?!!! Could have fooled me.... NOOOOOOOOT!!!! :evil:
You have never said and you will never say the west is wrong for colonization, creating Israel, dismembering tha Arabs after WW1, supporting a nuclear Israel but condemming Nuclear Muslim States, etc.... yshimy Liban, go man, express your own opinion... Kanelli, why you don't him to practice his right of freedom of speach ???!!!!! (Double standards) Kanelli, About the article, i do belive in that too, but just a quick note, if we started now we would do this in like 20-50 years, so this is a long term actoins should be in the top of all our governments agendas, but for a QUICK response and as individuals, BOYCOTTing is the way. NAh, the west is not evil. i like american ppl and i like europeans more (i got relatives who are). Europeans are more educated and know whats going on more than americans. BUT their government is Evil, yes, sew me for saying this, or try to prove me wrong. look throught history. check the atomic bombs, the nuclear weapons, Hiroshima, Nagazaki, NAM, Afghanistan, Iraq, next Iran, then syria or syria first, depends on the strategy, then libya, then Egypt. Well will finish them before doing this. I don't like the term Westerns. but... well you are all using it. lets continue. Why don't the same being done in the West, educate your kids about our culture instead of showing them movies in which we ride camels, live in tents and grow beards, then shout out in bad english and kill people, slap our wives and have huge number of childrens. Check statistics about all the above, killing rate in the west vs. middle east (I mean in crime) check rape rates, domistic violance, divorce rate, man... you envy us, thats why we find alot of westerns prefer to retire in our countries. and come here and don't want to come back. Anyway, i was driffeted again, just back to the post, check my first 3 paragraphs ;) cheers kanelli "Kanelli, why you don't him to practice his right of freedom of speach ???!!!!! (Double standards)" yshimy, please do provide the evidence where I silenced Liban and told him he was not allowed to exercise free speech. yshimy You didn't, apology man. See, the Danish govermnet and new paper should have done this and end the thing. But the kept deny then muslims riot, boycott, call their ambasadors and the thing got bigger. You should thank god i'm not the Danish government, you would have to boycott me, talk to moderators, make a rally, and then i would think about it like danes. but no.
kanelli So I am supposed to apologise for human beings and civilisations following the principle of "survival of the fittest"?. If certain groups or nations have had more money, more power, more influence, even at the expense of others - that is just the way the world works. This has been proven throughout history even if it isn't fair and isn't right. The strongest will do what it takes to survive and thrive - no matter what race or religion they come from. If the Arabs rise one day and take over the world, so be it - it would prove that they are stronger and fitter then. I am well aware that oppressed peoples will always fight to regain power. Even though I can acknowledge the past, I feel that these are not the old colonial days - we should be wiser and more respectful of each other. Every nation has the capability to ensure peace and prosperity in the world, but greed and power are still getting in the way. I would rather see humans and civilisations cooperating together, not manipulating each other and killing each other. This is where you and I differ Liban. I want cooperation and understanding, and you want revenge. Liban When the Crusade against Islam perpetrated by Western governments ends, then we will stop resisting... Until then, we will never be silent, we will never forget, and we will take back what it ours... If the West understands the gun (which it seems to understand well), then we will do it their way with the gun.... If they wanna talk, we will talk... But they don't seem to do much of that from what their armies seem to do... One way or another peace will will happen. Maybe on this world... Definatly in the After Life. Inshallah! Try to do what you want with us, one fact remains ETERNAL: We Muslims are part of the Islamic Umma. We are the Arab Nation. The Arab Nation is united with the Islamic Umma from Mauritania to Chechenya to Indonedisia to Suriname to Oman.... One binding force between us, God (Allah) and His Truth and Protection. ALHAMDOULILLAH!!!!! kanelli Liban, the next commander of the Lebanese army. :lol: Liban
Yes... err... The Lebanese umm... err.... "army"... *cough cough* :oops: GoodBai Liban, whenever you refer to the West, it is ALWAYS in a hot-headed, posturing and aggressive way. Your talk is always of revenge and you seem to be under the impression that everyone living in the West is on some kind of crusade against the Islamic world. It just isn't so. Just as some in the West need to seek a greater understanding of the Islamic world, you certainly need a greater understanding of people in the West and what makes them tick. Liban
Funny how convieniantly you ignore that when I speak of the west I am nearly always referencing Western governements (ie I mention the word government countless times) and I use the words generally alot...
But nobody sees that... All you see is "Oh no, the Arab Muslim has spoken, oh no, he is a terrorist, oh no he hates us....".... Please... If I hated the West I would crack open the skull of every westerner I see... I don't do that, so.... GoodBai Don't put words in my mouth Liban, I didn't call you a terrorist. What I did say is that you come across as intemperate, hot-headed and aggressive when referring to the West and you need to adopt a more understanding and considered approach. Whatever you may think, I don't feel that the West and its governments are waging a general war on Arab nations and the Islamic world with a view to destroying them. kanelli
Great post GoodBai.
Liban, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say you despise only Western governments out one side and then slag Western individuals out the other.
For example, all Danes are bastards because a newspaper printed offensive cartoons. It wasn't a government run newspaper, and all the people of Denmark weren't consulted before the newspaper went to print. Now you use this situation in Demark as further proof of Western conspiracy against Arabs. Linda_Stuiv No offence people, but the discourse so far is really irrelevant and pointless. Liban is angry (as so are many muslims obviously), and he has to stay "Politically-Correct"? No body blamed or stood to correct Americans when the shouts of "Lets Nuke the ragheads!!" was resounding in the US. Emotional reactions are a norm when something this important (focus on that, these aren't secular populations) and insulting happens. So please let's stop the "You should not have said that!!" campaign against Liban. Also, Kanelli, you turn every discussion into a personal attack against Liban, whether it's a hater, or a mouth-foaming extremist ...etc. You hadn't discussed the main issue yet. Let me elaborate on how this whole thing started: The editor-in-chief (same guy who's apologizing now) apparently didn't like Muslims' attachment to their religion, and desired a little "prick" in their side, to "teach" them how to take opposing opinions as it seems. That is the only explanation I could think of, because what he did was ORDER 12 cartoonists, to draw 12 cartoons that WOULD be considered offensive. And so it happened. It wasn't in context with anything, it wasn't referring to any particular event or idea. It was just "draw 12 caricatures against Islam". And so it happened. For those of you that saw those caricatures (like I did) , they are completely offensive and are not even politically indicative of anything. For example: The prophet, with his eyes covered with a black bar (like a criminal, but also ridiculing the fact that muslims don't draw Mohammed), holding two covered up women, with a sneer on his face, and a dynamite belt around his waist. End of story. What the hell is that caricature supposed to teach us? or to indicate? or to ridicule? Not a certain phenomenon, not a certain practice. But Islam and it's holiest symbols. For people which take their religion -more or less- seriously, like muslims, that is an insult, and that poor dairy farmer can go and demonstrate in Copenhagen if he is jobless, because the people responsible are NOT the ones with the REACTION, but the ACTION, namely that newspaper. What are we arguing about here? Kanelli why do you find it so hard to mutter the words: "yes Liban (or any other muslim here) that was a bad thing to do, and I understand your anger" ? You haven't shown any remorse/support/sympathy..... when even the UN has done so?? Who's the "Anti" person here then? As for GoodBai, in reply to the post about the Western media, of which the thread that contains it was closed down, let me reply: Very good points, and yes the Western media is freeier and more "investigative" in it's pursuit to social issues ..etc. But that's completely irrelevant. Anytime anyone here tries to make a valid point critisizing the western countries. Westerners here jump to the gun and take it as a whole "attack" on the West in general. I was addressing a narrow and specified aspect of the Western media, namely: International politics and specially pertaining to the so-called "rival" civilizations, such as Islam, China, India ...etc. The lens which we view the "other" are distorted and the way we acquire that knowledge is not innocent, more like highly intentional and motivated. Every "other" is barbarian, and we judge people's advancement by how "close" and "near" they are to our Western standards. We don't think outside the box, and we're -as much as we'd like to deny- really narrow-minded because we can't accept that someone (like muslims) can follow a different path that we can respect, and reach advancement or at least civil "happiness" ...etc. We are not the nanny of the world, and we have no right to label anybody anything. There are a lot of non muslims, and non westerners at the same time, in this forum. Who are the only people who are arrogantly trying to -somehow- correct muslims' view of things, and impose/show that the Western way of life and principles are the only respectable ones? Only people who come from western nations. What gives you the right? Who are you to do that? Unbelievable. You attack a postee personally because he doesn't agree with you (when he hasn't done the same), and you interfere in an issue that you have nothing to do with in teh first place. And then you claim that they are haters and extremists ..and...<insert media crap>. Ciao Liban
A poll among Danes showed overwhelming support of those so called "people" of this atrocity...
So you have no point Miss West is #1.... Liban Linda.... you rock!!! :) GoodBai Linda, I'm not trying to silence anyone who criticises western countries at all, just putting the other side of the coin... surely a good thing to hear all points of view on any issue on a forum like this. It's not about "correcting" a Muslim's view of things or trying to impose another way of thinking on them, rather to offer an exchange of views on an issue and offer a different perspective. There's nothing wrong with that. It's not arrogance or trying to force a view on someone else. I still say your view of the media is jaundiced even if you are narrowing it down to international politics and the view of other civilisations. You suggest there is a hidden agenda to distort things against Muslims. Well I think you do a great disservice to the many excellent, professionally trained and impartial journalists who, in western publications and on radio and TV, give the public the facts about what is going on and scrutinise western policies intensely. In the publications I have worked on as a journalist, never have I witnessed reporters, subs or anyone else sit down with a pre-ordained agenda to twist things and give the public a biased view of the world, whether in relation to Arab nations or elsewhere. As far as Liban goes, there is nothing wrong with someone expressing a view passionately but he sometimes does invite rebuke with his aggressive, sabre-rattling tirades of which the folowing is but one example of many: "As far as I am concerned, the Jews are a curse on this planet... They are like a disease. They infest and spread like vermin." Now that kind of thing I do find offensive, hate-filled and extreme, whatever the rights and wrongs of things in the Middle East. kanelli Linda, just as you feel I don't show any sympathy about an issue I have had no hand in creating, I feel that you are on the defensive and rarely provide a balanced view of an argument. You always defend the Arab/Muslim side. You condone nasty language and a bad attitude by Liban, just because you have a fiance who is Arab and you are now oversympathetic to the issues. I do contribute to the topics in these threads and am provoked into saying something about Liban when he spews his usual bad attitude. There is one thread where I brought Liban up first - and I will admit that freely. Liban, the Danish people are right! The government should not apologise for the actions of one stupid newspaper editor. Also, Danish people value free speech, whether it is good or bad and they will protect that right. If you choose to see this as a reason to loathe the Danish people, go ahead! Liban and Linda, you seem to look at every Westerner like they owe an apology to the Arab world. Every perceived offense to Islam or an Arab nation automatically means that all citizens in the offending country or region of the world are complicit. I feel this is totally unreasonable, and a double standard. kanelli
Did you miss this post Linda? arniegang both camps here have a sort of case, so i suppose you could say im gonna sit on the fence - pmsl theres a first. :shock: What i would like to say though as a form of obsrvation, and not to flame this issue is. I would like to summerise in my own words what i think Kanelli and GB are gettin at in relation to Liban. Liban please dont over react. Liban, it is clear that you are of well above average intellegence. This is obvious from the excellent knowledge you have in your writings. However on a personal level some of "what you say" and "how you say it", concerns me greatly. You will no doubt remember a few weeks ago, that within a discussion, you had to resort within the arguement/heated debate ( call it what you will ) making a physical threat. Equally you speak of others with real and genuine hatred. It is clear, that people like myself on here, do not either understand or concur with that level of mentallity. Clearly, i do not have the same level of hatred for any group or individuals as you, and i think in this thread Kanelli and GB are saying so also, "between the lines". If you think it is acceptable and enjoy trying make yourself look like some sort of "hard man" in here, then clearly that is your perogotive. I will go back to my original comments regarding your intellegence. Your points, which in the main carry great value and are generally very interesting to read would carry you far more respect and interest, if you could post without all the "i only live one traffic light away from you and i will come and drag you out and beat you to crap", which we all know is just words and bollox anyway. Posting it in here, and if you actually done it, would get you at least 10-15 years. Anyhow, just my 10 pence worth. Liban
I stand by my declaration. Damn them for what they did to the Virgin Mary and damn them from what they did from that point till today.
Their Messiah (savior) is the Anti-Christ.... How can they live with themselves....???? They made a mokery of Moses...
Shameful people... GoodBai Liban... what arnie says is true, you are obviously intelligent and have genuinely-held views, but you also suffer from tunnel vision and have a chip on your shoulder the size of Africa. There will be no peace in this world if the majority are as entrenched as you are. Liban
You'd have to prove that I did it. It would be one hell of a coincidence but it would be just that - a coincidence.
Also, 10 pence??? Thats practically 1 AED... Way too rich for my blood :lol: Liban
I already said what would allow for peace in this world. You, and Kanelli, obviously are too entrenched in your misaligned accusations of my being a bla bla bla to properly read what I typed.
But thats OK, you two are blinded by your prejudice. GoodBai Liban, your view of the world, the west and everything else are all too clear from the words you yourself write on here. Liban Read my posts in detail and then come back to discuss my views... Those who attack them obviously do not understand what I am trying to say or where I am coming from... Regrettable. hashman Liban if I am Jewish man who believes non-violence and other atrocities against humanity and respect other religion why the hell should I be killed just for being a Jew? Well Jewish ppl have been tortured by Europeans and restricted from civil anf other positions so Jews had to find a way to earna living which was mainly by business. Now after the Holocaust those Europeans found a solution to dump most of the Jews so they got the land and Jews in the hope of better living left for Palestine. Yes they have commited so may atrocities but that is in the case of most of the wars. Now they feel the burnt from arabs. My main question is why should u hate a Jew for just being a Jew? Chocoholic Kanelli has a really good point! You go on about punishing those who printed this stuff, but in boycotting all you do is make those innocent working people who had nothing to do with it suffer - where's the logic. Linda, Your whole take on everything is one-sided and screwed. Yshimy, you still fail to see the big picture, you seem to waste a lot of time getting het up and engrossed with things that at the end of the day are small time compared to alot of other things. Liban, I think you need to chill out dude. You do come across as very aggressive with a bit of a chip on your shoulder. And all this we WILL be the best, you WILL respect us doesn't do you any favours. Plus you keep harping on about colonialisation and the crusades, are you constantly going to blame the future generations for something they had nothing to do with? What do you want us to do? Build a time machine and undo it all - live in the now dude! In those times as has been said those with stronger armies or naval capabilities were able to expand their empires, it's just the way it went. Liban
Why do Jews always act like victims????
Burnt from Arabs? Hehehehe that is laughable.... As if WE stole your lands.... As if WE deported you from your home.... Sure... Arabs burnt the Jews... Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee...........
Why did your people betray the teachings of Moses with that golden goat? Why did your people curse the Virgin Mary? Why did they turn their backs on Jesus? Why did they betray Mohammed? Why do they want to control everything today? Why is it when we speak against Israel (the country), all Jews call us anti-semites when Arabs are semetic also?
Answer me this and you will know 10% of the whole reason we have a beef with you....
Note, that there are good Jews I am sure... But they are far and few in between and even if they were born in Country A and never been to Israel, their loyalties lie with that illigitamite Western creation and for that reason also, we do not like you all that much. Chocoholic Liban, slightly hypocrital seeing as you're now the one crying and acting like a victim over a little drawing - Duh! Liban
I disagree....
If is happening again today with Bush's crusade.... Bush even used the word CRUSADE... Fcuking bastard...
The West wants a crusade.... The West will get one hell of a response.... kanelli Liban, you call for the sword instead of political action! If the Arabs could band together and use their influence (hello oil!) to take POLITICAL action against countries that displease them - then that would be worthwhile and many people would not have to die because of terrorism or possible war. Unfortunately, too many radical Arabs only know to use the sword (or bomb etc.) instead of their brains. The Jews have an excellent political lobby but the Arabs can't seem to get their shit together and lobby for action. Want to know why it is hard to band the Arabs together? Because there are still dictatorships that don't listen to the people, and they are too busy fighting over internal issues like which branch of Islam is best. Stop blaming everyone else and do something to effect POLITICAL change, not just sitting in your armchair talking about violence. Maybe terrorists think that violence effects political change, but in the end it only creates conditions for war, which is unfair to millions of innocent people on every side. Use brains instead of brawn and it will get you further! I use my right to vote and sign petitions to speak out against actions that I don't approve of and support actions I do approve of, what about you? I have to say that I am impressed with this whole boycott issue because at least something political/economic is beind done, even if I feel it is misplaced in this case. There needs to be more peaceful and strategic actions like this, not killing Danish people! kanelli To clarify, when I say "you" in my last post, it is not specifically for Liban. Don't want my post misinterpreted. Liban You fail to grasp the issue. If Arabs use oil as a weapon, the US will take counter action. It needs the oil feilds and it will take take action to seaze them as it did in Kuwait (its a defacto US territory), Iraq, Saudi before, etc.... You are naive if you think that an oil weapon will work.... Liban Also, you use your right to vote to make change??? Millions of Canadians living in your country want: Lower taxes Better Healthcare Better roads Lower gas taxes Better education etc... The more things change, the more things stay the same.... Governments come and go and its the same old crap.... So please.... I lived there for many years.... Case in point; When the liberals promissed to remove the GST 15 years ago and they were subsequently elected, what happened? Nothing.... OK, so now you have the PC under that Harper dude.... Think anything is gonna change??? NO! But I digress.... I will repeat because you seem to keep missing my point over and over again... If the west understands the saber and uses it, we will respond in kind and then some... If the west wants to genuinly talk, then withdraw from our lands, cut off your support for the terrorist and pariah Israel, and we will talk. Intimacy Those who throw dust at the sun
the dust falls in their own eyes Liban
I hope all those that try to rebuke me take note of what Intimacy has just said. kanelli
Excuse me, the US went into Kuwait because Iraq went into Kuwait - don't rewrite history Liban. Even if there was some gain in that for the US, I'm sure the Kuwaitis don't mind that they are still Kuwaitis and not Iraqis. I didn't see all kinds of other armies rushing in to do the job from neighbouring Arab countries...

You have failed to grasp the issue. If all the Arab nations banded together it would mean that the US would face retribution from more than one nation and would think twice before trying to invade. Do you really think that other Western nations would support the US if they attacked just for oil purposes? The world has already found out that there were no WMDs and the US used military action for revenge against Saddam (who did deserve to be overthrown) and oil. There is very low support for continued occupation of Iraq and protest are still being held every year in many countries. (I should know, because I have attended!) In case you don't remember, the US invasion of Iraq was not sanctioned by the UN - the US acted unilaterally on that one - so all Western countries are not complicit. Even though the US went in, the rest of the world is keen to see a peaceful and stable Iraq and have gotten involve in that effort. By now, the US is getting so far in debt because of war and it is stretching itself thin. If the US would not get support from other nations it simply could not attack another country. It is all politics, and as GoodBai and some others have mentioned - the West DOES NOT have a conspiracy against the Arabs, especially not because they are Arab or Muslim. Have you ever wondered why many Arab nations have not militarily attacked the US over Iraq? Because they knew Saddam was a tyrant and not worth it, and they want to protect their own oil revenue. Maybe some Arab nations need to get their priorities straight - oil wealth, or making offending countries lose power by crippling their economy. mAJOR pAIN
i dont bout you but this is funny !!! ... MAN your OIL CANON! Ensd in the OIL Bomber !!!! YEAH FRY THOSE FCKERS !!! a lil bit ginger and onion pls !!!!!! heheehehe
heheeheh ok men ... (immitating the last stance of putting bayonet) its time to get your baby oil ! get ready to connect !!! !! ATTACK !!!!
oil weapon ... anyway dont mind me guys pls do go on ... i just thought its funny ...heheheeheh mAJOR pAIN
i dont know bout you but this is funny !!! ... MAN your OIL CANON! Ensd in the OIL Bomber !!!! YEAH FRY THOSE FCKERS !!! a lil bit ginger and onion pls !!!!!! heheehehe
heheeheh ok men ... (immitating the last stance of putting bayonet) its time to get your baby oil ! get ready to connect !!! !! ATTACK !!!!
oil weapon ... anyway dont mind me guys pls do go on ... i just thought its funny ...heheheeheh GoodBai A sad fact in Iraq is that the overwhelming majority of the many people who are being slaughtered on a daily basis are Muslims who are dying at the hands of fellow Muslims. arniegang As was those killed when Iraq invaded Kuwait kanelli Yeah, don't you love the double standard? In Iraq you have Muslims from other countries coming for various reasons. For example, - to kill some coalition soldiers - to kill fellow Muslims from a different branch of Islam so that one's own branch would become stronger politically - to kidnap Westerners who come to Iraq to help rebuild, report what is going on to the rest of the world, provide medical aid and security - just to make some money or try to get more of their own people out of prison etc. Muslims are killing innocent Muslims, and coalition troops are killing innocent Muslims, but the coalition are evil and the Muslims are within their rights? Why the double standard? Young Iraqi men line up for training to become police so that the coalition forces can leave sooner - but they just get blown up by Muslims from neighbouring countries who want to manipulate the politics in Iraq. The coalition is trying to help get a government set up in the hopes that peace and security can be restored, but there is too much fighting amongst the differing religious factions. Also, the elected and appointed officials keep getting assassinated by fellow Muslims. Where is the unity of the Arab nations? Where is the Arab support to get Iraq back into shape so that its citizens can prosper? Anyhow, I doubt any of these points are going to get through to Liban or any of the other "blame everything on the West" types here. They'll keep wielding their religious swords despite logic, reason, and contrary evidence. Liban 1) Tell those damn soldiers to leave Arab land 2) I will not discuss inter-Islamic issues with non beleivers 3) We don't need any westerners coming in to Iraq who are part of Christian groups (as many of those people are), or westerners in the "security" field who protect illegitimate forces/people, etc... The coalition is setting up a peace for puppets for better control over Iraqi oil and national assets as well as driving to creating military bases like in Germany during the Cold War... How galant of them. The people lining up to be soldiers are actually helping the Americans and as such taking unnecessary risks. Westerners should butt out. We don't want them involving themselves, we don't need them to talk in our place, we don't want them discussing inter-Islamic disagreements... I mean you don't see Arab countries, like say Jordan, speaking on the deep schisms in Christianity now do you??? Leave us be. If we have a problem with our governments, which we do for the most part, we will deal with them. But if you stick your finger in our affairs, we will bite it off. Now back to the main thread topic. kanelli Exactly the response I expected. I especially like number 2! Very convenient :lol: I'm done banging my head on a wall. :wink: Liban
EXactly the comeback I was waiting for too...
Did you crack your skull yet??? :? kanelli I really do pity you Liban. Seriously. Liban Keep your pity for yourself you ignorant person. kanelli
:lol: Chocoholic



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