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'Christian Terrorists'


shafique Now that eh has expanded his count of terrorist converts from the UK to now include the US, it allows us to look at the phenomenon of Christian terrorism in the US.
First, this is what an Atheist site lists as Biblical commandments for Christians to kill non-Christians:
And here is an entry from February this year about a Christian terrorist:

Now, of course I wouldn't be troll-like and argue that the above are representative of what good Christians believe, or what Jesus taught - but it does demonstrate that naive empiricism is a trap easily fallen into (whether you are an atheist or an Islamophobe living in the Orientalist past!)
That said, given that eh-oh refuses to condemn Goldstein the Jewish Terrorist, perhaps he does believe in the Biblical injunctions to kill non-believers???
Cheers,
Shafique
event horizon I'm really glad shafique has created this thread so that now Christian militancy around the world can be monitored.

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May have been Christian terrorists... event horizon
May have been Christian terrorists... shafique Typical response - the 'Muslims' did it! :lol: Cheers, Shafique event horizon Wow - where did I say the Muslims were responsible for the suicide bombings in Pakistan, including one bomber who targeted a group of anti-Taliban tribal elders? Could my post have not been any clearer? I said: 'may have been Christian terrorists...' event horizon A suicide bomber driving a water tanker packed with explosives blew himself up near a police station, killing seven policemen and wounding 10, said Hussein Ali, a police major in the area west of the city of Ramadi, 100 km (60 miles) west of Baghdad. May have been Christian terrorists... event horizon
May have been Christian fundies.... shafique Yawn. Still with the ostrich defense? What part of the thread's title and opening post confused you eh-oh? When you read 'terrorist' do you automatically think 'Muslim'? (That would explain why Baruch Goldstein is not condemned by you) Cheers, Shafique event horizon Sorry, I have stated in my posts that Christians fundies were probably behind the terror attacks I've posted. After all, the proof is in the pudding is in the eating, right?

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shafique Yeah, right ...? :? emilymacwalles I think that the religion must be for the people. When the religion is against the life of the people same that religion is? event horizon
More Christian fundie attacks...
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Possible attack by Christian terrorists.... shafique
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Two more attacks possibly carried out by Christian fundies.... shafique Thanks for bumping this thread about Christian terrorists and highlighting that the media rarely reports on this aspect of Christianity. Your other thread about Christian vs Muslim converts who commit terrorist acts (currently around 200 vs 1) also makes this point - thanks. Cheers, Shafique event horizon

So many attacks carried out by Christian fundies....

Are you kidding? I've linked to more than half a dozen terror attacks possibly carried out by Christian fundies in as many days.
To me, it seems like the news is reporting on at least some of the attacks carried out by Christians. I suspect that the actual numbers of Christian fundie terror attacks is actually higher. event horizon
It's easy to lose count of the numerous Christian suicide bombers....
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shafique
Thank you again. event horizon

What I want to know is, why place the blame on the Taliban when this attack was clearly carried out by Christian fundies?
Everyone knows it. It's simply that no one can criticize The Religion of Peace or else the PC brigade will take you away to their re-education camps. shafique Yes, interesting question in a thread about Christian terrorism. Cheers, Shafique shafique Thanks for bumping the thread once again - it is good to remind people that Christian terrorists also kill in the name of their religion. The fact that the media does not focus on these events is also noted - thanks for making this point too eh. Cheers, Shafique event horizon
Might be Christian fundies...... event horizon
Might be a Christian fundie.......... event horizon
May be more Christian fundies......... event horizon
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1012/pakistan.html
May have been a Christian extremist......... event horizon
I take a few days off and I miss all these attacks carried out by Christian extremists :( shafique You're quite welcome. It is certainly interesting to contrast the media coverage of the non-Muslim terror groups - not least the Christian ones. As we have a thread contrasting the statistics of terrorist acts vs the Fox News type hype, there doesn't seem much sense in repeating the facts here as well. Cheers, Shafique event horizon You started this thread on Christian terrorists - Christian fundies who are motivated (according to their own words) to carry out violent attacks for the purpose of establishing a religious theocracy. I agree with your definition of a Christian fundie and I am documenting violent attacks carried out by Christian extremists just as you have done in the OP. Hopefully Christians will begin to question the texts and teachings of their religion after reading this thread. After all, it should come as no surprise that a religious text which commands Christians to wage warfare against infidels, dehumanizes unbelievers, and guarantees immediate paradise for its holy warriors who kill and are killed fighting unbelievers would inspire so much violence. Again, thank you for this thread. It sheds light on the fruits of the New Testament, with its violent commands, and the Sunnah of Jesus and the early apostles, who waged offensive warfare, engaged in slavery, banditry and massacres. Thanks again for this thread. shafique Excellent - I'm glad you took notice of the thread's title.
I totally agree - Christian fundamentalist terrorist groups should indeed be condemned.
I also extend this to Jewish terrorists such as Goldstein - but that is another thread and another unanswered question.
I see you are reverting to form and re-hashing your beliefs of a violent early Islam - fair enough, but that is for another thread and not really relevant to current day Christian terrorism.
Cheers,
Shafique shafique It's worth just reviewing what I wrote in the initial thread:

I presume that the last question is still to be answered?
Cheers,
Shafique event horizon
Suspected Christian terrorists blowing themselves up once again. It's almost as if the New Testament says that Christian holy warriors who are killed whilst fighting unbelievers will gain immediate entry into Paradise. event horizon
More suspected Christian terrorists.... shafique
Was the question unclear? event horizon
More suicide bombings carried out by Christian extremists... shafique What is remarkable is that you feel the need to bump this thread to remind people that Christian terrorists also exist, despite the fact that so much killings of Muslims is taking place now-a-days. Thanks for this.
I guess that you wanted to make the point that if misguided Islamophobes say that Muslims committing acts of violence are using the Quran to justify their actions, then the same argument can be used for the violence carried out by Christian terrorists - for they carry out acts of violence because of their religious beliefs.
You would also be making the same point about Jewish Terrorists such as Baruch Goldstein - who used the Bible as a justification for killing unarmed worshippers.
Thanks for highlighting these facts for us - that it is not only Muslims killing (and dying) in the name of religion.
Cheers,
Shafique event horizon I take Christian terrorists at their own word that the texts and teachings of Christianity is what drives them to carry out terror attacks. It also helps when they supply their manifestos, communiques, and fatwas with numerous New Testament passages of Jesus waging offensive wars or the commands in the New Testament of Jesus calling for perpetual warfare against unbelievers (in addition to the passages which say holy warriors will gain immediate entry into paradise if they die whilst killing unbelievers). shafique Cool - the examples I gave in the opening thread are indeed Christians who use their beliefs to justify killing others. I specifically chose those who unambiguously are killing people because of their belief of the Bible. It is good that eh takes them at their own words. However, I didn't read a condemnation of these Christian Terrorists - although I think it was implied. Bravo - at least this is a bit better than the refusal to condemn Baruch Goldstein, the Jewish Terrorist who is venerated by some. Cheers, Shafique event horizon No problems shafique. I was only adding to your one example of a mentally depressed man who killed another man in a shooting spree by all of these examples of Christians who have carried out suicide bombings - or in New Testament speak, martyrdom operations. shafique You're welcome too. I'll gloss over the fact you seem to be condoning/excusing the Christian terrorist's who do justify their killings with their faith. There are those who, like you, refuse to condemn Baruch Goldstein as a Jewish Terrorist and venerate his actions - just like there are those who celebrate the killings of doctors who carry out abortions. However, I don't generalise and condemn Judaism or Christianity because of the actions of Jewish and Christian terrorists who use the Bible to justify their acts of terrorism. It is interesting that in this thread we haven't seen a condemnation of the terrorism committed in the name of the Bible from you. Cheers, Shafique event horizon I thought I've condemned Christian suicide bombings in this thread left and right. :( Once again, I condemn Christian suicide bombers who use the texts and doctrines of Christianity to wage holy war against unbelievers and condemn the passages in the New Testament which say to attack unbelievers, demonize and dehumanize infidels and call for martyrdom for those Christian holy warriors who, after being whipped into a frenzy by the militant, intolerant and violent passages in the New Testament, are told they will enter Paradise if they are killed whilst killing unbelievers. Undoubtedly, these passages are directly responsible for contemporary Christian terrorism that is displayed on a daily basis, including the daily suicide bombings that seems to strike a new country every week. shafique Apologies - I must have confused your continuing non-condemnation of Jewish Terrorists with this thread. I'm glad you join me in condemning the contemporary Christian terrorism taking place in the name of Christianity. I also join you in condemning terrorist acts being committed by Muslims in the name of Islam (or just terrorism in general, whatever the justification). It's good to agree. Shame you can't join me in condemning Baruch Goldstein as a Jewish Terrorist - but hey, why focus on the negatives? Cheers, Shafique event horizon
:( event horizon These violent suicide bombings are directly attributable to the teachings of the New Testament, where Jesus says in the epistle of James:

The living should rejoice suicide bombers (martyrs) - those who do die whilst killing unbelievers

Wage war against unbelievers and hypocrites - Christians who die will attain Paradise but their enemies will suffer the torments of Gehenna (hell) forever

Christians are to strike 'terror' into the hearts of unbelievers - Jesus says so

Fight unbelievers who are near to Christians. This is what Jesus would do, afterall

Fight against unbelievers because they are unbelievers until the world submits to Christian rule

Jews and pagans are the worst of created beings - so, don't feel bad if you kill a few

Christians are to love each other but hate unbelievers

Fight polytheists until they give up their religion and become Christians shafique Again, many thanks for bumping this thread about the Christian terrorist organisations that operate today and the lack of coverage in the media. I wonder which verses of the Bible they use to justify their killings? Perhaps they used this very long list from here: Cheers, Shafique event horizon Probably this verse:

Blasts strike across Pakistan
Three explosions have hit Pakistan, with the latest killing at least 17 people travelling to a wedding in the northwest tribal region.
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The explosion in Peshawar occurred barely hours after a suicide bomb blast left at least seven people dead and nine others wounded at a military base near the country's capital.
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The assailant was reportedly riding a bicycle and detonated the bomb when stopped at a security checkpoint on the access road to the complex, police said.

Once again, thanks for this thread. shafique I have to say, I am impressed the way in which you keep bumping this thread about Christian terrorism every time that Muslims carry out terrorist attacks - it is a good thing you remind us that despite the media coverage, Christian and Jewish terrorist groups also use the Bible to justify killing of innocents. Very enlightening of you. It is a shame that you continue to refuse to condemn Jewish Terrorists though - but hey, the world isn't perfect. Cheers, Shafique event horizon
It's unfortunate that some Christians take Jesus' words in the epistle of James literally.
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event horizon Christian terrorists strike again....

It's unfortunate that Jesus teaches, in the epistle of James, that Christians who die whilst killing unbelievers will gain immediate entry into Paradise and that Christians should rejoice martyrdom.
:( event horizon And here I was thinking (due to the relative lull in violence in the past two days) that Christian terrorists had run out of bombs/ martyrs:

event horizon Christian fundies are attacking the UN just like they have done in Pakistan and Iraq:

shafique This list was brought to my attention - a whole bunch of terror cells in the USA:
And this of another Christian terrorist from 2007 (again in the US - there seems to be a rich seam of Bible-basing-bombers there!):
And here's a story of 8 Christian Terrorists arrested for murder - link has pictures of the eight 'hill billies'/rednecks:
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Staying with the Americas, the Bolivian priest who hijacked a plane after receiving a revelation this year (on 9/9/09) - another Christian terrorist:
And finally, a longish rant about Christian terrorism - some good points for eh to address (although I can predict he'll just blame the Muslims - that seems to be his standard response! ;) ) :
Cheers,
Shafique event horizon Thanks shafique - it's always interesting to read more on Christian terror attacks, including attacks where there have been no arrests or suspects (just go ahead and assume Christian 'fundamentalists' carried them out I spose) and a 'hijacking' of a flight by a priest who wanted to warn the Mexican president of an earthquake.
Here are some more attacks by Christian terrorists too. This time, they seem to be focusing in on Iraq:

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Edit: It would appear that some of the casualties were the work of two Christian suicide bombers:

You would think that there would be a shortage of Christian suicide bombers by now...... shafique
You're quite welcome.
The story about the 8 who were convicted of murder and whose photos were published I thought was particularly apt.
They are the type of people who, like you, would not condemn Baruch Goldstein either. (By contrast I condemn all terrorists and therefore can't be said to agree with methods or motivation of any Muslim terrorist). They would probably admit to believing in Rapture also, I'd imagine (perhaps I'm stereotyping ... ?? )
But, as I predicted, your response is not one of condemning the Bible-bashing-terrorists - but to play the Fox News Headline game and blame the Muslims! ;)
Cheers,
Shafique event horizon
More attacks carried out by Christian fundies....
More suicide bombers:

Don't worry, Christians should rejoice as these shaheeds will receive the gifts of Paradise for killing and dying for God as Jesus sez in the epistle of James... event horizon
Christian terrorists carry out another martyrdom operation.....
shafique What is the obsession with resurrecting a thread about Christians killing others in the name of the Bible by posting stories about terrorists who you are happy to condemn because they are not white or Jewish? I also don't understand your latest obsession with 'Qadiyanis' - I mean what relevance does a news story from 2004 about 3000 converting in India have to do with any topic anyone here is discussing? (It seems to stem from the fact that I quoted a list of Biblical quotes from a website which just gave the references and quotes in full - pretty much like I quote SkepticsannotatedBible all the time as well, but I don't see you picking on atheists. Is it because you assume the atheists are white??) But why pick on a story from 2004? - do you enjoy living in the past! ;) Is it because I keep asking you to condemn a white Jewish person who killed in the name of the Bible? Or is it because your count of Muslim converts terrorists is so much smaller than the equivalent count of Christian Convert terrorists (so much so that you refuse to update your last count of 6??) Or is it perhaps because you do, after all, believe in Rapture because the Bible tells you so?? ;) Cheers, Shafique event horizon
Where have I brought up Qadiyanis in this thread? Did you get lost and are now posting on the wrong thread (which is what I suspect) or are you trying to be funny and divert attention away from Christian terrorists who have killed hundreds of unbelievers and carried out dozens of suicide bombings in this thread alone?
I understand that you are frustrated by the lack of terrorist attacks carried out by members of non-Christian faiths, but this thread was started to document Christian terrorism and I am simply adhering to the OP by listing terror attacks carried out by Christian fantaics - including numerous suicide bombings in Iraq and Pakistan.
Once again, I thank you for this thread and I think it's good for Christians to see just how violent their coreligionists are, assuming that Christians would take offense to the actions of fellow Christians and aren't really supporting attacks against unbelievers to defend the honor of Christianity. shafique What was that - did you say something about posting something not relevant to this thread about Christians who kill people because of their views from the Bible? Surely not. (And you didn't explain your obsession either - but then again, you didn't explain why you refuse to condemn Goldstein and whether it is because he is white and a Jew, nor whether you do believe in Rapture - which would explain a lot of your other 'special' views) Cheers, Shafique event horizon
More killed by Christian suicide bombers.... shafique
(I noticed that you chose not address either your obsession, nor the fact you continue to refuse to condemn terrorists when they are white and Jewish - or your views on Rapture).
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Not sure if this was a suicide bombing, but given the number of suicide bombings in Pakistan carried out by Christian fanatics, I'll go ahead and assume so. shafique
Why do I continue to live in hope that one day you'll answer some questions?? ;) event horizon
More suicide bombings carried out by Christian fanatics..... shafique You argue that when Christian Convert terrorists kill and say they are just fighting to be independent - this is ok, but when a Muslim targets an occupying soldiers, this is terrorism. I personally would condemn the killing of innocents as terrorism - but Islamophobes tend to not agree to this definition when Nato, US and Israeli troops claim 'collateral damage' excuse when they kill civilians. Do you now agree with me and call Israeli actions acts of Terrorism!!? Hmmm. But then again, given that the stats show that Christian converts caused more terrorist deaths than Muslim Converts (not to say that you only have come up with 6 so far, compared to the hundreds of Christian convert terrorists) - I understand your embarrassment. It does also show that Christians using the Bible to justify their killings is a continuing problem - so again I thank you for keeping this thread alive (even if your selective quoting makes you look foolish again by giving examples of non-terrorist acts) Cheers, Shafique event horizon looks like back-to-back suicide bombings!


I guess you could say that Jesus' comment in the epistle of James was the verse that launched a thousand suicide bombings....... shafique I repeat my earlier observation that you continue to refuse to condemn white Jewish religous terrorists who kill Muslims and excuse Christian Converts when they commit terrorist acts in the name of liberation of their state - and yet open yourself up to accusations of hypocrisy by implying that Muslims fighting against occupying forces are terrorists. I happen to agree that all the guys blowing up civilians are criminals and terrorists - from Israelis to Afghans, but you first check the religion and race before you condemn. Jesus' words about the plank in your own eye are, still, applicable.' (And all because you are reminded that your quaint views on the Bible and Quran are laughable) Cheers, Shafique event horizon Please quote where I have excused the terror attacks carried out by secular Christian and non-Christian members of the nationalist/leftist NLFT? shafique I see that you are going on the defensive again - all I did was ask you whether your count had reached 7 actual terrorists yet and reminded everyone that you refuse to condemn a white Jewish terrorist who killed Muslims and justified this using the Bible (and therefore you are like those who venerate his actions - for they too refuse to condemn his actions). If you do join me and condemn all the terrorist acts of the Christian Converts of the NLFT etc, then that is good - we agree that they committed terrorist acts. Therefore you will agree that my count of 232 is an underestimate of the number of actual Christian Convert terrorists who killed/attacked people whilst serving in the 'National Holy Army' - and let us not forget that there are many instances in the list where people were killed for refusing to convert to Christianity (you can count these instances when you verify that my count of 232 is too low). I await your updated count (perhaps you have reached 8 by now??) - and your confirmation that Christian Converts have produced more terrorists and killed more people in the same period. I hope you won't be avoiding the statistics and reverting to your 'quaint' belief that aren't supported by hard facts. Cheers, Shafique event horizon 11 more taken out by a Christian suicide bomber....... event horizon Gotta support the underdogs....

.....even if they are Christian nutters. event horizon



No suicide bombings........ event horizon
Another day, another suicide bombing....
.....by Christian religious fanatics....
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Christian fanatics blowing themselves up in markets...
What else is new?
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Christian warfare against crowded markets.... event horizon
Christian martyrdom seekers....



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