St.Lucifer
Just out of inquisitiveness.. can a non Arab, non muslim guy marry an Arab girl.. is it allowed in UAE ?
dale
i think this has been discussed before in some thread...
Bleakus
yeah it was discussed before.......well
here in dubai it doesnt matter, it depends on the parents of both sides. But a non muslim guy cannot marry a muslim girl, the islamic law here wont marry them...
thats what i know
Chocoholic
Wouldn't the guy have to convert to Islam first?
Bleakus
- Chocoholic wrote:
Wouldn't the guy have to convert to Islam first?
For them to get married yes
bushra21
like bleakus said, it depends on the parents. also you wont have a legal marriage though since you are not muslim (because no one will legaly marry you here).
so,
whos the lucky girl :wink:
Corcovado
what about civil marriage? do they acknowledge it in UAE? cos in lebanon u cant have civil marriage but if u went out of the country and did it , when u come you will recognized as a husband and wife with all the rights just like a religious wedding.. :shock: :shock:
bushra21
- Corcovado wrote:
what about civil marriage? do they acknowledge it in UAE? cos in lebanon u cant have civil marriage but if u went out of the country and did it , when u come you will recognized as a husband and wife with all the rights just like a religious wedding.. :shock: :shock:
if he was muslim, then yes it would be recognized. however, since he is not the marriage will not be.
St.Lucifer
- bushra21 wrote:
like bleakus said, it depends on the parents. also you wont have a legal marriage though since you are not muslim (because no one will legaly marry you here).
so,
whos the lucky girl :wink:
Just keepin it as a nice surprise to all ;)
sniper420
- Chocoholic wrote:
Wouldn't the guy have to convert to Islam first?
Not ALL arabs are muslims .....choco dont u get it after staying in SA and UAE :shock:
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valkyrie
That's kind of dumb that a non muslim man can't marry a muslim woman.
Isn't that a kind of discrimination, like an african man can't marry a white woman even if they love each other?
alina_4u
- valkyrie wrote:
That's kind of dumb that a non muslim man can't marry a muslim woman.
Isn't that a kind of discrimination, like an african man can't marry a white woman even if they love each other?
no its not discrimination... its a religion and thats how it works....
And if he loves her, it shouldn't be a problem for him to convert
valkyrie
well if a non circumsized man converts to Islam, wouldn't he have to get circumsized. ouch
And yes it is discrimination, if the man very religious or an athiest it would be an insult to have to convert/ subscribe to a set of beliefs that he doesn't care for.
Alina4u
Are you muslim? If so and you fell in love with a non muslim, why can't you just convert out of your religion. This is a double standard that exists in the muslim world. As Kanelli has said people of other faiths, or even other sects of Islam are routinely discriminated against. If you expect moderates in the west to not discriminate than surely you (muslims) need to do the same. Bahai's in Iran are sometimes hung yet I have never heard a muslim organization in the west or in the muslim world speak out against these injustices. They usually only speak out against one injustice in the middle east and that's zionism. The west will never take you seriously until muslims unequivicolly denounce muslim imperialism and discrimination against women, homose.xuals, religious minorities and even racism against non arabs as seen in Saudi and Sudan. Muslims nowadays only speak against zionism and bristle against any criticisms on Islam, thats to bad, your religion has its faults and the Koran needs to be updated for the 21st century.
bushra21
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
O O can i do it? ;);)
can i help?
Oh! and can we make a stop at someone elses place to...i believe he said he was living in qatar or kuwait and his dad was a sheikh...shouldnt be too hard....
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
well if a non circumsized man converts to Islam, wouldn't he have to get circumsized. ouch
And yes it is discrimination, if the man very religious or an athiest it would be an insult to have to convert/ subscribe to a set of beliefs that he doesn't care for.
Alina4u
Are you muslim? If so and you fell in love with a non muslim, why can't you just convert out of your religion. This is a double standard that exists in the muslim world. As Kanelli has said people of other faiths, or even other sects of Islam are routinely discriminated against. If you expect moderates in the west to not discriminate than surely you (muslims) need to do the same. Bahai's in Iran are sometimes hung yet I have never heard a muslim organization in the west or in the muslim world speak out against these injustices. They usually only speak out against one injustice in the middle east and that's zionism. The west will never take you seriously until muslims unequivicolly denounce muslim imperialism and discrimination against women, homose.xuals, religious minorities and even racism against non arabs as seen in Saudi and Sudan. Muslims nowadays only speak against zionism and bristle against any criticisms on Islam, thats to bad, your religion has its faults and the Koran needs to be updated for the 21st century.
lol ....... religions can be changed but not race....ther are some religions like Judaism and Druzze that u cant even convert unless one of ur parents is from their religion. And yes there are muslims that protest against the conditions in muslim world but u rarely see published in paper. U have to c muslim world is not central organization , it is disperesed. And e did u read the Quran to say it to b changed? Cos as far as i know it hasnt been changed and isnt allowed o b changed until the day of judgement
valkyrie
lol ....... religions can be changed but not race....ther are some religions like Judaism and Druzze that u cant even convert unless one of ur parents is from their religion. And yes there are muslims that protest against the conditions in muslim world but u rarely see published in paper. U have to c muslim world is not central organization , it is disperesed. And e did u read the Quran to say it to b changed? Cos as far as i know it hasnt been changed and isnt allowed o b changed until the day of judgement
There are many people who convert to Judaism. Where are these Muslims that you speak of? I notice that muslims usually refer to the wahabbis in Saudi as not real muslims, and the Taliban as not real muslims, and the Clerics in London who call for the deaths of non muslims as not real muslims. So my question is, who are the real muslims? Where are these groups that speak (routinely) against the honor killings in Iran (and Pakistan) and the killing of Bahai's. Could you show post their website? I'm sorry to say this, but even if there are a couple of muslim groups in the West that seek true equality between Homos.exuals and other alienated groups its just spitting in the wind.
religions can be changed but not race
Does that mean that you can convert out of Islam without being labelled an apostate? :roll:
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
well if a non circumsized man converts to Islam, wouldn't he have to get circumsized. ouch
And yes it is discrimination, if the man very religious or an athiest it would be an insult to have to convert/ subscribe to a set of beliefs that he doesn't care for.
Alina4u
Are you muslim? If so and you fell in love with a non muslim, why can't you just convert out of your religion. This is a double standard that exists in the muslim world. As Kanelli has said people of other faiths, or even other sects of Islam are routinely discriminated against. If you expect moderates in the west to not discriminate than surely you (muslims) need to do the same. Bahai's in Iran are sometimes hung yet I have never heard a muslim organization in the west or in the muslim world speak out against these injustices. They usually only speak out against one injustice in the middle east and that's zionism. The west will never take you seriously until muslims unequivicolly denounce muslim imperialism and discrimination against women, homose.xuals, religious minorities and even racism against non arabs as seen in Saudi and Sudan. Muslims nowadays only speak against zionism and bristle against any criticisms on Islam, thats to bad, your religion has its faults and the Koran needs to be updated for the 21st century.
Dear valkyrie,
you can diss me but not my religion, point out faults are coming from your point of view.....you have to realized that there are muslims in this forum and i am one of them who love his religion, i take great offence of that post for attacking sacred book of islam. We have our religion and there are many other religions in this world that other people follow.....
There are some points/subjects of islam that you need to search and understand why that point is allowed/prohibited before attacking.
What does zionism have to do with this thread anyway? Zionism is a political movement, what is it to do with marriage between a non muslim and a muslim?
valkyrie
"you can diss me but not my religion"
Why not? Muslims denigrate Judaism and Christianity. If I remember correctly the koran refers to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. I won't tolerate intolerance, I'm as indignant of christian fascists who attack Homos.exuals as I am of Muslims.
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
lol ....... religions can be changed but not race....ther are some religions like Judaism and Druzze that u cant even convert unless one of ur parents is from their religion. And yes there are muslims that protest against the conditions in muslim world but u rarely see published in paper. U have to c muslim world is not central organization , it is disperesed. And e did u read the Quran to say it to b changed? Cos as far as i know it hasnt been changed and isnt allowed o b changed until the day of judgement
There are many people who convert to Judaism. Where are these Muslims that you speak of? I notice that muslims usually refer to the wahabbis in Saudi as not real muslims, and the Taliban as not real muslims, and the Clerics in London who call for the deaths of non muslims as not real muslims. So my question is, who are the real muslims? Where are these groups that speak (routinely) against the honor killings in Iran (and Pakistan) and the killing of Bahai's. Could you show post their website? I'm sorry to say this, but even if there are a couple of muslim groups in the West that seek true equality between Homos.exuals and other alienated groups its just spitting in the wind.
religions can be changed but not race
Does that mean that you can convert out of Islam without being labelled an apostate? :roll:
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez... it seem scommon sense is not comon anymore these days......do u knwo what's the meaning of apostate or renegade? if a US GI leaves his army and joins al qaeda. Will US army open it's arms and accept him? No Similar way all major religions form hinduism to judaism and islam have their apostate... they have em in place cos they had to preserve their ideology......we are human beings only differing , bickering arguing over ideals and idea wheater it be politics, religion, race and other issues. Recently there was a bomb attack in a small muslim commuity in Mumbai, India
read teh last paragraph:
But does it hurt to see no Muslim country came out to condemn the latest attacks on them?
so there u go they didnt evencondem attack against their own religion like in darfur - arabs muslims killing non-arab muslims (like christain allied killing christain axis).
val i guess u base ur entire understandign on internet alone .....reading top ten on google rankings ..no wonder u went to fuckfrance site which i wont even spit cos it's so rudimentary site with ppl with rudimentary minds! I suggest u read books from libraries written by both eastern and western authors so u can get balanced view...... or example I was so interested in history of Mongolian empire......especially when Hulagu destroyed the capitalbaghdad , there u can read amazing dialouges passed bet ween the caliph and king. Unfortunately i didnt get one book which contained complete dialogues so i had to read through 15 books and many articles to get complete picture of it. U can't dismiss all religions as crap....there was certain reason that it spread like fire...u may assume ppl those days were primitive minded but I belive there are certain things that dont change in human nature even after eons ahve passed.
As for the site which bashes muslims here is the site Muslim awake /
This is one of the many community groups which is open minded - accepts h*mos*xuals , fights for equal rights for women and other stuffs......give it a visit
valkyrie
I am aware of Irshad Manji, and have read her book and visited that site in the past. Sadly most Muslims would condemn her for what she is doing, indeed even some leftists call her an agent provocateur.
As for , I was trolling that site and eventually was banned, so I don't know where you're getting at? Are you saying that I subscribe to the racist views on that site?
"No Similar way all major religions form hinduism to judaism and islam have their apostate"
Whatever makes you feel better. I'm unaware of Jews who leave their religion are subjected to being killed, tortured or even branded an apostate. Perhaps you could enlighten me? And I have read alot of books, most of them have been literary classics (War and Peace, The Sound of Fury, Twilight of the Idols, City of God)I'm not trying to toot my own horn but I do read for pleasure.
"Recently there was a bomb attack in a small muslim commuity in Mumbai, India"
Possibly perpetrated by Muslims
Mumbai, Sept. 10 (PTI): The explosive devices that killed 31 people in Malegaon possibly contained RDX and were "identical" to the bombs used in the blasts on commuter trains here on July 11, top police sources said here today.
"Not only are the devices used in the two attacks (in Malegaon and Mumbai) quite identical, and in the Malegaon blasts, the use of RDX is becoming evident," a top police official supervising the probe into the bombings told PTI here.
The forensic tests are now prompting investigators to probe the possibility of the perpetrators of the two attacks being the same persons or belonging to the same terrorist group, the sources said.
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
"you can diss me but not my religion"
Why not? Muslims denigrate Judaism and Christianity. If I remember correctly the koran refers to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. I won't tolerate intolerance, I'm as indignant of christian fascists who attack Homos.exuals as I am of Muslims.
So you spend your time find faults on all religions? If you disagree about a certain religion keep it to yourself? if you face people who are muslims that are constantly attacking...i mean day by day.....attacking other religions.....im not one of them? That does not give you the right to attack the quran and whats written in the quran, that includes muslims.
"you have a religion, and i have mine" lets keep it that way
valkyrie
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
"you can diss me but not my religion"
Why not? Muslims denigrate Judaism and Christianity. If I remember correctly the koran refers to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. I won't tolerate intolerance, I'm as indignant of christian fascists who attack Homos.exuals as I am of Muslims.
So you spend your time find faults on all religions? If you disagree about a certain religion keep it to yourself? if you face people who are muslims that are constantly attacking...i mean day by day.....attacking other religions.....im not one of them? That does not give you the right to attack the quran and whats written in the quran, that includes muslims.
"you have a religion, and i have mine" lets keep it that way
News to me. Why can't a secular athiest criticize religion? If it offends your sensibilities then you should have criticized Islam before western athiests had to step in. My foremost concern is Christianity, and after that religion is destroyed than western athiests will turn their attention to the Muslim world. If there is anything left of Islam, western athiests will unite with our eastern athiest comrades and help dismantle the mysoginist, patriarchal religion of Islam.
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
"you can diss me but not my religion"
Why not? Muslims denigrate Judaism and Christianity. If I remember correctly the koran refers to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. I won't tolerate intolerance, I'm as indignant of christian fascists who attack Homos.exuals as I am of Muslims.
So you spend your time find faults on all religions? If you disagree about a certain religion keep it to yourself? if you face people who are muslims that are constantly attacking...i mean day by day.....attacking other religions.....im not one of them? That does not give you the right to attack the quran and whats written in the quran, that includes muslims.
"you have a religion, and i have mine" lets keep it that way
News to me. Why can't a secular athiest criticize religion? If it offends your sensibilities then you should have criticized Islam before western athiests had to step in. My foremost concern is Christianity, and after that religion is destroyed than western athiests will turn their attention to the Muslim world. If there is anything left of Islam, western athiests will unite with our eastern athiest comrades and help dismantle the mysoginist, patriarchal religion of Islam.
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
Dude, instead of filling this thread with this argument, i will PM you my number, call me and we will discuss this, or we can open a different thread for this subject
I am interested in talking to you about this subject because your points are interesting and i might learn from you ;)
Edit: I will come back to you as soon as possible for subject, gotta find out exactly why
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
"Recently there was a bomb attack in a small muslim commuity in Mumbai, India"
Possibly perpetrated by Muslims
Mumbai, Sept. 10 (PTI): The explosive devices that killed 31 people in Malegaon possibly contained RDX and were "identical" to the bombs used in the blasts on commuter trains here on July 11, top police sources said here today.
"Not only are the devices used in the two attacks (in Malegaon and Mumbai) quite identical, and in the Malegaon blasts, the use of RDX is becoming evident," a top police official supervising the probe into the bombings told PTI here.
The forensic tests are now prompting investigators to probe the possibility of the perpetrators of the two attacks being the same persons or belonging to the same terrorist group, the sources said.
yeah those muzzies thought why not reduce our own polulation and blow ourselves so they bombed the train and their mosque....lol
for ur info hindu was the paper which claimed some muslim terrorists burned the train carrying hindu pilgrims and their was a riot where many estimated 3000 muzzies died...then investigation found out accidental gas leak in kitchen!
what ever u say val it seems to me u r new to this argument .
bac to the topic , i have given my answer
bushra21
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
Bleakus
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
you took the words right out of mouth bushra, thats what i was about to say
Princess Banana Hammock
To answer your questions... My Palestinian Mother (a Muslim) and my British Fatehr (a Christian) got married 25 years ago.
My Dad converted to Islam because he loved my mum so much and realised that Islam actually made a lot of sense.
Bleakus
i know some else where that happened to the person, the father converted to islam to marry the mother
Corcovado
i would never want to change anybodies religion to marry me :shock: i believe in civil marriage and thats it , he can keep his religion and i keep mine ..No harm done and when the babies come they can choose their religion ... thats the way things should be ...
JackTheRipper
- Corcovado wrote:
i would never want to change anybodies religion to marry me :shock: i believe in civil marriage and thats it , he can keep his religion and i keep mine ..No harm done and when the babies come they can choose their religion ... thats the way things should be ...
I agree at 100%
bushra21
just because things should be a certain way, doesnt mean they are.
i know im going to get much flack for saying this...but i agree with my religion when it says that i cannot marry someone out of my religion. it makes sense to me, and i dont see anything wrong with it.
St.Lucifer
People people people.. just go through the posts again.. and u can see how much religions have already costed us..
Any one.. just tell me.. is this the reason y religions where created..
Religions, let it be Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Budhism... they all were created to unite people..and look what has it done to us now.. just look at all of us.. think how much detest, how much trouble it has brought us(only if u think as i think, beyond the limits, limits and frames n rules set on to everyone of us from the day were born, through out these days of living) ..
If u look at any religion, apart from Ancient religions.. all of the new religions were brought to unite people.. under one roof, one faith .. and they served their purpose very well at that time.. all the religions did their job to the perfection in their geographical locations..
untill the world shrunk and people of different religions are mixed again..
now its getting back to the same old days of people fighting over religions.. imbalance in money, power etc... just think men.. dont u get the picture..y religions were formed.. this is the same reason y religions were formed.. have faith in God.. no one stops u... but its time for a new religion.. a new prophesy.. a new world religion.. a religion driven by peace ,compassion and respect.
?Men are u not ashamed to say hindu's were killed muslims were killed.. i'd say Human beings were killed and are getting killed everyday..we belong the same species.. . for god's sake stop this yelling on the name or religion.. i'm sorry that i posted this question.didnt think it would end up like this..
I'm always a believer and supporter of one religion i'd call that human..
never ever differentiate people..
wacar
As Muslims we have submitted ourselves to Allah, thus when Allah Ta'ala forbade marriages with disbelievers ,we have to obey, regardlesss of whether we understand it or not.
Belief in Allah is the very essence and pivot of the life of a Muslim,
In addition to this, bringing up the children according to Islam would be difficult if not impossible, as they would be confused when it comes to religion as there will be a huge difference between the religions of their parents.
Princess Banana Hammock
I don't think religion is the sole cause of trouble and hate... I think if your a decent person you accept and respect another human beings choice. I have nothing against a regular Jewish person I meet...
In this day and age, I think greed is the main cause of hate and conflict.
JackTheRipper
Outside of marriage stuff, do arab girls get out with non-arab guys ?
bushra21
i have friends that are not arabs... but for dating and what not, i tend to stick to my arab boys, its easier that way.
valkyrie
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
So why can a Muslim man marry a Jew, or Christian woman, but a Muslim woman can't marry a non Muslim man?
"if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her."
Religion is horrible
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
So why can a Muslim man marry a Jew, or Christian woman, but a Muslim woman can't marry a non Muslim man?
"if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her."
Religion is horrible
delicious isnt it? :)
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
So why can a Muslim man marry a Jew, or Christian woman, but a Muslim woman can't marry a non Muslim man?
"if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her."
Religion is horrible
well I guess answer was provided .... u call urself secular yet u jump and threathen other religions.....as long as they dotn afect u why give a damn? if a musl woman loves a man they will solve the problem among themselves.recently one of my jewsih freidn fell in lov with an arab lady but when he took her to his house, his mom vehemently opposed it and called her Gentile on her face. and they broke up after a month ...if their love would hve been strong they would have cut relations with their parents and done a civil marriage. It all depends on couple's choice
xlchick
Well the argument is not really about religion but about power. Most religions are inert and benign. It's the control of the believers that causes most problems and issues.
Whilst these powers are self-elected and excersise control, in the name of God, without answering to the electorate whom they control then the prospect for peace are not good. Democracy is a threat to this control & power.
Most peaceful and prosperous nations separate mosque/church and state. Some had past civil wars to achieve this.
Democracy is a very poor form of government..but it's the best one we've got.
bushra21
- valkyrie wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
a muslim man cannot just marry any non musilm woman. the woman has to be devout follower of the people of the book (christianity or judaisim -- which is how they are referred to in the quran)if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her.
i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother.
and that is what i know, hope it helps.
So why can a Muslim man marry a Jew, or Christian woman, but a Muslim woman can't marry a non Muslim man?
"if the woman belongs to any other religion (hinduism, agnostic, buddhism and so on) he is not allowed to marry her."
Religion is horrible
did you even read what i ? the second paragraph explains why. if you had read it, you wouldnt ask that question.
and no, religion isnt horrible; its the people that are.
valkyrie
I must be blind, because you did not go further on to assert why a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man. :wink:
"i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother."
bushra21
- valkyrie wrote:
I must be blind, because you did not go further on to assert why a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man. :wink:
"i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother ."
how old are you....or do you have no common sense. if i said that the reason why it is ok for a muslim man to marry a woman who is from the people of the book
because the children are more likely to follow the father's religion -- wouldnt it make sense that a muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man because the children would be morelikely to follow the husbands religion, and not hers?
:roll:
kanelli
We all know that Muslim women have to follow very different rules than Muslim men. Some say it is still equality, while others would disagree...
sniper420
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
I must be blind, because you did not go further on to assert why a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man. :wink:
"i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother ."
how old are you....or do you have no common sense. if i said that the reason why it is ok for a muslim man to marry a woman who is from the people of the book because the children are more likely to follow the father's religion -- wouldnt it make sense that a muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man because the children would be morelikely to follow the husbands religion, and not hers?
:roll:
as I said common sense is not common these days........similar anology if it ringa bell val.....why is it women loose their maiden name after marriage? is she product or slave of man......cos old days slaves were named after their masters..same is the case here.....it has alwys been tradition that children always follow the father's religion...so women are prevented...... now please dont ask why did children follow dad's religion... :roll:
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
"you can diss me but not my religion"
Why not? Muslims denigrate Judaism and Christianity. If I remember correctly the koran refers to Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. I won't tolerate intolerance, I'm as indignant of christian fascists who attack Homos.exuals as I am of Muslims.
So you spend your time find faults on all religions? If you disagree about a certain religion keep it to yourself? if you face people who are muslims that are constantly attacking...i mean day by day.....attacking other religions.....im not one of them? That does not give you the right to attack the quran and whats written in the quran, that includes muslims.
"you have a religion, and i have mine" lets keep it that way
News to me. Why can't a secular athiest criticize religion? If it offends your sensibilities then you should have criticized Islam before western athiests had to step in. My foremost concern is Christianity, and after that religion is destroyed than western athiests will turn their attention to the Muslim world. If there is anything left of Islam, western athiests will unite with our eastern athiest comrades and help dismantle the mysoginist, patriarchal religion of Islam.
edit: Going back to the original topic, why can't a muslim woman marry a non muslim, but a muslim man can marry a non muslim woman?
secular atheist.......criticize ....isnt it oxymoron word?
kanelli
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
sniper420
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
may be different ppl are using the same nick like bugmenot dot com
Bleakus
- kanelli wrote:
We all know that Muslim women have to follow very different rules than Muslim men. Some say it is still equality, while others would disagree...
acually in most situations the woman has more rights than man. i know not everyone would agree with me, but its true ;)
Bleakus
- sniper420 wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
I must be blind, because you did not go further on to assert why a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man. :wink:
"i was told that the reason allah has made it acceptable for men to marry a non muslim woman (from the people of the book) is because originally, those two religions are similar to Islam, and if she is devout, she is following the basics of Islam as well. Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother ."
how old are you....or do you have no common sense. if i said that the reason why it is ok for a muslim man to marry a woman who is from the people of the book because the children are more likely to follow the father's religion -- wouldnt it make sense that a muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man because the children would be morelikely to follow the husbands religion, and not hers?
:roll:
as I said common sense is not common these days........similar anology if it ringa bell val.....why is it women loose their maiden name after marriage? is she product or slave of man......cos old days slaves were named after their masters..same is the case here.....it has alwys been tradition that children always follow the father's religion...so women are prevented...... now please dont ask why did children follow dad's religion... :roll:
in islam the woman keeps her name and family name
Is that what you were saying?
valkyrie
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
O O can i do it? ;);)
FeiPo
- alina_4u wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
That's kind of dumb that a non muslim man can't marry a muslim woman.
Isn't that a kind of discrimination, like an african man can't marry a white woman even if they love each other?
no its not discrimination... its a religion and thats how it works....
And if he loves her, it shouldn't be a problem for him to convert
you love someone for the person, doesn't matter what colour or religion. You love someone because you love the way she/he is, why do you want to change him/her? if she/he changed then is not the someone you love anymore.
sara_uk
- FeiPo wrote:
- alina_4u wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
That's kind of dumb that a non muslim man can't marry a muslim woman.
Isn't that a kind of discrimination, like an african man can't marry a white woman even if they love each other?
no its not discrimination... its a religion and thats how it works....
And if he loves her, it shouldn't be a problem for him to convert
you love someone for the person, doesn't matter what colour or religion. You love someone because you love the way she/he is, why do you want to change him/her? if she/he changed then is not the someone you love anymore.
I disagree here, you love them and all but what about the future?? The kids? Which religion are you going to teach them?? It is nice and rosy saying if you love someone it does not matter. Colour or race, nationality etc does not matter in my opinion but religion does matter big time. All your life you believed something and you want to teach your child what you believe but if the dad does not believe the same, the children will be in a mess.
sniper420
- sara_uk wrote:
- FeiPo wrote:
- alina_4u wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
That's kind of dumb that a non muslim man can't marry a muslim woman.
Isn't that a kind of discrimination, like an african man can't marry a white woman even if they love each other?
no its not discrimination... its a religion and thats how it works....
And if he loves her, it shouldn't be a problem for him to convert
you love someone for the person, doesn't matter what colour or religion. You love someone because you love the way she/he is, why do you want to change him/her? if she/he changed then is not the someone you love anymore.
I disagree here, you love them and all but what about the future?? The kids? Which religion are you going to teach them?? It is nice and rosy saying if you love someone it does not matter. Colour or race, nationality etc does not matter in my opinion but religion does matter big time. All your life you believed something and you want to teach your child what you believe but if the dad does not believe the same, the children will be in a mess.
so true sara.....somethines i see this as main reason for breaking up
kanelli
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
My point proven :lol:
valkyrie
- bushra21 wrote:
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
O O can i do it? ;);)
can i help?
Oh! and can we make a stop at someone elses place to...i believe he said he was living in qatar or kuwait and his dad was a sheikh...shouldnt be too hard....
xoxoxoxox Bushra21
Can you look to see if I left my watch on your dresser?
xoxoxoxoxoxo
Valkyrie
sniper420
- valkyrie wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
O O can i do it? ;);)
can i help?
Oh! and can we make a stop at someone elses place to...i believe he said he was living in qatar or kuwait and his dad was a sheikh...shouldnt be too hard....
xoxoxoxox Bushra21
Can you look to see if I left my watch on your dresser?
xoxoxoxoxoxo
Valkyrie
yeah he had to come all the way from illinois to do that :roll:
bushra21
- sniper420 wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
- Bleakus wrote:
- valkyrie wrote:
- kanelli wrote:
valkyrie, you are a real piece of work. You are an extremist of sorts - just can't figure out what kind to classify you as :shock:
Are you going to bomb my neighborhood because you disagree with me
O O can i do it? ;);)
can i help?
Oh! and can we make a stop at someone elses place to...i believe he said he was living in qatar or kuwait and his dad was a sheikh...shouldnt be too hard....
xoxoxoxox Bushra21
Can you look to see if I left my watch on your dresser?
xoxoxoxoxoxo
Valkyrie
yeah he had to come all the way from illinois to do that :roll:
that just proves how good and worth it i am sniper :wink:
lol
valkyrie
internet=serious business
valkyrie
"Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother."
So is Islam a better religion than the others?
I don't believe that to be the case. Children will follow the religion of their mother just as much as their father. Indeed, children do have a choice of their own. Despite the indoctrination by my parents I was able to steer clear of their chri$tianity.
Bleakus
- valkyrie wrote:
"Also, because the children are more likely to follow the religion of the father rather than the mother."
So is Islam a better religion than the others?
I don't believe that to be the case. Children will follow the religion of their mother just as much as their father. Indeed, children do have a choice of their own. Despite the indoctrination by my parents I was able to steer clear of their chri$tianity.
isnt that in judism?
Bleakus
guys just drop it, it like a freakin de-ja-vu :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
bushra21
like i said...some people are dense
sara_uk
- bushra21 wrote:
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE FATHERS RELIGION.....
god you people are dense
:roll:
ha ha bushra 3asel
Bleakus
- bushra21 wrote:
are you an atheist? if so,
i hope that when you die (and you will die), and when you come back as a tree on this earth, and mid breeze, some fat hairy lumberjack comes and chops you down, ties you up, drags you through the mud, throws you into his truck, shoves you through the wood chipper, pounds you into paper, and prints the quran, bible, torah...whatever religious book there is ....on your pages...... (taken from Dane Cook...oh how i wish i could take credit for that one, but alas, i cannot)
that is of course if you are an atheist.
that quite an imagination :)
bushra21
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE
MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE FATHERS RELIGION.....
god you people are dense
:roll:
Bleakus
- sara_uk wrote:
- bushra21 wrote:
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE FATHERS RELIGION.....
god you people are dense
:roll:
ha ha bushra 3asel
go bushra go bushra ;)
valkyrie
- bushra21 wrote:
it isn't my religion; i dont own it.
also, why should I? so you can argue somemore on how im wrong and you 'just dont see it'?
if you cant respect others, dont expect to be respected. respect is something earned, something, which for me, you havent.
I haven't disrespected you or your religion, you *have* shown a preference for Islam over other religions.
"also, why should I?"
You made the accusation
"if you cant respect others"
I didn't disrespect you, you came on to this conversation frothing at the mouth.
bushra21
it isn't my religion; i dont own it.
also, why should I? so you can argue somemore on how im wrong and you 'just dont see it'?
if you cant respect others, dont expect to be respected. respect is something earned, something, which for me, you havent.
bushra21
dont you do the same.....
perhaps not as blunty as i just did, but i believe you do....
oh, and
cry me a river
valkyrie
- bushra21 wrote:
whats wrong with islam?
You denigrated athiesm
bushra21
whats wrong with islam?
valkyrie
Religion in general, or just Islam?
If you believe that I denigrate your religion then show me where
Adam
i agree with val, only on his last point,
my father has no religion, my mother is catholic,
i was baptised as a catholic and followed my mothers religion.
i still dont see why non-muslum men cannot marry muslim women,
if a man is a strong follower of christianity, then his basic beleifs are the same as a muslum women.. correct?
it is then the parents choice what religion the children will be as we children are born they cannot make that sort of decision.. correct?
so if a non-muslum man married a muslum woman, and agreed to bring the child up as Islam, then wouldnt it be alright?
valkyrie
whats wrong with athiesm?
bushra21
are you an atheist? if so,
i hope that when you die (and you will die), and when you come back as a tree on this earth, and mid breeze, some fat hairy lumberjack comes and chops you down, ties you up, drags you through the mud, throws you into his truck, shoves you through the wood chipper, pounds you into paper, and prints the quran, bible, torah...whatever religious book there is ....on your pages...... (taken from Dane Cook...oh how i wish i could take credit for that one, but alas, i cannot)
that is of course if you are an atheist.
valkyrie
- bushra21 wrote:
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE FATHERS RELIGION.....
god you people are dense
:roll:
Based on what? I still don't understand your double standards.
r3ay-alborsh
STOP DREAMING AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HER :D
rvp_legend
- bushra21 wrote:
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN ARE MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW THE FATHERS RELIGION.....
god you people are dense
:roll:
i agree with Bushra.
both Islam AND Christianity encourage the women to marry men from the same faith. Men are able to marry women of the other.
Far as i understand, it is due to the passing down of religion to the children from the father.
In Judaism, the religion is passed down via the mother, not father. So if the father is Jewish and mother not, Child will not be Jewish by birth.
aslo as i understand a Jewish woman would still have to convert to Islam or Christianity to be sure the Child was a Muslim or Christian respectively should they marry. Same applies to the non monotheistic religions.
Of course, if you dont care, you will marry regardless.
If you are an atheist you may find it difficult to understand, also for many Europeans/USA/Canadians religion is more of a choice than a way of life so typically they find it bizarre.
I just feel it is wrong to quizz the Muslims alone regarding this sensitive topic.
sara_uk
Or if you do not care, never get married my boss is an atheist and he does not believe in marriage, and his been with his girlfriend for 15yrs. He is not planning to get married because he thinks it is just a paper.
Jamal
yea ive made up my mind too
why get married an make the life of one woman misrable...
when i can stay single an give hundreds of women joy...
sara_uk
- Jamal wrote:
yea ive made up my mind too
why get married an make the life of one woman misrable...
when i can stay single an give hundreds of women joy...
Go smoke now your fast is been broken by this post tesk tesk
Jamal
nahh jst ten more minutes to go .... im gonna maintain .
purplegrape
"If you fell in love with a non muslim, why can't you just convert out of your religion..."
simply as this...go for it as long as you are happy with it.. :lol:
nismo
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
bushra21
- nismo wrote:
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
thank god for that, now i can sleep better at night knowing losers like you will leave us arab maslim girls...as you say, alone
p.s. its muslim you idiot
p.p.s an arab and a muslim are two different things
nismo
- bushra21 wrote:
- nismo wrote:
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
thank god for that, now i can sleep better at night knowing losers like you will leave us arab maslim girls...as you say, alone
p.s. its muslim you idiot
p.p.s an arab and a muslim are two different things
hahahahahahahaahah
trust me i wouldnt touch you with a ten foot pole
so you can contine resting that fat butt of yours all night
:twisted:
bushra21
GREAT!
*stops, looks at butt, checks if indeed it is fat...*
hmmm, nope, my butt is fine, but thanks for noticing
nismo
- bushra21 wrote:
GREAT!
*stops, looks at butt, checks if indeed it is fat...*
hmmm, nope, my butt is fine, but thanks for noticing
post pic !!!
prove it fatty
bushra21
lol...why should i?
im an ugly arab musim girl that you wouldnt come near with a ten foot pole.....remember
d3vilish_ang3l_88
- nismo wrote:
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
well i think those gurls hated their life more by even being in the same country let alone the same room ..
ur such an idiot..my dream will come true..if i see u burn in hell n laff at u in the process
nismo
whatever fatso :-)
nismo
- d3vilish_ang3l_88 wrote:
- nismo wrote:
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
well i think those gurls hated their life more by even being in the same country let alone the same room ..
ur such an idiot..my dream will come true..if i see u burn in hell n laff at u in the process
hahahahhahhaha
typical maslim girl
hope your parents arrange you to get married to a ape !
sniper420
- nismo wrote:
- d3vilish_ang3l_88 wrote:
- nismo wrote:
i used to date an arab maslim girls
i hated my life when i dated them
they are hopeless in bed too
personally i wouldnt go near them
well i think those gurls hated their life more by even being in the same country let alone the same room ..
ur such an idiot..my dream will come true..if i see u burn in hell n laff at u in the process
hahahahhahhaha
typical maslim girl
hope your parents arrange you to get married to a ape !
well atleast her paretns care for her ur parents abandoned u cos u looked worse thanan ape.........
another derogatory comment u willbe banned form my sections
nismo
they started witht he name calling
and you a moderator callling me names ...
not a good impression man
and oh yea
this is for that comment you made about me
" UP YOURS, CAMEL F*CKER "
sniper420
- nismo wrote:
they started witht he name calling
and you a moderator callling me names ...
not a good impression man
i am first a human then mod....... reaading ur 10 posts i can generalize what mentality u have. Read ur posts again and tell me u didnt offend them.
r3ay-alborsh
arabic girles are the best girles number one because they are clean not like oter girles not clean and non arab marry arbic girl is the worst thingin world