shafique
From the BBC today - more British numpties with fantasies of blowing up civilians.
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Bomb plot case 'a waste of money'
Authorities have been criticised for pursuing a case against two teenagers who were cleared of planning a bombing at their school in Greater Manchester.
A jury took 45 minutes to acquit Ross McKnight, 16, and Matthew Swift, 18, of planning to murder teachers and pupils at Audenshaw High School.
The pair had always maintained the plot, said to be inspired by the US Columbine massacre, was a "fantasy".
Both teenagers, from Denton, Greater Manchester, had denied conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions.
Journal entries
They were alleged to have been obsessed with the Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who murdered 12 students and a teacher before turning their guns on themselves in Colorado on 20 April 1999.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) based much of the Manchester Crown Court case against the teenagers on journals and diaries they kept.
These contained details of a plan termed "Project Rainbow", along with maps and plans of the school.
Both Harris and Klebold had kept similar documents before their attack.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) flew two detectives to Colorado ahead of the trial to talk to Columbine lead investigator Kate Battan, who was listed as a witness in the Manchester case but never called.
As the jury's verdict demonstrates, this was a waste of public money, hundreds of thousands of pounds
No explosives or firearms were discovered following the arrest of the teenagers in March, which came after Ross McKnight made a drunken phone call to a female friend boasting about carrying out Project Rainbow.
But defence counsel said the journals were the scribblings of teenagers with "over-active imaginations" and the defendants themselves dismissed their writings as "fantasy".
Speaking after his son's acquittal, Ray McKnight - a serving GMP officer - said he never doubted his son was innocent.
He said: "It's been purgatory, absolute agony. Neither have been in trouble with the police before and have been in jail for the last six months."
Decision 'respected'
After the verdicts, Mr Carus was scathing about the prosecution case and said the teenagers should have just been given "a slap on the wrists".
"I think this was an unnecessary, heavy-handed prosecution against two young lads who could have been dealt with in a more sensitive way.
"As the jury's verdict demonstrates, this was a waste of public money, hundreds of thousands of pounds.
"Bearing in mind their ages it's farcical to think that this was ever a serious design."
Head teacher Stephen Turner: "They were perfectly normal, ordinary boys at school"
But John Lord, reviewing lawyer at the Crown Prosecution Service, defended the decision to prosecute the teenagers.
"The case brought against Matthew Swift and Ross McKnight was, we believe, one that was as equally strong as serious," he said.
The BBC's Home Affairs Correspondent Danny Shaw said it was the Attorney General, Lady Scotland QC, who gave final approval for the case to proceed.
Asst Ch Con Terry Sweeney, of Greater Manchester Police (GMP), said senior officers and the CPS felt it was in the public interest to take the case to court.
"In this case the jury took the decision not to convict and we respect their decision," she said.
The head teacher of Audenshaw school, Stephen Turner, said he could not speculate on the decision taken by the CPS.
"Clearly the police investigated thoroughly and presented information to the CPS and that decision was taken by them and we respect that decision," said Mr Turner.
"Our experience of both of them was that they were perfectly normal, ordinary boys, clearly both of them achieved well at their exams."
Credit is due to the authorities for pursuing these numpties (and as far as I could tell, their fantasies had nothing to do with the Quran ;) - I can only imagine what 'eh' would say if was 'Abdul' and 'Ahmed' from Bradford in the dock).
Cheers,
Shafique
shafique
Weird - the post above seems to be invisible??
Anyway - another case of Brit numpties with fantasies of blowing people up. This time they have been aquitted - because these guys were just some young men who had fantasies about blowing up their classmates and teachers.
I can only imagine the headlines if they were 'Ahmed' and 'Jamal' from Bradford ;)
Quote:
Bomb plot case 'a waste of money'
Authorities have been criticised for pursuing a case against two teenagers who were cleared of planning a bombing at their school in Greater Manchester.
A jury took 45 minutes to acquit Ross McKnight, 16, and Matthew Swift, 18, of planning to murder teachers and pupils at Audenshaw High School.
The pair had always maintained the plot, said to be inspired by the US Columbine massacre, was a "fantasy".
Roderick Carus QC, for Ross McKnight, said the case was a waste of money.
Both teenagers, from Denton, Greater Manchester, had denied conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions.
Journal entries
They were alleged to have been obsessed with the Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who murdered 12 students and a teacher before turning their guns on themselves in Colorado on 20 April 1999.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) based much of the Manchester Crown Court case against the teenagers on journals and diaries they kept.
These contained details of a plan termed "Project Rainbow", along with maps and plans of the school.
Both Harris and Klebold had kept similar documents before their attack.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) flew two detectives to Colorado ahead of the trial to talk to Columbine lead investigator Kate Battan, who was listed as a witness in the Manchester case but never called.
As the jury's verdict demonstrates, this was a waste of public money, hundreds of thousands of pounds
Roderick Carus QC
No explosives or firearms were discovered following the arrest of the teenagers in March, which came after Ross McKnight made a drunken phone call to a female friend boasting about carrying out Project Rainbow.
But defence counsel said the journals were the scribblings of teenagers with "over-active imaginations" and the defendants themselves dismissed their writings as "fantasy".
Speaking after his son's acquittal, Ray McKnight - a serving GMP officer - said he never doubted his son was innocent.
He said: "It's been purgatory, absolute agony. Neither have been in trouble with the police before and have been in jail for the last six months."
Decision 'respected'
After the verdicts, Mr Carus was scathing about the prosecution case and said the teenagers should have just been given "a slap on the wrists".
"I think this was an unnecessary, heavy-handed prosecution against two young lads who could have been dealt with in a more sensitive way.
"As the jury's verdict demonstrates, this was a waste of public money, hundreds of thousands of pounds.
"Bearing in mind their ages it's farcical to think that this was ever a serious design."
Head teacher Stephen Turner: "They were perfectly normal, ordinary boys at school"
But John Lord, reviewing lawyer at the Crown Prosecution Service, defended the decision to prosecute the teenagers.
"The case brought against Matthew Swift and Ross McKnight was, we believe, one that was as equally strong as serious," he said.
The BBC's Home Affairs Correspondent Danny Shaw said it was the Attorney General, Lady Scotland QC, who gave final approval for the case to proceed.
Asst Ch Con Terry Sweeney, of Greater Manchester Police (GMP), said senior officers and the CPS felt it was in the public interest to take the case to court.
"In this case the jury took the decision not to convict and we respect their decision," she said.
The head teacher of Audenshaw school, Stephen Turner, said he could not speculate on the decision taken by the CPS.
"Clearly the police investigated thoroughly and presented information to the CPS and that decision was taken by them and we respect that decision," said Mr Turner.
"Our experience of both of them was that they were perfectly normal, ordinary boys, clearly both of them achieved well at their exams."
event horizon
tl:dr
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- I can only imagine the headlines if they were 'Ahmed' and 'Jamal' from Bradford
Ah, false analogies can be entertaining. The headlines would not be over Ahmed and Jamal who happened to go postal, but rather if their motivation to carry out a bomb plot was based on the texts and teachings of Islam to wage defensive jihad (mandatory) against unbelievers ('strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers because they are unbelievers').
Of course, these subtle, yet significant, differences go over the heads of certain people who wish to obscure these facts.
shafique
- event horizon wrote:
tl:dr
Quote:
- I can only imagine the headlines if they were 'Ahmed' and 'Jamal' from Bradford
Ah, false analogies can be entertaining. The headlines would not be over Ahmed and Jamal who happened to go postal, but rather if their motivation to carry out a bomb plot was based on the texts and teachings of Islam to wage defensive jihad (mandatory) against unbelievers ('strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers because they are unbelievers').
Of course, these subtle, yet significant, differences go over the heads of certain people who wish to obscure these facts.
Teenage British numpties have fantasies of blowing up people - subtle as being hit over the head with a hammer!
Do you enjoy swimming in Egypt - you seem to relish being in De-Nile all the time!
Enjoy Eid and don't let the legion of Ay-rab terrorists worry you! ;)
Cheers,
Shafique