worldguy
I see lot of Arab guys with non arab women, but not the other way around. Why is that?
Cultural difference, religion .....
zukku
Nope. It is just because they are comfortable only via :b:webcams:/b: :thefinger:
worldguy
it did not even make sense ..... r u already downing th shots mate!
Bora Bora
Men are able to marry women who are not Muslim. The wife is not obligated to convert to Islam. On the other hand, women must marry a Muslim. Many expats are not willing to convert to Islam.
worldguy
That is quite unfair on the women. No doubt they do not mix a lot with expat men as I have heard. I am not talking about the office banter, but post work its a different ball game.
Bora Bora
- worldguy wrote:
That is quite unfair on the women. No doubt they do not mix a lot with expat men as I have heard. I am not talking about the office banter, but post work its a different ball game.
Its just one more example about double standards which exist worldwide. In some countries more so than others.
SarahC
As an arab, i would much prefer to date someone who isnt an arab. Maybe ive just had bad experiences, but they are way too controlling and expect women to be a certain way, while they do as they please. Again, thats just my experience. Im sure there are lots of arabs out there who arent like that.
However, i dont know how many nonarab guys would want to date or marry an arab woman. If they didnt, id assume it would be because of cultural differences or religion.
PointGiven
- SarahC wrote:
As an arab, i would much prefer to date someone who isnt an arab. Maybe ive just had bad experiences, but they are way too controlling and expect women to be a certain way, while they do as they please. Again, thats just my experience. Im sure there are lots of arabs out there who arent like that.
However, i dont know how many nonarab guys would want to date or marry an arab woman. If they didnt, id assume it would be because of cultural differences or religion.
And what is holding you from not dating an Non-Arab guy. I don't have any problem with that.
SarahC
Well, most of the people i hang out with are arabs. But if i did meet someone who wasnt, i would have no problem going out with him if i thought we got along.
PointGiven
- SarahC wrote:
Well, most of the people i hang out with are arabs. But if i did meet someone who wasnt, i would have no problem going out with him if i thought we got along.
Good for you, when it happens let me know what your parents think of that :-)
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SarahC
Actually my parents are pretty open minded. They may have a problem with it at first, but i know theyll get over it.
PointGiven
On ne vend pas la peau de l'Ours avant de l'avoir tue;-)
SarahC
in english please :)
PointGiven
- SarahC wrote:
in english please :)
You don't sell the Bear's fur before you kill him :) Somewhat like that.
xty
- SarahC wrote:
However, i dont know how many nonarab guys would want to date or marry an arab woman. If they didnt, id assume it would be because of cultural differences or religion.
I thought Arab women are more likely exclusive, only interested/date Arab men. I don't know anything about Arab women (esp non-muslim), perhaps someone can tell me "their typicals"? It would be very interesting. More because I think Arab women is one of the best "breeds". Some are physically beautiful.
SarahC
xty, ive had this conversation with arab women before. I think most are more open to dating arab men because if things got serious, it would be easier for their parents to accept him, than if they brought home someone who was not arab. However, there are some arab women who have no problems dating a nonarab, and also some parents who are more open minded about it. I know quite a few arab women who married nonarabs.
Another thing is for some of these arab women, their way of life is just more similar to arab men, and so they prefer to date an arab.
portland
well the facts that arab women only mingle with arab men makes the difference in dating them. esp. muslims they are only allowed to maary muslim men and not not arab. otherwise if she marries a non muslim person better get out of the country and live somewhere far from her family. ;)
Bora Bora
- portland wrote:
well the facts that arab women only mingle with arab men makes the difference in dating them. esp. muslims they are only allowed to maary muslim men and not not arab. otherwise if she marries a non muslim person better get out of the country and live somewhere far from her family. ;)
The women can marry non-Muslim men under the condition that the man is either Muslim or is willing to convert prior to marriage. I know of two situations as such. But in all likelihood the family would object to a potential husband not being Arab.
worldguy
But, this is un fair as I know of fair few Arab men who have married non muslim european girls and those girls have not converted. In fact they even celebrate Christmas, etc and even go for the mass.
Thus, why are the women singled out?
Bora Bora
- worldguy wrote:
But, this is un fair as I know of fair few Arab men who have married non muslim european girls and those girls have not converted. In fact they even celebrate Christmas, etc and even go for the mass.
Thus, why are the women singled out?
All that is true. But, I didn't write the rules. And you know what I would have to say about that!!!
worldguy
Rules are meant to be broken and if they favour one against the other then rules are meant to be changed as well.
portland
rules are for those with such power and positons.
but for ordinary folks such as me, well you can bang your heand on a brick but you can never get away with it... thats irony of life
rudeboy
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Bora Bora
- rudeboy wrote:
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
rudeboy
- Bora Bora wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
what saudis and uae ppl get up to is up to them. not all muslims are the same. if someone is committing a sin he or she will be punished by god.
so never think what other muslims are doing, always think how clean your heart is and how truely a muslim u r.
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kanelli
People of all faiths usually have problems with how others of their faith are practicing. It is nothing new or exclusive to one faith or another.
xty
while i'm not asking about muslim arab women. i understand the facts due to religion or family culture for not dating/marrying non-arab men. but what about non-muslim arab women? i'd like to hear their opinions on dating/marrying non-arab men.
Bora Bora
- rudeboy wrote:
- Bora Bora wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
what saudis and uae ppl get up to is up to them. not all muslims are the same. if someone is committing a sin he or she will be punished by god.
so never think what other muslims are doing, always think how clean your heart is and how truely a muslim u r.
You have an amazing ability to overlook facts that prove you wrong. And as for answering to God, I highly doubt that when it comes your time God will be holding a blank page with your name on it.
kanelli
:lol:
dresden
- Bora Bora wrote:
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
Excellent post.
Interesting perspective, especially from someone who has been on both sides of the religious-table.
I'm not exactly a 'non-practicing' catholic as I do quietly say my nightly prayers, but I don't visit the Church nearly as often as I should.
I have some serious questions regarding the religion that cannot be answered by anyone but my maker. Hence I simply focus my prayers toward "God".
Having said that, I have a huge amount of respect for the Muslim religion and certain people's dedication toward it. During Ramadan, I observed many more people fast and follow the rules than I observed during Lent.
Either way, I'm off on a tangent. Getting back on track...
I'm intrigued by the Muslim religion but not by the hypocricsy. I would consider aaccepting my future wife's religion, but I would accept the same from her ...
rudeboy
- Bora Bora wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
- Bora Bora wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
what saudis and uae ppl get up to is up to them. not all muslims are the same. if someone is committing a sin he or she will be punished by god.
so never think what other muslims are doing, always think how clean your heart is and how truely a muslim u r.
You have an amazing ability to overlook facts that prove you wrong. And as for answering to God, I highly doubt that when it comes your time God will be holding a blank page with your name on it.
bora all i am saying is if some muslim is committing a sin let him do so cos he is questionable to god not to me or you. and if one muslim doesnt fast doesnt mean all the muslims are the same. thats all i am saying.
we all have sinned in our life and I am sure when the time comes god will not have a blank page with my name on it. but am sure he will look at the good deeds i did as well as my bad deeds ;).
rudeboy
- dresden wrote:
- Bora Bora wrote:
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
Excellent post.
Interesting perspective, especially from someone who has been on both sides of the religious-table.
I'm not exactly a 'non-practicing' catholic as I do quietly say my nightly prayers, but I don't visit the Church nearly as often as I should.
I have some serious questions regarding the religion that cannot be answered by anyone but my maker. Hence I simply focus my prayers toward "God".
Having said that, I have a huge amount of respect for the Muslim religion and certain people's dedication toward it. During Ramadan, I observed many more people fast and follow the rules than I observed during Lent.
Either way, I'm off on a tangent. Getting back on track...
I'm intrigued by the Muslim religion but not by the hypocricsy. I would consider aaccepting my future wife's religion, but I would accept the same from her ...
ok you are a catholic and lets say for example you marry a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?
you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.
another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?
dresden
- rudeboy wrote:
ok you are a catholic and lets say for example a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?
you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.
another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?
Please think before you write...
1. Obviously if I were to marry a woman who was NOT part of my religion, these things would be discussed BEFORE we got married. For the record, I would allow my children to CHOOSE, and support their choices regardless. But thats just me.
2. When my wife is fasting, out of respect, I would fast as well at home or eat outside the house.
3. If I were hungry for a home cooked meal after 7 days while she is fasting, I would suck it up and continue to eat take out, because its a sacrifice I chose to make when I married her.
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Not everyone is like me, but no two people are alike.
rudeboy
- dresden wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
ok you are a catholic and lets say for example a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?
you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.
another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?
Please think before you write...
1. Obviously if I were to marry a woman who was NOT part of my religion, these things would be discussed BEFORE we got married. For the record, I would allow my children to CHOOSE, and support their choices regardless. But thats just me.
2. When my wife is fasting, out of respect, I would fast as well at home or eat outside the house.
3. If I were hungry for a home cooked meal after 7 days while she is fasting, I would suck it up and continue to eat take out, because its a sacrifice I chose to make when I married her.
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Not everyone is like me, but no two people are alike.
cool. let me know if you are successful :)
dresden
^ I wouldn't hold my breath.
My previous post applies to non-muslims as well.
worldguy
dresden very well written. I agree to the same. If two individuals love each other, then these things are a small price to pay. Its easy to respect each other's space and then grow from there.
People get too stuck up on religion, nationality, financial balance without realising that these things only provide temporary satisfaction. At the end its true love that provides the maximum happiness. Rest all chase the wrong things and realise when it is too late to fix the wrong step taken by them.
rudeboy
- worldguy wrote:
dresden very well written. I agree to the same. If two individuals love each other, then these things are a small price to pay. Its easy to respect each other's space and then grow from there.
People get too stuck up on religion, nationality, financial balance without realising that these things only provide temporary satisfaction. At the end its true love that provides the maximum happiness. Rest all chase the wrong things and realise when it is too late to fix the wrong step taken by them.
its very easy to say this that we will respect each others religion but doing it will be really hard. imagine a kid going in school standing up in front of all the other kids and going oh my dads a catholic and my mums a muslim. one day i am a muslim the other day i become a catholic :D sorry but having 2 different religions in a house is going to be really hard.
you mentioned about luv. luv is a fraglie thing which can be broken up easily. there are so many other things you have to take into considerations. culture, family and grand parents. do you think grand parents will easily allow their grand children to follow a religion they dont want them to? and if you disobey them am sure they will dis-own you. other arguments will occurr etc etc and where will be the luv u mention?
worldguy
The kid can be both. Why does he have to chose. They can learn from both the religions. Most of the people who are stuck in their careers can hardly devote time and are anyway not religious. Their parents have accepted that and thus they will just be a multi cultural family.
In addition, if you love and decide to get married, you will not allow your grand parents to destroy your relationship. If they can not accept you, then its better they disown then spoil something that is beautiful. If they can not understand what makes their grand kid happy, then its not worth it having such grand parents. In addition, your other half is the only person during our life time that we spend the maximum time with. I will chose them over anybody, till they are respectful of my family and I am respectful of their's. Rest all hardly matters.
portland
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Misery Called Life
- worldguy wrote:
The kid can be both. Why does he have to chose. They can learn from both the religions. Most of the people who are stuck in their careers can hardly devote time and are anyway not religious. Their parents have accepted that and thus they will just be a multi cultural family.
Eloquent WG, you stole the words right outta my mouth.
Why does it have to be your religion or my religion? It OUR religion, and we can learn something from them all. At the very least we must respect all religions, as well as religious beliefs weather we have a stake in them or not.
I don't know much about faith and what have you, I just think of religions as heightened philosophy!
But I gotta say Love is highly overrated. For all those who say that Love is all that matters and religion, nationality are irrelevant are sorely wrong.
For instance:-
People from Asia as very culturally and spiritually inclined. It's these beliefs and practices that shape their personalities. If you fall for someone from this part of the world then the onus is on you to understand their beliefs and cultural practices, if want to stay happy. Because to expect them to detach from their upbringing and beliefs will affect their personalities.....and you'll end up wondering, Is this the person I fell for?
So Love is really not enough when it comes to intercultural, inter faith marriages. It takes a mammoth effort for such alliances to work.
In inter faith marriages I see a lot of people change their faiths/ convert to get married. I don't get the logic behind that. In my opinion two religions can also be a very enlightning and enriching experiance.
I particularly liked Bora's take on such alliances, get married if you really like the person and with time as you learn more your partners religion/ way of life, which should come naturally, you can convert. That would be so much more enriching.
Sharp
Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....
Sharp
InshaALLAH!!!!..........
worldguy
- Sharp wrote:
Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....
Guess that will eventually change. Every country goes through a cycle and UAE is going through one as well. Where is your cousin from?
Sharp
- worldguy wrote:
- Sharp wrote:
Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....
Guess that will eventually change. Every country goes through a cycle and UAE is going through one as well. Where is your cousin from?
Every Culture goes through a Cycle with in the time, n good Change's 're alway's usefull for all living being belong from any culture!....
My Cozin belong from the Poltical family of Pakistan!...
worldguy
Exactly and UAE will get better with time. If you throw so many nationalities, it is bound to take a while before people start accepting each other and more importantly understand the various personalities.
Life is a journey, where some build themselves whereas others lose themselves and fall apart.
Sharp
I wish everyone Build them self in their Live's!!.............
worldguy
It takes a real character to do that and UAE is a place that tests the best of characters. Most of the people do not realise what they have turned into, till they get back to their home countries. I met with a consultant, whose role was helping expats settle down into their home countries agter a stint in UAE. People needed psychologist to help them get back to who they were. Some of things mentioned by him were scary. We all need to do a reality check every now and then to ensure that we have not forgotten our beliefs and have not moved away from our goals and the reason for being in UAE.
rookiebot
whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...
asimkh
:) interseted topic...
I lived in Dubai and Muscat...
I find that Arab guys having all the fun or may be dating no muslims or
no arabs but i find them more flirty and out going plus i think they are good and rich@
however, if some non arab guy wants to date arab gal, its pretty difficult
because mostly arab gals not prefer to talk to them especially asian guys
but if you are western then they do get in touch with you
and if you go out with arab gal dating or even coffee everyone watches
you especially in middle east but europe or other asian countries i find
arab girls dating sometime non arab guys
but in dubai due to attitude plus religion n cultural difference
you might get in touch online but reality will be different:)
Sharp
Hmmm It's Dubai!!.....
karans
Interesting topic, hardly any inputs from the Arab girls.
Bora Bora
- asimkh wrote:
:) interseted topic...
I lived in Dubai and Muscat...
I find that Arab guys having all the fun or may be dating no muslims or
no arabs but i find them more flirty and out going plus i think they are good and rich@
however, if some non arab guy wants to date arab gal, its pretty difficult
because mostly arab gals not prefer to talk to them especially asian guys
but if you are western then they do get in touch with you
and if you go out with arab gal dating or even coffee everyone watches
you especially in middle east but europe or other asian countries i find
arab girls dating sometime non arab guys
but in dubai due to attitude plus religion n cultural difference
you might get in touch online but reality will be different:)
Don't kid yourself. There are plenty of arab girls/women who hook up with Asians. Difference is, they do it on the sly.
karans
would you care to elaborate?
Bora Bora
- karans wrote:
would you care to elaborate?
Not on an open forum!!! Al Wasl hospital is full of orphans that clearly are Arab/Indian and Arab/Phillipino.
karans
what? just left stranded. That sucks. Why is Angelina Jolie and Madonna not been told about the same?
dida308
am arabic and i can explain that by my experience,
arab guys interisting in non arab girls coz non arab girls would give the guys every thing love, fun,s*e*x Free of charge :santa:
on the other side
the arab girls the can give only love and little kisses and they will eat your mind by The subject of marriage :error:
karans
- rookiebot wrote:
whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...
I searched on the internet and found that consultants are raking in my helping Europeans settle down from the effects of UAE. its because they adapted to the things here, which are lot different from things back in their country. This does surprise me, as I thought they would bring their culture and style here, but just brought their frustrations and constant cribbing. This is not how they are in Europe. The sun does take a toll.
Sharp
- Bora Bora wrote:
- rudeboy wrote:
ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?
If it is Arab Muslims.
We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.
rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.
Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.
After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.
What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.
And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.
When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.
Sorry, got carried away here.
Back to romance.
You would again type somthing about like i should keep point in posting, BUT Bora Bora.. i really like it, i did not know you think in that way.. well very nice.
Sharp
- karans wrote:
- rookiebot wrote:
whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...
I searched on the internet and found that consultants are raking in my helping Europeans settle down from the effects of UAE. its because they adapted to the things here, which are lot different from things back in their country. This does surprise me, as I thought they would bring their culture and style here, but just brought their frustrations and constant cribbing. This is not how they are in Europe. The sun does take a toll.
I have saw in the program where they said in UAE it's a mix Culture Country!... Poeple have the club's n also masjid... now it's up to the person where he want's to go!.. just mentioning here about the Porgram to making Clear, It's Just depend's on the people living here what they want to take n give.. if My self willing to spend my night in Club or pray in masjid.. i have freedom to do what i want but with careing the law!...
Liberty7
- worldguy wrote:
I see lot of Arab guys with non arab women, but not the other way around. Why is that?
Cultural difference, religion .....
I think that it is because arabs women are conservative, for an arab guy being with a non arab woman gives him some freedom in the relationship..of course not all of them think the same way, but it is a part of the truth..IN MY POINT OF VIEW
harrySFRIEND
my local friend also have a non arab lady and they are happy,
Ruggedblond
I seem to attract the attention of Arab women especially Lebanese, Syrian and Egyptian maybe because I look very different to the Arab men they are accustomed to who have dark hair and eye colourings.
Kissy
actually i had experiences with dating non arab men, but i disliked it. because my interests are differ than them ! i prefer arab men so that we know what connect us such culture, religion and feedback.
non arab as i saw take a relationship in rush !
what a wonderful and healthy to calm down taking relationship slowly in order to control it so i can approach long-term relationship which is healthy relationship.
bonbonboi
- Kissy wrote:
actually i had experiences with dating non arab men, but i disliked it. because my interests are differ than them ! i prefer arab men so that we know what connect us such culture, religion and feedback.
non arab as i saw take a relationship in rush !
what a wonderful and healthy to calm down taking relationship slowly in order to control it so i can approach long-term relationship which is healthy relationship.
Well said.
Bora Bora
- chocoparis1 wrote:
Bora Bora, can you PM me your email address. I am new to the UAE and would like to meet likeminded people. I would like to PM you but being new to the site I am unable as I think you have to post 10 messages beforehand. Thanks.
You cannot send or receive until you hit the 10 post mark. When you do, contact me.
sajid_anza
sarah
is there any perfect resaon arab gals prefer to date non arab.arab guys is more handsome then others. :o
bdr
i had my enough background and experience with those kinds of arabic women, with all i find somthing common, althought of the matter of the education level, culture , and even relegion ... etc i found the same copy with each ... as an arabic man was trying to get an arabic relation coz of the relegion (most of arabics are muslims) , after all i decided to through this race away , i have europe relation for three yrs now in UAE , she s really a perfect lady if u looking for the completion , smooth flower if u looking for the softness, minded if u looking for the wise , straight if u looking for the Principles , she s really an angel , and with all ...... she s Muslim now for few months .
wat i need more ...
i thank god who gave me this present, maybe coz how much i suffered :p
chocoparis1
Bora Bora, can you PM me your email address. I am new to the UAE and would like to meet likeminded people. I would like to PM you but being new to the site I am unable as I think you have to post 10 messages beforehand. Thanks.
finny76
I guess its because they dont have taste:D
PrincessN
Hey worldguy
You know why because here some ppl dont think out of the box (NO OFFENSE) , am a local girl real arab not persian or from another desent, am in a realtionship with non-local from the other side of the world SO WHAT!!!! were all humans nobody is better than anybody i believe we are all the same i honestly respect all the ppl all over the world , 100% support for a local girl X a non-local guy couples lolz.....
PrincessN ^^
atifsajjad
it is common here
Arabian.Rose
I am an Emarati female and always been attracted to expats and would like to point out few things
that in UAE it always been easy for an Arab guy to do what so ever because the culture/tradition sees
that nothing humiliates a man, an Emarati female cannot date (we date in secret) and one mistake by us females will humiliate the family name
which is not fair. You will see alot of Arab woman dating American and Europeans in secret but what if they fell in love?
the only way for an Emarati woman to be with the love of her life is running away with him, specially if her family are not open minded
and could get dragged into honour killing...the UAE desert is filled with dead bodies that no one talks about. I have dated a great American guy and had the courage to walk in the mall of the emirates with him, dinner and movies and the way the Emarati guys stared at us was filled with anger and jealousy. I do hope that things could change in UAE and us Emarati females could be with who ever we choose without being judged by society and get executed by the hands of our own parents. And I do hope that every Emirati guy who dates non locals could give there sisters a chance to do the same.
Oh and I always been told that expats are scared to date an Emirati female.. is that true?
Chocoholic
Arabian Rose, thank you for your post, it's lovely to see a local girls point of view. Hope that you stick around and give more of the same.
nuzbim
- Arabian.Rose wrote:
I am an Emarati female and always been attracted to expats and would like to point out few things
that in UAE it always been easy for an Arab guy to do what so ever because the culture/tradition sees
that nothing humiliates a man, an Emarati female cannot date (we date in secret) and one mistake by us females will humiliate the family name
which is not fair. You will see alot of Arab woman dating American and Europeans in secret but what if they fell in love?
the only way for an Emarati woman to be with the love of her life is running away with him, specially if her family are not open minded
and could get dragged into honour killing...the UAE desert is filled with dead bodies that no one talks about. I have dated a great American guy and had the courage to walk in the mall of the emirates with him, dinner and movies and the way the Emarati guys stared at us was filled with anger and jealousy. I do hope that things could change in UAE and us Emarati females could be with who ever we choose without being judged by society and get executed by the hands of our own parents. And I do hope that every Emirati guy who dates non locals could give there sisters a chance to do the same.
Oh and I always been told that expats are scared to date an Emirati female.. is that true?
well just to give you an example of other regions muslims. i grew up in the states and the guys do the same thing as you said above, but whenever any of the girls in the family dated guys, their families would freak out. while it's not at the same level as you mention, i do know of several girls who were ex-communicated from their families cause they were caught dating guys outside of the religion, while the men dated whomever they wished to. these are all people round my age or younger so 1st generation americans with muslim backgrounds.
it's still a backwards way of thinking. it's one of the reasons i moved away from that backwards mentality but it exists everywhere.
as long as you're happy then who cares what others think.
PrincessN
- Arabian.Rose wrote:
I am an Emarati female and always been attracted to expats and would like to point out few things
that in UAE it always been easy for an Arab guy to do what so ever because the culture/tradition sees
that nothing humiliates a man, an Emarati female cannot date (we date in secret) and one mistake by us females will humiliate the family name
which is not fair. You will see alot of Arab woman dating American and Europeans in secret but what if they fell in love?
the only way for an Emarati woman to be with the love of her life is running away with him, specially if her family are not open minded
and could get dragged into honour killing...the UAE desert is filled with dead bodies that no one talks about. I have dated a great American guy and had the courage to walk in the mall of the emirates with him, dinner and movies and the way the Emarati guys stared at us was filled with anger and jealousy. I do hope that things could change in UAE and us Emarati females could be with who ever we choose without being judged by society and get executed by the hands of our own parents. And I do hope that every Emirati guy who dates non locals could give there sisters a chance to do the same.
Oh and I always been told that expats are scared to date an Emirati female.. is that true?
hi arabian rose
am an emirati girl too, all what u have said is true and i totally 100% agree with u, am in a relationship with somone from the other side of the world , i know no one would except this but to be honest we should teach the society a lesson and show them that not only men have the right to marry whoever they want , we women have rights too , our hearts are not a trash , we need to feel and love and be with somone we wish to be with , our fate doesnt have to be from the same country or race, allowing to marry only emirati is a rule that they created , if no one marry you until u are 27 or 28 ppl will tell u that ur chance of marriage is gone and no one will marry u , OMG!!!!! what kind of a crazy way of thinking is that?
what if a girl found her person from another country, what she should do, leave the one she loves and marry somone that her family wants, but this is her life , shes the one whos gonna live it.
i have alot more to say but am honestly very sad :( cuz of this fact , but my advice is that nothing is impossiable.
shabir2AA
Natural, men are like this.