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siraj_ud_daula Is it possible for the Arab countries to form an Arab Union which like the European Union will have one single currency,an open border and what is more important it wil have one single army of about 2 to 3 million.The problem with the muslim world is we dont have a massive super power like China,Russia or the United States which can act as the guardian of the muslim countries and which can protect the muslim world.If India and China can form one single country in spite of having so much diversities why cant you Arabs unite.From the Euphrates to the Atlantic and from Syria to Yemen you are one single nation.If the Arab Union is formed it will mark the beginning of the end of the American Empire and it will be the death sentence for Israel.For the sake of Islam unite.
Dubai Knight There is talk of a common GCC currency and there are effectively no borders for GCC member nationals like the EU, however unity will never happen. You seem to think that Islam is the unifying bond? The differences between Sunni and Shiite are legend. The nations are not founded on simple borders, but on tribal allegiences. Its never going to happen in this universe. Maybe in a parallel one? :? :? :? Knight siraj_ud_daula why not.there are talks about African union with a single army.There are also talks about Mediterranian Union.Why cant the Arabs unite?you were one during the great Umayad and the Abbasid Caliphate.What is wrong being united again.The entire world is being united why cant the muslims unite.as long you wont be united and as long as you keep on bickering with each other the west is going to oppress you by devide and rule policy.look at what is happening.the entire Arab world in spite of having so much natural and popular resources is shivering in fear of a tiny little paste called Israel.if United States were devided into Texas,Caliphornia and Florida each an independent country would USA be the super power as it is.Yes there is Shia and Sunni problem.Iran is a Shiite country.But there is no shia-sunni problem among the arab world. muslimbangladeshi Where are you from brother? I am from Bangladesh as my UserID shows. I am 100% in agreement with you. This is the call of the hour, need of the day for Muslims the world over. It's not just Arabs, we have to include Persians, Kurds, Turks, Pashtuns, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Somalis, Senegalese, Russian, Chechen, and all Muslims in this unity. As of now, GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) seems to be the most effective union amongst Muslim countries. However one major obstacle in our way is western nations, led by USA. Most Arab countries have leaders that answer to USA. The only independent Muslim countries today are I would say Iran, Sudan and really not much more. The leadership in almost all other countries are sold out. The leadership alone can't be blamed, we must blame the people, the masses for their inaction. Chocoholic But you talk of uniting a religious front, rather than geographical locations, which is what Europe is. Europe has every type of religion, it;s not Christians United or anything like that. People like you are dangerous in my book! muslimbangladeshi
Are you responding to me?
The OP did mention an Arab Union which is the same as European Union in its membership criterion. There is no fundamental difference.
Now he did think of uniting Muslims all over the world, that is different from the EU but I believe that is just an example he used. Moreover if you ask many Turks they strongly and rightly believe, EU is indeed a Christian Club.
To add to that, your book doesn't sell outside your country. (i.e. we don't agree with you). reviewer
Ditto...... reviewer
Bang on .....I did say you will call for this anytime soon in my other post. Chocoholic :roll: arniegang The EU is far from being a Christian Club. The Arabs are far from united and like DK says it will never happen. All the Arabs are interested in, is "borders"

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muslimbangladeshi
I refuse to accept such a simplistic description of 300 million Arabs brothers and sisters, and how their minds work.
Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?
Turkey has been almost begging for membership for decades which European Union never accepts. Yet much poorer countries who were Soviet satellites were accepted. Turkey remains outside the helm. One must wonder. puppypup
R U mental? I'm American but my background is Turk and no way for this unity. Persians don't like Arabs so get real!!! And Russians!!! R U going to take away their vodka? A Russian cooperate with an Arab? Sorry Russians like to give orders. Indonesians? U better not touch Hindu Bali. :x puppypup
What's the status on Bosnia and Albania? Chocoholic Well that's good, because we don't want Turkey as part of the EU either! bonk
All EU members are secular and therefore non-Christian. Except maybe the Vatican City (is it an EU member?). Some EU countries' governing bodies have Muslim members for example. uaekid yaa arabs will never united no matter what. arniegang Turkey does not qualify for EU Membershp until it sorts out its human rights issues. Its "social services" is appaling. The majority of children born with disabilities are given back to the state to care for and the state just basically lock them away in institutions. A bit like Dubai really, how many people do you see out and about with handicaps both physical and mental?? rudeboy There will not be a arab union or a single arab army. reasons are clear and simple. USA. Y do you think USA has bases in nearly all arabian countries? Y do you think USA luxuries such as hummer, macdonnalds and coke exist in muslim countries all together? I wouldnt mind having Arab or Islam version of Nato or UN. I.e an attack on one Islamic country means an attack on all islamic countries. But the bottom line is this will not happen because of USA or USA puppets in muslim countries. But if you are muslim and have read the Quran you will all know that Islam will rise from the West. This has already started. More and more westerns are becoming Muslims. Even though islam is on the news for all the bads news, you can say it is a blessing in disguise, because more and more people are becoming aware of Islam. Those who have read about Islam history are aware how great empires such as the Mongol Empire had nearly wiped out Islam. But the same Mongols who had nearly wiped out islam later converted to Islam. Says alot about Islam. We have the same thing going on today with USA and the west. Y is that American soilders fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, when they go back to USA convert to Islam? Y is that americans and westerns including brits, germans etc are converting to Islam? Y is that the greatest Army in the world i.e America Army has muslims in its ranks? Y is it that CIA and FBI are hiring muslims? Y are there muslims politicians sitting in the house of commons in UK? We never expected a Black person to become a american president. Well who knows maybe down 50 years we might see a Muslim American President. Y is it that ppl such as (politician) I guess thats why ppl are afraid of Islam. its not because of al qaeda or osama. its because Islam is already in their homes, offices, armies and even secret services. siraj_ud_daula @bangladeshimuslim...i m from Bangladesh.After seeing all the responses to my subject now i understand why the Arab butt is being battered by the Anglo-American-Judaic axis of evil.All the rulers of the Arab world are corrupted power-monger hopeless piece of shit.Some of the countries are ruled by eunuch sultans with hundreds of girls in their Harem.rulers of these countries use American support to remain in power.There is no democracy in Arabia.That is the problem.And Islam does not support monarchial or autocratic rule. Why cant the muslim world unite.The OIC can be declared a free market Zone.The OIC can sign a treaty pact like Pan Islamic Treaty Organigation (PITO) and can agree on restricting some immoral things which are being inflicted upon the muslim countries like alcoholism,adultary,pornography,prostitution. I have heard someone speaking of secularism and human rights.You think the west has more human rights.What about the human rights of those hundreds and thousands of innocent women and children being mollested every single hour and then forced to pornography and prostitution.What about getting drunk and then commiting incest.What about all those night clubs,strip clubs and nudist clubs .Where men and women lie naked in the nudist beach.Where ninety percent of their men and women commit adultary.You want to import that kind of culture in the muslim countries in the name of secularism.Forgot of Dazzal having Heaven on his one hand and hell on his other hand?United states is preaching its whore culture in the form of secularism . And speaking of Turkey...their position has become like this...they kave knelt down to their masters and begging o lord take me in your union we will do whatever you ask me to do like banning the hejab,introducing alcohol,pornography,prostitution. Do you know why Salahdin defeated the crusaders?He won because he united the Arabs as one single country.Perhaps you wont understand until Imam Mahdi appears.
muslimbangladeshi
Assalamu Alaikum brother,
Are you a Kemalist?
Persians not liking Arabs is a generalization without basis. Muslim Russians mostly abide by Islamic laws, while if some of them don't, they are more Islamic than some Turks who drink "Raki".
Indonesia is also secular but has the largest Muslim population in the world.
You may not support this unity, but does it matter? As you said you are American and you are from a Christian country. muslimbangladeshi
Tiny countries where masses have largely abandoned Islam. Alcoholic drinks are commonly available, masses drink alcohol, exhibit their nude bodies and after all this(disgusting as it may sound) supposedly pray in the masjids.
That's Bosnia and Albania. In fact, Albania is the only country where Bush was popular despite what Bush has done to Iraq and Afghanistan and many more Muslim countries.
They are traitors if there ever was one in the Muslim world, some people also call Turkey a traitor, I don't know if that's true.
I just hope the Muslims all over the world see the benefits of forging a common union, maybe the Khilafah itself. muslimbangladeshi
Turks who are still deluded about gaining membership to European Union, and abandoned all forms of decency to allow their mothers and sisters to be photographed nude, to allow bikinis, topless sunbathing, pornography and other sins, must read this confession, right from the British horse's mouth.
:twisted: Chocoholic That was funny as! Well no, but I trhink the Greeks have alot to say about that! They hate the Turks with a passion! muslimbangladeshi
ALL EU countries' governing bodies have almost exclusively Christian members. :lol:
Romania and Bulgaria, former Soviet satellites, now EU member.
Turkey, sided with Western world for 4 decades, still talks are continuing for accession to the EU.
Both Romania and Bulgaria is poorer than Turkey.
muslimbangladeshi
Is that the actual reason? I thought this was it.
Chocoholic Ha see! The Spartans will have none of it! Malaka! muslimbangladeshi
Yes brother the USA is a major problem. But the USA is declining, Arabs have more than 300 million people, have more than 1.6 times the land area of the USA, have some of the fastest growing and richest countries in the entire world, have some of the best brands in the world in Emirates, Qatar Airways, Emaar, biggest airport in Dubai being built, tallest towers, most booming city etc.
Saudi Arabia is investing heavily in KAUST - a world class university in the making with over 33billion dirhams in endowments!
Hummer, mcdonalds and coca cola are POOR examples. They don't make or break anything. Japan has Toyota, Mitsubishi, Canon, Toshiba, Fujitsu, and so many other brands globally being used. Germany has Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, Siemens and so many more. You see it's just about economy as these brands alone can't make or break the political leadership of a country.
Your point is not right here but USA is a thorn in our Ummah's side.

Alhamdulillah it's much needed at this time. In fact, that's what the Khilafah should be for. It's the call of the hour.

It's in fact true and a sorry and insulting part of Islamic history that internal quarrels and squabbling allowed some barbaric raiders like the Mongols to cause bloodbath in Baghdad and elsewhere. They were routed in Egypt because the Mamluks were united and fighting with a purpose. Inshallah we must unite!

Very few of them.

Very few of them.
Secondly Islam is true and the right way because it is God's message to humanity. Doesn't matter who reverts to Islam, it was is and will be true Inshallah.

They have hundred times more Christians than Muslims. Secondly they are not necessarily the greatest army in the world. Thirdly they are declining as seen by their economic decline which will Inshallah induce a military decline and greater competition from Russia, China, European Union and if it unites, our Khilafah can easily overtake it Inshallah. Only the Unity is lacking at the moment.

CIA maybe needs to spy on Muslims? The Muslim employees are nothing but traitors as you know many a Muslim are being killed and tortured by this devilish organization.
UK has not only never had a Muslim PM, the public says it will NOT vote for a Muslim PM.

Does it really matter what happened over there? It should be an insult to every Arab that with 300 million people, they are being ruled by puppets of a country formed only 200 years ago, which has half the size of Aruba (Arab Union) approximately and 1/50th the history of Aruba.
It should be an insult to every Muslim that individually no Muslim country is strong enough to be in the top 5 strongest, most advanced, or politically and militarily powerful countries in the world, yet the Khilafah, if all of us unite can be the undisputed most powerful Union of the world with membership open to all people in the world!

Intelligent people are not afraid of Islam, in fact only the Western world is but the history is long. It runs back thousands of years when European nonmuslims used to spread propaganda against Muslims. It runs much further than the Crusades by Christians. muslimbangladeshi
*Sidenote*
Are you joking around here? Do you do it in real life too? No offence. Chocoholic Really? You wanna go there? My ex is Greek and he had to put in 18 months in the Greek army because the Turks keep breaking their borders and messing about! He doesn't have a good word to say about them. I seriously don't think you would want to argue with him! Many Greeks hate the Turks - end of! SPARTA!!!! muslimbangladeshi
It's unfair to castigate our Arab brothers in this manner. What have WE Bangladeshis contributed to the Muslim cause? Have WE been able to lead the Ummah into a unity? Has the OIC, led by a Turk, been able to make any meaningful impact in this crisis situation in Palestine?
The harems were a characteristic of the Ottoman harems, who were Turks. And while on democracy, do you know China is not much of a democracy? Are you observing the rise of China? Do you see that India is the world's largest democracy? Yet can it be compared in any indicator to China or Russia?

Ineffective leadership. OIC is being led by a Turkish person. It's common at least in the subcontinent, to blame Arabs for lack of unity. I don't see mention of this fact that OIC is being led by Turks and what has OIC achieved for our Ummah's unity and welfare?

The western politicians speak of human rights to brainwash the masses and appear as the 'good' and 'civilized' side and depict the 'enemy' as 'backwards' and 'evil'. The masses gobble it up; and regurgitate it when they are asked for opinions on other societies. Unfortunately, the masses are gullible.

Ditto.

Salahdin Ayubi, a great Muslim leader, was of Kurdish descent (not Arab). He united the Muslim world irrespective of their ethnicity, Arabs, Persians, Kurds etc. muslimbangladeshi
I know about the Greek-Turkish rivalry. 4 centuries of Ottoman rule must still hurt.
My point was, are you always in a jocular mood in real life? Or just joking around in these fora? uae75
hmmmmm..........one word popped in my head when i read this comment...............Denial :wink: TheChoosen
Vatican City is a EU member
Turkey is already a ASIAN country, which doesnt belong to the european continent
The socalled"GREEN PARTY" in Germany, they have a turkish muslim as their 1st man!
So let the cristians build a church in your county, then we all can call us brothers, not only muslims, we are all human beings!!!!!! Flying Dutchman
No, it is not. bonk
So? You were asking about countries, not people in your first question. bonk
Denial? What does a river in Egypt have to do with the EU? muslimbangladeshi
And somebody answered that a handful of members are Muslims in some EU countries.
ALL EU countries are christian. gafoorgk :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes, they do look so.
but they DID say some valid points. keep religious matters aside. arab countries NEED to unite in every form. otherwise, this region will be ruled or completely controlled by many other countries in near future. muslimbangladeshi Arab countries may need to unite first before it triggers a chain reaction that catalyzes other Muslim countries to join the Union. It's the need of the hour, I agree bro. gafoorgk i don't agree on it. what u said is true in their current state. but arab countries CAN unite under few strong leaders. Flying Dutchman Especially Saudi sheikhs oppose Arab unity:
Sheikh 'Abd Al-'Aziz Qari:

Sheikh Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid:
Humbleman
You are dead right on that. Strong leaderships who are interested on the Middle East’s future as a whole. Middle East is suffering from leaders who have been only interested on how much money they can make for themselves and their family members, and how they can circumvent the laws so their rules cannot be challenged. puppypup
I'm a girl raised to admire Ataturk who wears mini-skirts, spaghetti straps, and shows her navel from time to time. OMG sometimes you can even see my big hard nlippes through my brassiere and top. I've gone topless at a beach. I'm not fond of Raki. I actually like ouzo better (traitor me :lol: ) but I prefer Bourbon or Whiskey. I dance with male strangers in nightclubs. Yet I go home alone. Neverthless I'm going to hell because I'm having fun with my life and enjoying one of Allah's most precious gift....life on earth. bonk
I disagree but so what if they are? What's the problem? siraj_ud_daula @puppypup...there are other ways of having fun than showing your nipples and limbs in public.it is like enticing all the flies to sit on your body and have a feast of your physical beauty.a man will keep staring at you and think filthy thoughts about you is that honourable for you?the Turks have given Kemal a position above prophet muhammad there lies the problem.Life is not all about having drunk and having sex.Life is more beautiful than that.It the west that has invented this notion of having fun by having drunk and sex in the name of fun. Chocoholic
Wrong! You see this is the problem! Why is it the woman's fault! Are men not capable of showing self control over their thoughts and actions?! Don't punish women, because of your lack of self control!
Right I'm off to the nudist beaches in the summer - whooohooo! Nothing like feeling free in the buff! muslimbangladeshi
I hope you are joking.
Somebody should have told you, your sense of humour is absent. muslimbangladeshi
The problem is you denied it.
Not much of a problem otherwise, from my POV.
Problem is for Chocoholic and similar persons, who say Muslims shouldn't unite. I gave them the example of Christian Club of EU, she denied it. muslimbangladeshi
Showing your true colours? I blame nonmuslim Western upbringing which is fraught with immoral lascivious lewd and pornographic lessons. Chocoholic Sweetheart, I was brought up in Saudi Arabia! Dubai Knight [quote="muslimbangladeshi"
I blame nonmuslim Western upbringing which is fraught with immoral lascivious lewd and pornographic lessons.
No it isn't.
You mind is full of them though.
Say goodbye!
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight reviewer


I think I'd peed on my pants laughing....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: bonk
Sorry, looks like I can't help you with your problem then. I'm happy with my understanding.
Some countries are religious because the government says they are and their choice of religion governs how they rule - the Vatican for example. European governments are secular and allow citizens to choose and practice their choice of religion, that's why I say they're not Christian countries. I'd agree the majority of the population in Europe is Christian but I didn't think that was your question.

Where did they say Muslims shouldn't unite? RobbyG
As a resident member of one of the EU countries and together with a big interest in world politics, I think I can help you broaden your viewpoint on this one.
I agree with you saying about the simplistic description of 300m Arabs.
But we Europeans have a fundamental difference in our way of politics. We are secular. State and religion are separated and may never be intertwined. That is one of the major differences of Middle Eastern / Arab nations, that have religious leadership, or should I say dictatorships. Its more appropriate as the free choice and free will of people is cornered by these so called 'leaders'.
History points out that those religious leaders are not representing the entire population of a country. Also people do not speak out in some of these nations with 'dictatorship' as the religion forbids them to be a true democracy and choose leaders and religion of their own. They are forced into a direction for some way of life the leader feels appropriate.
The only way to break out of this type of dictatorship is to form an alliance with other tribes rulers and landowners to form some form of 'terrorist' bond. It actually isn't terroristic in essence, but to overthrow such existing system needs force and a rigorous change of mindset for people to support such new movements. Force against an establishment ruler (or government) is called terror. As I see it, its just a desperate attempt for freedom. Not to say, that it is good. The new leadership might be just as evil or corrupt or appreciated.
Let true democracy and freedom of voice decide whether a country is prosperous or not. In Europe this development is way further than the Middle East and Asia.
Free trade also diminishes the differences and preassumptions of people. Over time it reaches tolerance and resilience. This is a base for unity as we know it in the Western world.
Its up to the relevant people to stand together and demand the freedom of voice. Freedom in opinion and freedom in choice.
Not saying that all leaders are bad. I actually have very much respect for UAE Arab leaders. Thats why I want to join them and help their nations be prosperous.
We Westerners are not all that bad. I'm not even a tad religious. Tolerance and respect is key. And Freedom of voice to discuss the differences and misunderstandings without getting busted heads.
And people; Europe is NOT the USA. Totally different. Slayer666
-Not all men are horny!!!
-Here in your arab country MEN are ULTRA MAXIMUM horny &GREEN MINDED & FILTHY MINDS!!! you only think About s*x!!!
-In other countries they dont stare at ladies like you Horny Arabs do!!!
-Cuz were used to see sexy ladies everyday and for us its normal Cuz were not as Horny as you!!! muslimbangladeshi
In a Western setting by Westerners, in a closely guarded compound or similar setings?
Or just pulling our legs? muslimbangladeshi
No it isn't.
You mind is full of them though.
Say goodbye!
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Knight
Denial!
Now judging from this forum, it must be another trait of you Westerners. muslimbangladeshi
I am sick and tired of having to answer a multitude of Western trolls.
Kindly look it up. Maybe later I'll look it up myself.
Is European Union a Christian club? sometimes you say no, sometimes yes.
As for secularism, that has been in place in Turkey for decades. So Turkey's lack of EU membership points to one reality, EU is a Christian Club. RobbyG
Considering your addict status here at Dubai Forums, I have the feeling you envy us Westerners.
You may also leave this forum and never come back with your attitude against Westerners. Just a tip. muslimbangladeshi
I have translated your Western speech into 'internationally' understandable language. muslimbangladeshi
I am sorry, I don't understand your reasoning.
This is Dubai forums. Not Western world forums, England forums, Dutch forums etc.
It is our brotherly country that has made great strides and I wish our brothers all the well. I wish we can bond together to form a strong union that benefits all of us. Alhamdulillah it will be a magnificent achievement to achieve our common goals.
The Westerners are the ones who unnaturally occupy these forums. RobbyG Its the democratic vote that counts. And as demonstrated several times, it is you who is minority and showing hatred (or should I say disrespect, I'm not sure yet) against us. The freedom of speech selects us for this forum, so its you who has to obey the laws of virtual conferencing. Have some respect, otherwise leave and join a religious fora that complies to your needs and single-minded opinions. Showing that you don't have the decency to respect another individual's visions, opinions and culture does make you the underdog here. Please try to adapt, like we (Westerners) try to (and succeed mostly) to your society for instance, Dubai. bonk
Then why do you?

Look up what?

You said it was, not me. I'm saying it's not.

See, you said it again. Anyway, Turkey doesn't force the EU to be Christian by not being a member. The EU has already decided that they, like Turkey, are secular. muslimbangladeshi
No.
It's justice that counts. Most people in this world are Asians, can we say then all nonAsians are inferior and live by our rules?

Freedom of speech selects you? What are you babbling about.

Westerners mostly FAIL to adapt to Dubai, just look around these forums, many threads are on Westerners causing trouble.
I am in fact one of the only few persons here who respect and try utmost to adapt to Emirati religious belief, customs, values, norms etc. Chocoholic One of the biggest reasons for Turkey's rejection into the EU, is it's failure to recognise the Kurdish population, which consist of over one third of the whole population. Turkey insists all it's inhabitants are Turks - according to it's constitution, which they are not. This is a violation of the EU regulations which state that in a democratic society, which Turkey claims to be, as they hold eleciotns for members of parliament, that everyone has the right to fair representation, nor matter what creed or ethnic background they come from. Turkey therefore commits human rights violations against the Kurds, as it fails to recognise one third of its population. RobbyG
This is absolutely correct.
to Mr. Bangladesh:
What I was babbling about; As this is an open internet forum, this means that everyone is able to participate in these discussions. You and me and everyone else. What I meant was that this is not your website where you can demand more arab citizens to join and expel the Westerners. Freedom of speech prohibits that from you. You can start your own Dubai forum if you like though with all sorts of religious rules, but don't come to us Westerners by saying this is your forum. It just not going to happen.
Love the free world, instead of all those things you're not allowed to. muslimbangladeshi
You are saying you Westerners can't accept 'free speech'. This is a forum dedicated to Dubai and you should learn to read before you make any more comments.
Freedom of speech is severely lacking in the West as obscenties are censored in the Western media and so is pornography (as it should be) in children's channels.
Hence freedom of speech is an eyewash idiotic masses in the West spout like you when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Freedom of speech doesn't exist in this forum either, otherwise there would be no bans placed nor would I be threatened to be banned, specially in view of the fact that I hadn't insulted any religion. muslimbangladeshi
Do I need to mention anti Muslim sentiment? Didn't I give a link in this thread somewhere on this? RobbyG Its a moron. Everybody knows by now. The guy loves to talk to air and we just make fun of him. barbarella
what is this muslim unity you keep speaking of...putting all those groups together...its laughable....first there is a geographical problem...and then you've got all the ethnic differences as well as cultural ones...somalis can barely unite themselves..arabs treating pakistanis, somalis, indonesians etc as equals...ya right...will they have an equal exchange of labour and rights like the eu?
what kind of delusional bangladeshi are you...i've never seen anyone kiss so much arab a$$ in my entire life...get a grip gafoorgk i don't think arab unity is impossible. but with angry kids who never show willingness to learn, listen, reason, respect, etc., it's not going to happen ever.
one can argue that policy adopted by western countries is what causing arab countries not to unite. who gave and still giving them chance ?!!! LOL, i remember a bed-time story i used to hear when i was child. "once two goats started fighting, a wolf saw this and .............". arabs were not (i do not think they still are) weak. no matter what western world did and still doing, it's the arab people and their state of mind which are to be blamed.
also it should not be based on religion, but based on geographical location. kanelli Oh yes, the Western world is responsible for everything bad that happens everywhere else. We make everyone divided, make everyone commit crimes, fraud, abuse etc. We make everyone all over the world turn into immoral people. I know, no country is responsible for its own problems, they can just chalk it up to "evil" Western influence again. No individual should be responsible for their own conduct, then can just blame the influence of the West that they have been exposed to. It is always easier to blame someone else, isn't it? rudeboy
lol hahaha and now we drift to other reasons :D i guess i can say the same about Israel human rights violations against the muslims and christians but yet they are supported by USA for their actions :D kanelli Chocs was talking about the EU, and then you compare it to how the US supports Israel - yeah, good comparison. :lol: EU and USA are same thing? Faulty logic. rudeboy
i was comparing the 2. how one is not allowed in the EU for human rights issues and how the other is supported by USA for whatever it does including killing ppl. :D GET IT??? comprende??



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