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Annoying Kids and Parents in Dubai


Sara1983
lol I agree :D
sage & onion
Come on Mint Tulip,
Are you serious, I would also like to remind you that you were a kid once. kanelli Sorry, but that is really selfish. I agree that parents should be teaching better manners and public conduct, but you still seem to want to banish children from public places, which I don't agree with at all. Wait until you have your own kids - I'll mail you your comments from this thread as a reminder of your opinions. :D kanelli I agree that many parents are getting lazy with looking after their children, and to be honest, in Dubai many don't even feel responsible at all - it is the maid who is raising the kids. However, I completely disagree with your opinion that there should be more kid-free spaces. Kids are the next generation and have every right to be out of their homes in shopping places, grocery stores and other normal places where people conduct their lives. It doesn't make sense to keep kids either at school, home or some park somewhere. Also, think about parents who must take children with them to get errands done. You need to be more flexible and perhaps be more tolerant of the young people who are an important part of society too. Mint Tulip I have a big issue with kids in public places. I have noticed that kids are rowdier and less well-behaved in Dubai than most anywhere else I've been to. The parent's attitudes towards the actions of their kid's - which is mainly to ignore their bad behavior - compounds these public nuisances. I find it frustrating that single people can't find many spaces that are kid free - aside from bars and clubs. Kids are everywhere, and malls and grocery stores are the worse in terms of kid-annoyances. Kids in food courts, my gosh, running around, throwing things, breaking things, screaming - and parents usually don't even flinch. Why are parents so complacent here?? I've seen a kid playing with an actual water gun inside a mall, shooting away. I've encountered toddlers left to create havoc at department stores while the parents are in another area of the store. Kids playing football inside a grocery store. I've had babies pull my hair at a restaurant while their parents thought it was so cute. Noisy kids in cinemas are also a pain. And then what's up with kiddie areas next to the food courts and/or some bookstores and internet cafes? The last thing that I want to do while I'm having a snack is hear that obnoxious circus music and the beeps and sirens of the super noisy games combined with the screaching of kids. I am definitely not a child hater, but I like to enjoy my time out without so many annoyances. I think we single people deserve to have more kid-free spaces. We should have our rights too. Mint Tulip kanelli, I'm not talking about banning kids from public spaces - that would not be logical or doable. I'm talking about designating certain areas as kid-free even if it is during certain hours of the day. It's not my fault that parents can not control kids or can't hire a baby-sitter, it's not fair that I should put up with kid-annoyances, I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way. I think that parents and kids invade personal spaces and take their presence at anyplace for granted - they have all the rights while single people that don't want to deal with kids in public space have basically no rights. St.Lucifer Common... dont you like kids.. i love kids... its not their fault.. but their parents.. they should b taught how to take care of their kids. zam What you want is just sooo unfair for the children. Why do they need to have limited places just bec your annoyed by their presence? Did you not have a good childhood m'tulip? There are areas where kids dont usually linger such as smoking areas, bars, banks, etc ! I think your being so self centered! Your not the only one on this planet and you have to live with that fact :!: Mint Tulip Oh gosh :roll: :lol: Are these annoyed people parents or what? zam I had a very happy childhood, an was a well-behaved kid, thank you very much. I don't hate kids! I'm not crazy about them, but I don't hate them. I don't want to deal with kids when I go out, why should I? Parents are the ones being unfair, not me, c'mon now. Parents should learn that you their kids can in fact be a public nuisance! More good-parent education is needed as Lucifer said. In my perfect world people who can't afford a baby-sitter should not have kids... {sigh} I would completely support a mall that is kid-free, like on weekends or during certain hours. That would be heaven! Jeevan Its not that all kids are not well behaved, its just a few who are a bit more loud then others i would say :) its more upto how parents handle them, and what kind of manners are inculcated in them. In theatres parets need to undestand if a kid starts crying or gets restless they need to take him out of the theatre, In a mall if they are having fun it should be seen that if dosent trouble others. Its just a matter of teaching them right manners J

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zam
Mint...thats rubbish! The kids that are totally wackos are being taken cared of by baby sitters only! Their busy parents do not usually attend/discipline them thats why they act crazy and actually craves for attention.
And why not put yourself in the kid's position...all they want is to have fun and be loved. Kids are gonna be kids. Deal or no deal. So might as well have one and you'll know how precious they are :P Mint Tulip people chill out please I'm selfish because I don't want to be enchanted by a screaming kid in a restaurant while the parents do nothing about it??? haha. :lol: So what are the parents if not selfish?? I do not want to banish kids from the earth, that's just a dream that I have, but in actuality it wouldn't be plausible. I would be satisfied with being able to go to a mall, just one would be fine, and not encountering kids and mommies pushing their kid carts, (strollers?). kanelli, my sister thinks exactly like I do and she has kids! She doesn't go out to a very public space with her kids. She's not always talking about her kids at work like so many people that go on and on and don't talk of anything else. You know, she is a normal person that doesn't impose her kids on anyone. Chocoholic Guys, I think you're being a bit hard on MT. Personally I don't think it's so much the presence of children, it's how they're behaving, and I also have to say that children here very very badly behaved, they lack even basic manners and how to treat other people, and the parents should be ashamed of themselves, because obviously to have kids who behave like that, they'r taking very little interest in them. Adult only showings in the evenings at the cinema would be heaven sent for me! Bleakus
what are they going to do to the kid....slap him/her until the kid shuts up
having kids are a blessing from god, some people cannot have kids.
i was a little devil myself when i was a kid ;), i used to break stuff all the time and do pranks......thats all.... ;):lol: :lol: pinoy1 haha, I understand you Mint, I too am not fond of rowdy kids and friends who talk endlessly about theirs. We'll just have to adapt and avoid the things that annoy us. Those parents who doesn't know how to deal with their little kids will soon have a hard time dealing with them when the brats grow up. So it's actually a lot more trouble for them. kanelli You are getting onto another topic by discussing other women doing nothing but talking about their own children with everyone. Concerning your sister not taking her children out in public... I feel sorry for those children. Is it that your sister thinks she doesn't have adequate control over her children or they lack the appropriate manners to be out in public? Or perhaps she just wants to avoid the hassle of dealing with them in public at all? Who knows! All I know is that it is normal for familes to go out in public together. Absolutely parents should not let their kids disturb others or take children to evening movies that are supposed to be for adults anyways. They should to go to afternoon movies and see child-appropriate films etc. All parents shouldn't be punished and have their kids banished due to the bad parents and badly behaved children. That hardly seems fair. ^ian^ Well, I have to admit, kids in some places can be a right pain in the behind. MT has a point, sometimes you'd just like to go to child free places. Even at parties it can be annoying to have other people bring their kids. Not ALL the time, but SOME OF the time. sage & onion
Why is it that they now all become "brats", don't you think you are being rather unfair towards children? scotty3000 I love kids Couldn't eat a whole one though
^ian^
Gee that avatar gets around. pinoy1
Oops, I mean Those parents who doesn't know how to deal with their little brats will soon have a hard time dealing with them when the kids grow up. 8) Chocoholic The problem here as Kanelli has pointed out, is that many of the children are infact raised by the maid or nanny and not the parents. The children are not disciplined and taught what is and what is not acceptable behaviour. Also the flip side to the situation is that there is hardly anything for children to do here, there are no youth clubs or anything like that. GoodBai I think MT would love to employ the services of the Pied Piper of Dubai :wink: They aren't from another species you know! scotty3000
You're right - i was being lazy
Like the new avater (it's a bit more realistic) FeiPo
Zam,
a good childhood does not = running around the supermarket, pushing the trolley around bumpping into people's feet at the same time scream like hell.
a good childhood does not = sceam + run at the same time in a busy restaurnat while people serving hot food and other people trying to enjoy thier meals.
a good childhood does not = shouting back at adults who trying to tell them not to jump off the stairs
a good childhood does not = rolling around on the dirty floor and of course screaming at the same time
a good childhood does not = parents let you eat whatever you want and you are 80kg when you are only 6 years old FeiPo
the parents aren't exactly dicipline themselves right? look at their behavior, how do they set a good example? easternjewel Kids – can’t live with them, can’t live without them!! I use to have theories about raising up kids & disciplinary issues until I was living with them! I have amazing nephew & niece and they do all sort of crazy things which I agree as a family would be more tolerable to us but may not be to outsiders. Good conduct & mannerism should be taught but on the other hand best is to leave them with their behavior, give them space & just let them grow up! However, I completely agree about the trolley crashing, back screaming, making faces & so on & its due to no precincts from parents which leads to that sort of behavior & when parents do realize its too late to correct them! It is very natural to get annoyed but cmon kids are soo wonderful! sniper420
mmm E#j is planning to b goooooood mom! Bleakus im sure she will ;) (easternjewels) Mint Tulip
You made some good points. The reality is that we are the ones that have to adapt; there's no choice. But just the suggestion of having more places that are kid-free really seems to bother some people! So it seems that it's ok for us child-less people to adapt but not ok for parents with unruly kids to adapt? I think that is selfish and unfair of parents.
Also, Dubai is experiencing a trend with kids that are adapting thuggish behavior as they grow up. This is eventually a social problem - not just a nuisance - when parents don't take steps to discipline unruly kid's from the start.
Ian
I love it when I get invited to a party and the invitation says "No Children Please."
EasternJewel
Exactly. Some people don't realize that what is tolerable in one's family is not tolerable to other people, out in public.
Feipo,
I totally agree. And yes, the problem lies with the parents.
And for those saying that kids are wonderful, gifts of God, etc. etc. Well yeah, they're cute and wonderful, but that's NOT the issue here; a child's cuteness doesn't justify a parent's irresponsibility. kanelli Why don't you propose a sterilisation policy then - just stop people from procreating at all - then the world will certainly be free of annoying children. :roll: Mint Tulip
wtf? kanelli I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I have been in this country for heading towards a year now and I have been out in public places, yet have not faced nearly the same problems with kids that some of you have. I seriously have not seen that many out of control kids in the malls and restaurants. Then again, I don't think that kids who run around and play with siblings are out of control - I mean, you can't expect a kid to just be quiet and walk calmy in the mall like an adult does. I've been to the movies many times in the evenings and not once has there been a baby or small child there. I've eated in a restaurant or cafe with screaming kids from time to time, but they are family eateries, not fancy fine dining restaurants and cafes. Maybe kids and parents are well-behaved in my part of town - who knows! weary_heart I love kids very much... it's just that sometimes they are so annoying. Take for example: 1. Inside the restaurant, when a child starts to shout or begin his tantrums and the parent/s just let their child continue their behavior - that's when I get annoyed. 2. Inside the mall, sometimes the parents let their children run and bump you, ie. in the skalator... sometime I looked at those children with my big eyes and tell them 'Dont play here, ok.' hahaha Kids are cute and lovable when they are behaving well, but when they begin their tantrums and their parents do nothing, that's annoying. (On the contrary, I cant stand seeing a mother slapping/hitting their child inside the shopping mall) kanelli And about kids going to parties at people's houses - I'm sure many parents won't bring them anyway - especially if the people there are only interested in getting drunk and being loud. Not exactly a child-friendly environment. LaurenX :shock: Do any of you know how hard it is to bring up a child? Please, wait till you have kids, then comment on the 'problems' that the parents have, because it is all very easy to sit there and judge when you have no idea just how hard it is to look after a child 7 days a week. And if we are not allowed to push our babies round in strollers in the mall (in your perfect dream world) then where can we go in summer>? Make them sit in the heat of a park or go stir crazy shut away in the house? And although people's kids are annoying to you, just remember that to their parents, they are the centre of the universe. Yeah ALL kids can be badly behaved sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to be out in public.. have some sense! :!: Mint Tulip kanelli,
If this is not a problem for you, great! good for you, Why the defensiveness and sarcasm then?
It is a nuisance for me and for many of my friends. I know that kids need spaces to run around, but the supermarket should not be one of them. I used to live in a building with neighbors who had small kids. There was no playground in the building and the main street was too dangerous for kids to play in, so some of them would play in the hall in front of my place and would frankly make a lot of noise at times. I did not mind at all, why? Because I understand that kids need to play and be kids and I would not want to see them put in danger by going down to the streets. But this is different than what my gripe is all about. I'm specifically talking about unruly children in public places and that the blame lies with the PARENTS. I also think that there is a need for more kid-free spaces. If you don't understand my point, even though I've been pretty clear about it, then I don't know what's up with you....
Classist much? kanelli What part of town do I live in Mint Tulip? What class do you think I belong to? I'm very interested to know why you jump to such conclusions about my comment. I find your attitude towards children selfish and offensive. As Lauren pointed out - do you know how difficult it is to raise a child? They are small beings that have to learn how to behave and they make mistakes. They have energy and can be wild sometimes! Parents have to learn how to deal with their children and it isn't easy. Just wait until you are a parent and your child lays screaming in the floor in shop. Are you guaranteed to be able to deal with it quickly and efficiently? Are you 100% sure your child will not have a tantrum? I'm yet to meet any parent that hasn't had a child pull a tantrum. Is it embarassing? Yes - and I have sympathy when I see such things. Being a parent is probably the hardest job out there. Look at the big space, wide aisles in a supermarket! Come on! It screams "run and play!" to a child. You seem to have lost touch with how you were when you were a child. Children are young and carefree and creative - they have their own minds. Children are not drones or mini-adults expected to be conservative and quiet like adults. And speaking of adults, I've met very poorly behaved adults in malls and restaurants - being rude, loud and offensive. Should we have some days in the week where rude adults are banned from public places too? You need to chill out and stop being so negative about children and parents. easternjewel I don’t know what you guys are expecting from parents seriously. When kids misbehave in the public, some parents hit them, it makes the situation worst! You can never expect how kids will ‘behave’. In their world, they’re just having fun. Like Kenelli, lucky I have never encountered problems that you state, and in my case, I have been in Dubai for good 18 years. easternjewel
can we please? :lol: LaurenX 'You need to chill out and stop being so negative about children and parents.' I second that... those who have never been parents shouldn't judge those who are.. most people are working their bl00dy hardest and are doing the best job they know how to :evil: Mint Tulip LaurenX
"Do any of you know how hard it is to bring up a child? Please, wait till you have kids, then comment on the 'problems' that the parents have, because it is all very easy to sit there and judge when you have no idea just how hard it is to look after a child 7 days a week."
That is not the point of this post. We're talking about unruly kids and complacent parents at malls, etc. not about how difficult it is to raise kids. That's some other Oprah type post.
"And if we are not allowed to push our babies round in strollers in the mall (in your perfect dream world) then where can we go in summer?"
Who is suggesting that kids get banned from ALL malls???
If it were up to me, it would make sense to have at least one space, yeah ONE, dedicated to a children-free environment. One mall out of dozens and dozens of malls in Dubai that is kid-free even if it is during certain hours of the day or even the week, will certainly not affect kids and their mommies.
"And although people's kids are annoying to you, just remember that to their parents, they are the centre of the universe."
This is no excuse for not disciplining a child!
"Yeah ALL kids can be badly behaved sometimes, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to be out in public.. have some sense!"
NO ONE has said that the solution is to ban kids from going out in public. And if someone did suggest that, it is OBVIOUSLY not going to happen, so there's no need to get worked up about it. You obviously did not read the posts. Wow, parents :roll: :lol: LaurenX 'That is not the point of this post. We're talking about unruly kids and complacent parents at malls, etc. not about how difficult it is to raise kids. That's some other Oprah type post' Yea, you are saying that unruly kids in malls, restaurants etc. is the parent's fault, and I am saying that you have no idea how hard it is to bring up a child, so is it really the parents fault if kids have tantrums? So are all parents bad parents because their kids have had a tantrum in a shopping mall before? Please, you are trying to justify a view that is pathetic. Grow up. Mint Tulip kanelli, You're the one that needs to chill out. I'm stating how I feel about a very real problem, if you don't like it, it's fine, really! But your quasi-solutions to a problem that you see as non-existent are rather silly and unnecessary. Mint Tulip Laura So it seems I hit a sore spot, :wink: I'm sure there's no need to feel like a bad mommy :) Chocoholic Take a chill pill peeps. I think the words here are 'some' kids and 'some' parents, not ALL. Also there's a big difference between really young kids mis-behaving because they don't know any better, and older children who get into trouble just because they're bored with nothing to do. LaurenX Number 1: My name is not Laura Number 2: I know I'm a great Mum Number 3: You post $hit, you've been on this forum for what, 3 days, and already you are trying to insult people? GET A LIFE! I couldn't give a $hit whether you think I'm a good Mum or not, who are you anyway?! You have hit a sore spot in the sense that you have made selfish and ridiculous comments about other people's kids and the way they discipline them, I am sure you would make a FANTASTIC mum lol. Mint Tulip Lauren, my bad. I personally do not find mums and their mommy talk interesting, so the whole thing about how hard it is to raise a kid, booooring. Sorry, but you were just asking for it. I said that I hit a sore spot because of your incredible (I would say ridiculous) over-reaction and defensiveness. Just because your kids are the center of your universe does not mean that they are for the rest of us. Stop living in a bubble, there are other people out there! As Choco pointed out we are talking about "some" kids and "some" parents. I know that not all parents are lousy and non-disciplinarian, thank goodness. I have been here on DF for a long time, on and off. You must make one hell of a mom, with that language of yours... :lol: pinoy1 M.Tulip, just practice some more tolerance towards unruly kids if you can't avoid them. One day when you finally become a parent you can get even :twisted: LaurenX You really really aren't in a position to judge. And I have no idea who you are.. I know that my friends from the forum have met my son, and he's an angel so my parenting skills can't be that bad! And I save bad language for idiots :roll: fofy_fonfec My name is Sophie, I am French (please be indulgent as my English level is not so tip top :oops: ) and I am currently working in Switzerland. We will move to Dubaï in February. I have myself 2 children of 2,5 years old (Twins) and I must say that I understand Mint Tulip point of view even though his arguments sound very provocative. In brackets Mint Tulip, Mum’s are able to talk about something else them children :wink: ! I used to live in Countries where children are treated as a King, where children can do everything they want and behave with an unacceptable manner just because we as adults shouldn’t blame the creativity of these little Angels…It is good for children to go out and explore the world but it is also the responsibility of the parents as much as they can to give them some rules and limits, what they can do and when they can’t. It is very basic I know and it is a 100% job I tell you :cry: . It happened once or twice that one of my daughters was having a terrible behavior in a shop (crying, throwing a tantrum…), my husband simply took her away while I was finishing some shopping. As far as there are public spaces, everybody has to learn to live together. As parents and when we will be in Dubaï, I must say that I worry a lot of having to explain to my children why they can’t do one thing or another that the others kids are allowed to do. Never mind, I will start the fight :twisted: !!! constantine
he is one of the most well behaved lil guys i've come across...kids now a days have a lot of free reign...and its the parents responsibility...but you can't advocate a peaceful environment purely based on your peace of mind...for me personally dubai being a young working town...seeing kids and families around gives it some semblance of family home and security...its a jungle out there people...and you sometimes need to step back and realise the game can get too old to play...imagine...a singles mall...perhaps we should put up some disco balls and boogie down while shopping at carrefour... :lol: :lol: Chocoholic Can we please stop the personal attacks, and bad language, I don't want to see this thread moved to fight club! I'll tell you something from experience, I used to work in a nursery school 3 - 7 year old children, and the majority were great, and some not so well mannered or behaved, and I'll tell you this, one look at the parent and how they were behaved and mannered and you could see exactly why the children were like they were. It's all down to upbringing and what experience children are given in the world. Mint Tulip lauren, yawn. constantine and pinoy, Well the reality is that I do put up with annoying kids, not much of a choice, though I have been known to point out to a parent that their child is behaving badly (in public) - if it comes to a point where it is really annoying. This forum is a place where people can be free to post their gripes about personal experiences and situations in Dubai. And that's just what I'm doing. :wink: (though constantine, you might be joking about the singles mall, but I think it would be great!) LaurenX 'you sometimes need to step back and realise the game can get too old to play' What do you mean? constantine
edited by moi (constantine-self appointed MOD... 8) ) XRW-147 Tangents... LaurenX 'you sometimes need to step back and realise the game can get too old to play' What do you mean? constantine edited by moi (constantine-self appointed MOD... 8) ) LaurenX I don't get you... but i think maybe there is a message in there somewhere constantine
edited by moi (constantine-self appointed MOD... 8) ) Chocoholic He means that Dubai is very often type cast as a place for young, single people, and that it's nice to see families here making it seema bit more normal. He's also being sarcastic. LaurenX And anyways, Const, are you even single? :shock: constantine
edited by moi (constantine-self appointed MOD... 8) ) LaurenX Don't think too much.. that could also be said to you.. If ur tired of the game then put your cards down and quit, there isn't even a game being played in my eyes.. constantine

off topic so edited by me (constantine- self appointed modarator..hahaha) Chocoholic :roll: Once again another thread goes off-topic. Back to those annoying, wailing kids! Actually I know a couple of great stories of how parents have dealt with screaming of naughty children. One mother was doing her weekly shopping with her young child, who started getting upset and crying and yanking things off shelves, the mother did everything she could to calm the little one, but without success, in the end and fed up with other shoppers rolling their eyes at the screaming child, the mother sat on the floor of the supermarket and start wailing like the child. The baby soon shut up and was starting around in amazement, wondering what was going on. LaurenX Well you know me, so surely you know that already? Thanks anyways. :? XRW-147
Its like being back in highschool maths - reading up on tangents!
So back on topic, kids will be kids and you can't just turn around and say with absolute disgression that its the parent's fault for their kids bahaviour. constantine
you know i've always tried to make out how kids turn out the way they do...some are so mature and well behaved onto themselves (laurens kid for example) and some are right ol wailers and brats...anyone know whats the approach when a kid does cry or crave for attention...i know if you indulge and give in they might want more...its an incredible responsibility to have...when you know you are instrumental in shaping someones charecter... Corcovado I think its a huge responsibility to have babies , and u should be ready and aware before u take this step .. i was in a shisha place the other night and a young new mother with 5 days old baby on her shoulder smoking shisha in his face and didnt even care :shock: :shock: its not easy to be a parent so stop judging ... Chocoholic X, I disagree. All children will have their moments, but the majority of behavioural aspects are how a child was brought up, how they were interacted with, what experiences they had etc etc. zam
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: seems like you too have been a victim of those brats! XRW-147
Chocs, as I said you can't say it with absolute disgression - terrible twos for instance. That said, I too believe the environment in which a child is brought up will ultimately shape/mould the way they live their lives - not only as a child, but as a member of society. Mint Tulip Agree! Oh gosh, this behavior is just screaming to be judged. It's actually child-endangerment, borderline criminal actions. Corcovado
i know i was so upset i even wondered why she have babies in the first place !! :? :x she was lebanese so i wanted to talk 2 her but heck its her own baby she should know better Mint Tulip It's her baby, but it's child endangerment. She most likely would have gotten offended... There are lots of parents out there that shouldn't be. Lot's of irresponsability, and it's usually the case that kids pick up bad traits from their parent's behavior (as chocoholic pointed out). ^ian^ There should be some kind of children licence. If you want to have babies, you should be made to undergo a course and then given the green light. XRW-147
Strollers need to have L plates fitted! Mint Tulip lol :D !! great ideas guys! Chocoholic As the old goes: 'In many countries you need a licence to own a dog, but any idiot can have a baby!'. Corcovado
Amen to that



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