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What has destroying crops got to do with Goldstein the Jewish terrorist and the fact you haven't condemned him?

Are you really having trouble with thread headings?


So, you believe comparing a Jewish terrorist with Muhammad, pbuh, is a valid comparison, but comparing him against Moses (who killed captive women and children according to the Bible) is a 'false analogy'. Hmm.

Cheers,
Shafique

bump for eh - I'm hoping he will find the humanity to condemn the religious terrorism of Goldstein and acknowledge him for what he was.

The silence is a bit worrying - and appears that Islamophobia is not the only failing of eh-oh, but may also extend to supporting the killing of Muslim worshippers by Israeli Army Officers in cold blood, in the name of Judaism.

There is a saying, often attributed to Pope Bonifacious VIII which states ‘Qui tacet consentiret’ (i.e. Silence gives consent).

Cheers,
Shafique

Perhaps that quote was in response to Muhammad's war crimes that receive no condemnation by Muslims?

event horizon wrote:Perhaps that quote was in response to Muhammad's war crimes that receive no condemnation by Muslims?

Perhaps it was, but in this forum it is you that is silent about the condemnation of a Jewish Terrorist.

I've even condemned the imagined crimes that you've brought up, let alone real crimes - so I guess you can't argue the Pope's words apply to moi!

Will you condemn him, or is your line still that he read the Quran?

Cheers,
Shafique

I totally condemn anyone who puts the Koran's instructions to wage warfare against unbelievers into action.

It's unfortunate that many people reading the Koran will actually believe they will become immediate martyrs if they kill and are killed whilst fighting unbelievers.

There you go again, talking about the Quran in a thread about a Jewish Terrorist that you refuse to condemn.

Have you seen anyone about this obsession?

Is it really so hard to not come out and admit that you can't condemn Goldstein as a religious terrorist? As the Pope says:
Qui tacet consentiret’ (i.e. Silence gives consent).

Cheers,
Shafique

bump for eh-oh, don't want this question to be swamped by the other posts.

Cheers,
Shafique

still waiting (patiently)

Maybe in your wait you can find those Bible passages/primary sources from the first century which corroborate your claim that the apostles were weary of Paul for preaching to Gentiles?

When asked if eh-oh condemns or condones the Jewish terrorist, we either get 'he was a tacit Muslim' or 'I condemn Muslim terrorists'.

There is a saying, often attributed to Pope Bonifacious VIII which states ‘Qui tacet consentiret’ (i.e. Silence gives consent).

It appears the Islamophobia runs deep - to the extent where the killing of Muslim worshippers by a devout Israeli Army Officer in the name of religion cannot be condemned by eh-oh. It exposes the hypocrisy of the posts which purport to be about terrorism, but now are clearly about Islamophobic views. I had no problem in condemning any terrorist act - even imagined ones attributed to early Muslims.

The contrast is clear now, I hope.

As Jesus said:

You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Matt 7:5

Cheers,
Shafique

Shafique, I have no problem posting about incidents of Christian terrorists in your own thread with the same title. Just yesterday, one Christian suicide bomber blew himself up at a UN building in Pakistan and a Christian fundie detonated himself at a funeral procession in Iraq.

As I said, your silence when it comes to condemning an Israeli religous terrorist Army Officer speaks volumes. I agree that when the 'terrorists' are ex-Hindus (and Indian) or Arab Christians you do concede that they are Christian terrorists - which makes the refusal to condemn this American Doctor turned Israeli Jewish terrorist all the more intriguing.

You could end the speculation by just condemning him - yet you seem to be happy to be lumped in with those who venerate him (they too refuse to condemn him).

Cheers,
Shafique

Another gentle reminder that we're still waiting for eh-oh's condemnation.

Cheers,
Shafique

bump (again)

Given the recent references to Christian terrorists, a bump so that we don't forget this question about a Jewish terrorist.

There are some people who venerate the actions of Baruch Goldstein - the American Doctor who emigrated to occupied Palestine (Hebron) and joined the Israeli army. As an officer in the army (a reservist), he carried out a massacre of Muslim worshippers at a holy site on a Jewish holy day of Purim - and carried it out in uniform and using Israeli army weapons.

His supporters continue to view him as a saint.


I've just asked whether eh joins me in condemning Goldstein as a religously motivated terrorist and confirm that he is not one of those who celebrate Goldstein's actions - which were based on his Biblical interpretations. Thus far we've had silence (I'm discounting the attempts at humour where eh said Goldstein was influenced by the Quran)

But let's see, perhaps now we'll get an acknowledgement he was a religiously motivated terrorist and that we should condemn him and his supporters for using the Bible to justify the killings of Muslims.

Cheers,
Shafique

bump for eh - given the flurry of posts yesterday, he may have missed this.

I wonder who has more supporters - Baruch Goldstein or Osama bin Laden???

Do you support Osama bin Laden as well as Goldstein?

I don't believe Osama bin Laden needs any more supporters - he already has hundreds of millions of fans.

So is it only Jewish Terrorists that you refuse to condemn?

Cheers,
Shafique

A reminder for eh that we await his clarification on why he refused to condemn Goldstein as a religiously motivated terrorist.

Cheers,
Shafique

I'm hopeful that eh will finally come out one of these days and tell us why he chooses to not condemn Goldstein as a religious terrorist who killed innocents because of his interpretation of the Bible.

Perhaps he'll clarify whether he is one of those who venerates Goldstein's actions in occupied Palestine (Hebron).

Cheers,
Shafique

I agree you believe he (Baruch Goldstein) was a religiously motivated terrorist.

It is unfortunate that there are those who are actually motivated by religion to wage warfare against unbelievers and believe that they will attain paradise if they kill unbelievers and die in the process. Such as Khalid bin Waleed, a companion of prophet Muhammad who was nicknamed 'the sword of Allah' by the prophet himself and who massacred thousands of POWs by beheading as a fulfillment he made to Allah if he won a battle or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was motivated by the commands in the Koran and examples in the prophetic sunnah to behead his victims - which is something he later acknowledged to justify his actions.

Thanks, I've made clear what I base my belief on - the web sites of the supporters of Baruch Goldstein and all the news reports of the time which detail that the religious American Doctor and Israeli citizen committed his actions in the name of Judaism.

I see that you continue to refuse to condemn him as a religious terrorist.

Can you perhaps just confirm whether you are one of those who venerate his actions?

Cheers,
Shafique

It's unfortunate that there are many terrorist attacks carried out in the middle east.

It is fascinating to see your continual to refuse to condemn this white Jewish terrorist who killed in the name of religion.

You even now refuse to confirm whether you are one of those who celebrate his actions.

(They also argue that it is 'unfortunate' he had to kill the muslim worshippers - as they should leave occupied Palestine).

Cheers,
Shafique

It's unfortunate that people in the Middle East have suffered so much from Middle Eastern terrorists/religious warriors.

So you continue to refuse to condemn a white American Jewish terrorist who killed in the name of the Bible.

Is it because you think only Muslims or Arabs can be terrorists, or are you just one who celebrates when Muslims are killed by people who believe in Goldstein's view of the Bible?

Cheers,
Shafique

Have no problem condemning terrorists who carry out acts of violence because of the perpetual commands to do so in their holy scriptures.