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interesting response rats. Speaks volumes.

Cheers,
Shafique

Sorry, I couldn't read your posts through three tons of ammonium nitrate and a confession to plotting terrorism with an intent to cause an explosion (presumably using those three tons of explosives).

(that, and I'm not always online).

Carry on.

freefromrats wrote:Sorry, I couldn't read your posts through three tons of ammonium nitrate and a confession to plotting terrorism with an intent to cause an explosion (presumably using those three tons of explosives).

Did you look up the word 'entrapment'?

What part of the explanation of the police informant (who incited the kids to violence) that the kid were 'harmless' confused you?

Was it the initial headlines which have been proved to be as credible as your other theories? There was no ammonium nitrate, there was not al-qaeda cell, there was just one (now) rich guy who provided the authorities with some numpties.

Never mind - as I said before, 'must try harder next time'. There are really some terrorists out there - perhaps next time you'll present their cases rather than Fox News headlines which have already proven to be more hype than substance.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique's not going to like this

A 22-year-old man who pleaded guilty in a homegrown terrorist scheme has been sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Though Saad Khalid wasn’t the leader of the so-called Toronto 18, which allegedly planned to storm Parliament, behead the prime minister, and set off bombs in front of several targets including the Toronto Stock Exchange and CSIS headquarters, Ontario Superior Court Justice Bruce Durno called the crime “vile” and said the defendant’s degree of responsibility remained “fairly high.”

“This was not a spur of the moment offence,” Durno said in delivering his judgement. “Canadian society relies on balance and not bullets.”

Khalid pleaded guilty in May to one count of participating in a terror plot. The judge granted him seven years credit for time served, which means that he may only serve seven more years depending on when he’s considered eligible for parole. The judge left that decision up to the parole board. Defence lawyer Russell Silverstein said his client was pleased with the sentence and would not appeal.

The 2006 RCMP and CSIS investigation ended in the arrests of 18 individuals in the GTA and the seizure of apparent bomb-making materials.

Seven of the 18 people arrested have since had their charges dropped, while a youth member of the group was sentenced in May to two-and-a-half years after a judge found him guilty of taking part in a terrorist organization. Because of time already served, he was released.

The others still accused have yet to stand trial.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/ ... or-charges

The judge was knowledgeable of the facts to the case and correctly sentenced a jihad terrorist to a lengthy prison sentence.

Why would I not like the facts as presented?

The guy pleaded guilty - he was a numpty. The 'leader' has been aquited and the police informer (now rich ex-informer) says the kids were harmless.

The fact the numpty wanted to kill and was stupid enough to be entrapped means he deserves to be put away.

But compare the Fox News headlines and the reality and only the die-hard islamophobes will agree with the opinions of the articles I posted above.

Cheers,
Shafique

Toronto 18 ringleader confesses to 9/11-style bomb plot

Only one man knew all the details of a deadly explosives plot designed to cripple the economy and unleash mass carnage, terror and destruction in downtown Toronto.

That was Zakaria Amara.

On Thursday, the 24-year-old Mississauga man, regarded as one of the linchpins of the so-called Toronto 18, pleaded guilty in a Brampton court.

It was Amara who built the remote-controlled detonators by hand and made numerous treks to a local library to research ways to procure ammonium nitrate.

And he mustered $4,000 in cash to pay for three tonnes of the fertilizer, earmarked for truck bombs.

Members of the Toronto 18 planned to use three U-Haul vans filled with fertilizer bombs. One parked outside the Toronto Stock Exchange would carry at least two tonnes, enough to bring down the building and three surrounding blocks. Another truck would be parked near the Front St. offices of Canada's spy agency. Glass would shatter into the streets, cars would flip and roads would be torn apart.

And the third bomb would go off at a military base somewhere along Highway 401, between Toronto and Ottawa. To maximize the destruction, Amara wanted to place metal chips inside the bombs.

Amara bragged that just one of the three bombs would be comparable with the 2003 bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which killed 35 people and wounded more than 200.

And he was emphatic that the attack, which his right-hand man dubbed the Battle of Toronto, would be bigger than the London subway bombing of 2005, which killed 56 people and injured 700.

If they got their act together, maybe they could launch their attack on Sept. 11, 2006.

"It's gonna start kicking ass," Amara told his second in command, three weeks before his June 2006 arrest during a massive police sweep that netted 14 men and four youths. "It's gonna be kicking ass like never before."

Amara's confession in the landmark case is a major coup for prosecutors at the helm of one of Canada's largest terror trials.

With his mother and wife looking on, Amara pleaded guilty to participating in the activity of a terrorist group and intending to cause an explosion that was likely to cause serious bodily harm, death or damage to property.

According to an agreed statement of facts, Amara recruited people to join the group, helped organize and lead a terrorist training camp, created a few remote-controlled detonators and purchased three tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer destined for truck bombs.

To understand the blast effects, prosecutors told Superior Court Justice Bruce Durno, the RCMP Explosives Disposal Unit conducted a test with a single tonne of the fertilizer in September 2008. A 2,230 kilogram steel shipping container about 20 metres from the bomb site tumbled 360 degrees and was extensively damaged.

Investigators began homing in on Amara in 2005 and built up an extensive case against him that included surveillance video, electronic intercepts and a surreptitious search of his home. Also key to the case was evidence from two police agents who infiltrated the group.

In December 2005, Amara helped organize a jihadi training camp in Washago, Ont., which was attended by police agent Mubin Shaikh.

Potential recruits, from Scarborough and Mississauga, played paintball games, ran obstacle courses and underwent firearms training.

Amara videotaped a co-accused delivering a speech urging attendees to wage war on the West.

By February 2006, a car probe captured Amara saying he had built the "first radio frequency remote-control detonator."

Weeks later, he was observed by police using a library computer to research ammonium nitrate, nitric acid and rocket fuel.

By the end of March, there was a rift between Amara and the other alleged ringleader, whose name is protected by a publication ban because he is awaiting trial.

Amara continued with the bomb plot. A second police agent, Shaher Elsohemy, infiltrated the group in April 2006, saying he could help Amara obtain chemicals.

After months of fine-tuning his "devices," Amara showed the agent a wired circuit board and explained it could be called from anywhere to set off an explosion.

In May, police conducted a surreptitious search of Amara's home and found two circuit boards attached to battery packs and a bomb manual, which included handwritten lists of chemicals and supplies.

On June 2, Amara paid the agent for the fertilizer and assured him two of his men awaited delivery at a Newmarket warehouse.

After his arrest, police searched Amara's home and car. Among other things, they found jihadi documents, satellite photographs of the Parliament buildings and maps of roads around Parliament Hill, and a video of roadside bombings and the execution of western soldiers.

They also found a memory stick with a message by Amara for his co-accused.

"It seems like everything is going to happen near the end of September," Amara says in the message, which was played in court. "I don't think I have anything else to say except `God willing.'"

Lawyers return to court Oct 20 to set a date for a sentencing hearing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article ... -bomb-plot

As posted before - it's a good thing that the one numpty is off the streets.

Interesting to compare the intial hype with the fact though - thanks eh.

Cheers,
Shafique

It helps to read the article, shafique.

The jihadist sentenced to prison in my last post was a different guy from the jihadist who was also sentenced to prison in the OP.

My bad - it's good that the entrapment rounded up two numpties - my previous comments stand - better off the street than causing harm to themselves and others.

The millions paid to M Sheikh seem to be yielding some results - two confessions so far.

Cheers,
Shafique

Yep - he was just some kid talking about Jihad entrapped by the police and set up by an informant.

It was Amara who built the remote-controlled detonators by hand and made numerous treks to a local library to research ways to procure ammonium nitrate.

Nothing to see, move along. Just some kids talking about peaceful interior struggle.

event horizon wrote:Yep - he was just some kid talking about Jihad entrapped by the police and set up by an informant.

Agreed. One more numpty off the streets and a now rich police informer.

As I said, they need to get some value from the millions they paid the guy to entrap these numpties.

Cheers,
Shafique

It was Amara who built the remote-controlled detonators by hand and made numerous treks to a local library to research ways to procure ammonium nitrate.

Just some kids talking of peaceful interior struggle.

Nothing to see, move along......

You see, all this discussion is indeed fruitful - you've finallly come round to my initial argument that these are just McVeigh wannabes (and not good ones at that) - who were entrapped by the now-rich informer.

I'd be livid if I were a Canadian taxpayer - but hey, that's just me.

Cheers,
Shafique

It was Amara who built the remote-controlled detonators by hand and made numerous treks to a local library to research ways to procure ammonium nitrate.

Nothing to see, move along.

Numpty follows instructions on how to build a bomb and is entrapped by high paid informer. Epic fail on numpty's part - and I agree, nothing to see but an expensive conviction of a McVeigh wannabe.

Cheers,
Shafique

What is this entrapment you are talking about? He wasn't ordering ammonium nitrate and building detonators to blow fish out of the pond, was he?

Did you not read what the police informant did before receiving his millions?

He brought guns to a weekend getaway, incited the numpties with Jihad talk etc - then pointed the finger, pocketed the millions and laughed as he was relocated in Canada.

He also worked with the authorities to set up the sting with the 'ammonium nitrate'.

It's all in the reports linked to - at least the ones that reported the facts rather than the initial hype (to be fair, the hype was generated by the Police etc).

As I said initially, numpty young Tim McVeigh wannabes were entrapped -if it weren't for the paid informer, they'll probably be causing more harm to themselves than others by posting inane posts on the internet or playing video games.

Cheers,
Shafique

My bad. I suppose I misread the article when I thought it said Amara (the dude who wasn't the informant) made the detonators by himself and scrapped up enough of his 'own' money to buy what he believed was ammonium nitrate.

It was Amara who built the remote-controlled detonators by hand and made numerous treks to a local library to research ways to procure ammonium nitrate.

And he mustered $4,000 in cash to pay for three tonnes of the fertilizer, earmarked for truck bombs.

You're totally right. Without the informant, this guy wouldn't have been able to do any of that. Of course, he also whipped the men into a frenzy by fabricating the texts and teachings of Islam where it says to wage perpetual warfare against unbelievers. Without the informant to fabricate passages from the Koran and hadith, these men would never have (incorrectly) thought that Allah and his messenger call for violent warfare against unbelievers.

Good point.

Well, we should indeed thank you for bringing this story to our attention and allowing us to compare the headlines with the facts.

As I said, the millions paid to the informer who incited and entrapped these numpties at least has resulted in two convictions so far.

And you are right - any numpty can follow easily found instructions on the web on how to make detonators etc, and you are also right that some people share your views about Islam (just like some people do believe the world is flat).

Cheers,
Shafique

Accused in Toronto 18 plot pleads guilty

Another accused in the so-called Toronto 18 bomb plot case will spend one more day in custody after pleading guilty Friday to participating in a terrorist group.

Jamal James, 26, who was charged under Canada's anti-terrorism laws, entered the guilty plea in a Brampton, Ont., courtroom.

He admitted to going to Pakistan in November 2005 to seek paramilitary training from a terrorist group with the intention of returning to Canada and sharing his training with others in the Toronto 18. He got sick while in Pakistan and never received training.

James would normally face seven years in jail, but because he has spent nearly three years and nine months in pre-trial custody and is awarded two-for-one credit for the time he has served, he will only have to serve one more day in custody. He will be on probation for three years.
'Thirsty for knowledge'

Defence lawyer Donald McCleod has described James as “a Muslim convert thirsty for knowledge." He got in with the wrong people and consequently his religious ideas came to include violent Jihad, the lawyer said.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/ ... z0ghzElCVf

Shocker - a Muslim convert becomes militarized by his adopted faith. What's next? A downtrodden suicide bomber blowing up a Shia mosque?

Another numpty who was entrapped, lock em up I say!

A piece of advice, sheikh, rather than rehash old stories - why don't you and I try and find the 5th actual Muslim convert terrorist - it's a little embarrassing to stick at 4 when I am at 242!

Cheers,
Shafique

Right, because the police persuaded the man to travel to Pakistan for the purposes of training at an Islamist terror camp. Then, when he got back, the authorities must have planted the idea to blow up Canadian targets into his mind.

Gee, maybe Muslims are just easily enticed into blowing things up, because I can't imagine joining in on a terror plot just because the authorities had a man on the inside and delivered a fake shipment of ammonium nitrate.

I guess you just attract numpties with your beliefs, oh sheikh.

Anyway, keep up the good work - I'm impressed with your reverse psychology technique to get people to understand the real teachings of Islam.

Cheers,
Shafique