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Re: Please help us! Jul 19, 2010
Arabs (including Pal-Arabs, IIRC) have higher rates of obesity than Americans.

Put the Big Mac down, sheik, and go out for a jog !

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Re: Please help us! Jul 19, 2010
Flying Dutchman wrote:According to an UNRWA 2007 report 41% of Gaza women suffer from obesitas and a third of Gaza men suffer from obesitas.

:shock: :shock: :shock:


Death Row inmates in the US have better health care than most of the American public and all of the third world.

You can be live rent free and be fed three squares for life right here in Dubai Prisons, And your point is ?

You seriously cannot be such a huge fanboi that you don't see the stupidity of your own posts ?
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Re: Please Help Us! Jul 19, 2010
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the fanbois!

They are arguing that the Pals are out-spinning the Israelis - talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

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Re: Please help us! Jul 19, 2010
desertdudeshj wrote:Death Row inmates in the US have better health care than most of the American public and all of the third world.


Which isnot fair IMO. In some (or many) Western societies there is discussion about coupling the level of health service to life style (obesitas, alcohol and smoking p.e.). According to the same UNRWA report close to half of Gaza men are smokers.

desertdudeshj wrote:You can be live rent free and be fed three squares for life right here in Dubai Prisons, And your point is ?


:roll:

:shock: :shock: :shock:

I have an acquintance who stayed in RAK prison a few months, According to her, there was no Olympic size swimming pool, no airco shopping mall and no restaurants to choose from with boeuf provencial a la chef on the menu.

desertdudeshj wrote:You seriously cannot be such a huge fanboi that you don't see the stupidity of your own posts ?


Gaza has the 6th highest growth rate in the world...
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Re: Please help us! Jul 19, 2010
Flying Dutchman wrote:Gaza has the 6th highest growth rate in the world...


:roll: Sorry for doubting your loyalty to the spin.
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Re: Please Help Us! Jul 19, 2010
^DD - I did warn you you ;)

shafique wrote:Don't underestimate the stupidity of the fanbois!
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My bad
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Re: Please Help Us! Jul 20, 2010
shafique wrote:The first comment (i.e. the latest comment) currently is
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So you chose to quote 1 poster in what 5 pages of quotes??? :lol: That smacks of insecurity man. :lol: :lol:
It's not about whose right or wrong it's about being impartial. You simply cannot force your opinion down people's throats. So you linked the article fair play, but you could make a mention of the comments whereby the overwhelming majority were indeed skeptical about the article. And then let people make up their minds for themselves!!!
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Re: Please Help Us! Jul 20, 2010
Yep - I chose which of the quotes to quote, shock horror! ;)

I take your point that I didn't point out that the comments would be largely fanbois objecting - but that is par for the course for any article on the web that contradicts what Israeli govt headquarters puts out.

In this thread, I've quoted the UN, Amnesty International, EU commissioners, linked to a documentary called gaza-strophe and also quoted the Jerusalem Post which listed the fanbois/Israeli spin and which ridiculed it.

But you are right, I apologise if it appeared that I was saying people should not be free to believe in the fanbois version of 'life in Gaza'. They are. In fact we should be especially tolerant of these minority views.

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Re: Please help us! Jul 21, 2010
Thanks FD - that's pretty impressive.

Now that the siege is in the process of being lifted, I guess we can expect many more projects like this - I mean if under a Hamas government under Israeli siege the enterprising Palestinians can complete projects like this, when the siege is over and building materials, stocks etc come in and exports go out, there'll be much more disposable income (and not to say fewer people needing food aid than the 80% who currently do).

I mean, there's no shortage of building work required - so let the reconstruction and construction boom begin!


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Re: Please help us! Jul 22, 2010
Oh dear, Bibi has been advised to stop using the argument that there is no humanitarian crisis! :shock:

The Israel Project (TIP), an American Hasbara outfit, commissioned Republican political consultant Frank Luntz to examine the effectiveness of Israel’s public diplomacy in the US on the Flotilla debacle. TIP gave the memo to the Prime Minister’s Office, where someone promptly leaked it to Chico Menashe, Channel Ten TV News diplomatic affairs correspondent.
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Luntz says Israel must immediately stop using the argument that there is no hunger and no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. He says this fatally destroys Israel’s credibility in light of the images on the television screens. Israel must admit that there is a problem, he says, to gain the listeners’ sympathy


http://coteret.com/2010/07/05/hasbarapocalypse-leaked-frank-luntz-memo-israeli-public-diplomacy-in-us-on-flotilla-failed-dismally/
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Re: Please help us! Aug 16, 2010
H/T EoZ:

Mohammed al-Amin spends his days doing little more than playing billiards and smoking cigarettes in this sprawling Palestinian refugee camp, where gunmen roam narrow alleyways dotted with tin-roofed, cement-block homes.

The 25-year-old studied dental lab technology but works at a small, grubby coffee shop in the camp, making $100 a month. He dreams of working with a respected doctor in Lebanese society and being welcomed like any other foreigner, without being looked down on.

"Sometimes I feel like a pressurized bottle that's about to explode," said al-Amin, who was born in Ein el-Hilweh years after his family fled what is now Israel. "Why should three quarters of the Palestinian people here be selling coffee on the street?"

The approximately 400,000 Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, many of them born here, are barred by law from any but the most menial professions and are denied many basic rights.

Now parliament is debating a new law that would allow Palestinians to work in any profession and own property, as well as give them social security benefits. The bill, due for a vote on Aug. 17, is the most serious effort yet by Lebanon to transform its policies toward the refugees.


Giving rights to Pal Arabs is up for debate ......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00453.html
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Re: Please Help Us! Aug 17, 2010
Epic failure again.

I suggest you look on a map and consult with FD - he started this thread to try and propagate the Israeli line that everything is nice in Gaza.

Gaza is the open prison guarded by Israel. Lebanon is the country to the north of Israel - and earlier in the thread FD tried to make the point that Palestinians in Lebanon were worse off than those in Gaza - and failed spectacularly. But good to see you have a go too - it's nice of you to share the pain. ;)

BTW - you may also want to pass on the words of wisdom from Mark Steel to the loon blogger Elder - as it clearly applies to him as well (not for quoting WP, but for his lame attempts at spin):
But bit by bit Israel is finding it has to answer for itself publicly, and the old excuses are not so easily accepted. From now on they’ll have to put a bit more thought into their bollocks, which has got to be for the good.

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Re: Please help us! Aug 17, 2010
Here's what FD said:

But by every possible indicator Gazans are better of than the Palestinians in Lebanese refugee camps


At least with regards to actually owning property and being able to get a job (among other basic rights), FD is absolutely correct that Pal-Arabs have more rights in Gaza than they do in Lebanon.

are barred by law from any but the most menial professions and are denied many basic rights.

Palestinians to work in any profession and own property, as well as give them social security benefits

To me, these laws seem pretty serious. Pal-Arabs are prevented from holding anything but the most basic jobs, enjoy the benefits of being a citizen (such as social security) or owning property.
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Re: Please Help Us! Aug 17, 2010
You are a sucker for punishment aren't you eh! ;)

80% of Gazans are dependent on food aid. That's a pretty specific measure. Please show that more than 80% of Palestinians in Lebanon are similarly dependant. (Go on, make my day - show you're not 'all mouth, no trousers')

If you look back at FD's lame attempts at the smoke and mirrors defence (Gaza is not so bad - hey look over there, Pals in Lebanon don't have jobs...), he was similarly exposed as having no depth.

What's the matter - you can't accuse Palestinians of faking the IDF photos, so decided on trying another smoke and mirrors defence of Israeli actions? You are funny.

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Re: Please help us! Aug 17, 2010
in comparison with other [branches of UNRWA] we have in Lebanon the highest number of what we call “special-hardship cases”, which is “the poor of the poor”. We have 50,000 people in this situation, 20 to 30 percent of the [Palestinian] population, who live in deplorable poverty conditions. This is the highest percentage compared to all other [areas].


As a reminder UNRWA also has an office in Gaza.


Nice swimming pool in Gaza (recently built):

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Re: Please help us! Aug 17, 2010
Yes, indeedy.

You guys must be so frustrated that even Jerusalem Post doesn't buy the Israeli Govt spin that all is well in Gaza!
dubai-politics-talk/gaza-paradise-jerusalem-post-t42064.html

If you read through the article, you'll see other canards you can try to present as 'truths'. eg
They eat ice cream, they swim, they play music. Paradise! And look at this: “Special permission was granted to Gaza footballers to train in Judea and Samaria and compete in international matches abroad.”

We even let their soccer team out to play. It took special permission, but hey, for those guys and those fans, if that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes.



The problem for you guys is that you have to overturn the reality of Gaza, as shown in the film:
http://www.gaza-strophe.com/eng/index.htm

You seem to be losing this PR battle guys - but kudos on your efforts.

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Re: Please help us! Aug 19, 2010
A new Algerian ship in sailing towards Gaza. The millions of homeless in Pakistan and sick hungry children will probably also ask "What about us"? Good thing for those children that Western countries, the US first, are donating while left alone and almost forgotten by their neighbors.
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Flying Dutchman wrote:A new Algerian ship in sailing towards Gaza. The millions of homeless in Pakistan and sick hungry children will probably also ask "What about us"? Good thing for those children that Western countries, the US first, are donating while left alone and almost forgotten by their neighbors.



Well the difference is that while the western countries flock in to help pakistan, noone of these so called caring nations really bother to shift the siege on gaza to open the way for all nations rather than Muslims to help..
Isn't there any irony in that?...I wonder why?..Maybe Gaza doesn't have as much strategic position, nuclear plants, natural resources,.. etc to deserve as much worthiness..
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Re: Please Help Us! Aug 19, 2010
I read on JihadWatch that Arab/Muslim nations hadn't stepped up to donate money for Pakistan - which would indeed be shameful.

Then I decided to do a quick fact check and Google threw up:
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... oods-qs-08

Saudi Arabia has donated a further 80 million dollars to flood-hit Pakistan boosting a national campaign collection to 400 million riyals (106.6 million dollars), local press said on Thursday.

King Abdullah has ordered the allocation of 300 million riyals “on behalf of the Saudi people,” Saudi Gazette daily reported quoting an official statement.
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The kingdom has so far sent 21 planeloads of aid to Pakistan.

Meanwhile, the Saudi ambassador to Islamabad Abdul Aziz Alghadir has said the Saudi Development Bank has allocated 20 million dollars in aid for flood victims, Saudi Gazette reported.


And

Pakistan floods: Saudi Arabia pledges $100m
Oil-rich country overtakes US as main aid donor as second wave of flooding hits new areas in southern provinces

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... ia-pledges

And the Islamic Development bank has pledged $11m.

The moral appears to be that the Arabs are worse at PR than other donor countries, but not lacking in generosity (so, yet another loon myth blown out of the water,).

So, it does appear that the Muslim nations can multi-task and send aid to Gaza and Pakistan, after all. Imagine that.

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Oh, and it only took another Google search to confirm that the UAE is also helping Pakistan:
http://thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/art ... 89831/1133

Ah, how easily loon arguments are demolished these days - almost like shooting fish in a barrel. C'mon guys, accept that Israel has lost the PR battle in Gaza and move on - don't bring the suffering of the Pakistanis in on this!

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Re: Please help us! Aug 19, 2010
Yes, surf google with a time machine:

August 19. 2010 10:33AM GMT

Thursday, 19 Aug, 2010

August 17, 2010 9:43AM

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 5906221821

Anyways, if the news that the Gulf states would donate massive amounts of aid to Pakistan was revealed two days ago, then it should have been the author from the above article to have done his fact checking, Spencer merely reported it.
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Re: Please Help Us! Aug 19, 2010
Young loon, you must learn to read more carefully (something we've noticed in other threads where you've been punked).

The moral appears to be that the Arabs are worse at PR than other donor countries, but not lacking in generosity (so, yet another loon myth blown out of the water,).


Loons like to live in the past, it seems.

C'mon just admit it - Guru Spencer has been found out yet again - will he even now acknowledge that the Saudis alone are giving more than the US and that Muslims are playing their full part in aiding Pakistan?

As for this thread about Gaza - it also shows that Muslims can indeed aid both those suffering under Israeli hands and those suffering in Pakistan.

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Re: Please help us! Aug 19, 2010
I'm utterly amazed at your stupidity right now.


Spencer's article - dated August 17 (and it was posted the same day, as well)

Your articles - dated August 19

So, unless Spencer has access to a time machine, his argument wasn't demolished at the time of his posting - because, at that time, the Saudis had not yet donated 100 million to Pakistan.

It's almost embarrassing that this needs an explanation.

I hope, for future generations, that you never figure out how to breed.
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Re: Please Help Us! Aug 20, 2010
Nice to see you defending your Guru Spencer. I'm going to devote some future threads to the material on SpencerWatch.. your comments to those will be enlightening.

Back to this thread, let us know when he acknowledges that Muslims are sending more aid than the US, and are indeed concerned for those suffering in Gaza as well as Pakistan.

As I said before -
The moral appears to be that the Arabs are worse at PR than other donor countries, but not lacking in generosity (so, yet another loon myth blown out of the water,).


You seem to be confused over the myth that has been comprehensively punked.

As for dates, the news reports from August 2nd (that's right - two weeks before Guru's post) of the aid it was sending - as well as all the subsequent reports about UAE helicopters etc helping Pakistanis (published before 17 August). Again, on 17 August, AFP etc were reporting of the $20m raised on the first day of an appeal in Saudi AS WELL as pledging the $100m:

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/b9a00700-9e4 ... b1878.aspx

Saudi raises $20.5 million in Pakistan flood aid campaign
August 17, 2010

RIYADH: Saudi Arabia has raised 20.5 million dollars in aid on the first day of a national campaign for flood-striken Pakistan, state news agency SPA said on Tuesday.

King Abdullah kicked off the campaign by donating 20 million riyals ($5.33 million), and Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz offered 10 million riyals, press reports said.

Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz, gave five million riyals to the cause, according to the reports.

The oil-rich kingdom has already sent 16 planeloads of relief supply to Pakistan, Arab News daily said, adding that it had pledged to provide 100 million dollars in aid.

The United Nations warned on Tuesday of a "second wave of death" in Pakistan while aid agencies struggled to raise money to help the 20 million people hit by the nation's worst-ever natural disaster.

Fresh rains have threatened further anguish for the millions affected by three weeks of flooding that has engulfed about one quarter of the country, including its rich agricultural heartland.
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It's a shame Guru Bob hasn't learn't how to use Google yet!

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Re: Please help us! Nov 16, 2010
Gaza photos:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/42670416/Gaza-Photos

Many pics, pic number two isnot something you will see during a news item, as so many other pics.
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