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So, let's review.

Israel lied when it said Hamas firing rockets broke the 2008 ceasefire, as explicitly addressed by CNN's review:

Ok, now let's examine the timeline.

First this is CNN looking into the issue and admitting that the facts show Israel broke the truce:
http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/07/rare-t ... ire-first/
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Pretty definitive proof - Israel lied when it said categorically that Hamas firing rockets broke the ceasefire, when in fact it did on Nov 4th 2008.


eh also bizarely says that Memri is no different from other 'news organisations' (perhaps he's thinking of the National Enquirer or 'The Onion'?) when shown evidence it has cooked up false news items by deliberately mistranslating items and selectively editing pretty much everything else. (So, another quaint belief on the part of eh).

But note that no refutation of the sins of Memri. Speaks volumes.

Cheers,
Shafique

Quoting where I only say 'news to me' and mumbling on about a point that I was not addressing or making is an interesting tactic.

News to me.

For the record, any rocket fire from the Gaza strip would have technically broken the truce. There was rocket fire from Gaza into Israel throughout the six months.

Claiming that the Israeli bombing of a Hamas tunnel leading into Israel broke the truce is another loon version of history. Simply put, after the six month truce expired, Hamas, not Israel, opted against extending it.

Who broke the truce and who lied about it being broken by Hamas rockets?

Israel.

Now, we've established the facts in reality (rather than loon-ville) - what are you complaining about now? If you disagree with the facts, write to CNN.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Who broke the truce and who lied about it being broken by Hamas rockets?

Israel.

Now, we've established the facts in reality (rather than loon-ville) - what are you complaining about now? If you disagree with the facts, write to CNN.

Cheers,
Shafique

Depends on who you ask.

But it's silly to claim that an Israeli attack broke the truce when Palestinian rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel.

What we both agree on is that Hamas was against an extension of the truce, not Israel - there is no denying that.

I agree, if you ask loons for their version of history you'll get all these fanciful fantasies.

If you check the historical record (heck even CNN did a fact check), we find that Israel lied, Hamas offered to extend the truce etc.

QED

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:I agree, if you ask loons for their version of history you'll get all these fanciful fantasies.

If you check the historical record (heck even CNN did a fact check), we find that Israel lied, Hamas offered to extend the truce etc.

QED

Cheers,
Shafique

Ok, what part in the video did the CNN reporters or the Pal-Arab politician claim that Hamas offered to renew the ceasefire?

Perhaps I missed it....

You do miss a lot of things, that's true.

Did you miss the part where CNN punked the Israelis and exposed their lies about Hamas rockets breaking the truce?

Cheers,
Shafique

eh is persisting with his line:

event horizon wrote:No denial there. What I said was 100% correct. Hamas, not Israel, called the truce off. That Hamas ended the truce well over a month after an alleged Israeli violation of the truce should show that Israel did not break off the ceasefire.

It's a bizare bit of logic - Israel breaks truce on November 4th 2008 (nothing 'alleged about that', but young eh blames Hamas for not renewing a truce that Israel had already broken?

That's some mental gymnastics eh - have you met anyone who doesn't laugh when you tell this?

But at least it is an ingenious way to get round the evidence that Israel did break the truce on Nov 8 and then lied about Hamas breaking the truce by firing rockets? I mean, with Regev admitting that Hamas did not fire rockets - it pulls the rug right out from under that particular lie doesn't it? CNN's evidence must really make you want to cry.

But I love the double-think argument that Hamas called off the already-dead truce in December! Nice one.

Cheers,
Shafique

If the truce was broken on November 4th (not 8th as you incorrectly claimed), why would Hamas need to officially end the truce on December 20th ?

I thought there was no truce to end ?

The facts are that Hamas officially decided on nixing a renewal of the truce and prompted Israel into retaliating after Israel was hit with hundreds of Hamas rockets and mortars.

eh - unfortunately for you this thread is about whether Israel lied when it said Hamas rockets broke the ceasefire and this was used as a reason to attack Gaza and kill over 1000 Palestinians.

CNN's factcheck states this explicitly, as does Barghouti:
http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/07/rare-t ... ire-first/

Israel lied about Hamas breaking the ceasefire first, when the facts were it broke the ceasefire on Nov 4.

The lie told by Israel was NOT Hamas did not renew the ceasefire in December and hence we decided to bomb Gaza - the lie was that Hamas broke the truce with rockets. It didn't. That was the lie, and they were caught out.

Here's Regev admitting to the fact:
http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/16/regev- ... ceasefire/

Cheers,
Shafique

Gaddie being in Canada maybe you should start off with canvasing Harpers govts about the blind support it gives to Israel. All your rantings are baseless when you and your own govt is part of the problem.

Living in democracy and free country you can actually achieve more than you cut and paste trolling here !

Indiansummer - try and calm down. You're on course to be banned - again.

Cheers,
Shafique

Third time's the charm

Talking about Gaza, it becomes more and more clear that more combattants were killed than civilians.

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e133.htm

Fathi Hamad, the Hamas administration's interior minister, revealed that as many as 700 Hamas military-security operatives were killed during Operation Cast Lead. The number, consistent with Israel's examination, is significantly higher than the biased numbers given in the past by Hamas and used by the Goldstone Report to defame Israel.

Also taking into consideration that according to the red cross in modern day warfare 1 combattant is killed for 10 civilians, it certainly proves the IDF is amongst the most moral armies, if not THE most moral army.