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Liban wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Pot, Kettle Black, me thinks!

You make no sense at all...

Must be some Brit thing....

It's like the pot calling the kettle black - basically means you're being hypocritical.

Linda, you obviously didn't read my post! As I said that particular news story came from Reuters, but 7 Days was the onyl paper to have pocked it up as the others are too scared to pront such things - so you're now being a critic of the big international news agencies? And the story you talked about also came from the same sources - so please get your facts straight.

Liban wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Pot, Kettle Black, me thinks!

You make no sense at all...

Must be some Brit thing....

It's like the pot calling the kettle black - basically means you're being hypocritical.

Linda, you obviously didn't read my post! As I said that particular news story came from Reuters, but 7 Days was the only paper to have picked it up as the others are too scared to pront such things - so you're now being a critic of the big international news agencies? And the story you talked about also came from the same sources - so please get your facts straight.

And just because something is cheap or free it has no credibility - oh please you're such a loser!

Plus nobody said it was wrong for muslims to object to the cartoons, I bloody object to them printing such things, but the violent methods are wrong!

For goodness sake do you ever read anything or are you just inherantly stupid!

It's inherently

So .. more insults.

Obviously, you're incapable for holding an intelligent and logical conversation. You and your sidekicks just enjoy flaming people on the forum, when you -nor they- have any valid points to think of.

Read my post again, see if you can muster the knowledge and calm to reply in an orderly manner.

You're still the frenzied wide-eyed hysterical choco we've all come to know and brush off as a minor nuisance .... ahhh the good days But there's room for improvement, don't despair

As for "no violence" .... you can't tell and dictate how people should react to an offence you do not understand to start with, according to a way YOU view as "right" .... what gives you the right?

The best you can do, is express your sorrow for the ongoings, condemn the caricatures and the misuse of freedom of speech to intentionally insult a religion, and then shut up , you have no right to tell people how to react to something like that. Unless you were a muslim of course, then you'd have a say.

Your arguement, as usual, just leaks supposed superiority when it's very obvious that you lack the knowledge and open-mindedness to engage in such discourse. If you do not understand muslim anger, you might as well ask about it.

But you didn't, you just rushed to condemn .... condemn what? the burning of embassies? Big deal.... How about the systematic destruction of Iraq since 1991?

Admit it, you just think that these people -although have a good heart- are just primitive, and barbaric, and follow a backward way of life, and someone like you, which is basically a nobody, holds all the answers to their problems, and speaks from an ivory pedestal because ....... you're anglo-saxon? No body cares honey, this is the 21st century.

You're owned now. Go take a cold shower.

7Days:

When I said cheap I meant the quality of the covering of news, the not the actual price of it ..... but as usual, you couldn't get that.

7Days follows an inciteful/provocative language in it's articles, a characteristic of tabloids, and we all know that tabloids are second if not third-rate journalism.

As for your little "they report international agencies stories!!!!!!" outcry. Yes , a lot of their stories are taken from international news agencies, BUT taken selectively. Out of the past 8 issues, about 6 feature long-bearded/terrorist/negative stories about muslims/Arabs on the front page.

Some stories like the Springs/Emirates Hills pool closing, are ok by me. But then again, these are local unimportant news.

Do you honestly think that if there were any stories that the government wouldn't approve of, that 7days, or any other newspaper would be able to print them? Do you believe this dumb delusion that the people behind 7days, all of whom all Brits, are somehow the martyrs of free journalism putting their lives on the line? Oh stop this non-sense. Your racism is very apparent. The Arab newspapers are basically cowardly, and the one managed by the brits is the honest ray of light in the midst of ignorance, right?

They voice the opinion of marginal people in the Arab society, like this corner called "Arab Eye" or something. Some guy supposedly representative of the Arabs, wrote that he was against demonstrations, and insulted a certain "Omar Khayam" and compared him to the Persian Omar Khayam which lived 1000 years ago, in a painfully irrelevant and weak analogy, does every Joan have to follow the steps of Joan of Arc?

That guy has the right to express his opinion of course, but when he is given a column called "Arab Eye" and when that newspaper is almost exclusively read by westerners in Dubai, the false delusion of that guy being representative of the "enlightened" and "westernized" i.e : GOOD! Arabs. And that someone like him is the moderate voice, where other Arabs that express a different opinion are "bad".

Examples go on and on. But one thing is true, the way they select stories, and the way they phrase their articles is highly inciteful, and second-rate journalism.

You dare to accuse me of being a one-view person? I'm open to both points of view. It's just that the way you reply, and just stick to your opinion out of personal arrogance (which would be ok if you had any logical facts to support it) when it has to do with a region/culture/religion you know nothing about is just sickening.

Lemme guess, your reply would be :"But I have a lot of Arab friends!!!"

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Can you speak Arabic? Can you read Arabic? Have you attempted to discuss/ask any of the major religious/cultural issues to any mainstream (not the pathetic western-wannabes) muslim/Arab? What do you know about Arab Culture? What do you know about Islam? What qualifies you to even say anything concerning that? Oh wait, your source about Islam/Arabs is Reuters?

Yet , not only do you engage in such threads with fervent persistence, you also call names, insult opposers, and label people?

Get a grip, realize that you know nothing, listen and learn.

Linda, I've made a lot of valid points here and I have said many times that the cartoons should not have been published and an apology should have been made. Many others have also said the same thing. Maybe you should do some reading in these threads before making false comments.

We are Westerners and we too believe in free speech. We can see that the publishing of the cartoons was very poor judgement. Why do we have to get flamed for saying that we understand both sides? Why do we have to throw ourselves down and and apologise and reject a belief from our culture that we value (free speech) just to appease some people on a forum who would think we are ignorant or racist otherwise?

Linda, you are a wanna-be Arab and wanna-be Muslim who seems to have lost all understanding/affinity for her own culture. Many times you have said that the Western media is full of propaganda, but I can tell you that you seem to be reading too much propaganda from the other side. You are free to have your own beliefs, but you lose credibility when you support people like Liban who say hateful and inflammatory things just because you feel that Muslims have a right to be angry. You might condone anger, hate and violence, but I don't.

Call me and any others of us who have been vocal about the anti-West propaganda and hate-mongering going on here by some Muslims (and wanna-be Muslims) whatever you want. We have tried to have a dialogue but the "Muslim camp" on this board only answers with things like "a typical Western response" or some religious rhetoric or propaganda.

Serious dialogue???

Huh... When one agrees with your views, its serious dialogue. When one says you are wrong because you do not understand Islam then its extremism at work...

Whatever!!

Liban wrote:Not a single Muslim EVER caricatured Jesus Christ and Moses and Abraham (peace on them)..... EVER!!!!

Hm.. And how would you know it?
For an instance I believe that a true Christian wouldn't do this as well, but how can I know it?
I think though that it is more probable to be done by a not religious person that believes
mostly in the sanctity of freedom.
A funny thing is this freedom, it should end where others' freedom
begin.. but some people just don't seem to get it.
When you smoke, shit or draw caricatured gods closed in your apartment
this is one thing - you are free to do whatever you wish. But if you
smoke or shit in public it's a totally different thing... you are
poisoning my environment and I will react to it... the same is with the press, it is public...

So if you got a response to your message that you don't like then this
is the meaning of your message.. want to get a different response try
sending a different message. It's really wrong to belive that a
message has an universal meaning that everybody should understand in
the same manner.

Andyba wrote:

Liban wrote:Not a single Muslim EVER caricatured Jesus Christ and Moses and Abraham (peace on them)..... EVER!!!!

Hm.. And how would you know it?
For an instance I believe that a true Christian wouldn't do this as well, but how can I know it?
I think though that it is more probable to be done by a not religious person that believes
mostly in the sanctity of freedom.
A funny thing is this freedom, it should end where others' freedom
begin.. but some people just don't seem to get it.
When you smoke, shit or draw caricatured gods closed in your apartment
this is one thing - you are free to do whatever you wish. But if you
smoke or shit in public it's a totally different thing... you are
poisoning my environment and I will react to it... the same is with the press, it is public...

So if you got a response to your message that you don't like then this
is the meaning of your message.. want to get a different response try
sending a different message. It's really wrong to belive that a
message has an universal meaning that everybody should understand in
the same manner.

well said admin well said....