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How many of you actully follow Islam and its five pillars.

actully pray 5 times a day
gives zakat
gives charity
Reads quran with translation and understanding it
performs fast

if not y? am just curious

discuss

i didnt mention the first and most important pillar beacuse u have to be commited to that and there are no options for that





ps

non muslims are fre to ask questions

dont shift thsi to the religios section coz apart frm a few threads that section is useless

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Jun 11, 2007
you might want to do your research on the 5 pillars before you ask that question, since you dont have all of them there.

you might get better responses if you know what you are talkin bout.
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Jun 11, 2007
Might get an ever better response if you post it in the right section.
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nuzbim wrote:you might want to do your research on the 5 pillars before you ask that question, since you dont have all of them there.

you might get better responses if you know what you are talkin bout.


lollerskates, you are right.
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Jun 12, 2007
nuzbim wrote:you might want to do your research on the 5 pillars before you ask that question, since you dont have all of them there.

you might get better responses if you know what you are talkin bout.


What made u assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about?

And I said that I haven’t mentioned all the five pillars, but if you ask:

Shahada (the most important one)
Zakat
Salat
Fast
Hajj
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Jun 12, 2007
jees ppl

90 views and 3 lame replies, speak up people find some courage .
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Jun 12, 2007
well, i like to think i try and do what i can but the temptations that lead people astray are really powerful!
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Jun 12, 2007
xibit wrote:
nuzbim wrote:you might want to do your research on the 5 pillars before you ask that question, since you dont have all of them there.

you might get better responses if you know what you are talkin bout.


What made u assumed I didn’t know what I was talking about?

And I said that I haven’t mentioned all the five pillars, but if you ask:

Shahada (the most important one)
Zakat
Salat
Fast
Hajj[

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what made me assume? how bout what you listed, how are we supposed to know what you mean thru your post. maybe learnin to spell might help as well. looks like you are fishing for info, so go hit google.
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Jun 12, 2007
xibit wrote:jees ppl

90 views and 3 lame replies, speak up people find some courage .


This is not the right place to discuss this, where Muslims actually admit to drinking and sleeping around, and still calling themselves "moderate." I'd rather do this at mosque gatherings.
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Jun 13, 2007
hmmm honestly i haven't really been praying 5 times a day lately. more like the past several months. i want to get back into that habit, but i dont know, things keep coming up each time i go to pray.

fasting i do it - no doubt about that. i actually enjoy ramadan. its the one time where people actually try to be civil with one another for reasons other than money or sex or something along those lines. it seems to bring people from all backgrounds much closer than any other religious holiday's that we, muslims, have.

zakat/charity is also something i do. but its not something i go around telling people i do. i try to give to things when i can, help out when i can. but i like doing it without a people knowing its me.

hajj, im planning on doing inshalla. i heard its amazing. ive seen how my family had changed from when they had gone. there's no words i can use to describe it. but i guess you could say they were glowing.



thats my answer. i know no one else has answered yet, and i know im not the best muslim religiously speaking but oh well, i try.
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Witnessing-Shahadah

To do this one must simply state publicly "Ashadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ashadu anna Muhammed ar-rasool Allah".

This means, "I bear witness that there is no God other than Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammed is His messanger."

It should be a genuine belief from one's heart. The witnessing of the Oneness of Allah is the rejection of any form of deity other than Allah, and the witnessing that Muhammad is His Messenger is the acceptance of him being chosen by Allah to convey His message of Islam to all humanity and to deliver it from the darkness of ignorance into the light of belief in, and knowledge of, the Creator.


Prayer-Salat

In prayer, every muscle and bone of the body joins the soul and the mind in the worship and glory of Allah(swt).

Offering of prayers is obligatory upon every Muslim who is sane, mature and in the case of women free from menstruation and confinement due to child birth. some requirements must be met in oreder for the prayer to be valid. These include but are not limited to:

Performing wudu - ritually cleaning the body clothes and ground used for prayer.
Clothing - one must be covered in the manner according to his gender.
Facing the Ka'ba (refered to as the Qibla)
Intention - merely saying in your mind that you are attempting to pray and gain the benifits from it.

Prayers are required at least five times a day. Other obligatory prayer include the Friday congregational prayer, Eid prayers and the funeral prayer. Times of the five daily obligatory prayers:

1.Fajr-Before sunrise.
2.Zuhr-After the sun begins to decline from its zenith.
3.Asr-Mid-afternoon.
4.Magrib-Just after sunset.
5.Isha-night.


In addition one is also encouraged but not required to perform prayers during the day and night. Prayer should be offered in its due time, unless there is a reasonable excuse. Delayed obligatory prayers must be made up. In addition to the prescribed prayer, a Muslim expresses gratitude to Godand appreciation of His favours and asks for His mercy all the time. Especially at times of, childbirth, marriage, going to or rising from bed, leaving and returning to his home, starting a journey or entering a city, riding or driving, before or after eating or drinking, harvesting, visiting graveyards and at time of distress and sickness.




Charity-Zakah

Obligatory charity giving is an act of worship and spiritual investment. Zakah does not only purify the property of the contributor but also purifies his heart from selfishness and greed. It also purifies the heart of the recipient from envy and jealousy, from hatred and uneasiness and it fosters instead good-will and warm wishes for the contributors. It also frees society from welfare, distrust and coruption. Zakah is paid on the net balance after paying personal expenses, family expenses, due credits, taxes, etc. Taxes paid to government do not substitute for this religious duty. The contributor should not seek pride or fame but if disclosing his name and his contribution is likely to encourage others, it is acceptable to do so.

The recipients of Zakah are:

- the poor, the needy,
- the new Muslim converts,
- the Muslim prisoners of war (to liberate them),
- Muslims in debt,
- employees appointed to collect Zakah,
- Muslims in service of research or study or propagation of Islam,
- wayfarers who are foreigners in need of help.


Note that Zakah is obligatory. Muslims can also go above and beyond what they pay as Zakah, in which case the offering is strictly voluntary (blessing will come to those who wish for his brother what he wishes for himself).




Fasting-Sawm

Fasting is abstaining completely from eating, drinking, and intimate sexual contacts from the break of dawn till sunset. It is a matchless Islamic institution which teaches man the principle of sincere love to God, creative sense of hope, devotion,patience, unselfishness, discipline, etc. Obligatory fasting is done once a year for the period of the month of Ramadan. Fasting during this time is obligatory on every muslim adult if he is mentally and physically fit and not on a journey. Women are allowed to skip a fasting day due to menstruation, and while nursing a baby.




Pilgrimage-Hajj

It is obligatory to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in a lifetime. Muslims from all walks of life, from every corner of the globe assemble in Mecca in response to the call of Allah. It is to commemorate the Divine rituals observed by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, who were the first pilgrims to the house of Allah on earth: the Ka'bah. It is also to remember the great assembly of the Day of Judgement when people will stand equal before Allah. Muslims go to Mecca to glorify Allah, not to worship a man. The visit to the tomb of Prophet Muhammad at Madena is highly recommended but not essential in making the Hajj valid and complete.




1. shahadah- yep...
2. i do pray 5 times a day but sometimes i might miss one. its tough to get up for the early morning fajr prayers but then u get used to it
3. i give out 2% of my earnings/savings/property as charity
4. i fast throughout ramadan, no exceptions...
5. have performed umrah and will go for hajj one day!


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Jun 13, 2007
gtmash wrote:
xibit wrote:jees ppl

90 views and 3 lame replies, speak up people find some courage .


This is not the right place to discuss this, where Muslims actually admit to drinking and sleeping around, and still calling themselves "moderate." I'd rather do this at mosque gatherings.


the last i knew this was a forum

you would admit in a mosque gathering in front of all the sheikhs that you drink and sleep around lolz, i dont think so
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Jun 13, 2007
dale tnx for summarizing.

Bushrah are u eligible to give zakat I mean are you working?

I gave my first zakat last year and Inshallah this year it would be 3 times more than last year.
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Jun 14, 2007
xibit wrote:dale tnx for summarizing.

Bushrah are u eligible to give zakat I mean are you working?

I gave my first zakat last year and Inshallah this year it would be 3 times more than last year.


yes, x, i do work.
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Jun 16, 2007
Bushra ,

Sweety , before taking part in Islamic discussion and discussing "Zakaat" , first change ur display picture . We are not taking about Zakaat of "Milk" .

PS" I pay 40 % tax , why shuld i pay Zakaat , Poor people shuld work hard to earn money . I was not born rich but now i have assets of 1 million US dollar :P "
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Jun 17, 2007
HP wrote:Bushra ,

Sweety , before taking part in Islamic discussion and discussing "Zakaat" , first change ur display picture . We are not taking about Zakaat of "Milk" .

PS" I pay 40 % tax , why shuld i pay Zakaat , Poor people shuld work hard to earn money . I was not born rich but now i have assets of 1 million US dollar :P "


ill do whatever i want, thanks
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HP wrote:Bushra ,

Sweety , before taking part in Islamic discussion and discussing "Zakaat" , first change ur display picture . We are not taking about Zakaat of "Milk" .

PS" I pay 40 % tax , why shuld i pay Zakaat , Poor people shuld work hard to earn money . I was not born rich but now i have assets of 1 million US dollar :P "


HP = smart and right.
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Jun 17, 2007
ofcourse u can do what u like (to urself) but dont have the right to tarnish the image of islam. effectively u r hurting so many muslims out there. .

i am not a very religious person but then i am not a hypocrate either

think!
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Jun 17, 2007
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ill do whatever i want, thanks


I dont have any objection on your activities but when you talk about certain things then you need to qualify for it.

First look at ur display picture and tell us , if showing part of bobs to Dubai forums community is allowed in Islam :roll:
OR its body zakaat?
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Jun 18, 2007
me doing what i want doesn't make me a hypocrite. i dont go and preach to others what they are supposed to do or what they should do and then do the opposite myself.

the question asked in the op was what pillars we follow. and i answered.

i never forced my opinions on anyone so if yall have such a problem with the way you practice your own religion then thats fine, but dont go and try to tell me that im a hypocrite.

oh and just because a bloody photo of mine shows some cleavage doesnt mean that i dont practice my religion. like i said, im not perfect and i dont force anything on anyone.
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bushra21 wrote:me doing what i want doesn't make me a hypocrite. i dont go and preach to others what they are supposed to do or what they should do and then do the opposite myself.

the question asked in the op was what pillars we follow. and i answered.

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Sweetheart ,
Might be i sound like Mullah who always declare "fatwa" against women. But in reality , when you display parts of your body and talking about "following Pillars" then it make me "hmm hmmm hmmmm".

Before following pillars just follow the ABC of Islam . It wouldnt be bad if u want to be my student, might be i can help u :=).

PS" whenever i do something bad i always pretend to be indian and Hindu " :lol:
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Jun 18, 2007
wow very nice.... so u see all non-muslim here... how we muslim treat each other in public...
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Jun 18, 2007
aarif wrote:wow very nice.... so u see all non-muslim here... how we muslim treat each other in public...


I can treat Bushra sweet in private but public affection is now allowed :lol:
I am just forcing her to not involve in Islam m, once , one of my Girl friend refused to meet me after peforming "Umrah" in Saudi arab.

well most of the ppl are muslims here , they r hiding themselves behind western names :

1= sage & Onion = Sheikh Abdullah
2= Concord = Haiji abdual haq
3= Chocolic = Fatima bin Anderson

4= Ian = Chudary Aslam
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Jun 18, 2007
and HP= Haji Prevez Elaahi
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Jun 18, 2007
Bushra talking abt islam and at the same time flashing ur bo obs (which is prohibited in islam) is hypocrisy. ask anyone

i think u r not getting my point. its something like saying i am against violence but i sell bombs. wtf? why are you selling those bombs then?

secondly u cant bend religion to suit yourself. either you follow the rules or u dont. if u dont follow the rules... you are not doing it right. its that simple.

what i have learnt so far is that islam chalks out a complete way of life. from what u eat to what u wear, how u talk, ur responsibilities...
family life, community life, property rights, system of government and what not

also ur timetable for the day is set... like praying 5 times a day...

so its all defined. you just need to apply it in your life...
and believe me that the tough part !!
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Jun 19, 2007
Leave Bushra alone ,she is jst a cartoon muslim .
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Jun 19, 2007
I think it is an interesting question. I'm not Muslim but I have lived with Muslims the past 5 years and it used to really annoy me that they wouldn't follow Islam but still called themselves Muslim but then I realized that this is the case with people of all religions and I myself am guilty of it at times also.
I don't know why everyone is attacking Bushra, she is the only person who has honestly answered the question. I guess it's easier for you guys to attack her then take a look at yourselves.
Theres a story in the bible that I always remind myself of... it's about a women that commited adultry, the crowd were about to stone her to death when Jesus said "he who is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her" (John 8:7)
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Jun 19, 2007
dale wrote:Bushra talking abt islam and at the same time flashing ur bo obs (which is prohibited in islam) is hypocrisy. ask anyone

i think u r not getting my point. its something like saying i am against violence but i sell bombs. wtf? why are you selling those bombs then?

secondly u cant bend religion to suit yourself. either you follow the rules or u dont. if u dont follow the rules... you are not doing it right. its that simple.

what i have learnt so far is that islam chalks out a complete way of life. from what u eat to what u wear, how u talk, ur responsibilities...
family life, community life, property rights, system of government and what not

also ur timetable for the day is set... like praying 5 times a day...

so its all defined. you just need to apply it in your life...
and believe me that the tough part !!


hence me saying that i admit i am not the best muslim and why i do not give advice when it comes to religion and why i refuse to be involved with families who come to me to chat with their daughters. but when someone asks me what i follow or believe i feel that i have every right to say it and should not be called a hypocrite for that...
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Jun 19, 2007
HP wrote:Leave Bushra alone ,she is jst a cartoon muslim .



oh hp if you really are muslim then i would just like to let you know that you saying that is against the religion...


judging other muslims and calling them 'fakes' is not allowed in islam since it is only God who can judge.


but im assuming you already knew that didnt you.

i know my religion and what i can and cannot do....just leave me alone and work on fixing yourselves first.
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