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Jul 13, 2006
everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it... but when 1 israeli freaking soldier is kidnapped ...!!! the world goes crazy!!! why?? who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason? its about time that we stand for our honor and defend our country ... NICK STOP being selfish and look at the bigger picture .... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....

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Who said that the whole world is upset over a few Israeli soldiers being kidnapped? Also, Nick isn't being selfish, he is entitled to his opinion, even if it is different than yours. Corcovado, I know you are upset and likely lashing out because of frustration at this time.
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Corcovado wrote:everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it... but when 1 israeli freaking soldier is kidnapped ...!!! the world goes crazy!!! why?? who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason? its about time that we stand for our honor and defend our country ... NICK STOP being selfish and look at the bigger picture .... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....



Defend our country? The Lebanese are supposed to stand alone against Israel while all other countries are sitting with a thumb up their a$$es?

There is NO national unity in Lebanon. The politics in the country are a complete joke. The Hezbollah just took the decision to attack Israel ON THEIR OWN (or at Syria/Iran's orders of course) and WE have to pay for their decision. Ask your family if they're enjoying what they're going through in Lebanon now. Defend our country? HOW? We're just going to lose everything we did in the last few years. Think any of our Arab "brothers" will help us after this??? It's time to live in the real world.

ISRAEL IS GOING NOWHERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO VANISH INTO THIN AIR. Let's wait for what's going to happen in the next hours. They can take Beirut in a matter of hours. That's be real fun for everyone. Let's just hope that the idea of "fighting" Israel will get food on the table for everyone and ensure their safety.
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Oh one more thing because that thing about "fighting" Israel just cracked me up. Who's going to fight IF we stand long enough to even have a chance to do so?

Army? No comment :lol:

Civilians? The days of the civil war are over. There's no unity in the country and as soon as they get weapons they'll fight each other instead of uniting against Israel.

So what the hell are you talking about Corc?
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Not following any religion per se, I do feel that living in London, we are being slowly conditioned through the media to the plight of the Israeli cause, which I think is unfair as we here don't really get to hear the side of the Muslim argument, except as the dead donkey article..

Unfortunately as Mr Blair has chosen to lie with Mr Bush, I dont see this changing any time soon.

I am watching the news at the moment and the gearing is very heavily sided to the Israeli cause. I cannot really take sides but I think the level of jewish representation is overblown (I have to whisper-type as I work in a very Jewish area)

Unfortunately the majority of main stram newspapers and news agencies are owned by a person who, I am told, has Jewish sympathies and once you control what people read............

It doesn't really help your frustrations I know but there are some of us in the Uk who have not been brainwashed yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I should have added, there was an almost united front in 2002 when the Saudis proposed a peace agreement. It wasn't anything that hadn't been said already but it was significant that it came from Saudi and was supported by all (or most) Arab nations.

Of course, Hamas scuppered that one - Israel may not have accepted it anyway but Hamas made sure of it with the Netanya bombing. I can understand why some people claim that Hamas and Hezbollah are actually Israeli organisations.

I know I've gone off-topic a bit since this was about Israel and Hezbollah but I'm making a general point that the resistance/terrorist groups do not represent the rest of the Arab world, since both call for the destruction of Israel.
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Corcovado wrote: who decides that israelis are better human beings ?? who said that arabs deserve to be killed for no reason?

Some Israelis do.

Much like Hamas and Hezbollah decide that Israelis are less than human and deserve to be destroyed.

Arab nations tolerate Hamas/Hezbollah actions. Western nations tolerate Israeli actions. The Palestinians and now the Lebanese (again :( ) are caught between the two sides. The Palestinians by choice - they voted for Hamas. The Lebanese by tolerating Hezbollah presence.

Western nations will maintain that Israel has a right to exist. That won't change no matter how many Arab civilians are killed by Israel. So the conflict will continue until the West agrees that Israel should be destroyed (ha ha) or Hamas/Hezbollah agree that Israel has a right to exist (also ha ha).

So Israel will retaliate when their soldiers are killed or taken from what they consider to be Israeli territory, and the West will condemn their bombing of Beirut airport but tolerate it.
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More good posts guys. 8)
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sorry to sound a thickie

did Hamas replace the PLO ??
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I hope someone will smack upside the head both Nasrallah and Olhmert, before this gets blown up into something REALLY big.
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Corcovado wrote:everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....

Good thing you're not exaggerating a little.
If you want to talk about the world doing nothing, 2 days ago 200 people were killed in India and that is already off the news.
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murphy wrote:Not following any religion per se, I do feel that living in London, we are being slowly conditioned through the media to the plight of the Israeli cause, which I think is unfair as we here don't really get to hear the side of the Muslim argument, except as the dead donkey article..

Unfortunately as Mr Blair has chosen to lie with Mr Bush, I dont see this changing any time soon.

I am watching the news at the moment and the gearing is very heavily sided to the Israeli cause. I cannot really take sides but I think the level of jewish representation is overblown (I have to whisper-type as I work in a very Jewish area)

Unfortunately the majority of main stram newspapers and news agencies are owned by a person who, I am told, has Jewish sympathies and once you control what people read............

It doesn't really help your frustrations I know but there are some of us in the Uk who have not been brainwashed yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:brave:




Understandable. Every media is doing everything in their power to make it look as if every single Lebanese is supporting Hezbollah.
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Corcovado wrote:everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....

Good thing you're not exaggerating a little.
If you want to talk about the world doing nothing, 2 days ago 200 people were killed in India and that is already off the news.


Yeah, there are not hundreds and thousands of Palestinians killed every day by Israelis. It is really sad that the current story has pushed the Mumbai tragedy out of the news. Very sad that so many were killed. :cry:
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did anybody else see that France have issued Israel with an ultimatum over its' attacks?


Unf. the big fat U.S of A have stuck their oar in and countered it already -
what 'cha gonna do?

Mind you, knowing a little about France' military history I don't know whether it is merely an empty threat......... (apologies to any Gallic readers)
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murphy wrote:did anybody else see that France have issued Israel with an ultimatum over its' attacks?


Unf. the big fat U.S of A have stuck their oar in and countered it already -
what 'cha gonna do?

Mind you, knowing a little about France' military history I don't know whether it is merely an empty threat......... (apologies to any Gallic readers)


where'd u see that? I know Russia and France condemned the attacks but didnt' read anything about any ultimatum
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Corcovado wrote:everyday hundered and thousands of palestinians are being killed by Israel and the world stands still doing nothing about it. .....


kanelli wrote:Yeah, there are not hundreds and thousands of Palestinians killed every day by Israelis.

Not quite. I'm trying to find some numbers but I think it's something like a couple of thousand since the Intifada started.

arniegang wrote:did Hamas replace the PLO ??

Yes if you're talking about the PNA/PLC. They replaced Fatah (part of the PLO) as the majority party in elections January 2006. Mahmood Abbas is still PNA president though.
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Isreal could do what it wants, because Arabs are weak, greedy, lazy bums who can't even stand up to punch of Zoinist mutherF***ckers. Where is Saud Arabia, Emirates, Kuwaite, Baharian, Jordan, Egypt, in condemming this aggression by the Zoinist. Is it only up to Syria and none Arab Iranian to defend whatever dignity Arabs had left. Arabs don't even have the balls to shut the Oil to the west...to protest against this naked aggression against soveriegn nation. Wallahi this not only sicking, but also cowards by Arabs especially in gulf.
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sharewadi wrote:Not quite. I'm trying to find some numbers but I think it's something like a couple of thousand since the Intifada started.

Here's a couple of statistics

Middle East Policy Council
From Sept. 29, 2000 to July 12, 2006:
Israeli Dead: 1013
Palestinian Dead: 4058

Palestine Red Crescent Society says 4,053 Palestinian deaths for about the same period.

Works out to about 2 a day. More or less depending on whether you include Israelis.

And I've just seen that the MEPC gets its figures from the PRCS so they're not exactly independent sources :oops: .
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murphy wrote:did anybody else see that France have issued Israel with an ultimatum over its' attacks?


Unf. the big fat U.S of A have stuck their oar in and countered it already -
what 'cha gonna do?

Mind you, knowing a little about France' military history I don't know whether it is merely an empty threat......... (apologies to any Gallic readers)


where'd u see that? I know Russia and France condemned the attacks but didnt' read anything about any ultimatum



I was watching one of the news channels on satellite TV - they did not really elaborate though.


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Just wanted to make a post away from the arguments and wanted to say lets keep those in Palestine, Lebanon, and Mumbai in your prayers (to whatever god it is you pray to ;) )
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Corcovado wrote: .... ARABS ALL OVER THE WORLD WAKE UP .....


yeah right
like that gonna happen
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DaveDXB wrote:dont worry...just sing with me....

"Awimbawa awimbawa awimbawa....in the jungle..the mighty jungle...the lion sleeeeeps tonight......aweeeeeeeeeee wi wi wi wi wombambawaaaaay....

near the village....the peaceful village....the lion sleeeeps toniight.....
aweeeeeeeeeee wi wi wi wombambawaaaaaayyyyy"

:flower:


My dear, I think you've been out in the sun too long.

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Lionheart wrote:Isreal could do what it wants, because Arabs are weak, greedy, lazy bums who can't even stand up to punch of Zoinist mutherF***ckers. Where is Saud Arabia, Emirates, Kuwaite, Baharian, Jordan, Egypt, in condemming this aggression by the Zoinist. Is it only up to Syria and none Arab Iranian to defend whatever dignity Arabs had left. Arabs don't even have the balls to shut the Oil to the west...to protest against this naked aggression against soveriegn nation. Wallahi this not only sicking, but also cowards by Arabs especially in gulf.


i second that,

please dont blame the arab people but blame the frukin leaders, i am sure that if a war starts (and it will sooner or later) it will be the the general common muslim who will be on the front lines.
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xibit wrote:[

please dont blame the arab people but blame the frukin leaders, i am sure that if a war starts (and it will sooner or later) it will be the the general common muslim who will be on the front lines.


this logic is messed up, its the people who are putting up with those leaders and they wouldnt be in power if it wasnt for the people accepting the status quo, so stop blaming the leaders.

This blame cycle has been a disease in the Middle East, where the people always blame there leaders, and the leaders are blaming israel for all the messed up shiat that happening in here.
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arniegang wrote:sorry to sound a thickie

did Hamas replace the PLO ??


Q: what is the PLO?????
A: nothin!!!!!!!
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MS wrote:
arniegang wrote:sorry to sound a thickie

did Hamas replace the PLO ??


Q: what is the PLO?????
A: nothin!!!!!!!


MS i think arnie meant Fatah not PLO.

Arnie if thats what you meant, yes Hamas won the elections with a sweeping majority after the Palestinians were fed up by the corrupt, lazy, uneffective leadership of Fatah.
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great answer MaaaD.
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I hope no one is offended by this, but this conflict reminds me of the scene at the end of "The Rock" where General Hummel (Ed Harris) pulls his gun on one of his mercenary soldiers who turned against him, after which the other three soldiers in the room all pull their guns on each other. The situation didn't turn out well for anybody.
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SGMD1 wrote:I hope no one is offended by this, but this conflict reminds me of the scene at the end of "The Rock" where General Hummel (Ed Harris) pulls his gun on one of his mercenary soldiers who turned against him, after which the other three soldiers in the room all pull their guns on each other. The situation didn't turn out well for anybody.


you must be following the situation on FOX buddy.
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