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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
thank you for replying...it gives me hope. =)

regarding the application of visa for my replacement, he told me that they had problems with the Labor because of the WPS but he has resolved it. But until now, he is not doing anything to proceed with the visa of my replcament which will likely get stuck in Kish for the rest of her life.

Another thing, he did not sign my resignation letter. I asked him to sign it the moment I filed it and the moment he said that he agrees with my resignation.

Thank you very much for the time. =)

-- Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:08 pm --

By the way, my passport is with him. He does not trust anyone in the office to keep their own passports. I wasn't even able to go to my appointment for my Emirates ID because the original passport is required.

-- Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:09 pm --

By the way, my passport is with him. He does not trust anyone in the office to keep their own passports. I wasn't even able to go to my appointment for my Emirates ID because the original passport is required.

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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
Before doing anything, send an email to your employer, reconfirmingy your resignation (date when first notified) mention the "options" he gave you, indicate that no replacement appears to be in place, that you have served your one month notice (if that is the case) and ask what the current status is as you would like to leave.

Hopefully you will get a response back. This will acknowledge he received something in writing for you and you can take it with you to the MOL, if need be. Even if you don't get a response, take the email with you when, and if you have to go to the MOL. Do you have a "received" or "open" function when you send emails? If so, you can print it indicating that he did receive/read it, in he event you don't get a response from him.

Keep in mind: his "yelling" at you it is to intimidate you and put fear in you. Don't show any fear or that he is intimidating you. Stand you ground. They think they won't get bitten if they bark.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
Will do. Thanks a lot! It's nice to know that there are still people who do not hesitate to help. I am just new here in Dubai that's why I am persistent in asking questions since the people around me in the office doesn't care (even if my bag got stolen already inside the office).

I will take your advice into action. I will just give my boss and the PRO until Thursday to process the visa of my replacement. If they still do not do anything about it, then I will send him the email.

Thank you very much!
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
Personally, I would not wait and I would get the email out tomorrow. It will give them time to respond or not, and then you can take that to the MOL saying that you didn't get a response after [X] days. Also send the email to the PRO. You need to arm yourself!!! If you wait, it's only going to add more time to your stay.

You being new to Dubai explains alot. :) There is going to be a big learning curve over time for you, so expect the unexpected. I don't know what country you come from, but Dubai is, to say the least, "unique".
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
Ok. Will send the email to my boss tomorrow. =)

I came from a country wherein there are also a lot of difficult people to deal with especially employers. BUT, my current employer is far worse than them. This is the first time I have met this kind of people. I didn't know that people can be capable of doing such things to others. So much for my first hunch here in Dubai. =)

There are times when I think of just going back to the Phils, but then I have a mother and a sister who depend on me.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 27, 2011
I'm sure that in the Phils employment laws are in place as well as a employee/employer code of conduct. As I said, Dubai is "unique". There is a huge Filipino community here, but be careful who you connect with. Try to broaden your friendships with other nationalities, something you may be able to do at your next job. I will give you a bit of advice: locals are hard to work for as you found out, but on the other hand they can be very charming. Too many women from your country fall for the charms and all the goodies they get and end up being kept women, a secret wife, or return home to take care of a "medical" situation after being taken advantage of.

Hang in there, Dubai has its good and its bad - in every way possible. You just have to make the best of what it is. Do what you came to do, set a time for yourself to exit and stick to it. If things are going good, then there is no reason why you can't revise your time of exit.

-- Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:33 pm --

I'm sure that in the Phils employment laws are in place as well as a employee/employer code of conduct. As I said, Dubai is "unique". There is a huge Filipino community here, but be careful who you connect with. Try to broaden your friendships with other nationalities, something you may be able to do at your next job. I will give you a bit of advice: locals are hard to work for as you found out, but on the other hand they can be very charming. Too many women from your country fall for the charms and all the goodies they get and end up being kept women, a secret wife, or return home to take care of a "medical" situation after being taken advantage of.

Hang in there, Dubai has its good and its bad - in every way possible. You just have to make the best of what it is. Do what you came to do, set a time for yourself to exit and stick to it. If things are going good, then there is no reason why you can't revise your time of exit.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Thank you very much! I felt somewhat eased by your advice.
Yeah, I have to be extra careful here in Dubai. I have learned that also during my stay here in this company. There was even a time when one of my boss' friend called me and asked me to go to a hotel in Dubai Marina. I said NO. I really felt insulted. Since then, he kept on calling and calling and calling but I never answered any of his calls. He even used one Filipina to call me and tell me that he's having a party and that I am being invited by him.
These things are really shameful for me to reveal. But this should serve as a warning to everyone to not trust and be too friendly to people even if you belong to the same nationality.
I will quote what the Filipina said to me: "A lot are saying yes to this kind of offer especially now that life is hard to bear. They say yes because they know they can get a good life and would be able to provide for their families back home."
This should serve as a warning that some people, regardless of nationality can do such low things to other people just for money. It is not right, but we have a lot of these kind of people here.
In Dubai, it's every man for himself. A lesson I learned in a very hard way.

I will send the email today to my boss. Wish me luck!
Thank you!
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Be true to yourself bamba!!!! You appear to be a bright and intelligent young lady. Go with your instincts: if it doesn't feel or sound right to you, then most likely is isn't. You will find that you will have to keep your guard up more than you would at home.

Keep us posted!!! and Good luck to you.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Very true. I will never accept such invites from such people. My mother raised and taught me to be more than what they think of Filipinas here in Dubai. =)

Sent the email already. Let's now wait for his answer-if he will reply back. Thank you very much!
Will keep you posted. =)
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
bamba wrote:My mother raised and taught me to be more than what they think of Filipinas here in Dubai. =)


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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Here's an update: :)

My boss just spoke to me. He said he read my email this morning. He told me that he will start the cancellation of my papers so I can leave this office as soon as I get cancelled and he will start the visa process for my replacement. He said as soon as I get cancelled, I can leave immediately even if my replacement is still not here.

Hmmm.... I wonder what changed the atmosphere...I was expecting that he will not do my cancellation this easy. Somehow it bothers me when he is nice-like this. He might have something else in mind. But I hope and pray that this will go smoothly. I have had enough problems already.

Thank you so much for all your help! =)
Will still keep you posted. God is good. =)
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Send him an email, thanking him for his cooperation and reconfirm in the email what he said. Also ask him how long does he think that the cancellation will take so that you can advise your new employer as to when he can expect you to start your new job. You always have to try to keep one step ahead!!!!

Sometimes going through "written" communication is a hassle, but you never know when you will need it in the future. It can come in handy if you need back up if a situation becomes sticky. I told a friend of mine who has a very high position to do that whenever she was given assignments by higher ups, or gave assignments to her staff, or to reconfirm certain discussions. These emails serve a purpose to reconfirm what took place. A verbal argument of he said/she said holds no weight. Proof does.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
Thank you. I will send him an email again. That is really necessary for me, given the type of boss that I have now. I just hope everything will turn our fine and that this is not just one of his bluffs.

Will keep you updated! Thank you very much, you have been a great help.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
If he is bluffing and you do have to go to the MOL, you will have some proof in hand. Remember to print these emails out immediately and take them home with you!!!

You the email exchange all the time. Doesn't mean a nice boss or co-worker can't turn on you!!!!

My pleasure to help you out.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
emarat wrote:I've been banned from entering the UAE permanently. Ban was issued by CID on suspicion of espionage. :roll:
I heard that if my employer takes responsibility of all my acitivies (as guarantor), with lawyer assistance it can be forced to take permit entering the UAE again.
Can anybody tell me what my chances are? :roll:
Thanks in advance.


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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
@borabora:

sent the email and printed it already. I printed the exact yahoomail page where my sent items can be seen and printed another page that contains my letter, with the date and the time when I sent the email to him. He does not reply to my emails, so I printed it. =)

Hopefully, in God's guidance, everything will turn out fine.

Thank you so much! :)
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Feb 28, 2011
emarat wrote:
emarat wrote:I've been banned from entering the UAE permanently. Ban was issued by CID on suspicion of espionage. :roll:
I heard that if my employer takes responsibility of all my acitivies (as guarantor), with lawyer assistance it can be forced to take permit entering the UAE again.
Can anybody tell me what my chances are? :roll:
Thanks in advance.


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Suspicion of espionage??? I think you have as much chance as a snowball in hEll getting that reversed!!!
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 02, 2011
Hi there! Here's an update:

I signed the cancellation paper yesterday already, which is good.
Now I am worried because my boss is the one who is processing it in the MOL and immigration department. I'm just bothered that he might do or say something to jeopardize me and my career. I can't help but be paranoid about it since I know my boss very well and of what he's capable to do. :(

I'm just hoping for the best now. And I pray that everything will go fine...

Thank you very much! :)I
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 02, 2011
I would think someone like him has been hauled into the MOL, or his PRO, or contacted by MOL in the past because of other employee complaints against him. As long as you did everything the way it should have been done, you don't have anything to worry about, even if he tries to pull a fast one.

Keep us posted. :)
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
Hi! Updates....

Last week, I signed my cancellation paper already. He cancelled me from the Labor Department also, but I'm not sure if he's been to the Immigration department to cancel me. We have mutually agreed that I will stay until this coming Thursday... They are having problems regarding their documents for processing the visa of my replacement, which by the way is still in Kish for almost 2 weeks already at her own expense.

He talked to me this morning and asked me to stay for another week because there is still pending work in his office and nobody can do it except me. I refused to accept it and he said that he will go to the labor department and tell them things. I told him that what we agreed was just for me to wait for a replacement to get hired, which we did 3 weeks ago, and whatever problems they have with the replacement now is not my problem anymore. He is such a liar! He told me as soon as I get cancelled, I can leave the office with or without replacement. Now he's telling me I cannot go and if I go, he will tell things to the Labor Department.

I told him that he is giving me no choice and I have to go to the Labor also to seek for help.
His words were just "ok, let's see until Thursday what we can do".
I am close to getting desperate here already. :(
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
Have your papers been processed by the Labour Department? If they have then it would be illegal for you to continue working. He has 30 days from date of cancellation of your labour card to cancell your residency.

With regards to him telling you that he was "going to tell the labour department things about you"; if your papers have been processed by the Labour Department then your business (as well as his) is finished with them - so why would it have any further bearing on you and your position with the company.

I would suggest that you call the labour department. Tell them that you have resigned and that your boss is intimidating you and ask what their suggestions are to deal with this. They may well just get someone to call and speak with him - this will probably scare the sh.t out of him...
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
THANK YOU VERY MUCH DXBSOUL!

According to him, my papers have been processed by the Labour Department already. I double checked it through the internet yesterday and it showed that my Labor Card has been cancelled already. I told him that it was clear on my resignation letter that my last day of work was on the 28th of February but since he asked for 2 more weeks to wait for my replacement, I agreed to that. Now he is telling me that he did not sign my resignation letter. ;<

I plan to go to the Ministry of Labor before Thursday if he will not make it clear that he will let mo go.
Thank you very much!
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
The fact that he cancelled your labour card and that you have signed your cancellation paper is already proof that he accepted your resignation. End of storey :)
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
Yes, that's what I also thought. I will see what happens today. I will finalize everything with him...and if he still doesn't want to let me go, then I will go to the Labor tomorrow morning. I am really really tired of his attitude and his office. I feel poor for everyone who works with him. Thank you!

-- Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:36 pm --

I have spoken with him already....

He is refusing to hand-over my passport and cancellation documents. He said he will give it to me once I am in the airport already. He said that it is legal to do that. He said that even though I am cancelled, I am still under him and he is still responsible for me because he is the one who signed my cancellation papers. I am really losing it!
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 08, 2011
Go to the MOL. They have the last word, not him. If the opportunity presents itself tell him that your passport is in reality the property of your government, entrusted to you, and that if necessary you will go to your embassy and tell them that he has taken it and refuses to give it to you.

As for your replacement, when he offered her the job she was probably on a visit visa and I read somewhere that you have to be out of Dubai for 30 days in order to get a work visa. She still has 2 more weeks to go the poor thing, but that's neither here nor there as far you are concerned. You want to leave, you need to sort it out with the MOL, and move on to your new job. He is going to continue to delay your leaving until the replacement comes, then he's going to want you to say to do a "hand over", and by that time you won't have a job to go to.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 09, 2011
Want your passport back.. Quick and easy.

Ask him to hand it over, when he says no, take you phone and in front of him dial 999 and tell them you wish to report your passport lost/ stolen :D
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 09, 2011
I informed him yesterday that I will not be in the office today because I will go to the Labor Department to file a complaint. He called me in the evening and told me to call the PRO to get my documents. After that, the PRO called me and told me that he will give my passport and documents today in the office.

I think he got a bit scared about me going to the Labor office, which I really intended to do today. Worst comes to worst, and my passport and documents will not be given to me today...I will call 999 and file a complaint against then in the Labor office.

Thank you very much for all the help. :)

-- Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:19 am --

hi...it's me again...

I was able to get out of my previous company but my previous boss is refusing to give my passport and cancellation papers...whe I asked for the passport and papers, he said he handed it over to the PRO..so I called the PRO. the PRO said that he will be the one to give my new company all docs and passport, but after 1 week, he did not show his face in my new company. my previous boss called my new boss and told him things about me-bad things. good thing my new boss does not believe any of those things he said.

he still refused to give my passport and cancellation papers to my new boss although my new boss told him that he will allow me to go to my old company's office to finifsh the work for my old boss, given that my old boss has to give my passport and cancellation so that my new boss could start applying for my visa under his company because we were told that i can only stay in dubai up to 28 after my cancellation.

my old boss still doesn't want to give my passport and canccellation. I have inquired about going to the Labour office but they said that I should go to the police since I am cancelled already.

Yesterday, I went to the police station to file a complaint. They called my old boss to hand over everything to me...but still he refused and told them that he will only give my passport and cancellation papers when I am in the airport already.

Now I do not know what to do...that's the police already...still they cannot do anyhting to help.
I am just disappointd and so stressed now...I don;t even have the money to buy a ticket for myself... :(
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 22, 2011
Hi Bamba

Just joined the forum and sorry to read your tale.

Did your ex-employer fly you in? If so, then I believe he has an obligation to fly you back home again - so he should buy you your ticket and return your passport.

Otherwise perhaps your embassy could help you - have you spoken to anyone there?

I would be tempted to write to the newspaper and name and shame an employer like that. I'm sure many people would like to know who he is so he can be given a wide berth!

It is unfortunate that the police have not been more helpful - maybe you will get someone more helpful if you go again?

-- Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:14 pm --

Just to add I am a bit surprised that the police did not mention that it is illegal to confiscate a passport.

I know that this law is flouted by everyone but really, the police could have at least mentioned it even if just to show that they know about it.
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 22, 2011
Hi Staryy...thanks for the reply.

My previous boss did not fly me in Dubai. I came here on visit visa, and like any other person who's visa is expiring, I had no choice but to take his offer...

I haven't spoken to anyone from our embassy, since I know how they deal with cases like this already. :(
I would really like the whole UAE to know about him but I choose to keep quiet about it and just move on and finish my problem with him, since he has all the power to do twisted things to anyone he likes.

At first, the police asked me why my previous employer doesn't want to give my passport...I told them that it;s because he still wants me to work in his office and finish all the work for him (since he doesn't know what to do with his own business). The police clearly told me that it would be illegal for him to let me do that and to keep my passport...

Then they asked the next question, which I think was the reason why they couldn't help me... They asked the nationality of my previous employer. When I answered them, they all went crazy and laughing...it seemed that my previous employer and the police men are of the same nationality...

So I lost my trust and respect for the police here now... I used to believe that they will always impose the proper law here in Dubai..but it seems that my previous employer can go above and beyond any rule here in the UAE just because he is a local himself...(but not a dubai-local)

Now my new boss had spoken with him again, and he instructed me to just go to my previous company and teach the new lady there the work, which I already did before she went to Kish to exit. I am left with no choice but to give in to the injustices that is happening to me. It is unfair, but now I have learned that this is Dubai..nothing in fair, nothing is free. :(
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Re: The Ultimate BAN Guide Mar 23, 2011
Hey Bamba,

Sorry to hear that your saga continues. Have you gone to Immigration? the Ministry of Labour? They will tell you what he can and can't do. I don't think he can demand that you return to your country at your own expense if he did not pay for you to come to Dubai. If he wants you to leave, I believe it would have to be at his expense. Then your new employer would have to pay for you to return to Dubai.

Just because he has influence with the police it doesn't mean that he can influence Immigration and the MOL. You are assuming that your embassy won't do anything, but it wouldn't hurt for you to report it to them as they may act on your complaint.

Once again, good luck to you.
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