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It is ironic!!! see I born muslim and I can not convert or be atheist, cause the penalty would be death! and they can arrest me of drinking cause I am muslim!

melika969 wrote:It is ironic!!! see I born muslim and I can not convert or be atheist, cause the penalty would be death! and they can arrest me of drinking cause I am muslim!

I there a restriction on moving to a free country

XPT wrote:

melika969 wrote:It is ironic!!! see I born muslim and I can not convert or be atheist, cause the penalty would be death! and they can arrest me of drinking cause I am muslim!

I there a restriction on moving to a free country

Hehe, no the problem is the free country won't let me in! as we might be terrorists etc etc...

sage & onion wrote:Say whatever you want however the guy who has been caught unfortunately broke so many laws.

1) He is most certainly Muslim, so it is against Shariah law to consume Alcohol.

2) He is not allowed to share accomodation.

3) He is not allowed to share accomodation with a female.

These laws are all well known and documented, so why the fuss?

Oh..C’mon Sage…you’re not serious, are you??

The guy was sitting at home not bothering anyone, and discretely drinking booze that he probably bought openly at the hole in the wall in Ajman.

He gets the humiliating, cruel punishment of 80 lashes just because he happens to be a Moslem.

What about all the other Moslems in Ajman (including the locals) who drink in plain view at the nearby Kempinski Hotel bars?? Aren’t they also Moslems violating the alcohol consumption law as well??

Is that your interpretation of equal justice under the law??

Even in the ultra conservative KSA, they don’t prosecute people who drink at home.

It’s OK to fine the guy for the not-so- serious offence of sharing accommodation with others, but for alcohol consumption!!??. C’moon!!! And not just 80 lashes, but also he loses his job that he probably depends on to support his family back home, gets fined and then gets deported??

Unless there is more to this story than we know, I see this as an overkill, and a totally warranted sentence!!

melika969 wrote:

XPT wrote:

melika969 wrote:It is ironic!!! see I born muslim and I can not convert or be atheist, cause the penalty would be death! and they can arrest me of drinking cause I am muslim!

I there a restriction on moving to a free country

Hehe, no the problem is the free country won't let me in! as we might be terrorists etc etc...

Tell them you'll be spy

Tom Jones wrote:8)

sage & onion wrote:Say whatever you want however the guy who has been caught unfortunately broke so many laws.

1) He is most certainly Muslim, so it is against Shariah law to consume Alcohol.

2) He is not allowed to share accomodation.

3) He is not allowed to share accomodation with a female.

These laws are all well known and documented, so why the fuss?

Oh..C’mon Sage…you’re not serious, are you??

The guy was sitting at home not bothering anyone, and discretely drinking booze that he probably bought openly at the hole in the wall in Ajman.

He gets the humiliating, cruel punishment of 80 lashes just because he happens to be a Moslem.

What about all the other Moslems in Ajman (including the locals) who drink in plain view at the nearby Kempinski Hotel bars?? Aren’t they also Moslems violating the alcohol consumption law as well??

Is that your interpretation of equal justice under the law??

Even in the ultra conservative KSA, they don’t prosecute people who drink at home.

It’s OK to fine the guy for the not-so- serious offence of sharing accommodation with others, but for alcohol consumption!!??. C’moon!!! And not just 80 lashes, but also he loses his job that he probably depends on to support his family back home, gets fined and then gets deported??

Unless there is more to this story than we know, I see this as an overkill, and a totally warranted sentence!!

you should direct your stupid questions to your self ! and should go like this : is there is locals in jail and face the same punishment for such an act ? the answer is yes.... you see you and the other sheep's need to understand your problem ! you are only focusing on what happens to foreigners and not the locals, and that's why you see no justices bcz it's only on your head. do you get it ?

and do not excuse your wrong doing just bcz others are doing it or not getting punished for it, it proves you aree a sheep that follows blindly.

good luck... bash away

uaekid wrote:

Tom Jones wrote:8)

sage & onion wrote:Say whatever you want however the guy who has been caught unfortunately broke so many laws.

1) He is most certainly Muslim, so it is against Shariah law to consume Alcohol.

2) He is not allowed to share accomodation.

3) He is not allowed to share accomodation with a female.

These laws are all well known and documented, so why the fuss?

Oh..C’mon Sage…you’re not serious, are you??

The guy was sitting at home not bothering anyone, and discretely drinking booze that he probably bought openly at the hole in the wall in Ajman.

He gets the humiliating, cruel punishment of 80 lashes just because he happens to be a Moslem.

What about all the other Moslems in Ajman (including the locals) who drink in plain view at the nearby Kempinski Hotel bars?? Aren’t they also Moslems violating the alcohol consumption law as well??

Is that your interpretation of equal justice under the law??

Even in the ultra conservative KSA, they don’t prosecute people who drink at home.

It’s OK to fine the guy for the not-so- serious offence of sharing accommodation with others, but for alcohol consumption!!??. C’moon!!! And not just 80 lashes, but also he loses his job that he probably depends on to support his family back home, gets fined and then gets deported??

Unless there is more to this story than we know, I see this as an overkill, and a totally warranted sentence!!

you should direct your stupid questions to your self ! and should go like this : is there is locals in jail and face the same punishment for such an act ? the answer is yes.... you see you and the other sheep's need to understand your problem ! you are only focusing on what happens to foreigners and not the locals, and that's why you see no justices bcz it's only on your head. do you get it ?

and do not excuse your wrong doing just bcz others are doing it or not getting punished for it, it proves you aree a sheep that follows blindly.

good luck... bash away

UAEkid try getting out of bed on the other side fo the bed tomorrow am

lol SHEEEPS hahaha good one uaekid. didnt know there were so many sheeps in this forum. Well you all can BAAAAAAAAAAA all you want, because thats the law of the land.

uaekid wrote:you should direct your stupid questions to your self ! and should go like this : is there is locals in jail and face the same punishment for such an act ? the answer is yes.... you see you and the other sheep's need to understand your problem ! you are only focusing on what happens to foreigners and not the locals, and that's why you see no justices bcz it's only on your head. do you get it ?

and do not excuse your wrong doing just bcz others are doing it or not getting punished for it, it proves you aree a sheep that follows blindly.

good luck... bash away

I don't get you. When people focus on the locals, your defense mechanism kicks in. Your response sounds like you were offended that "you" were excluded and no thought was given to locals in the same situation.

Kid, we know there are locals in jail. We have all been privy to certain situations that happened to make the newspaper. And there are many more situations that don't make the paper. We also know that there are locals in jail for drugs - either for distribution or use. No one is saying that they are the exception when it comes to committing crimes. Feel better now??

yes you might see "locals" drink at kempiski but how do you know they are actually LOCALS, who knows they can be local look alikes no seriously who knows they could be irani, balooshis, iraqi or even egyptians etc etc that have some characterisitcs that make them look like locals. I always get taken as a local but I aint but yes am a muslim.

now are you telling me that each and every single policeman should start hanging around at kempiski and ask them are you a muslim and are you a local? lol if they do that who will catch the theives and the reckless car drivers? then you guys will baaaaaaaaaaaa about how their is a shortage of policemen in dubai (there already is). so they will only punish those when the crime is reported.

lol honestly guys, use some common sense before you start your baaaabaaaaaaa

rudeboy wrote:yes you might see "locals" drink at kempiski but how do you know they are actually LOCALS, who knows they can be local look alikes no seriously who knows they could be irani, balooshis, iraqi or even egyptians etc etc that have some characterisitcs that make them look like locals. I always get taken as a local but I aint but yes am a muslim.

now are you telling me that each and every single policeman should start hanging around at kempiski and ask them are you a muslim and are you a local? lol if they do that who will catch the theives and the reckless car drivers? then you guys will baaaaaaaaaaaa about how their is a shortage of policemen in dubai (there already is). so they will only punish those when the crime is reported.

lol honestly guys, use some common sense before you start your baaaabaaaaaaa

Speaking of common sense...........???...............do you have any?? Most locals are of irani, balooshi, iraqi ethnicity. DUH!! Egyptians don't look anything like a local, although there are some who were given the UAE passport, or are locals by mix marriage. One of the few things Egyptians do have is their own "look". And if you haven't noticed, there are many local men marrying Phillipino girls - and take a good look at their child or children. In years to come you are going to see a lot of locals with a very Asian (slant eyed, wide nose, straight hair) look going on.

And how can you say that you are mistaken for a local? I have yet to see an Indian or Pakistani who comes close to even resembling a local.

Who is talking about police at the bars - specifically Kempinski?? Would you try to stay on the same page?!?! But to answer your question: how do we know they are locals: errrr, their clothes to start with. Absolutely no fashion sense when it comes to dressing in Western clothing!!!

What is this a sheeps vs. donkeys thread? BAAAAAAD donkeys is what I say to you and Kid.

Tom Jones wrote:8)

sage & onion wrote:Say whatever you want however the guy who has been caught unfortunately broke so many laws.

1) He is most certainly Muslim, so it is against Shariah law to consume Alcohol.

2) He is not allowed to share accomodation.

3) He is not allowed to share accomodation with a female.

These laws are all well known and documented, so why the fuss?

Oh..C’mon Sage…you’re not serious, are you??

The guy was sitting at home not bothering anyone, and discretely drinking booze that he probably bought openly at the hole in the wall in Ajman.

He gets the humiliating, cruel punishment of 80 lashes just because he happens to be a Moslem.

What about all the other Moslems in Ajman (including the locals) who drink in plain view at the nearby Kempinski Hotel bars?? Aren’t they also Moslems violating the alcohol consumption law as well??

Is that your interpretation of equal justice under the law??

Even in the ultra conservative KSA, they don’t prosecute people who drink at home.

It’s OK to fine the guy for the not-so- serious offence of sharing accommodation with others, but for alcohol consumption!!??. C’moon!!! And not just 80 lashes, but also he loses his job that he probably depends on to support his family back home, gets fined and then gets deported??

Unless there is more to this story than we know, I see this as an overkill, and a totally warranted sentence!!

I am not saying I agree with it or not, the simple fact is that the guy was actually breaking the law. I always tell people that in the UAE, their is never a problem until their is a problem. For instance did you know that it is actually against the laws of the UAE for a resident (Non-muslim) to consume Alcohol anywhere without a valid liquor licence?

Yes, I am aware of that. But as you know, even in the UK, as in the US, there are laws on the books that are not enforced. The "valid liquor license" is enforced at will. It was probably put into "law" when they were writing up the "laws" at the very beginning, when Dubai was Dubai.

Bora Bora wrote:

rudeboy wrote:yes you might see "locals" drink at kempiski but how do you know they are actually LOCALS, who knows they can be local look alikes no seriously who knows they could be irani, balooshis, iraqi or even egyptians etc etc that have some characterisitcs that make them look like locals. I always get taken as a local but I aint but yes am a muslim.

now are you telling me that each and every single policeman should start hanging around at kempiski and ask them are you a muslim and are you a local? lol if they do that who will catch the theives and the reckless car drivers? then you guys will baaaaaaaaaaaa about how their is a shortage of policemen in dubai (there already is). so they will only punish those when the crime is reported.

lol honestly guys, use some common sense before you start your baaaabaaaaaaa

Speaking of common sense...........???...............do you have any?? Most locals are of irani, balooshi, iraqi ethnicity. DUH!! Egyptians don't look anything like a local, although there are some who were given the UAE passport, or are locals by mix marriage. One of the few things Egyptians do have is their own "look". And if you haven't noticed, there are many local men marrying Phillipino girls - and take a good look at their child or children. In years to come you are going to see a lot of locals with a very Asian (slant eyed, wide nose, straight hair) look going on.

And how can you say that you are mistaken for a local? I have yet to see an Indian or Pakistani who comes close to even resembling a local.

Who is talking about police at the bars - specifically Kempinski?? Would you try to stay on the same page?!?! But to answer your question: how do we know they are locals: errrr, their clothes to start with. Absolutely no fashion sense when it comes to dressing in Western clothing!!!

What is this a sheeps vs. donkeys thread? BAAAAAAD donkeys is what I say to you and Kid.

err indians and pakistani do come close to resembling a local. go and do some homework and see where balooshis came from. while you at it tiger cat, do some homework as to how some local men married indian women from hyderabad. The fact is you cant tell who is local. Trust me you will find some local CID guys driving around in dubai taxis,sharjah taxis and you wouldnt know!!! ask herve boy if you dont believe me

lol if i start wearing a kandoora, i am a local? lol good one. local men dont have a sense when it comes to western clothing lol AGAIN. seriously dont know which "local" crowd you been hanging around with. go to london and see how some of the locals dress up there and you will find some locals here wearing pleasant western dressware althought you will not come across THAT many because they are at HOME.

Bora Bora wrote:Yes, I am aware of that. But as you know, even in the UK, as in the US, there are laws on the books that are not enforced. The "valid liquor license" is enforced at will. It was probably put into "law" when they were writing up the "laws" at the very beginning, when Dubai was Dubai.

Thats why I said; "their is never a problem until their is a problem" these laws do occasionaly get enforced.

AH! the irony of life, you can never throw a stone without hitting anybodies head and dealing the damage...

portland wrote:AH! the irony of life, you can never throw a stone without hitting anybodies head and dealing the damage...

Care to elaborate?

uaekid wrote:you should direct your stupid questions to your self ! and should go like this : is there is locals in jail and face the same punishment for such an act ? the answer is yes.... you see you and the other sheep's need to understand your problem ! you are only focusing on what happens to foreigners and not the locals, and that's why you see no justices bcz it's only on your head. do you get it ?

and do not excuse your wrong doing just bcz others are doing it or not getting punished for it, it proves you aree a sheep that follows blindly.

good luck... bash away

If we are the sheep, you must be a true swine.

This is a clear case where the punishment does not fit the crime. I just hope that the Ajman authorities do not carry out the sentence because it is grossly unfair!

I can understand that some Sharia judge has probably sentenced the poor man to 80 lashes for drinking alcohol, which is in line with strict Islamic judicial laws. But hopefully that harsh sentence gets waived by the authorities!!!

Laws are made to be applied intelligently, not blindly!!!

Here is a good example of a case in Holland where the punishment was too severe and the courts reversed the punishment and compensated the victim. The case involves a private firm, Mcdonald's, but it illustrates the proper application of the principle that the punishment should fit the crime -- which is a known principle in ethics and law.

Hooray to the Netherlands!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8481827.stm

Tom Jones wrote:This is a clear case where the punishment does not fit the crime. I just hope that the Ajman authorities do not carry out the sentence because it is grossly unfair!

I can understand that some Sharia judge sentenced the poor man to 80 lashes for drinking alcohol, which is in line with strict Islamic judicial laws. But hopefully that harsh sentence gets waived by the authorities!!!

Laws are made to be applied intelligently, not blindly!!!

Here is a good example of a case in Holland where the punishment was too severe and the courts reversed the punishment and compensated the victim. The case involves a private firm, Mcdonald's, but it illustrates the proper application of the principle that the crime should fit the punishment -- which is a known principle in ethics and law.

Hooray to the Netherlands!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8481827.stm

Good one Jonesy. Same silly type of allegation, but a more civil outcome.

You poor guys , after all your 2 years expert assumption of Dubai economy going dead ... sinking ..is now " gone with the wind " ,you are turning on the justice and religious laws ..what's next

You see robbyg.. only now you would know how a useless wasted time you spent bringing news ,articles copying and pasting …you could've planted a tomato seed and would be preparing your won salad by now

sage & onion wrote:

portland wrote:AH! the irony of life, you can never throw a stone without hitting anybodies head and dealing the damage...

Care to elaborate?

It simply means the LAW is the LAW it doesnt matter if its backward or forward, its the LAW and it doesnt matter how you use it, you can criticize it nor denny it but you can never judge it, you only need to face it.

portland wrote:

sage & onion wrote:

portland wrote:AH! the irony of life, you can never throw a stone without hitting anybodies head and dealing the damage...

Care to elaborate?

It simply means the LAW is the LAW it doesnt matter if its backward or forward, its the LAW and it doesnt matter how you use it, you can criticize it nor denny it but you can never judge it, you only need to face it.

Amen

uaekid wrote:You poor guys , after all your 2 years expert assumption of Dubai economy going dead ... sinking ..is now " gone with the wind " ,you are turning on the justice and religious laws ..what's next

You see robbyg.. only now you would know how a useless wasted time you spent bringing news ,articles copying and pasting …you could've planted a tomato seed and would be preparing your won salad by now

Your Arab ignorance is showing off again matey. Control that animal for once...

Lets set things straight: What in the prophets name do you really know about economics?
Following your reply, I notice you haven't even read nor understood what I've said about the Dubai economy in the past year!

Emirati's like you only talk AIR all day long. Try and talk some sense pinhead.

rudeboy wrote:

err indians and pakistani do come close to resembling a local. go and do some homework and see where balooshis came from. while you at it tiger cat, do some homework as to how some local men married indian women from hyderabad. The fact is you cant tell who is local. Trust me you will find some local CID guys driving around in dubai taxis,sharjah taxis and you wouldnt know!!! ask herve boy if you dont believe me

lol if i start wearing a kandoora, i am a local? lol good one. local men dont have a sense when it comes to western clothing lol AGAIN. seriously dont know which "local" crowd you been hanging around with. go to london and see how some of the locals dress up there and you will find some locals here wearing pleasant western dressware althought you will not come across THAT many because they are at HOME.[/quote]

Crudeboy, don't flatter yourself that you resemble a local - that's to say that Indians and Pakistanis look Arab - and then that would also go in reverse - Arabs look like Indians and Pakistanis. Tell that to an Arab and see their reaction. As for the "local crowd" that I "hang" around with, I don't "hang" Crudeboy. I socialize with locals that you couldn't even dream about "hanging" with.

As for locals marrying indian women - DUH!! But it's not as if they were the majority. General rule of thumb is that local Arab men marry Arab women.

CID: FYI - they are everywhere!!!! I know why you struggle with your need to be "local minded". It's because you think you will get some respect. Do what some Indians do - wear the dishdasha. All you do is trade your droopy drawers or Nehru jacket for another nationality's customary dress, but the fact remains - you are still an Indian!!! It's no different if I gave up my western clothes for an abaya or a sari - the fact remains I am western. Quite a few years ago the locals wanted to make it illegal for non-locals to wear dishdasha because Indians were adopting it as a form of their identity.

When outside of the UAE in western countries, you knob, of course they wear Western clothing!!! If you were to travel to western countries do you wear your droopy drawers?? I don't think so!

My point is - they may spend alot of money on the clothes but they have no sense of style or proper fit!!

Your responses are always so off the mark to the post you are responding to. I'm not even going to point out where you went wrong in this post.

RobbyG wrote:

uaekid wrote:You poor guys , after all your 2 years expert assumption of Dubai economy going dead ... sinking ..is now " gone with the wind " ,you are turning on the justice and religious laws ..what's next

You see robbyg.. only now you would know how a useless wasted time you spent bringing news ,articles copying and pasting …you could've planted a tomato seed and would be preparing your won salad by now

Your Arab ignorance is showing off again matey. Control that animal for once...

Lets set things straight: What in the prophets name do you really know about economics?
Following your reply, I notice you haven't even read nor understood what I've said about the Dubai economy in the past year!

Emirati's like you only talk AIR all day long. Try and talk some sense pinhead.

ohhh did I hurt your feeling robbyg boy I was just pointing out that you could've done some good Time Management during those 2 years !!you see , we all took economy 1 & 2 classes but the joke is that you think that you mastered it, not only that but you actually think you are a master of all fields ,religious ,cultures ,finance ,sex , weather and politics. I wonder if you can do an open heart surgeries .
do you know why I think you are a bolony ? bcz you never ask or inquire ! you always has the answer to everything and never admit you are wrong and only what you think goes...
mate, I don't know much about economy but I know how to spot a "wana be"

and you wonder why all those CVs you sent got turned down ?

Bora Bora wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

err indians and pakistani do come close to resembling a local. go and do some homework and see where balooshis came from. while you at it tiger cat, do some homework as to how some local men married indian women from hyderabad. The fact is you cant tell who is local. Trust me you will find some local CID guys driving around in dubai taxis,sharjah taxis and you wouldnt know!!! ask herve boy if you dont believe me

lol if i start wearing a kandoora, i am a local? lol good one. local men dont have a sense when it comes to western clothing lol AGAIN. seriously dont know which "local" crowd you been hanging around with. go to london and see how some of the locals dress up there and you will find some locals here wearing pleasant western dressware althought you will not come across THAT many because they are at HOME.

Crudeboy, don't flatter yourself that you resemble a local - that's to say that Indians and Pakistanis look Arab - and then that would also go in reverse - Arabs look like Indians and Pakistanis. Tell that to an Arab and see their reaction. As for the "local crowd" that I "hang" around with, I don't "hang" Crudeboy. I socialize with locals that you couldn't even dream about "hanging" with.

As for locals marrying indian women - DUH!! But it's not as if they were the majority. General rule of thumb is that local Arab men marry Arab women.

CID: FYI - they are everywhere!!!! I know why you struggle with your need to be "local minded". It's because you think you will get some respect. Do what some Indians do - wear the dishdasha. All you do is trade your droopy drawers or Nehru jacket for another nationality's customary dress, but the fact remains - you are still an Indian!!! It's no different if I gave up my western clothes for an abaya or a sari - the fact remains I am western. Quite a few years ago the locals wanted to make it illegal for non-locals to wear dishdasha because Indians were adopting it as a form of their identity.

When outside of the UAE in western countries, you knob, of course they wear Western clothing!!! If you were to travel to western countries do you wear your droopy drawers?? I don't think so!

My point is - they may spend alot of money on the clothes but they have no sense of style or proper fit!!

Your responses are always so off the mark to the post you are responding to. I'm not even going to point out where you went wrong in this post. [/quote]

anyone who needs information about dubai, please get in touch with this tiger cat, she knows everything from who is a master of a certain camel you will see walking in the desert, to who is an arab and who aint a local.

LOL i am an indian good one shows how much you know girl


as one of the members mentioned before, you want to tell me how they should stop the locals who apparantley according to this member, "hang out" in kandooras and have a jolly good old drink with the lads on the night out ,

[quote="Bora Bora"][quote="rudeboy"] Tell that to an Arab and see their reaction.quote]


of course they would try to deny it. But many many Arabs look like Pakistanis. In fact, as Rudeboy said, you wont be able to tell a Balushi apart from a Shamsi or an Attar when they are both cladding the national dress.
Also some of them resemble Indians, mostly in Northern Emirates, because they had Indian mothers. They are the ones who can speak Urdu quite well, even though they are young, and are often fans of Bollywood movies. But tell them they look like an Indian, most of them will pretend they have nothing to do with India.

Bora Bora wrote:

Crudeboy, don't flatter yourself that you resemble a local - that's to say that Indians and Pakistanis look Arab - and then that would also go in reverse - Arabs look like Indians and Pakistanis.

Quite a few years ago the locals wanted to make it illegal for non-locals to wear dishdasha because Indians were adopting it as a form of their identity.

Many Pakistanis, particularly Baluchis, move around in local dresses, without the black band. Most people, apart from other Gulf Arabs, think they are Khaleejis. It is only when you talk to them that you get signs of them being Baluchi.

Also, it IS illegal for Non Gulf Arabs to wear the Arab headdress,

uaekid wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

uaekid wrote:You poor guys , after all your 2 years expert assumption of Dubai economy going dead ... sinking ..is now " gone with the wind " ,you are turning on the justice and religious laws ..what's next

You see robbyg.. only now you would know how a useless wasted time you spent bringing news ,articles copying and pasting …you could've planted a tomato seed and would be preparing your won salad by now

Your Arab ignorance is showing off again matey. Control that animal for once...

Lets set things straight: What in the prophets name do you really know about economics?
Following your reply, I notice you haven't even read nor understood what I've said about the Dubai economy in the past year!

Emirati's like you only talk AIR all day long. Try and talk some sense pinhead.

ohhh did I hurt your feeling robbyg boy I was just pointing out that you could've done some good Time Management during those 2 years !!you see , we all took economy 1 & 2 classes but the joke is that you think that you mastered it, not only that but you actually think you are a master of all fields ,religious ,cultures ,finance ,love , weather and politics. I wonder if you can do an open heart surgeries .
do you know why I think you are a bolony ? bcz you never ask or inquire ! you always has the answer to everything and never admit you are wrong and only what you think goes...
mate, I don't know much about economy but I know how to spot a "wana be"

and you wonder why all those CVs you sent got turned down ?

I do know quite a few things, but my virtue lies in constantly craving for knowledge, either by reading or by asking/acquiring the appropriate sources.

One thing is for sure, you never taught me anything useful. I merely hear you talk AIR all day long...
You can stop acting like balony mate, cause you know I admit my mistakes right here in public. Just recently you missed the Palestine topic with Shafique and the quarrel with DD some time ago, about US and German car technology

ps: No heart surgeries, I leave that to the experts
pps: You are free to discuss my authorita but if you hear an employer in need for a firm leader, at least you know where to find one.