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sauron wrote: so did my kids - they are not all horrible, uncaring monsters.

HP, Viagra might be a quick fix for your impotence problem, but unfortunately there is nothing on the market that will cure your lack of intelligence.

Lack of intelligence lead the US to invade in Iraq . If the Head of state of US, UK or FBI, CIA , M5 can be stupid than HP is simple person .

I can`t open the link.......I`m sure I would get nightmares....

But I know already that the humanity is barbarous!!!!

How is it a possible that humans do such terrible things?

HP wrote:

sauron wrote:HP, Viagra might be a quick fix for your impotence problem, but unfortunately there is nothing on the market that will cure your lack of intelligence.

Lack of intelligence lead the US to invade in Iraq . If the Head of state of US, UK or FBI, CIA , M5 can be stupid than HP is simple person .

'HP is simple person'

You got that right HP.
A few kagaroos loose in the top paddock there mate.

Choco

if u dont have BF anymore , it doesnt mean that u shuld love animals

HP, stop trashing this thread. The point is the majority of these species are protected in the first place. Humans can do something about their plight, animals on the other hand are totally and utterly at the mercy of mankind.

If you have nothing to contribute to this thread, then don't post in it.

The guy who runs the petition wants 1 million signatures and he's well on the way to getting it. He will then send it to the Government of Japan, to show the worlds .

Have you seen the different countries that people have contributed from? It's amazing, hopefully we can make a difference.

once i saw on discovery or bbc food channel.

they cut the fish from both side so that all the bones were visible, meat from both side its tummy was removed but they didnt cut its head so the poor animal was breathing and then they put spicy food on its tummy the part from where they removed the meat, they threw that meat...

now on plate there was a living fish lying with bones instead of it tummy on which there was spicy food and its a proper dish and people were eating that spicy food.

i never get it why whats the charm or taste in it..

Chocoholic wrote:HP, stop trashing this thread. The point is the majority of these species are protected in the first place. Humans can do something about their plight, animals on the other hand are totally and utterly at the mercy of mankind.

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Humans can do something when they also have latest weapon . But latest weapon r only restricted to some nations and rest of ppl r defending with stones :=) .

Jst tell me !! Have u ever wrote single topic or even line about the PPL in Iraq ? Let assume that Saddam era was worst but what about now. Are we getting used to see 30 to 50 people 's death every day".

Have we started skipping the news like sage&onion's joke because it is the part of everyday life and nothing special in it :=)

wid luv
HP:=)

lol...even if u get 3 million signatures....mmm..how many exactly are we in the world?????

what is 10 million? (one country?) lol

what abt camels, sheeps, and many other animals we eat.

This just shows u watch to much disney cartoons rather then watching the news every morning....

Heres a more interesting topic: Nukes, nerv gas used in war, oh lord...wait till you see those footages...and they aint abt cuddly animals either.

Time to wake up sweety....its not an astroid that will end this world...or God himself...it will be us.

No offense , but from what you wrote in your first post choco I thought I'd see a video in which animals are being tortured just because. Japanese people eat dolphins, just like you might eat chickens or someone else might eat cows or goats.

They aren't killing them for fun, and they aren't trying to make thier deaths any more painful from what I see, they aren't mutilating them, they are fishing them just like smaller fishes are caught- but these are bigger ones so different ways of carrying them are used. And they are doing it all for food.

If you don't like eating dolphins, don't eat them. But trying to stop others from doing so is the same as trying to stop other groups from eating other kinds of animals or birds which are acceptable to be eaten by you, and if not you a lot of the people commenting in this thread, like chickens and cows.

EDIT: and if someone isn't a vigitarian yet signs such petitions, I view them as hypocrites.

HP wrote:[Have we started skipping the news like sage&onion's joke because it is the part of everyday life and nothing special in it :=)

wid luv
HP:=)

and "games" and "its thurdays"


P.S. HP you are still a monkey. A funny monkey!

Not_Sure wrote:
Heres a more interesting topic: Nukes, nerv gas used in war, oh lord...wait till you see those footages...and they aint abt cuddly animals either.

show them you arsehole.

PARANOID wrote:No offense , but from what you wrote in your first post choco I thought I'd see a video in which animals are being tortured just because. Japanese people eat dolphins, just like you might eat chickens or someone else might eat cows or goats.

They aren't killing them for fun, and they aren't trying to make thier deaths any more painful from what I see, they aren't mutilating them, they are fishing them just like smaller fishes are caught- but these are bigger ones so different ways of carrying them are used. And they are doing it all for food.

If you don't like eating dolphins, don't eat them. But trying to stop others from doing so is the same as trying to stop other groups from eating other kinds of animals or birds which are acceptable to be eaten by you, and if not you a lot of the people commenting in this thread, like chickens and cows.

EDIT: and if someone isn't a vigitarian yet signs such petitions, I view them as hypocrites.

Don't waste your time. I'm sure there is someone out there who will take a blowjob from you...

I made a lot of sence in my post a fatass like you just can't comprehend, therefore producing one very lame not funny unrelated reply.Get aids,B*tch.

well said Hp and paranoid!

If they wanna eat dolphins...let them!
who r we to say they can't?
forget the japanese for a moment..let's take something that most of us eat..chicken..do u really think that chickens have a peaceful death..
and how can we forget the kfc method for killing chicken..
i know that those dolphins don't have a painless death..but then again which animal on our plates have?

I guess I am going to have to be unpopular with this post - but this is spin and propaganda, using emotive language (and also misleading language).

Firstly, the scenes of slaughter are no different from the slaughter of other animals for food - just as intelligent mammals, such as horses, pigs and more commonly cows.

All mammals and birds will convulse when they are slaughtered, this is normal. Not stunning a mammal is more humane than stunning one - a stunned animal still feels pain and is fearful (studies have shown), but does not convulse as much as a non-stunned animal that just has it's arteries cut and loses conciousness straight away.

My children have seen animals slaughtered as I think they should know where their meat is coming from and have respect for animals. They should know that meat comes from living beings and not shrink wrapped parcels on the supermarket shelf.

By all means, if this is illegal or endangering the dolphins, then this should be highlighted and protested against. However, pulling at the heartstrings of people who have not seen the realities of killing animals for meat is spin and hype and sticks in the throat.

It isn't a 'massacre' - it's a harvest of the sea. It's no different from trawling for fish or culling deer or rounding up steers for slaughter.

Horses are slaughtered everyday for their meat - why aren't people signing petitions against the French and other continentals for this? I guess perhaps it is because they don't let people film the slaughter and put their spin on it?

There is a lot of injustice in the world and a lot of genuine harm is being done to the ecology and flora and fauna - however humans have a right to eat meat and to responsibly harvest natures bounty. The fishing of dolphins and their slaughter for meat shown in the film was graphic, but no evidence (in the film) was given for this being irresponsible or even cruel by fishing or abattoir or hunting standards.

My final thought would be that people who are offended by the scenes would similarly be offended by any slaughter house - but how many would still happily tuck into a steak or a chicken or eat fish?

Cheers,
Shafique

Legendkiller wrote:well said Hp and paranoid!

If they wanna eat dolphins...let them!
who r we to say they can't?
forget the japanese for a moment..let's take something that most of us eat..chicken..do u really think that chickens have a peaceful death..
and how can we forget the kfc method for killing chicken..
i know that those dolphins don't have a painless death..but then again which animal on our plates have?

Uhh no, don't group me with HP. His logic is that because people die we shouldn't care about animals. I care about animals a lot, and I condemn those who torture them and cause them pain for no reason( I remember the first two videos choco posted a long time ago about animal torture in china- THAT'S something to sign a petition for IMO) Still I believe humans can kill animals for food. Different people from different places eat different animals, and I think the guys commenting here should be openminded about that.

I also don't completly approve of killing animals only for thier skins to make clothes and such.

PS - one misleading line (to illustrate why I'm a little incensed) was when the narrator said that the dolphins who had their jugulars slashed were convulsing in pain whilst slowly suffocating. What utter tosh - the dolphins were dying due to blood loss, just as cows etc are slaughtered and weren't suffocating - dolphins breath air, so don't suffocate out of water and weren't slowly suffocating at all.

Cheers,
Shafique

ugh, didn't need to see that.

signed the petition, sent it to everyone that i know that hasnt seen it yet and also posted it on my blog...


this kind of stuff is just ing.

shafique wrote:PS - one misleading line (to illustrate why I'm a little incensed) was when the narrator said that the dolphins who had their jugulars slashed were convulsing in pain whilst slowly suffocating. What utter tosh - the dolphins were dying due to blood loss, just as cows etc are slaughtered and weren't suffocating - dolphins breath air, so don't suffocate out of water and weren't slowly suffocating at all.

Cheers,
Shafique

Hey Shafique and all who have mentioned chickens, cows, horses, etc.

Start a campaing or point people to the place were they can petition.

I guess same would go for slave labor / discrimination / intollerance: why care about one incident when it happens to other people in other places, etc.

I hope you signed the petition

Concord,

I'll sign any petition that will campaign against battery chickens which confine egg laying hens in cages which are inhumane.

However, I will not be a hypocrite and condemn what is a natural harvest of dolphins for human consumption. The dolphins in question had a good life and weren't farmed, and arguably had a better life than all the dolphins in aquariums around the world which are kept in captivity for the pleasure of humans - let's sign a petition for that.

I say free all the performing dolphins first!

But don't ask me to buy the misleading propaganda about 'suffocating slowly' when what we are seeing is the slaughter of mammals for meat and is no more disturbing than the slaughter of horses and cows.

If I were the Japanese, I'd take the videos of animal rights people that filmed in the abattoirs of the 'West' and similarly dub it with music and a voiceover and show kids tucking into McDonalds to show how barbaric the Occidentals are. I wonder how many will sign that petition.

Cheers,
Shafique

Concord,

Show me real suffering and I'll sign any petition (and more) that you want. If the dolphins are suffering, then so are the many millions more mammals that are slaughtered everyday, and millions more fish that are caught every day.

Children in Darfur, Zimbabwe, Gaza, West Bank, Baghdad, Kabul are all suffering because of the needless actions of man. That I'll sign a petition for.

Don't swallow vegan crap - the stench of propaganda makes me wretch.

Cheers,
Shafique

Nice refute dawgy. Not.

I don't know about dophin meat, but shark meat is nasty as hell, or maybe it's an acquired taste. For some reason I feel like wearing my taupe dog fur jacket today, it's très chic. too bad it's a warm day, I'd probably look more ridiculous than usual wearing it...

Some of you need to wrap yourself up in a Winnie da Poo blanket with a bag of caramel popcorn, get in touch with your sensitive feelings and your um, well placed "priorities" in life, yup feel safe from this cruel cruel world! ha, bunch of freakazoids.

woo-hoo, Shafique said it like it is
Shafique for mod!

(it's weird and a bit sad, that common sense is so rare nowadays...)

Shafique, the point the Choco is trying to make is to raise awareness against cruelty to these harmless creatures.

Its inhuman to keep them alive on flatbed trucks for extended periods of time when their skin needs to be moistened constantly.

PETA has raised the matter of cruelty to chickens and cows in most countries because of which laws are quite stringent and enforce certain rules on slaughterhouses that aims to reduce trauma and stress to the animals.

They have to be provided with food and water, sufficient space (especially chickens) and they are stunned before they are slaughtered to reduce the pain.

This thread is not to justify cruelty... its to help stop inhuman slaughter of a fast diminishing species, just like the baby seals of canada, the young apes of Africa and whaling by Norway and Japan

Chocoholic wrote:Have you seen the different countries that people have contributed from? It's amazing, hopefully we can make a difference.

How do you view the signatories Choco??

shafique wrote:PS - one misleading line (to illustrate why I'm a little incensed) was when the narrator said that the dolphins who had their jugulars slashed were convulsing in pain whilst slowly suffocating. What utter tosh - the dolphins were dying due to blood loss, just as cows etc are slaughtered and weren't suffocating - dolphins breath air, so don't suffocate out of water and weren't slowly suffocating at all.

Cheers,
Shafique

The dolphins may not have been slowly suffocating, but yes, they were convulsing in pain, and slowly dying due to blood loss.

This is what some people find disturbing, apart from the fact that they are dolphins.

Cows, horses, sheep, goats etc are no longer slaughted this way, unless it is for religious reasons. The accepted method of death is a bolt gun triggered at a precise area on the top of the skull. This is closely monitored by governments and many animal rights groups, and there ARE already videos of the abattoirs that have broken the rules.

As I said, there are obviously concessions for religious reasons and these are respected by myself and others.

But the japanese were not following any religious methods, or scientific methods of slaughter.

Keith, you click on the link for the petition, then click on 'view signatures'.

Some of you are totally insensitive and I'm appalled by some of your attitudes.

Shaf, the whole point is that these 'mammals' are not killed humanely. As has been pointed out most 'land dwelling mammals' are killed using bolt guns, which is instant. Dolphins and whales are sea dwelling mammals and once they are taken out of that environment they are totally stressed, their skin dries and becomes painful and their body weight, without the suspension of water basically can crush their internal organs, so yes they can effectively suffocate under their own weight out of water.

They're not killed unstantly, it is slow and painful and can be over hours! That's the point.

Plus did you totally ignore the fact about entire family groups being wiped out? That they don't reach breeding age till their teens, that they live till 80? So at this rate they will be driven to exstinction! Once they're gone from this earht, you cannot bring them back.

At the rate man is going at wiping out species from the planet, soon there'll be no other 'naimal' left than man, who is the most pathetic, cruel and evil of them all.

And to answer your question HP, I have witten many times about peoples plights. The world does not revolve around Iraq! There are people suffering in countries all over the world you know. But the more I see mans willful distruction against his own kind, the less I care.

Chocoholic wrote:
And to answer your question HP, I have witten many times about peoples plights. The world does not revolve around Iraq! There are people suffering in countries all over the world you know. But the more I see mans willful distruction against his own kind, the less I care.

Jade ,


If the President of Iran comes with the remarks , you r the first person to open a new topic , Yeah Yeah Yeah . I hope you dont mind you uncle adolf Hitlor and his kidness to Jew community , because a mans willful distruction against his own kid

what do u say sweetheart ?