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Anosh wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

With blood coming out my back end... Only if you realllly want to hon

Wear your adult nappies.

Cannot hold myself... Well BB..

Anosh, know your place newbie. You are at the end of the line and its all coming at YOU!!!

Bora Bora wrote:

Anosh wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

With blood coming out my back end... Only if you realllly want to hon

Wear your adult nappies.

Cannot hold myself... Well BB..

Anosh, know your place newbie. You are at the end of the line and its all coming at YOU!!!

You have a good mind.

So an Emirates plane nearly crashed ?
The tail hit the ground....which it bashed!!
The weight was much more,
So the tail hit the floor,
Now the pilots' careers are just dashed!!

Well nice to see a bit of Aircraft Banter... Also nice to know a lot of people exchange info like this.. Emirates would not be happy seein the details of this leaked out as I think theyve been quite tight lipped about it. A340-500 reg A6-ERG.. pics are all over the net chk out PPRUNE.ORG
Its sad though cos Ive certified that aircraft after quite a few checks .... remains to see whats profitable repair and risk a crash 15 years from now or claim insurance and get rid of one plane. I think logically theyd prefer the insurance cos theyve got brand new planes comin in every month and theyve cut lots of flights now..courtesy recession ..

erm you think?

They've already grounded two of the A380's due to low passenger loads, and they have another 50 or so on order.

Abu Dhabi has had to bail out Emirates, they'll tell you that AD took a 51% share, but really it's now 100% owned by Abu Dhabi. They refuse to reduce the rates to be competitive, I wonder how long it can last.

Chocoholic wrote:erm you think?

They've already grounded two of the A380's due to low passenger loads, and they have another 50 or so on order.

Abu Dhabi has had to bail out Emirates, they'll tell you that AD took a 51% share, but really it's now 100% owned by Abu Dhabi. They refuse to reduce the rates to be competitive, I wonder how long it can last.

Chocs, whats the deal with not wanting to lower their rates to be competitive?

That wouldn't be a faceloss in Dubai, or would it?

RobbyG wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:erm you think?

They've already grounded two of the A380's due to low passenger loads, and they have another 50 or so on order.

Abu Dhabi has had to bail out Emirates, they'll tell you that AD took a 51% share, but really it's now 100% owned by Abu Dhabi. They refuse to reduce the rates to be competitive, I wonder how long it can last.

Chocs, whats the deal with not wanting to lower their rates to be competitive?

That wouldn't be a faceloss in Dubai, or would it?

Schools still say they have waiting lists, health/leisure clubs still say they have waiting lists. Their prices are all higher this year too. Luxury cars also seem not to have come down.

Either not so many people are leaving as the panic suggested, or Dubai is still in massive denial, or the Gulf isn't in the bad state it has been said....

Place your bets, the wheel will stop spinning soon.....

Speedhump wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:erm you think?

They've already grounded two of the A380's due to low passenger loads, and they have another 50 or so on order.

Abu Dhabi has had to bail out Emirates, they'll tell you that AD took a 51% share, but really it's now 100% owned by Abu Dhabi. They refuse to reduce the rates to be competitive, I wonder how long it can last.

Chocs, whats the deal with not wanting to lower their rates to be competitive?

That wouldn't be a faceloss in Dubai, or would it?

Schools still say they have waiting lists, health/leisure clubs still say they have waiting lists. Their prices are all higher this year too. Luxury cars also seem not to have come down.

Either not so many people are leaving as the panic suggested, or Dubai is still in massive denial, or the Gulf isn't in the bad state it has been said....

Place your bets, the wheel will stop spinning soon.....

Dubai cargo statistics were up this first quarter in comparison with first quarter of 2008. So its seems nothing is wrong...

Where our Sjarjah airport guy!?

RobbyG wrote:Dubai cargo statistics were up this first quarter in comparison with first quarter of 2008. So its seems nothing is wrong...

Where our Sjarjah airport guy!?

That's been my opinion. Which is why, when anyone has been asking me 'should I stay or should I go', I've been saying if you have 6 months living expenses in the bank and can still afford to bail after that, hang on and see.

If the mood lifts in Q3 of this year the people who stayed will be the ones to benefit.

Speedhump wrote:

RobbyG wrote:Dubai cargo statistics were up this first quarter in comparison with first quarter of 2008. So its seems nothing is wrong...

Where our Sjarjah airport guy!?

That's been my opinion. Which is why, when anyone has been asking me 'should I stay or should I go', I've been saying if you have 6 months living expenses in the bank and can still afford to bail after that, hang on and see.

If the mood lifts in Q3 of this year the people who stayed will be the ones to benefit.

Was it you that worked in the cargo industry at Sjarjah Airport?

I must be getting senile....

haha noooo.....

my income for the last 3 months is back to 2007 levels, which let's face it, isn't too bad. last year was an incredible year. I thought it was too good to last!!

Speedhump wrote:haha noooo.....

my income for the last 3 months is back to 2007 levels, which let's face it, isn't too bad. last year was an incredible year. I thought it was too good to last!!

Are you self employed SH>? Cause why is your income variable?

Is that outgoing or incoming cargo though?

Chocoholic wrote:Is that outgoing or incoming cargo though?

total throughput. Both import and export.

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:haha noooo.....

my income for the last 3 months is back to 2007 levels, which let's face it, isn't too bad. last year was an incredible year. I thought it was too good to last!!

Are you self employed SH>? Cause why is your income variable?

Practically. I do have an umbrella organization over me but I'm gone upriver like Colonel Kurtz (Apocalypse Now), they just leave me alone and I send the money

Speedhump wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Speedhump wrote:haha noooo.....

my income for the last 3 months is back to 2007 levels, which let's face it, isn't too bad. last year was an incredible year. I thought it was too good to last!!

Are you self employed SH>? Cause why is your income variable?

Practically. I do have an umbrella organization over me but I'm gone upriver like Colonel Kurtz (Apocalypse Now), they just leave me alone and I send the money

Can you tell me what it is you do exactly?

nah

Currently he's learning to speak phillipino for his dinner date with Puppypoop.

Bora Bora wrote:Currently he's learning to speak phillipino for his dinner date with Puppypoop.

And his other 'hormone treat'...Miss WJade

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Currently he's learning to speak phillipino for his dinner date with Puppypoop.

And his other 'hormone treat'...Miss WJade

damn, I'm going to be pretty tuckered out eh....

Ellen Whinnett
April 12, 2009 12:00am


THE Emirates jet that dragged its tail along Melbourne Airport last month was centimetres from crashing, with 225 passengers on board.

Several aviation sources have described the accident on March 20 as the closest thing to a major aviation disaster Australia has ever experienced and say the passengers and crew are lucky to be alive.

"It was as close as we have ever come to a major aviation catastrophe in Australia," one senior official said.

The plane -- carrying up to 215,000 litres of highly flammable aviation fuel -- was less than 70cm off the ground when it crashed through lights almost 200m from the end of the runway.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has placed it in the most serious category of aircraft mishap available to it -- an accident, rather than an incident.

An ATSB investigation update shows the accident was labelled a "significant event" by investigators, who also listed damage to the aircraft as "substantial".

"During the take-off the aircraft's tail scraped the runway surface. Subsequently smoke was observed in the cabin," the report says.

A Sunday Herald Sun investigation has confirmed that the flight -- EK407 to Dubai -- almost failed to become airborne and barely made it over the airport perimeter fence, half a kilometre away.

Damage to the $220 million plane is so severe that the airline is considering writing it off rather than repairing it.

The fully-laden Airbus A340-500 was believed to have been travelling about 280km/h when it reached the end of the runway without becoming airborne.

At the last minute, the two pilots "rotated" the plane -- or pulled its nose up into a steep ascent -- causing its tail to crash into the end of the runway.

Despite its steep climb, the plane was still so low that it wiped out strobe lights that were only 70cm high and positioned 170m from the end of the runway.

It then took out an antenna, believed to be near a small building, before barely making it over the 2.44m wire perimeter fence.

THE French-built aircraft remains in the John Holland aircraft hangar at Melbourne Airport, a temporary patch placed across the damage under its tail.

Passenger Roman Korobitson, who was heading to Moscow via Dubai, said the plane took too long to get off the ground.

"I would imagine we were pretty close to the end of the line when it took off," he said.

His wife, Irina, saw several passengers become "extremely frightened" by noise and smoke.

The Sunday Herald Sun investigation can reveal:

THE plane used all of the 3657m-long runway 16, but failed to become airborne in time to take off.

THE pilots pulled the aircraft up steeply at the end of the runway, a manoeuvre known as "rotating", causing the tail to drag along the ground.

THE pilots -- who are not Australians -- were interviewed by investigators the day after the crash, but have now left Australia and have resigned from Emirates.

THE possibility that an error was made while inputting data to the plane's computers has been

identified by investigators as a line of inquiry.

INVESTIGATORS are also examining whether the plane took off at full thrust, or whether reduced thrust, which can reduce wear on the aircraft and cut noise, was being used.

A spokeswoman for Emirates said: "Emirates cannot comment on the investigation as it is still underway.

"However, we can confirm that the aircraft involved in the incident remains at Melbourne Airport and has been moved to a new location within the airport to assist in these continuing investigations."

Airbus A340-500s are designed for long-haul flights and to withstand heavy cargo, fuel and passenger loads. They also have reinforcement to protect against the possibility of a tail-strike, which are extremely rare in Australia.

However the force on the accident on March 20 is understood to have damaged the tail-strike protection and caused significant structural damage to the aircraft.

THE Australian Transport Safety Bureau said it expected to release its preliminary report by the end of April. A spokesman for the ATSB said all crew, including the two pilots, had been interviewed in Melbourne the day after the accident.

The ATSB is understood to have seized data relating to the accident, including the "black box" flight recorder and video of the accident shot on cameras that monitor Melbourne Airport's runways. Runway 16 is a north-south runway and EK407 was taking off to the south, towards the suburb of Keilor, about 10.30pm, when the accident happened.

The pilots were able to climb out over Port Phillip Bay, where they circled to dump fuel. They made an emergency landing at Melbourne Airport about 11.15pm and passengers reported smoke in the cabin.

'WE WERE all terrified and the crew were terrified, but no one would tell us what had happened," one British tourist said.

Aviation officials said the pilots were not required to pass Australian pilot training standards. However, they are required to reach international standards and Emirates' pilot training and competency standards are almost identical to those in Australia, safety officials said.

Aside from damaging three strobe lights, EK407 also took out a navigation antenna owned and operated by air traffic controllers Airservices Australia. The antenna is thought to be about 180cm high and is positioned 350m from the end of runway 16.

Aviation expert banana Smith said something had gone badly wrong.

"It's the closest thing to a major aviation accident in Australia for years," he said.

"The people (passengers) are incredibly lucky, it was an overrun where the plane didn't get airborne."

Mr Smith said Emirates was a "very good airline" and it was strange the pilots had resigned immediately after the accident.

"Emirates' standards are very high and they have a lot of Australian pilots," he said. "What I'm startled by is that there hasn't been a more immediate announcement. We should get some urgent advice from the ATSB. This is one of the most serious accidents you can imagine."

A Melbourne Airport spokeswoman confirmed the size of the strobe lights, which are on a grassed area between the end of the runway and the perimeter fence, which runs alongside Operations Rd.

"The height of the runway strobe lights is 0.7m above ground level," she said.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 62,00.html

aircraft was over loaded,that was the cause and c g was not calculated properly and load was also not loaded properly as per my thinking

That has already been confirmed. 'I' tol,d you that earlier on in the post.

newdubai wrote:aircraft was over loaded,that was the cause and c g was not calculated properly and load was also not loaded properly as per my thinking

A right reason for the incident.

ok.... maybe i should switch airline now... better yet.. travel on camels

JBR_Resident wrote:ok.... maybe i should switch airline now... better yet.. travel on camels

hop up

guys ,you do realize that you gave this issue more time and effort than an actual plane accident that involve actual dead people !!





don't tell me you are bashing our airline too LOL

Hope not, they're still my favourite airline especially with the new terminal

Speedhump wrote:Hope not, they're still my favourite airline especially with the new terminal

man, try alettihad business class .god it is heaven, I think they won the best business class world wide this year. The seats got massages and how big is flight attendance butts