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Chocoholic wrote:Haha my folks have been here for 10 years. Actually my father is just retiring, he's paid his dues big time.

My brother and I keep following my parents around the world, they can't get away from us - although they try their best! We're a very nomadic tribe. Next stop Australia! Well maybe, perfectly happy in DXB at the moment.

I don't think there's anyone here that doesn't know people who work for Emirates. Some of their stories are hilarious! Never piss of the cabin crew - EVER!!!!

I have never ever had an incident with a member of any cabin crew. I respect these people because they do what I never could do. If you are nice to them they will go out of their way to assist people. Sometimes you get a grumpy one, but having people tear you apart in so many directions (Excuse me, Get me, I want), I can understand it so if I need something I will ask another attendant or get up myself and go to the galley. I did get a grumpy one and asked her if I had done something wrong and she apologized and adjusted her attitude.

We all have bad days and they are entitled to have one as well. I can't stand those people who travel who think that the cabin crew is there to "serve" only them. Also, never mess with anyone who has control over your food!! and that includes waiters.

No, but when and article says, 'claimed' 'claims' or 'allegedly' this means they do not have the actual facts, as I have given you. Therefore it's speculatory and only what they know at the time, and should not be read as hard fact. Therefore when journalists use these terms, they do not know for sure and there is always an air of doubt. That's how the media works.

doesn't the black box determine the cause of such things ?

Bora Bora wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Haha my folks have been here for 10 years. Actually my father is just retiring, he's paid his dues big time.

My brother and I keep following my parents around the world, they can't get away from us - although they try their best! We're a very nomadic tribe. Next stop Australia! Well maybe, perfectly happy in DXB at the moment.

I don't think there's anyone here that doesn't know people who work for Emirates. Some of their stories are hilarious! Never piss of the cabin crew - EVER!!!!

I have never ever had an incident with a member of any cabin crew. I respect these people because they do what I never could do. If you are nice to them they will go out of their way to assist people. Sometimes you get a grumpy one, but having people tear you apart in so many directions (Excuse me, Get me, I want), I can understand it so if I need something I will ask another attendant or get up myself and go to the galley. I did get a grumpy one and asked her if I had done something wrong and she apologized and adjusted her attitude.

We all have bad days and they are entitled to have one as well. I can't stand those people who travel who think that the cabin crew is there to "serve" only them. Also, never mess with anyone who has control over your food!! and that includes waiters.

I know an ex-Emirates cabin crew girl. It's 100 percent true about what they do to the food of obnoxious passengers (she said you do have to be REALLY bad to them though...).

No, the black box is only used if an aircraft crashes. It records all the flight data and communications from the aircraft, to air traffic control and other aircraft. In this case, it was obvious where the fault was and was dealt with.

Bora Bora wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Haha my folks have been here for 10 years. Actually my father is just retiring, he's paid his dues big time.

My brother and I keep following my parents around the world, they can't get away from us - although they try their best! We're a very nomadic tribe. Next stop Australia! Well maybe, perfectly happy in DXB at the moment.

I don't think there's anyone here that doesn't know people who work for Emirates. Some of their stories are hilarious! Never piss of the cabin crew - EVER!!!!

I have never ever had an incident with a member of any cabin crew. I respect these people because they do what I never could do. If you are nice to them they will go out of their way to assist people. Sometimes you get a grumpy one, but having people tear you apart in so many directions (Excuse me, Get me, I want), I can understand it so if I need something I will ask another attendant or get up myself and go to the galley. I did get a grumpy one and asked her if I had done something wrong and she apologized and adjusted her attitude.

We all have bad days and they are entitled to have one as well. I can't stand those people who travel who think that the cabin crew is there to "serve" only them. Also, never mess with anyone who has control over your food!! and that includes waiters.

Haha no well I have alot of friends that are crew and pilots, and the stories they tell are hilarious. If you get bad passengers, then they can really get their own back, and who can blame them. It's a tough and challenging job and I have full respect for anyone that does it.

Watch out for the eyedrops!

tail scratching is not normal and has a great potential for total loss of a plane .
It was sheer luck that the plane made it despite hitting objects while trying to get airborne.
it was a new Airbus series with powerful engines, which normally can get speed and uplift rapidly under most circumstances.
They are computer controlled but need to be fed with the correct information before take off.
The pilots realized their mistakes or their responsibility and preferred to take a graceful exit to have an opportunity to be hired by another airline or for an air freight company.
As everybody knows, airline business has to have a safety first philosophy
and Emirates is no exception in this regard and will not take a second chance.
Btw they only need to read the computer info to get an idea what caused the incident happened. no need to to open the black box.

Chocoholic wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:Haha my folks have been here for 10 years. Actually my father is just retiring, he's paid his dues big time.

My brother and I keep following my parents around the world, they can't get away from us - although they try their best! We're a very nomadic tribe. Next stop Australia! Well maybe, perfectly happy in DXB at the moment.

I don't think there's anyone here that doesn't know people who work for Emirates. Some of their stories are hilarious! Never piss of the cabin crew - EVER!!!!

I have never ever had an incident with a member of any cabin crew. I respect these people because they do what I never could do. If you are nice to them they will go out of their way to assist people. Sometimes you get a grumpy one, but having people tear you apart in so many directions (Excuse me, Get me, I want), I can understand it so if I need something I will ask another attendant or get up myself and go to the galley. I did get a grumpy one and asked her if I had done something wrong and she apologized and adjusted her attitude.

We all have bad days and they are entitled to have one as well. I can't stand those people who travel who think that the cabin crew is there to "serve" only them. Also, never mess with anyone who has control over your food!! and that includes waiters.

Haha no well I have alot of friends that are crew and pilots, and the stories they tell are hilarious. If you get bad passengers, then they can really get their own back, and who can blame them. It's a tough and challenging job and I have full respect for anyone that does it.

Watch out for the eyedrops!

Eyedrops?? What exactly do they do with them? And what is the effect?

put them in your coffee and wait

Didn't change my coffee just yet. Should I still drink it?

RobbyG wrote:Didn't change my coffee just yet. Should I still drink it?

Don't stray too far from white porcelain if you do.....

My head starts turning...what should I do...

it's when you start turning inside out you know the drops are working....

You have both been very helpful as usual. (Did I just sound like Chocs?!!!!!)

When will I start puking? Anyone?

I just farted more blood than I could ever imagine. Who should I sue

Chocs or Emirates?

Tell Bora not to worry about puking, it's the other end that you need to keep a tight rein on....

damn, did we just trash ANOTHER thread....? oh, no, it was chocs that started talking about cabin crew being evil.......

Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

I took the 'queue here' sign down already...it's you that's missing out hun...

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

With blood coming out my back end... Only if you realllly want to hon

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

With blood coming out my back end... Only if you realllly want to hon

Wear your adult nappies.

Only if the stewardesses keep drippin' my coffee. Then I'll think about wearing my nappies.

I love Emirates, planning to fly with them out to Dubai. Business Class Can't wait.

Speedhump wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

I took the 'queue here' sign down already...it's you that's missing out hun...

Riiiiiiight!!!! Are you holding it over your head now???

Chocoholic wrote:The two ops pilots, who look after take off and landing, got their weight figures wrong, so obviously as they're going down the runway, the plane is alot heavier than they calculated.

How could they make a huge discrepancy? This hypothesis is Ok for a freighter where payload could differ very much case to case but it's a passenger aircraft...

Red Chief wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:The two ops pilots, who look after take off and landing, got their weight figures wrong, so obviously as they're going down the runway, the plane is alot heavier than they calculated.

How could they make a huge discrepancy? This hypothesis is Ok for a freighter where payload could differ very much case to case but it's a passenger aircraft...

Nooooo, absolutely unacceptable Chief.

As you might know, I myself am aeronautical engineer and worked with combi and full freighters for DHL. Every pallet and cargo container is measured (weight and volume) and put in a computer system that provides the cargo planning department with all data for determining the best load configuration for that particular aircraft type.
The system keeps in account the limits of the aircraft flight envelope for save operational performance and stability in all weather circumstances. This results in a load sheet that is signed by the responsible ground engineer/authority and passed on to the captain for his final check for approval.

The weight and balance systems of today always indicate whether are load configuration is acceptable for that aircraft. These systems don't accept wrong planning unless you select the wrong aircraft type for planning!

But the captain remains the one that has the final decision and check of fuel load, taxi fuel load, cargo payload, passenger load, etc. etc. They have the final responsibility for a safe departure. A technical failure however is not their responsibility. Thats why technicians and engineers are just as important for a company as its pilots. Unfortunately not always (financially) recognised of their importance. The engineers have the signoff capability for technical flight safety. Both parties can be hold accountable for neglect or irresponsible behaviour under law. Thats why they get paid the reasonable amount of money to stay awake while doing their jobs. There are lives at stake.

Having said that. Flying is the safest way of travel because of the rules and regulations involved for safety. If something happens its either a human error (most common) or bad engineering (design/maintenance error).

People (human factor) remain the weakest link in most cases.

So, what is your point for passenger aircraft where load is much more stable? Even you and me can estimate the weight with error of measurement 10%...

Red Chief wrote:So, what is your point for passenger aircraft where load is much more stable? Even you and me can estimate the weight with error of measurement 10%...

10 percent error is the difference between life and dead Chief!
If you have 40 pallet positions on a B747, with an average weight of 3 tons, thats 120 tons of cargo. If you plan that 10% (12 tons) in the nose of that aircraft type (B747-400) then you have a real balance problem relatively to the CG (centre of gravity) on the wing position. It can result in an uncontrollable aicraft or a nose that doesn't wanna come up while rotating!

That probably didn't happen here, since it was able to take off and land again without crashing, but it might be of a lesser error that influence the flight characteristics of the A340 aircraft type.

Its all speculation until the investigation (internal, since it was no accident) is completed. And we will never know about the cause of it, unless Chocs family tell us on this forum what the conclusions were, eventually.

edit: to answer your question;
Passenger aircraft have slightly more margins since the weight of the passenger is not measured. They take an average of your body weight. That gives an error, but can be handled by modern load planning systems. They spread the baggageload and the belly ld3 containers near the wing positions (CG) and a few obese people more or less is normally not an issue. But if you put 100 obese all next to eachother in the back of an aircraft, you also can induce a tailslide

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

RobbyG wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:Better the thread than me. You can get away with that only once!!!

Sorry if you stood in my way.

Well next time I'll let you take the lead.

With blood coming out my back end... Only if you realllly want to hon

Wear your adult nappies.

Cannot hold myself... Well BB..