What The HP Was Doing, When The Danish Embassy Was Burning

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Feb 05, 2006
Well, i do agree with one thing "NO VIOLANCE"

Lets do it this way. "Keep boycotting DENMARK"

lets take it one step at a time. then all other countries will think zillion time when they see this country down.


No violance, do it the "modern" way.

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yshimy wrote:Well, i do agree with one thing "NO VIOLANCE"

Lets do it this way. "Keep boycotting DENMARK"

lets take it one step at a time. then all other countries will think zillion time when they see this country down.


No violance, do it the "modern" way.

Cheers all.


this boycott is making muslims feel better about themselves get them "involved" while the larger issues of Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more serious than any cartoon published anywhere and sadly not even 10% of this public grass roots campaigning and involvment has been directed toward those more serious offenses of the "west" against the muslim world.

I have many questions ..

1) the cartoon was originally published in sep 04 , and re-published last september, why now ?

2)check this out my friends :

http://www.islamcomicbook.com

where is everyone from boycotting the US ? lets see Saudi stop exporting oil to the US. hypocrites.

3)Why hasnt the Muslim public react half the way they have reacted to this issue on other more serious offenses by the west ?


... many more but i think i made my point
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It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.

-Samuel P. Huntington
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Extremely relevant and valid points Maaad
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Really excellent points Maad.......very well said
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Very nice questions touching the sour nerve as we say.

my contribution to these Qs, hope some other forumers reply too.

1) the cartoon was originally published in sep 04 , and re-published last september, why now ?
This issue took the snow ball effect, started small started to get bigger and bigger. First the isalmic community in denmark decided not to over react, they protested and asked for an apology with no reply from the newspaper and even the government said that it is "freedom of speech". Even the Danish Prime minister refused to meet 11 Ambassadors from Arab/Muslim countries.......!!!!!!!
This lead to the snow ball effect of people telling each other, talking to home countries about the destress they are in, and then the exponential curve started to hit the sky and here it is.

The Danish prime minister is asking to meet the Muslim/Arab countries ambasadors. (what an asshole)

The same man appologized about an "anti-jewish" topic was in Danish media. (FREEDOM OF SPEECH MY ASS)

2)check this out my friends :

http://www.islamcomicbook.com

where is everyone from boycotting the US ? lets see Saudi stop exporting oil to the US. hypocrites.


US is a super power, or THE Only super power and the big bully now on earth, you can't have the same conforntation like with the Danes. Stop exporting oil, well, there are alot of things and this is the biggest part of it. but this would lead into a REAL WWIII. For god's sake they hit Afghanistan to have a base to be able to attack Iraq to have their oil, so imagine what they would do if they found that all arabs will not give them oil.... mmmmmm secret word (NUKES)


3)Why hasnt the Muslim public react half the way they have reacted to this issue on other more serious offenses by the west ?

Like what??? but these days the middle east is having a huge transitions, not in their forign policies and this politica bullshit, but in the real people. people are getting closer espcially after the Afhghanistan and Iraq invasion. they know that this is the start of the big plan. (yeah, think i'm paranoid???? this is known scheme from before. yeah conspirecy theory, well guess what you want, it is happening, next syria then Iran)

People in the middle east and the masses are now seeing the danger closer, what happened to the people in Afghanestan and Iraq made them see the danger next door, saw the suffering of their fellows in Abu Gheirb and Guantanamo and even people from their own countries being held there and have actually experienced these suffereings and came home to tell these stories.

And when it come to religion, people are willing to loose their lives, it is more important than the land or countries.

anyway, These are my thoughts, might be right or wrong, but i'm there i'm here in the middle east, i lived all my life in all categories of the Arab/Muslim society and there are my two Cents :)

Cheers

May God give us the strength to save the dignity of our religoin.
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Feb 06, 2006
Excellent point Maad - one the powers that be should answer!

Interestingly, the film Syriana (which was filmed in Dubai!) and stars George Clooney, Matt Damon amongst others excellently shines a light on this issue.

Thoroughly recommend the movie if you can get to see it.

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Though it seems it is banned in Dubai.

Hypocrisy was that it was shown in the film festival....
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With all of this *protesting* by extreme islamic movement sympathisers (I dont want to say muslims or islam, because they are not all lumped togeher) has been getting alot of attention.

However, do not forget about the western youth that is getting sick and tired of dealing with these people. The Western European states are about fed up with having to look over their shoulder because a movement promotes violence and uses a major religion as a vehicle to drive that promotion. Until non-violent muslims will stand up and say they no longer support violent hypocrites using their religion as a basis for violence, then everyone will be lumped together, and the muslim religion will continue to be looked upon as a terrorist movement. You have to dissassociate yourselves from the violent tactics.

It sucks having immigrants come to your country, refuse to adopt your culture, and then start violently protesting over any thing that could possibly ignite.

People have to walk on egg shells around anything islamic, but the president of Iran can openly say the holocaust didnt exist.
The west was very upset over those comments, but did they burn the Iran embassy down? Oh wait, thats coming. Nevermind. :bom:
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Feb 07, 2006
The Koran will not be burned in Denmark. The police will stop it before it will happens.
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Feb 07, 2006
Pacificsurf,

Agree with the no violance idea, disagree with the idea of that these demonstrations are driven through some powers that have a hidden agenda.

http://www.7days.ae/regional-news/attacks-condemned.html
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Excellent point pacificsurf619! And interstig to note that the alleged reports of people sending texts to meet in Copenhagen to burn the Koran never happened! Just people once again trying to whip others into a frenzy.
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Does adpoting culture mean having our women dress like sluts and no longer cover themselves properly?

Does it mean shunning God?

Does it mean espousing pre-marital sex and the entire notion of dating?

Does it mean drinking alchohol and eating bacon?

If it means just one of these things then we will never adopt your culture.

If you mean speaking the language, then of course, all immigrants must in addition to their mother tongue.
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Liban wrote:Does adpoting culture mean having our women dress like sluts and no longer cover themselves properly?

Does it mean shunning God?

Does it mean espousing pre-marital fun and the entire notion of dating?

Does it mean drinking alchohol and eating bacon?

If it means just one of these things then we will never adopt your culture.

If you mean speaking the language, then of course, all immigrants must in addition to their mother tongue.


Liban, Please open your eyes, many so called Muslims do at least the above anyway.
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yshimy wrote:Very nice questions touching the sour nerve as we say.

my contribution to these Qs, hope some other forumers reply too.

1) the cartoon was originally published in sep 04 , and re-published last september, why now ?
This issue took the snow ball effect, started small started to get bigger and bigger. First the isalmic community in denmark decided not to over react, they protested and asked for an apology with no reply from the newspaper and even the government said that it is "freedom of speech". Even the Danish Prime minister refused to meet 11 Ambassadors from Arab/Muslim countries.......!!!!!!!
This lead to the snow ball effect of people telling each other, talking to home countries about the destress they are in, and then the exponential curve started to hit the sky and here it is.

The Danish prime minister is asking to meet the Muslim/Arab countries ambasadors. (what an asshole)

The same man appologized about an "anti-jewish" topic was in Danish media. (FREEDOM OF SPEECH MY a#s)

2)check this out my friends :

http://www.islamcomicbook.com

where is everyone from boycotting the US ? lets see Saudi stop exporting oil to the US. hypocrites.


US is a super power, or THE Only super power and the big bully now on earth, you can't have the same conforntation like with the Danes. Stop exporting oil, well, there are alot of things and this is the biggest part of it. but this would lead into a REAL WWIII. For god's sake they hit Afghanistan to have a base to be able to attack Iraq to have their oil, so imagine what they would do if they found that all arabs will not give them oil.... mmmmmm secret word (NUKES)


3)Why hasnt the Muslim public react half the way they have reacted to this issue on other more serious offenses by the west ?

Like what??? but these days the middle east is having a huge transitions, not in their forign policies and this politica bullshit, but in the real people. people are getting closer espcially after the Afhghanistan and Iraq invasion. they know that this is the start of the big plan. (yeah, think i'm paranoid???? this is known scheme from before. yeah conspirecy theory, well guess what you want, it is happening, next syria then Iran)

People in the middle east and the masses are now seeing the danger closer, what happened to the people in Afghanestan and Iraq made them see the danger next door, saw the suffering of their fellows in Abu Gheirb and Guantanamo and even people from their own countries being held there and have actually experienced these suffereings and came home to tell these stories.

And when it come to religion, people are willing to loose their lives, it is more important than the land or countries.

anyway, These are my thoughts, might be right or wrong, but i'm there i'm here in the middle east, i lived all my life in all categories of the Arab/Muslim society and there are my two Cents :)

Cheers

May God give us the strength to save the dignity of our religoin.


Well said yshimy. Now to Choco and Pacific. Go back to 19 30's newspapers across Europe and North America. Many newspapers were Anti-Semitic. Now after WW2 they are careful of their words and yes the top Jewish controlled media spreads the notion that all Jews are basically victims of holocaust. Newspapers these days are less anti-semitic, do u know why? Not bcos they are respect Jews but bcaos they are afraid of their jobs. Now as yshimy put it, the Muslims in Denmark tried in moderate way to solve the problem but tose rascist fools dont even know what's right from wrong and yes the Danish minister refused to meet with ambassadors so now what? Yes BANG BANG. Now u get the attention cos bad deeds are always more conspicuous than good.
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