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Bora Bora wrote:Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.

After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.

What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.

And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.

When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.

Sorry, got carried away here.

Back to romance.


Excellent post.
Interesting perspective, especially from someone who has been on both sides of the religious-table.

I'm not exactly a 'non-practicing' catholic as I do quietly say my nightly prayers, but I don't visit the Church nearly as often as I should.
I have some serious questions regarding the religion that cannot be answered by anyone but my maker. Hence I simply focus my prayers toward "God".

Having said that, I have a huge amount of respect for the Muslim religion and certain people's dedication toward it. During Ramadan, I observed many more people fast and follow the rules than I observed during Lent.

Either way, I'm off on a tangent. Getting back on track...

I'm intrigued by the Muslim religion but not by the hypocricsy. I would consider aaccepting my future wife's religion, but I would accept the same from her ...

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rudeboy wrote:ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?

If it is Arab Muslims.

We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.

rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.


Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.

After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.

What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.

And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.

When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.

Sorry, got carried away here.

Back to romance.


what saudis and uae ppl get up to is up to them. not all muslims are the same. if someone is committing a sin he or she will be punished by god.

so never think what other muslims are doing, always think how clean your heart is and how truely a muslim u r.


You have an amazing ability to overlook facts that prove you wrong. And as for answering to God, I highly doubt that when it comes your time God will be holding a blank page with your name on it.


bora all i am saying is if some muslim is committing a sin let him do so cos he is questionable to god not to me or you. and if one muslim doesnt fast doesnt mean all the muslims are the same. thats all i am saying.

we all have sinned in our life and I am sure when the time comes god will not have a blank page with my name on it. but am sure he will look at the good deeds i did as well as my bad deeds ;).
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Bora Bora wrote:Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.

After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.

What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.

And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.

When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.

Sorry, got carried away here.

Back to romance.


Excellent post.
Interesting perspective, especially from someone who has been on both sides of the religious-table.

I'm not exactly a 'non-practicing' catholic as I do quietly say my nightly prayers, but I don't visit the Church nearly as often as I should.
I have some serious questions regarding the religion that cannot be answered by anyone but my maker. Hence I simply focus my prayers toward "God".

Having said that, I have a huge amount of respect for the Muslim religion and certain people's dedication toward it. During Ramadan, I observed many more people fast and follow the rules than I observed during Lent.

Either way, I'm off on a tangent. Getting back on track...

I'm intrigued by the Muslim religion but not by the hypocricsy. I would consider aaccepting my future wife's religion, but I would accept the same from her ...


ok you are a catholic and lets say for example you marry a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?

you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.

another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?
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rudeboy wrote:ok you are a catholic and lets say for example a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?

you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.

another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?


Please think before you write...

1. Obviously if I were to marry a woman who was NOT part of my religion, these things would be discussed BEFORE we got married. For the record, I would allow my children to CHOOSE, and support their choices regardless. But thats just me.

2. When my wife is fasting, out of respect, I would fast as well at home or eat outside the house.

3. If I were hungry for a home cooked meal after 7 days while she is fasting, I would suck it up and continue to eat take out, because its a sacrifice I chose to make when I married her.
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rudeboy wrote:ok you are a catholic and lets say for example a devotee muslim who prays 5 times, fasts etc etc. when you guys have kids will they be muslims or catholics?

you said you will accept your wifes religion and you accpet the same from her. thats all good and easy to say. but when you guys have kids i think you gonna have one big argument on the religion which is right for your kids. thats why Islam says that a wife and a husband should be off the same religion.

another question. during fasting when your wife is fasting and you dont fast. you come home really hungry you have been ordering for the past 7 days and you want something home cook. are you going to get your wife to cook something for you while she is fasting?


Please think before you write...

1. Obviously if I were to marry a woman who was NOT part of my religion, these things would be discussed BEFORE we got married. For the record, I would allow my children to CHOOSE, and support their choices regardless. But thats just me.

2. When my wife is fasting, out of respect, I would fast as well at home or eat outside the house.

3. If I were hungry for a home cooked meal after 7 days while she is fasting, I would suck it up and continue to eat take out, because its a sacrifice I chose to make when I married her.
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cool. let me know if you are successful :)
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^ I wouldn't hold my breath.

My previous post applies to non-muslims as well.
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dresden very well written. I agree to the same. If two individuals love each other, then these things are a small price to pay. Its easy to respect each other's space and then grow from there.

People get too stuck up on religion, nationality, financial balance without realising that these things only provide temporary satisfaction. At the end its true love that provides the maximum happiness. Rest all chase the wrong things and realise when it is too late to fix the wrong step taken by them.
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worldguy wrote:dresden very well written. I agree to the same. If two individuals love each other, then these things are a small price to pay. Its easy to respect each other's space and then grow from there.

People get too stuck up on religion, nationality, financial balance without realising that these things only provide temporary satisfaction. At the end its true love that provides the maximum happiness. Rest all chase the wrong things and realise when it is too late to fix the wrong step taken by them.



its very easy to say this that we will respect each others religion but doing it will be really hard. imagine a kid going in school standing up in front of all the other kids and going oh my dads a catholic and my mums a muslim. one day i am a muslim the other day i become a catholic :D sorry but having 2 different religions in a house is going to be really hard.

you mentioned about luv. luv is a fraglie thing which can be broken up easily. there are so many other things you have to take into considerations. culture, family and grand parents. do you think grand parents will easily allow their grand children to follow a religion they dont want them to? and if you disobey them am sure they will dis-own you. other arguments will occurr etc etc and where will be the luv u mention?
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The kid can be both. Why does he have to chose. They can learn from both the religions. Most of the people who are stuck in their careers can hardly devote time and are anyway not religious. Their parents have accepted that and thus they will just be a multi cultural family.

In addition, if you love and decide to get married, you will not allow your grand parents to destroy your relationship. If they can not accept you, then its better they disown then spoil something that is beautiful. If they can not understand what makes their grand kid happy, then its not worth it having such grand parents. In addition, your other half is the only person during our life time that we spend the maximum time with. I will chose them over anybody, till they are respectful of my family and I am respectful of their's. Rest all hardly matters.
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worldguy wrote:The kid can be both. Why does he have to chose. They can learn from both the religions. Most of the people who are stuck in their careers can hardly devote time and are anyway not religious. Their parents have accepted that and thus they will just be a multi cultural family.


Eloquent WG, you stole the words right outta my mouth.

Why does it have to be your religion or my religion? It OUR religion, and we can learn something from them all. At the very least we must respect all religions, as well as religious beliefs weather we have a stake in them or not.
I don't know much about faith and what have you, I just think of religions as heightened philosophy!

But I gotta say Love is highly overrated. For all those who say that Love is all that matters and religion, nationality are irrelevant are sorely wrong.
For instance:-
People from Asia as very culturally and spiritually inclined. It's these beliefs and practices that shape their personalities. If you fall for someone from this part of the world then the onus is on you to understand their beliefs and cultural practices, if want to stay happy. Because to expect them to detach from their upbringing and beliefs will affect their personalities.....and you'll end up wondering, Is this the person I fell for?

So Love is really not enough when it comes to intercultural, inter faith marriages. It takes a mammoth effort for such alliances to work.

In inter faith marriages I see a lot of people change their faiths/ convert to get married. I don't get the logic behind that. In my opinion two religions can also be a very enlightning and enriching experiance.
I particularly liked Bora's take on such alliances, get married if you really like the person and with time as you learn more your partners religion/ way of life, which should come naturally, you can convert. That would be so much more enriching.
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Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....
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InshaALLAH!!!!..........
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Sharp wrote:Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....


Guess that will eventually change. Every country goes through a cycle and UAE is going through one as well. Where is your cousin from?
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Sharp wrote:Well! Perhap's it's offten we see arab's women only hangout with arab guy's...BUT... it's not that quite true!.... i know guy's who have arab's female their good freind's!..... even my Cozin living a beautifull life with is arab wife!.... So it's not an issue!!....


Guess that will eventually change. Every country goes through a cycle and UAE is going through one as well. Where is your cousin from?


Every Culture goes through a Cycle with in the time, n good Change's 're alway's usefull for all living being belong from any culture!....
My Cozin belong from the Poltical family of Pakistan!...
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Exactly and UAE will get better with time. If you throw so many nationalities, it is bound to take a while before people start accepting each other and more importantly understand the various personalities.

Life is a journey, where some build themselves whereas others lose themselves and fall apart.
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I wish everyone Build them self in their Live's!!.............
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It takes a real character to do that and UAE is a place that tests the best of characters. Most of the people do not realise what they have turned into, till they get back to their home countries. I met with a consultant, whose role was helping expats settle down into their home countries agter a stint in UAE. People needed psychologist to help them get back to who they were. Some of things mentioned by him were scary. We all need to do a reality check every now and then to ensure that we have not forgotten our beliefs and have not moved away from our goals and the reason for being in UAE.
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whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...
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:) interseted topic...

I lived in Dubai and Muscat...

I find that Arab guys having all the fun or may be dating no muslims or
no arabs but i find them more flirty and out going plus i think they are good and rich@

however, if some non arab guy wants to date arab gal, its pretty difficult
because mostly arab gals not prefer to talk to them especially asian guys
but if you are western then they do get in touch with you

and if you go out with arab gal dating or even coffee everyone watches
you especially in middle east but europe or other asian countries i find
arab girls dating sometime non arab guys

but in dubai due to attitude plus religion n cultural difference
you might get in touch online but reality will be different:)
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Hmmm It's Dubai!!.....
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Interesting topic, hardly any inputs from the Arab girls.
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asimkh wrote::) interseted topic...

I lived in Dubai and Muscat...

I find that Arab guys having all the fun or may be dating no muslims or
no arabs but i find them more flirty and out going plus i think they are good and rich@

however, if some non arab guy wants to date arab gal, its pretty difficult
because mostly arab gals not prefer to talk to them especially asian guys
but if you are western then they do get in touch with you

and if you go out with arab gal dating or even coffee everyone watches
you especially in middle east but europe or other asian countries i find
arab girls dating sometime non arab guys

but in dubai due to attitude plus religion n cultural difference
you might get in touch online but reality will be different:)


Don't kid yourself. There are plenty of arab girls/women who hook up with Asians. Difference is, they do it on the sly.
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would you care to elaborate?
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karans wrote:would you care to elaborate?


Not on an open forum!!! Al Wasl hospital is full of orphans that clearly are Arab/Indian and Arab/Phillipino.
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what? just left stranded. That sucks. Why is Angelina Jolie and Madonna not been told about the same?
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am arabic and i can explain that by my experience,

arab guys interisting in non arab girls coz non arab girls would give the guys every thing love, fun,s*e*x Free of charge :santa:

on the other side

the arab girls the can give only love and little kisses and they will eat your mind by The subject of marriage :error:
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rookiebot wrote:whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...


I searched on the internet and found that consultants are raking in my helping Europeans settle down from the effects of UAE. its because they adapted to the things here, which are lot different from things back in their country. This does surprise me, as I thought they would bring their culture and style here, but just brought their frustrations and constant cribbing. This is not how they are in Europe. The sun does take a toll.
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rudeboy wrote:ok. when you say arabs do you mean the arab christians or arab muslims?

If it is Arab Muslims.

We follow what our holly book ‘the Quran’ says. The Quran tells us that its forbidden for a muslim man or woman to marry a non-muslim person even if he/she liked him, except if that person converted to Islam. It’s a rule which we have to follow. It is for the benefit of that muslim. coz getting engaged to someone who doesn’t know anything about islam may inject him/her with thoughts or whatever that may harm his/her faith. Let take some examples, could you tell me how could a muslim person live in the same house with a non-muslim person in Ramadan while one is taking his daily meals, the other stands watching him/her with a starving stomach. And while One want to make love, the other can’t simply because he’s fasting.And while One doesn’t drink wine, the other has the fridge full of wine bottles and so on. It’s rediculous, how could they co-exist. One of them must join the other’s believes and this is what islam is warning us about. But if a muslim person didn’t want to follow the quran rule,well, it’s up to him. Allah will have his fair justice upon him.

rules are not meant to be broken. quran and islam are not double standards. in quran and islam men & women are equal.


Well I can speak from personal experience. When I married, my husband was muslim, I a non-practicing Christian. I totally respected his religion and beliefs. I brought many of his religious practices and his culture into my life. Although non-muslim I made it a point to comply and respect his religious practices. Because I did not practice my faith did not mean he should not practice his.

After 4 years of marriage, I made the decision to convert to Islam. I knew I had all the basics that Islam asked of an individual so conversion was not hard for me.

What we do outside of religious practice does not hurt anyone and it is on us. I would rather answer to a higher power for drinking alcohol than having to answer for mistreating other people, or for being greedy, or for getting through life based on lies.

And FYI when I came to the UAE I was never so disappointed in the way Islam was NOT practiced by Muslims - in particular, locals. There is such hipocrasy in the UAE. What sickens me during Ramadan is the way people eat as if it was their last meal, laden their tables with food, and then throw out what remains. During Ramadan I keep it very simple and try to eat at home as much as possible and cook just enough to be eaten. Anything left over is eaten the next nite. We invite people to break fast with us and I keep it just as simple. If they want fancy, then they could go to a restaurant.

When I would fast at work, Saudi and UAE locals would be having their lunch delivered or drinking coffee and they all had the same excuse - I have a bad stomach. In Cairo I see a much more stronger, pure and true practice of the faith than I do here.

Sorry, got carried away here.

Back to romance.


You would again type somthing about like i should keep point in posting, BUT Bora Bora.. i really like it, i did not know you think in that way.. well very nice.
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rookiebot wrote:whaaat!! ... ive been in uae all my life ... if worldguy is true i'd be freakin frankenstein by the time i reach my home country ...


I searched on the internet and found that consultants are raking in my helping Europeans settle down from the effects of UAE. its because they adapted to the things here, which are lot different from things back in their country. This does surprise me, as I thought they would bring their culture and style here, but just brought their frustrations and constant cribbing. This is not how they are in Europe. The sun does take a toll.


I have saw in the program where they said in UAE it's a mix Culture Country!... Poeple have the club's n also masjid... now it's up to the person where he want's to go!.. just mentioning here about the Porgram to making Clear, It's Just depend's on the people living here what they want to take n give.. if My self willing to spend my night in Club or pray in masjid.. i have freedom to do what i want but with careing the law!...
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