Women "breast ironing"...

kanelli

Even if Islam claims to treat women very well, the fact remains that the Quran says that women must cover themselves to hide their attributes from men who might take advantage. On the one hand there are good intentions behind that, but on the other hand it makes it acceptable for men to disrespect women who are not covered. The women are made responsible for men's bad behaviour, which is wrong. This is exactly the same kind of thing as female circumscision and breast ironing - the men are not held accountable for their sexual deviance and lack of respect for women. Patriarchal cultures around the world have imposed many restrictions on women, whereas men have not faced such radical practices and unequal treatment under matriarchal societies (to my knowledge). Perhaps Corcovado knows more about that.

xibit

I already knew about female circumcision (better called female genital mutilation) but this was definitely news for me...

omg !!

damn female circumsicion, is that even physically possible !!
what the hell do they circumsize ?? i really wanna know.

where and why do they do it

Nick81

I already knew about female circumcision (better called female genital mutilation) but this was definitely news for me...

omg !!

damn female circumsicion, is that even physically possible !!
what the hell do they circumsize ?? i really wanna know.

where and why do they do it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

xibit

^^ damn this is some new and disgusting info for me. ppl need education

Liban

Uhhh.... This crap and femal circumcision have NOTHING to do with Islam.

Corcovado

Even if Islam claims to treat women very well, the fact remains that the Quran says that women must cover themselves to hide their attributes from men who might take advantage. On the one hand there are good intentions behind that, but on the other hand it makes it acceptable for men to disrespect women who are not covered. The women are made responsible for men's bad behaviour, which is wrong. This is exactly the same kind of thing as female circumscision and breast ironing - the men are not held accountable for their fun deviance and lack of respect for women. Patriarchal cultures around the world have imposed many restrictions on women, whereas men have not faced such radical practices and unequal treatment under matriarchal societies (to my knowledge). Perhaps Corcovado knows more about that.

Kanelli ur so right .. in a world ful of ignorance.. male deminated the society.. and treated women as objects and some cultures and religions emphisized on this...leaving women helpless and used as breeding machines only... in ancient times women ruled.. and were warriors and queens...and they were worshiped ..it was a female society ... it was a better society ...

kanelli

I agree Corcovado 😎

Nick81

Again this is too easy of an answer.

The best thing that could happen in the world today is divide power EQUALLY between men and women, and FINALLY dissociate politics and religion.

Dubai_Knight

I have encountered local ladies who are quite liberated in their actions and thinking however are unable to 'be seen' out without their abaya and sheyla as they are afraid that they will be seen to be 'of loose morals' by the local men here.

However, I see numerous local men who are perfectly willing to dress in western style, including revealing shorts and t-shirts, without feeling any sense of 'loose morals'. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen a man dressed this way, whilst his wife walks alongside him completely covered.

It just smacks of hypocritical double standards to me...

😮 😮 😮

Knight

kanelli

I have encountered local ladies who are quite liberated in their actions and thinking however are unable to 'be seen' out without their abaya and sheyla as they are afraid that they will be seen to be 'of loose morals' by the local men here.

However, I see numerous local men who are perfectly willing to dress in western style, including revealing shorts and t-shirts, without feeling any sense of 'loose morals'. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen a man dressed this way, whilst his wife walks alongside him completely covered.

It just smacks of hypocritical double standards to me...

😮 😮 😮

Knight

Exactly. I made the same observation in another thread.

Moester

it's amazing how something that outragous and physically and mentally and logically unacceptable can be even linked to Islam.

before prophet Mohammed people used to bury their daughters alive because they are afriad of the shame a girl can bring to her family, so this female opression was going on for way long time ago so, don't try to attach any kind of violence against women to Islam.

no one is questioning the way the non muslims women live their lives because no one has the right to, so isn't it fair to do the same thing for muslim women too?

kanelli

Did I miss where people were blaming Islam for breast ironing and female circumcision?

Moester

no i didn't mean that, but somehow the thread went from talking about those things to how muslim women cover themselves, which was a bit amazing.

kanelli

Because we are talking about the practices that men put upon women in male-dominated societies and religions.

tdot

no one was blaming Islam, but someone linked "muslim culture" with this thread. Men are to equally cover up as are woman in Islam and it's the hypocrisy that is evident in the world today that people say one thing and do another. In any case the world was a better place 20+ years ago before men like Dubya Bush took control....

kanelli

tdot, it is very childish when people bring up George Bush all the time. He is an ass, but Hitler, Mugabe, Hussein and many other leaders have made this world an unpleasant place as well. Let's stick to the topic and not try to pin anything related to this subject on George Bush, the USA or capitalism.

tdot

I guess you're American....and I don't see how it's childish, but anyhow yes there are other corrupt leaders and its just that Bush is the biggest one right now.

Nick81

tdot, it is very childish when people bring up George Bush all the time. He is an a#s, but Hitler, Mugabe, Hussein and many other leaders have made this world an unpleasant place as well. Let's stick to the topic and not try to pin anything related to this subject on George Bush, the USA or capitalism.

Damn u beat me to it... I was going to post the same thing... 😂

MaaaD

No she is Israeli .. I blame the Mossad for this one.

tdot

hehe, Isreali? she forgot to add Sharon to her list.

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