Islam and fascism - similarities

shafique

🙄 You really must learn to distinguish between your day job (writer of fiction) and reality.

Cheers,

Shafique

herve

why dont you publish your rants, is your name shafique boohnooh or something?

shafique

You're a fiction writer who believes in myths such as the internet hoax about Hamas 'paedophillia marriages'

You even invent myths and conspiracy theories - such as I am 'DearJohn'. Now you've come up with a conspiracy myth that I don't read the Quran! 🙄

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Why don't you want to compare the KEY CHARACTERISTICS of fascism with Islam?

Anything on the list you don't think is found in Islam or Muslim sentiment?

shafique

There's no need - anyone and everyone can easily compare the teachings of Islam (core and peripheral) with fascism and make up their own minds whether the Islamophobic myth has any merits.

When even Niall Fergusson etc say this myth is simplistic and inaccurate, there's really no doubt about this being a myth.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Struggle and death are glorious - cult of heroism

Let's start out with the above similarity between fascism and Islam - Islam's death cult:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_VOjGXpyIU

We desire death like you desire life

Prophet Muhammad - By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

Khalid B. Walid - You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life.

Death cult.

But my personal favorite:

Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords

Struggle and death are glorious - cult of heroism - key characteristic of fascism; key characteristic of Islam

shafique

The only problem eh is that you are confusing the Islamophobic blogger version of Islam with reality.

Why not address why credible experts explain why your myth is simplistic and inaccurate?

Cheers,

Shafique

Flying_Dutchman

Why not address why credible experts explain why your myth is simplistic and inaccurate?

In general, people make up their own minds instead of hiding behind opinions of others. Why not simply just addressing the points, of which some are certainly valid IMHO.

shafique

I happen to agree with the reasons given by the experts why the myth is both simplistic and historically inaccurate.

The myth only makes sense if one believes in a charicature of Islam that only Islamophobic bloggers believe - when we look at the reality of Islam it is pretty easy to reach the same conclusions that Fergusson et al have reached.

Each has to make up their mind whether to believe the comparisons and examples eh has produced or whether to believe me and the experts quoted who state that this is a myth. There's enough info already for people to make up their own minds.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred. - Prophet Muhammad

I guess all those suicide bombers in the Muslim world - and the Muslim communities who praise them - are a myth as well.

Muhammad said "know that Paradise is under the shades of swords".

Sounds like glorifiying struggle and death to me - a key characteristic of shafique's fascist religion.

shafique

You really should stop guessing eh - just because your blogger version of Islam is what you want to believe in, does not make it reality.

But your fight is not actually with me, you should convince the right of centre experts such as Niall Fergusson who disagree with you and say your belief is a myth, and simplistic one at that.

Good luck with that.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Your argument is not with me but your own "prophet" who said:

Pretty disturbing.

Which sounds like glorifying struggle (and death/violence) to me.

And is one of the key characteristics of fascism.

shafique

Let me know when you have convinced a right-wing historian who says your belief is a myth, then you can try convincing Muslims you know best. Deal?

Let me know how you get on.

Which reminds me, you claimed that you would e-mail an expert to see if she agreed with your belief about honour killings being linked to Islamic teachings - was that just another hollow boast on your part? Or can we call that a lie?

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Why?

Does the historian have a special decoder ring to determine if the following passage glorifies struggle - a key characteristic of fascism?

> By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

❗

shafique

Why?

Because the right-wing historian is telling you that the myth that you desperately want to believe in is simplistic and just wrong. Your snippets aren't helping you address this fundamental issue.

When you convince him, then you can try convincing Muslims.

As I said, Good luck.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

But I thought fascism is right wing? So why would an "extreme" right-wing historian want to associate Islam with something that's on his side of the political spectrum?

A historian being "right-wing" and "admitting" there is no connection between Islam and fascism is not bias free as you seem to want others to believe.

Btw, where can I pick up the decoder rings to "correctly" read passages from the Koran and hadith that otherwise sound an awful lot like fascism to me?

shafique

Well, we've seen how your logic has led you to believe in talking donkeys, the earth rotating, the crusades not being holy wars and a plethora of other 'interesting' beliefs.

However, on this one - your challenge is to convince a fellow right-winger who does know what he is talking about and states that the myth you believe in is just not true.

I happen to agree with him on this assessment. I'm sure he will also not agree with you about talking donkeys.. why don't you ask him that too?

😉

Cheers,

Shafique

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Why is being a "right winger" (does he share your 7th century worldview?) have any bearing on one's belief that Islam has in common key characteristics of fascism?

We can simply look at the texts and teachings of Islam to see if Islam shares anything in common with fascism.

No need to rely on a historian (who would probably agree with me on these particulars) or special decoder rings to interpret what my own lying eyes tell me the texts of Islam say.

shafique

I guess that is 'no I can't persuade even a right-wing historian' that he's wrong to dismiss the myth as simplistic and wrong.

Again, quoting FD: 'I thought so'.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

You still haven't asnwered why being "right wing" is relevant.

I assume it's a complex question.

But don't let the similarities between Islam and fascism get you confused.

Does Islam glorify struggle?

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