Iran - New Sanctions

shafique

Yep, that just about sums it up (sarcasm noted, though) 😉. (I could add that Iran hasn't actually invaded any country in centuries.. but you knew that..)

I had similar discussions with guys who insisted that Saddam had WMD - my view at the time was that that was an excuse. I smell the same fishiness this time round with Iran.

Cheers,
Shafique

Dillon

Yes Shaf, you're right again of course and the rest of the world is wrong, again. 🙄

shafique

Whole world? Hmm - a bit presumptious of you there, I think. Am I really the ONLY one who thinks it is about Oil and Gas? Really?

But yet again, I remember EXACTLY the same argument for Saddam's WMD - 'the whole world can't be wrong', at the same time that many were indeed questioning the 'official' line.

Cheers,
Shafique

melika969

Hey all, thanks for your comments and concerns. Sorry for my late replyi have been moving and didnt have internet access.
Chocs, the tactic u mentioned might be an option for regime. One external enemy and a war might give this opportunity to mullahs to unite with their own people. But I dont see it very probable.because the situation is very different from the time of war with Iraq. In that time people has just come out od eevolution and had this urge to become free, but now after 30 years of suffering I dont see anyone ready to fight..
Shaf is right about the translation.but as agmadinejad had made these threats in different occasions, I understad how a nuclear Iran can be such a big threat.
Honestly I dont care if they want to take Iran oil. In Shah time,they used to take Iran oil and people were happy and proud. Why should we give it away to support hamas and bashar assad?

Nucleus

He should have gone at the last elections but the mullah's rigged the vote to keep their mouthpiece, what makes you think the next elections are going to be any different? The Mullahs are pulling the strings in Iran, I don't think which puppet they use really matters. The threats from the US and Israel? it is my understanding the threats are coming from the regime in Iran and the rest of the world is reacting to those threats.

Majority of Iranians are shia, and they are religious. They are more than 50% at least. How does that play for Ahmadinijad, well they can vote other religious candidates, but with all the threats from outside it is probably shifting more people in his favor. I'm not a fan of Ahmadinijad and I didn't like how recently they didn't have sunni minority held eid prayers. But I've to be fair, and I don't see war as a solution it will make things worse for everyone.

event_horizon

Whole world? Hmm - a bit presumptious of you there, I think. Am I really the ONLY one who thinks it is about Oil and Gas? Really? But yet again, I remember EXACTLY the same argument for Saddam's WMD - 'the whole world can't be wrong', at the same time that many were indeed questioning the 'official' line.

No, of course not.

Many in the tin-foil hat brigade believe the Iraq war was over oil or something or other.

I sincerely doubt your credibility about your claim that you knew the "truth" about Iraq's WMD's.

Sure you did. Just like you don't retroactively claim you never said something in the very thread you said it.

shafique

Many in the tin-foil hat brigade believe the Iraq war was over oil or something or other.

I sincerely doubt your credibility about your claim that you knew the "truth" about Iraq's WMD's

You seem to forget that some of the biggest marches in UK history were in the run up to invasion of Iraq and were by people who very specifically were questioning the WMD claims. Similar marches took place around the world and there was no shortage of people stating very publically and very loudly ahead of the invasion that it was not justified.

I'm afraid this is one aspect of (recent) history you're going to have a lot of trouble putting a revisionist spin on. Indeed I was sceptical of each supposed 'discovery' of WMD in the first weeks of the invasion - I remember 'truck factories' being discovered and publicised, only to have a small disclaimer a few days later saying it wasn't really what they thought.

Mel - thanks for confirming the translation was correct. As for a nuclear Iran being a concern, I also understand that aspect too - but my previous comments still stand, and I have looked at each subsequent report/instance of Ahmadinejad supposedly threatening Israel.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Sure they did.

Go ahead and post links that protesters didn't believe Iraq had any chemical weapons.

Happy to see you try to revise history from "it doesn't matter if Iraq has chemical weapons" to "Iraq doesn't have chemical weapons" line of the protesters.

Flying_Dutchman

MEMRI (its text of the speech is available here) is headed by a former Isareli military intelligence officer and has sometimes been attacked for alleged distortion of Farsi and Arabic quotations for the benefit of Israeli foreign policy. On this occasion they supported the doveish view of what Ahmadinejad said.

Chocoholic

event horizon , Of course the whole Iraq thing was about the oil! How about you actually speak to people who worked there during the conflict. It was never EVER about WMD. And I'm sick to death of all the stories that go around, unless you actually know and talk to people who were there, who knew what was going on, don't believe all the garbage the media spewed out. No one can know exactly what was going on unless they were actually there.

Flying_Dutchman

No one can know exactly what was going on unless they were actually there.

event_horizon

event horizon , Of course the whole Iraq thing was about the oil! How about you actually speak to people who worked there during the conflict. It was never EVER about WMD. And I'm sick to death of all the stories that go around, unless you actually know and talk to people who were there, who knew what was going on, don't believe all the garbage the media spewed out. No one can know exactly what was going on unless they were actually there

Do the Chinese who own the copper mines in Afghanistan and oil fields in Iraq know this?

shafique

Of course the whole Iraq thing was about the oil! How about you actually speak to people who worked there during the conflict. It was never EVER about WMD.

Spot on Chocs.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Yeah, I'll wait for the first supertanker full of oil to make it's way to the US before I believe in conspiracy theories that are based on popular belief or innuendo.

shafique

It's amazing to find someone who still believes the spin that Iraq had WMD. Bravo eh, you continue to surprise me with your beliefs.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Pray tell, what does your post have anything to do with what I wrote above?

Err, because I don't believe in your conspiracy theory works out to what you wrote?

More of your "brilliant" "logic", I see.

shafique

I relates to your beliefs expressed in this thread about Iraq, WMDs and how the sabre rattling against Iran isn't like the sabre rattling against Iraq.

If you are going to get me to explain every obvious post to you multiple times, it will get tedious. 🙄

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

So your incoherent post and incoherent reply had nothing to do with what I wrote.

I see when conspiracy theories are addressed head on you change topic and accuse your opponent of XYZ.

But seriously, how much oil has the United States stolen from Iraq?

Give me the figures.

shafique

eh - it is no skin off my nose if you want to believe the spin about Iraq's WMD etc. As I said above, I just found it amazing that someone still believes this today.

Your beliefs are your own - I'm not sure why you want me to validate/repudiate them for you.

Cheers,

Shafique

event_horizon

Troll, where did I even mention anything about WMD's in my last several posts?

You're irredeemably braindead.

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