Forced mariage stoped by Australian court

shafique

LOL - loons and their weird beliefs eh!

You can smell eh's desperation - wanting to believe a rogue loon misinterpretation rather than the clear evidence provided. 🙄

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

That you can't actually argue against my position says it all.

Nucleus

That you can't actually argue against my position says it all.

You don't really have a position. " and those who have not menstruated as yet." doesn't mean prepubescent. Mensuration happens in cycles and one sign of pregnancy is mensuration cycle stops, hence, the verse says for those who have not menstruated to wait.

shafique

However you dress up this misinterpretation, it is still the only basis of the loon (Islamophobic) argument that Islam allows paedophillia - and is quite hilarious how hard you have to work to ignore what Islam actually teaches: that s.ex outside marriage, forced marriages and paedophillia are all not allowed.

prof - did you watch the video above, and did you not understand the clear evidence in the video? It appears you haven't. (And you do realise that you need to look at the underlying Arabic, and not the English translation - don't you?)

Good try though.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I suggest you watch the video and then you'll understand why it is dangerous to believe what eh and other Islamophobes tell you about Islam - and why they are deliberately misinterpreting this verse.

There are a number of sources online where you can check the translation and meaning of Quranic verses - but the short-cut would be to watch the video.

Cheers,
Shafique

Dillon

I don't refer to youtube for my information, I prefer more reliable sources.

Might I suggest Professor, that you read the comments and the questions posed to Shafique by Event Horizon and the other “Loons and Islamophobes” Shafique so derogatorily and readily attempts to label and discredit all his critics with, and which still remain unanswered, before you finally decide on which side of the fence you may wish to sit! None of which are available on YouTube!

😂

Nucleus

I didn't watch the video. I was merely correcting Nucleaus' incorrect interpretation of 'as yet'.

lol, the verse says to wait 3 months who have not mensurated yet. Short wait period makes it obvious it is talking about mensuration cycle. Here is the summary of the verses: 1. If divorce is before having sex then no wait period. 2. If there is no mensuration then wait for 3 months to make sure there no pregnancy. Verse even later mentions pregnancy. In case there is pregnancy then father is responsible for taking care of the expenses of the women till child birth, and maybe after that depending on the situation.

Nucleus

English is not my first language, but "as yet" looks like in the context to the mensuration in the menstrual cycle. In any case, it doesn't make sense to take it as prepubescent, because waiting period is to clear any doubts about pregnancy. Arabic doesn't have "as yet," in Arabic it reads "and the ones who do not menstruate"

Here is Mohammad Asad's translation which is more clear:

Now as for such of your women as are beyond, the age of monthly courses, as well as for such as do not have any courses, their waiting-period - if you have any doubt [about it] - shall be three months; and as for those who are with child, the end of their waiting-term shall come when they deliver their burden...

shafique

I don't refer to youtube for my information, I prefer more reliable sources.

Well, I'd then imagine you wouldn't take a loon quote at face value and embarrass yourself the way that you have.

You focussed on the word 'yet' and had you done a quick look up to see whether this word appears in the Quran you would have found that it doesn't. It is dangerous to rely on a loon giving a reference or quote.

Some English translations insert the word 'yet' but do so in brackets to show that it doesn't appear in the original Arabic.

Had you watched the video and taken note of the references and evidence, you'd have avoided this school-boy error.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying_Dutchman

Here's the video, with all the evidence in it.... Again! 🙄

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDSyruxyW4

Cheers,
Shafique

So, for how long are you going to push this video throught everybody's throat and repeat it again and again? Its really sick how you want to push your TRUTH through everybody's throat and consider other opinions bacteria!

gertrude

This video is irrelevant anyways. from an unknown speaker with no references

shafique

Denial of loons is never pleasant to watch.

What is laughable is that the eh's sole argument is a misinterpretation of one verse of the Quran which talks about divorce. The video addresses this verse and gives clear evidence from the Quran, Hadith and even science to make clear what Islam actually teaches, rather than what loons fantasise it teaches.

Of course, instead of addressing the evidence we get the usual 'sour grapes' denials. 😉

And in any case, given nucleus hadn't watched the video and thanked me for posting it again - why are you getting your knickers in a twist FD. Stop thinking that everything revolves around you. Your stalking of me is distinctly creepy.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The embarrassing part is that the word 'yet' does not appear in the verse - and reputable translations show this clearly.

I certainly would have been embarrassed if I discovered this after typing out a long mail explaining the meaning of the word 'yet'. But that's just me. 😉

I understand why you want to change the subject, but I'm at a loss why you think stating what Islam actually teaches on the subject is a 'one trick pony'? 😀

Cheers,
Shafique

gertrude

Shafique, do you know who is the lecturer on this video?

shafique

gertrude, the video was posted for the Quranic, Hadith and scientific evidence on the subject.

I don't personally know the guy who put the video together, but his compilation of the evidence is excellent and has been presented to counter the one misinterpretation of a verse about divorce.

Why not tackle the evidence?

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying_Dutchman

Stop thinking that everything revolves around you. Your stalking of me is distinctly creepy.

You really are that stunted, that you can only parrot others.

shafique

🙄

Please stop stalking me - try sticking to the thread topic.

Cheers,
Shafique

gertrude

gertrude, the video was posted for the Quranic, Hadith and scientific evidence on the subject.

I don't personally know the guy who put the video together, but his compilation of the evidence is excellent and has been presented to counter the one misinterpretation of a verse about divorce.

Why not tackle the evidence?

Cheers,
Shafique

Ok, so if you don't know him, what's his name? so I can look him up

event_horizon

As yet = 'those who did not menstruate'

The Qur'an says in Arabic:

واللائي لم يحضن" فعدتهن ثلاثة أشهر

"and those who never had menses" (because they are underage)

Quran 65:4
Tafsir from al-Islam.com

Wa Al-Lā'ī Lam Yaĥiđna

wa ( وَ ) = and

Al-Lā'ī ( وَاللَّائِي ) = for those who

Lam ( لَمْ ) = did not (negation in past tense)

Yaĥiđna ( يَحِضْنَ ) = menstruate.

Yaĥiđna comes from the verbal root H-Y-D ( حيض ) which means "to menstruate".

The addition of prefix "Ya" and suffix "na" to the root "HYD" shows that the word is used in used in third person, feminine gender, plural, imperfective aspect.

The imperfective aspect, by itself lacks any tense feature. The tensed negatives like lam ( لَمْ ) (negation in past tense), lan ( لن ) (negation in future tense), laa ( لَ ) (negation in present tense) combined with imperfectives decide the tense in this case.

Thus lam Yadrus = He did not study.

In the verse 65:4, Lam Yaĥiđna = 'those who did not menstruate'.

Further the imperfective verb in the context of lam ( لَمْ ) (past tensed negatives) is in the Jussive mood.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an#Detailed_analysis_of_the_verse_in_Arabic

gertrude

Very disturbing article released on Nov 17, exposing how 8,000 little girls in the UK every year, are forced to marry Pakistani Muslim men.
Fortunately, more people are speaking up now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2062425/Forced-marriages-Modern-slave-trade-8k-British-girls-year-forced-wed-will.html

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