The Demise of Islam

event_horizon

Hi Mahmoud, have you heard of this recent attack by any chance?

Don't know what the media in Egypt is like:

Posted GMT 10-1-2011 1:44:13

After Friday prayers today, a mob of several thousand Muslims from the village of Elmarinab in Edfu, Aswan province, demolished and torched St. George's church, which was being renovated. The mob demolished the dome, walls and columns, then went to the church depot where the lumber to be used for construction was stored and torched it. The fire lasted 2 hours but the attack continued until 7 PM.

In an interview on Coptic TV channel, Father Salib of St. George's Church said "the Imam of one of the village mosques called on the people to take matter in their own hands, he added. Other witnesses named the Imam as Sheikh Sabry.

According to eyewitnesses the Muslims also torched a large depot of electrical goods owned by a Copt, a supermarket and four Coptic homes. Muslims prevented the fire brigade from entering the village. Security forces, which were present, "stood there watching," said Mr.Michael Ramzy, a social worker at the church.

http://www.aina.org/news/20110930204413.htm

Perhaps this explains why tens of thousands of Copts are fleeing Egypt since the toppling of Mubarak?

shafique

From January 2011:

The number of converts to Islam in the UK has nearly doubled in the last decade, with over half of them being white females, a new study has found.

The report by Kevin Brice of Swansea University shows that the number of people converting to Islam has risen from about 60,000 in 2001 to about 100,000 in 2010.

The publication, entitled A Minority within a Minority: A Report on Converts to Islam in the United Kingdom, was based on three surveys, one of which found 56 per cent of respondents to be white British and 62 per cent female.

Published on Tuesday on behalf of Faith Matters, a UK charity, the report stated that there have been 5,200 conversions to Islam in the last year alone.

"This is a group of people whose lives are very much a part of British society and their religious affiliations are just a part of that," said Brice

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/01/201115141940879721.html

Report here:
http://faith-matters.org/resources/publicationsreports/218-report-on-converts-to-islam-in-the-uk-a-minority-within-a-minority

It appears that reports of the demise of Islam are exaggerated. No surprises there, then.

Cheers,
Shafique

Flying_Dutchman

I have seen some white converts to Islam. You guys can have them! Right up your ally.

shafique

Sour grapes FD, is this the level of your discussion now? 🙄

Cheers,
Shafique

Mahmoud04

apologies EH, I decided to stop bla bla bla with you, you don't respond to my posts, and keep bringing $#it without getting full stories. your posts are smelling like f#rts to me, I will just accept to smell them.

DearJohn

I have seen some white converts to Islam. You guys can have them! Right up your ally.

Mining marmite is right up your alley.

event_horizon

apologies EH, I decided to stop bla bla bla with you, you don't respond to my posts, and keep bringing $#it without getting full stories. your posts are smelling like f#rts to me, I will just accept to smell them.

What exactly is it about reporting Muslim violence against others that we all need to walk on egg shells over?

I don't recall anyone telling you or our resident google scholar you can't post stories blaming YT or Israel because you two are discussing a subject you know nothing about.

shafique

eh - you've been rumbled.

Your weak attempt to save herve from himself by changing the subject of his failure, has failed.

Why don't you spend some time addressing your own failed topics - there's a whole list of them, from showing us you weren't lying when you claimed Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist group the Hutaree have political motivations, to explaining your logic why Jews and Muslims are dumb for being circumcised and yet believing that God Himself (as you believe) was circumcised himself. You can leave talking donkeys til last.

This thread is about herve's failed loon theory about the demise of Islam.

Cheers,
Shafique

herve

Among many other reasons: In 25 years the oil reserve of the Islamic countries will dry up. The implication for oil dependent Muslim countries are disastrous because Islamic countries are not productive. They lack technology and they suffer from brain drain. Al shafique , Sym, and desertdud are a perfect example. All Islamic countries with the exception of those that have oil are poor.
Half of the population does not work (women) and the other half waste 20% of their time in prayers, not to mention that ramadan waste another month. with such wasted time, they will never be able to beat the western productivity.
Millions of Muslims from all Islamic countries invade us in the search of a better life, but when they start demanding special privileges to practice and promote their religion and when they try tto ake advantage of the democracy in their host countries and start building mosques calling those who resist islamophobe and strive to eradicate that democracy, IT BACFIRES, then people read the quran and learn the truth about the quran, and about the moslem parasites. In the UK, 60 % of the recipients of social aid are moslem. Eventually people wake up and kick their a$$es out.
So...take over will not happen, and because islam cannot survive without expansion it will collapse on itself.
There are more moslems who leave islam than there are who convert to islam. islam grows only by procreation because of high rate births.

shafique

Fail.

Loon theory:

islam grows only by procreation because of high rate births.

Reality:

The report by Kevin Brice of Swansea University shows that the number of people converting to Islam has risen from about 60,000 in 2001 to about 100,000 in 2010.

The publication, entitled A Minority within a Minority: A Report on Converts to Islam in the United Kingdom, was based on three surveys, one of which found 56 per cent of respondents to be white British and 62 per cent female.

(And that is just in the UK)

Cheers,
Shafique

herve

you failed to register that i said that there are more poeple who leave islam , than poeple who convert to islam.
so what if 100,000 idiots converted to islam if at the same time 150,000 smarts left islam, you got that al shafique?
your number is irrelevant, what matters is the balance, and for islam , it s minus.
between moslems they can multiply all they want, they still will collapse on themselves.

Pew study finds Islam loses as many adherents via conversion as it gains. Growing numbers only due to high birth rate etc.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

Communism, nazism, they disapeared, islam is next al shafique, if i were you, i would go to a church and convert now.

shafique

Yes, I did fail to see any evidence for your loon theory.

The evidence I have seen is that the Muslim community in Europe (and globally) is increasing and will continue to increase.

All credible sources say this - even though the rate of increase is projected to reduce over time in Western Europe, but the rate of growth will still be about double that of non-Muslims.

Fantasising that 150,000 Muslims left Islam does not explain why the population of Muslims in the UK is increasing and not decreasing.

Fail. Again.

Cheers,
Shafique

Bora_Bora

Herve, you should be scared, very scared.

From: http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm

As of mid 2010, we accept the Pew Forum's estimate 1.57 billion as the most reliable estimate.

With that number, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants -- a little over 2 billion.

Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population.

Please refer to the last column in the chart:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

Word of caution Herve: the next time you check into a motel (I believe a hotel is beyond your budget 😂 ) check the dresser drawers - you might find a Koran sitting beside a Bible.

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The Christian population in western countries has been on the decline. It's not to say that Christians converted to another religion, but the majority are more likely lapsed practitioners. This decrease in population was brought on by no other than the Catholic Church itself.

There is a growing population of people from all religions who, for one reason or another, stopped "practicing" their religion. These people more than likely have limited their belief to believing in God, living on the the basic knowledge as to knowing good from bad/right from wrong, and go through life based on reality, rather than what is dictated by a religion.

event_horizon

I just read an article on the number of Muslims in the West leaving Islam a few days ago. It's too bad I didn't bother bookmarking the article to go back to read what it said. I believe it said more people were leaving Islam in the West each year than converting to the religion.

Then again, I have to wonder, who are these converts to Islam I should be impressed with?

The ones that make the headlines are the nutters like Tony Blair's sister-in-law who is a propagandist for the regime in Iran and has expressed since her conversion the common Muslim conspiracy theories.

shafique

eh - another rogue quote from a loon blogger perhaps?

Anyway, as I said to herve above - every credible source says that Islam is far from declining. herve's post is just wishful thinking.

Then again, given you agree with Brievik's Islamophobia - if indeed Islam is on the wane, does that mean he's wrong in his Islamophobic fear of Muslims taking over 'Christian' Europe?

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

A quick search shows 75% of new converts become apostates in the US:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8EC8-aVlrE

I don't have audio so you'll have to watch it yourself and tell me what the video says is accurate.

I also have this article claiming 15,000 Muslims convert to Christianity each year in France. If true, that's more than the number of converts to Islam in Britain where evangelism in the Muslim community there is much more involved:

Around 15,000 Muslims each year are converting to Christianity - around 10,000 to Catholicism and 5,000 to Protestantism.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://zeenews.india.com/Zee-Exclusive/2007-02-06/352375news.html&date=2011-09-18

shafique

So eh, taking all your stats into consideration - isn't Islam still growing in the USA and France as the Pew figures show? (BTW - that quote about 15,000 in France doesn't seem to based on any study or evidence. Pew's figures are.)

In the UK the 100,000 actual converts therefore implies that there were 400,000 converts initially - if 75% of converts leave Islam, is that correct?

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

So eh, taking all your stats into consideration - isn't Islam still growing in the USA and France as the Pew figures show? (BTW - that quote about 15,000 in France doesn't seem to based on any study or evidence. Pew's figures are.)

In the UK the 100,000 actual converts therefore implies that there were 400,000 converts initially - if 75% of converts leave Islam, is that correct?

Cheers,
Shafique

My links never said Muslim immigration and birth rates aren't increasing the Muslim populations in the two respective countries but that Muslims are converting to Christianity in France and converts to Islam are abandoning their new faith - either reverting back to what they previously believed or simply finding something else.

When we look at the numbers, it appears your evidence that Islam is growing at more than 5000 converts per year in the UK seems pretty flimsy. Many converts must be reverting just like most are in the United States and the statistics are extrapolated from Scottish census figures and interviews based on a small sample of converts - it also doesn't help the UK report was funded by a Muslim group.

A new survey sponsored by a British Muslim organization estimates that about 5,200 people in the United Kingdom converted to Islam last year, part of a steady increase since 2001.

White British women made up the biggest number of converts, and the average age of conversion was 27.

The report, titled "A Minority Within a Minority," was issued by the Faith Matters organization and conducted by Kevin Brice, an office administrator at Swansea University.

Using figures drawn from the 2001 Scottish census, Brice estimates that the number of converts to Islam in the U.K. may have risen from around 60,000 in 2001 to up to 100,000 in 2010.

A key area of the study involved a survey of 122 converts in August and September. About 56 percent were white British and 62 percent were women.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/05/study-white-women-in-uk-converting-to-islam-more-than-men/

Curious is that Whites are underrepresented in terms of converts to Islam. Many are probably Black/Caribbean and Indian. Also a majority are women. The conversion numbers are probably padded with people from India marrying a Muslim man from India or Pakistan and converting so they can get married (Islam is very segregationist when it comes to marrying/co-existing with people outside the religion whereas I don't believe this is a problem for Hinduism, so it's going to be the Hindu and not the Muslim who converts).

shafique

eh, a long post that was short on stats.

Pew's research is based on some evidence and clearly shows the numbers of Muslims increasing.

I find that 56% of British converts being white to be a higher figure than most people would expect, I don't think this is under-representation at all, given that most of the UK population is a-religious in my experience.

Speculating on how many of the converts are doing so out of marriage doesn't invalidate the results. Many Catholic and Jewish converts are doing so for the same reason. Indeed, many church goers are going just for places in school (in the UK) - and even so, church attendance is going down.

Show us the stats eh, show us the stats.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

here's video of the Church attack in Egypt. I believe this was the same church I posted a story on a few weeks ago where Muslims blockaded the Christian village because Christians wanted to renovate the 100 year old church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8iwhc_oda0k#!

I guess those 'peace' talks between Muslims and Christians did not work.

dubai-politics-talk/christian-village-under-blockade-egypt-t47379.html

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