Poll: Muslims less likely to justify violence

herve

How about a poll about shafique's threads

BIASED or not BIASED

How absurd these polls can be, as if a muslim would tell a pollster, in a non muslim country, that violence can be justified

I have another poll for shafique to consider... he likes poll

TIME poll: 69% oppose the construction of a mosque on the 911 site.

And in this poll, 24% of 18y to 29y of muslims defend the use of suicide bombing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19097274/ns/us_news-security/

When polls are good for muslims, they are good, but polls are not good for muslims they are loons, right Al shafique.
And a poll question for al shafique, do you think Hamas is a terrorist organization? YES ? NO?

shafique

^Feel free to start a new thread to discuss anything other than the issue here (which you are intent on avoiding). Are all loons allergic to facts? 😀

The poll results above aren't my work, they are just facts.

Cheers,
Shafique

herve

Your poll is plain stupid, nobody beleives it because reality shows the exact oppposite.

And don't spin a poll fact into a reality fact, it is jut a poll, it s just what people said on the phone by a sunday afternoon

shafique

LOL - it is not my poll. Start a new thread for your rants herve, it is getting old.

Keep this thread for facts, not fantasies.

Cheers,
Shafique<br /><br />-- Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:10 am --<br /><br />

Now, I could be wrong, but I expect the loon brigade here will jump in and deny the facts...

I wasn't wrong, was I? 😉

Misery_Called_Life

Just curious, Shafique loves to post articles from all corners of the globe right? Did he by any chance miss out on the recent Iraqi bombings? (wink)

herve

Less likely to justify violence?
think again

shafique

😉 MCL - Nope, didn't miss the Iraqi bombings or those in Pakistan or Afghanistan or the shootings in Miami and Johannesburg - but crimes around the world isn't the subject of this thread. It is rather about the evidence that is misused by loons who selectively quote survey results to support their dogma.

In this case, when we look at the full survey results the reality is quite different from their beliefs.

In the context of the Iraqi bombings, the surveys tell us that Muslims will by and large not condone ANY excuse for killing civilians, whilst 58% American Christians will excuse the killings sometimes.

Interesting results, and obviously causing some major confusion and frustration from those who wish to believe the bible-camp misinformation and National Front propaganda (you know who you are). 😉

(But good to see herve living up to his reputation and now quoting other surveys on capital punishment.. 🙄 )

Cheers,
Shafique

Misery_Called_Life

😉 MCL - Nope, didn't miss the Iraqi bombings or those in Pakistan or Afghanistan or the shootings in Miami and Johannesburg - but crimes around the world isn't the subject of this thread. It is rather about the evidence that is misused by loons who selectively quote survey results to support their dogma.

Cheers,
Shafique

Like the Iraqi bombings were the incidents elsewhere targeting religious institutions? I know what the thread is about Shafique, steering a bit away from a poll to debate an actual bombing is'nt too objectionable, I hope. The question at hand is why did'nt you start a thread on the recent Iraqi bombings? You can't deny that the subject is of interest to you right? Oh would you rather a poll be more significant as compared to an actual event, because it serves your purpose?

event_horizon

No hype, just facts.

The figures in your link were taken from separate polls that were unrelated. The Muslims surveyed were given different questions than were asked of non-Muslims. Muslims were asked their views on suicide bombings and killing to defend Islam. Non-Muslims were never asked about suicide bombings or killing to defend their respective religions.

So the %'s of European Muslims and Muslims from the Muslim world are worthless to compare to Americans or Israelis.

To make a point, Danios literally threw together different polls that were unrelated and asked respondents different questions and compared the results.

I know you're kind of stupid, but even you should be able to figure out that it's worthless to compare the results of separate polls if the people surveyed were asked different questions.

You do understand this, right?

shafique

MCL, sorry I can't see your point concerning the Iraqi bombings. Yes I didn't start a thread on that, but I also didn't start a thread on the recent Israeli bombings of Gaza either.

I don't see what either bombings has to do with the thread's topic about the proportion of religious groups that justify the use of violence (note that I'm not arguing that there are NO Muslims who justify violence, only that the polls show that those that do are less numerous as a proportion than other groups).

(Happy to start a thread about any particular bombing and give you my views on them... but can we stay on subject here for now?)

Cheers,
Shafique

Misery_Called_Life

MCL, sorry I can't see your point concerning the Iraqi bombings. Yes I didn't start a thread on that, but I also didn't start a thread on the recent Israeli bombings of Gaza either.

I don't see what either bombings has to do with the thread's topic about the proportion of religious groups that justify the use of violence (note that I'm not arguing that there are NO Muslims who justify violence, only that the polls show that those that do are less numerous as a proportion than other groups).

(Happy to start a thread about any particular bombing and give you my views on them... but can we stay on subject here for now?)

Cheers,
Shafique

I think you may just wanna add that the poll was conducted by a Gallup center located in UAE. The Abu Dhabi Gallup Center is a Gallup research hub based in the capital of the United Arab Emirates. It is the product of a partnership between Gallup, the world's leading public opinion research firm, and the Crown Prince Court of Abu Dhabi.
So it's not really an independent Gallup poll.

http://www.abudhabigallupcenter.com/148778/report-bilingual-muslim-americans-faith-freedom-future.aspx

With respect to the Iraqi bombings? I don't know Shafique, I just thought that it would have added to your credibility had you offered unbiased coverage of relevant attacks on religious institutions. That's all.

shafique

I wasn't aware that I had started any threads on, or commented on stats concerning attacks on religous institutions - in Iraq or elsewhere.

This thread is about published polls on the proportions of different faiths that justify the targetting and killing of civilians. Muslims in different countries are less likely to support this than other groups, the polls show.

Cheers,
Shafique

Misery_Called_Life

I wasn't aware that I had started any threads on, or commented on stats concerning attacks on religous institutions - in Iraq or elsewhere.

This thread is about published polls on the proportions of different faiths that justify the targetting and killing of civilians. Muslims in different countries are less likely to support this than other groups, the polls show.

Cheers,
Shafique

No? Well you did comment extensively on Norway didn't you? But for some reason you had nothing to say about the Mumbai blats, just like how your silence on the Iraqi blasts is deafening. Does get me thinking.

shafique

Good to have you thinking. 😉

Anything to say on this topic though - reminder it is about polls showing that Muslims are less likely to justify the targetting and killings of civilians. (And I guess, that does apply to Iraq, Mumbai and Norway)

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

I wasn't aware that I had started any threads on, or commented on stats concerning attacks on religous institutions - in Iraq or elsewhere.

This thread is about published polls on the proportions of different faiths that justify the targetting and killing of civilians. Muslims in different countries are less likely to support this than other groups, the polls show.

Cheers,
Shafique

Why don't you try with polls where Muslims and non-Muslims were asked the same questions?

shafique

Sorry, I thought I'd made it clear that the polls are factual - not the stuff you usually make up.

Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/surveys-show-muslims-in-every-country-less-likely-to-justify-killing-civilians-than-americans-and-israelis/

No hype, just facts.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

You mean comparing the results of polls that ask different questions isn't hype (to put it mildly)?

shafique

LOL - why are loons allergic to facts?

Young eh is the first one to quote extracts of surveys which he copies from loon websites, but when presented with the full picture, suddenly there's a lot of sour grapes.

Note that no attempt has been made to show that the polls aren't factual - just some hot air. As usual.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

The dispute is comparing poll results where those surveyed were asked different questions. That should be simple enough logic.

shafique

LOL - 10/10 for persistency eh.

However, the polls' results are startling.

58% of your fellow Christian Americans justify killing of civlians under some circumstances - and in all other instances Muslims poll lower. The Muslim Americans were asked the same question in the same poll.

Which particular question posed to Muslims is offending you or is misrepresenting the facts?

Cheers,
Shafique

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