Do you think the white race is heading for extinction?

herve

then haven't you mis-represented this 'Arab Gene' - isn't it actually a 'Semitic Gene'??

Cheers,
Shafique

No , but you have mis-understood: CAGS stands for Center for Arab Genome Studies, not for Semitic genome

shafique

Bora - I did refer to the White underclass in the UK in the context of not over-hyping the threat to 'Britishness' from immigrants.

I've absolutely no problem with my great grand children being either darker, lighter or whatever different shade from myself. In our extended families (wife and my side) we have relatives who have married black, white and even chinese - in my background, one of my ancestors was a black lady (my paternal grandmother's, grandmother). I have lineages that traces back to Bihar in one line, and to North West India in another.. quite different 'races' - one Pathan and other Bihari.

All the merrier, I say. 😀

(Oh, and BTW - just in case you weren't pulling my leg - studying demographics IS my day-job! 😉 )

Cheers,
Shafique

Bora_Bora

Bora - I did refer to the White underclass in the UK in the context of not over-hyping the threat to 'Britishness' from immigrants.

I've absolutely no problem with my great grand children being either darker, lighter or whatever different shade from myself. In our extended families (wife and my side) we have relatives who have married black, white and even chinese - in my background, one of my ancestors was a black lady (my paternal grandmother's, grandmother). I have lineages that traces back to Bihar in one line, and to North West India in another.. quite different 'races' - one Pathan and other Bihari.

All the merrier, I say. 😀

(Oh, and BTW - just in case you weren't pulling my leg - studying demographics IS my day-job! 😉 )

Cheers,
Shafique

Did you change jobs? Why have I been thinking all along that you were an accountant?? 😲 or is that your night job?

shafique

Sacre Bleu - me, an accountant!! 😀 (No, I'm an actuary. )

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum

But you may remember I once referred to the white underclass in the UK.. babies are a way of getting more social benefit for many of them too. They may be the saviour of the white race. 😀 Cheers, Shafique

Well now you are talking about something where I know I have got loads more of experience than you as dishing out benefits is my line of work.

It's not the white feral under class that are claiming benefits for shed loads of kids but the Asians. Now they do breed like rabbits and from an early age. They all have the same like sounding names too which makes fraud rife and they are the most dishonest bunch of people around.
Fortunately we don't have this problem in my part of the country but I regularly go on training courses to other parts of the UK. The housing benefit staff from Manchester City Council have my sincere sympathies dealing with the brown feral robbing bastards down there. Most of the Asians couldn't tell the truth to save their lives.

kanelli

Dillon, the alleles for darker skin, hair and eyes tend to be dominant over the alleles for the lighter types, that's why people agree that the majority of the population may end up beige one day 🙂

Bora_Bora

Hey BM, do you have a Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas on the dole? How about Amunugama Rajapakse Rajakaruna Abeykoon Panditha Wasalamudiyanse Ralahamilage Rajitha Krishantha Bandara Amunugama (Born: 22 April 1969, Mawanella)? You may want to check on Sahibzaha Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi.

Dillon

Dillon, the alleles for darker skin, hair and eyes tend to be dominant over the alleles for the lighter types, that's why people agree that the majority of the population may end up beige one day 🙂

So you’re one of the brown ones as well?

😂

Bethsmum

Hey BM, do you have a Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas on the dole? How about Amunugama Rajapakse Rajakaruna Abeykoon Panditha Wasalamudiyanse Ralahamilage Rajitha Krishantha Bandara Amunugama (Born: 22 April 1969, Mawanella)? You may want to check on Sahibzaha Mohammad Shahid Khan Afridi.

We have a Keith Vaas Bora, he doesn't claim the dole but is a drain on the taxpayer, none the less, he's a brown politician, dodgy as hell 😀
As I say we don't have the Asian problem in my part of the country so I'm not that familiar with the names you have provided. I'll run them past my fraud contact at Manchester City Council. I hope it doesn't sent the computer system into meltdown.

I think I asked in another topic once, why is everybody called Mohammed?

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Dillon, the alleles for darker skin, hair and eyes tend to be dominant over the alleles for the lighter types, that's why people agree that the majority of the population may end up beige one day 🙂

So you’re one of the brown ones as well?

😂

I wonder if Mr K is of the brown persuasion? 😀

Misery_Called_Life

MCL - the point I was specifically addressing when referring to Morris and Diamond, was the issue of racial differences as a reason for differing levels of technological or even sociological development.

Morris deals with this in Chpt 1 - 'Before East and West' (see pg 60 and 80, for example). We're all Homo Sapiens and he makes the point that in large groups, all humans are alike - regardless of where they come from. (His big-thing-point is that social differences are due to geography - and I think the argument is well made.)

Diamond also debunks the 'genetic'/'racial' explanations for differences in civilisations. Shafique

Most genetists make it pretty clear that there are genetic differences between various races. For instance he consequences of ignoring these so-called "racial" population factors were underscored recently with the announcements by researchers at the University of Wisconsin that they had turned human embryonic stem cells into blood cells needed for bone marrow transplants for patients with leukemia or other cancers. However not all populations would benefit equally from such research. Such pathbreaking advancements are surprisingly held back by something as primitive as race and genes. Indigenous populations from different parts of the world all have their own genetic compositions which needs to be factored in during research.

As for how the West will handle the power shift to the East - to me, it is a big unknown. In the past the shifts in power have tended to be characterised by wars. It's clear to me that China will be the pre-eminent superpower pretty soon (earlier than I was predicting 5 years ago), and I think India's economic might will continue to grow... interesting times ahead I think.

(I find it quaint that there are some that think the 'West' is somehow not going to meet the fate of previous empires. But it is a valid point of view.. )

At a grand scale though, the pendulum of economic and military might swinging to China and India are just a restoration of the 'natural order' of things. The power lies where the resources are - mineral and intellectual.

Cheers,
Shafique

This is a different age. The world has learnt to co-exists. If the world hadn't then immigration wouldn't have been a phenomenon. I hope that India and China continue to grow, for the wellbeing of their own people. I hope the West too continues to grow for the well being of their own people. And all of it is achievable without stepping on the others feet. Unless food resources, energy demands etc etc impact the functioning of certain powers, the world should be alrit. Technology will hopefully take us away from dependence on fossil fuels. Food security should be each countries on prerogative. And since intellect is freely flowing everything else can be taken care off in-house. So all of this talk of shift of power, western dominance etc etc is nothing but hyperbole.
For matters of pride if GDP figures and growth figures are all that matter then surely with the with west going through a demographic shift, the growth for now shall be accorded to BRIC nations. But I think that in terms of infrastructure, science and research the west had done enough to ward off any troubles that may come their way.
What ails the west more than anything else are global corporations hell bent on world domination. These corporations hand in glove with politicos continue to shape policies which may have an adverse impact on the local populations. The Greek debt crisis for instance is a classic example. Another is America's love for illegals mainly to provide cheap labor and to prop up politicians vote banks. Such policies will ultimately be detrimental to the west. Otherwise they should be just fine. Don't expect any major shift

shafique

MCL - interesting that you think the shift of dominance to the East is hyperbole. I don't.

The shift of power from British Empire's pre-eminence Westward to the USA was very real - as were the declines of previous world powers. One interesting characteristic of Empires on the wane is the shift in them being net creditors to the world to becoming net debtors to the world.

From what I've read and studied, the racial differences emanating from genes don't explain the shifting patterns of economic and political dominance - Morris et al show that these can be explained by enviromental factors.

When the Chinese and Indians were the most advanced nations in the world and Europe was a considered a barbaric back-water, the difference in genes relating to eye colour etc weren't the reasons why Indians and Chinese were technologically so much ahead of their European cousins. Ditto post industrial revolution and the same will apply again when China overtakes the USA in pretty much every measure (give it a few more decades - they are already the biggest manufacturer, 2nd largest economy..)

Former superpowers retain some of their past glories - Greece, Rome, Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Great Britain (etc)- but they all declined.

But then again - perhaps 'this time it is different'. Historically, though, 'this time it is different' hardly ever is. 😉

Cheers,
Shafique

general_A

the white race is not heading for extinction, here, i just ended the thread 😎

Bethsmum

the white race is not heading for extinction, here, i just ended the thread 😎

Well done general!

@sym, what ever you say! 😀

event_horizon

My agreement does indeed extend to his statement about some ethnic groups 'breeding like rabbits' - can't argue with the fact that not all families are of the same size. Observant Catholics are one group of immigrants, for example. 😉

But you may remember I once referred to the white underclass in the UK.. babies are a way of getting more social benefit for many of them too. They may be the saviour of the white race. 😀

I agree with your last statement that distinguishes between extinction and being a minority. I don't see what the fuss is about - embrace the change! 😉

Funny thing is you'd be throwing a hissy fit if anyone said Muslims (are they an ethnic group?) are breeding like rodents like you did earlier in the thread when I said ethnic groups are not equal to each other (and you listed some books by authors who aren't geneticists that did not address what I actually said).

Me thinks your 'telling it like it is' ends when whites aren't the butt of someone's joke.

But hey, perhaps your inability to take healthy criticism of your coreligionists and of non-white people stems from your inferiority complex?

kanelli

Dillon, the alleles for darker skin, hair and eyes tend to be dominant over the alleles for the lighter types, that's why people agree that the majority of the population may end up beige one day 🙂

So you’re one of the brown ones as well?

😂

Partially - have white skin, but brown eyes and brown hair. 😀

general_A

the white race is not heading for extinction, here, i just ended the thread 😎

Well done general!

@sym, what ever you say! 😀

doesnt take tens of pages to answer a simple question now does it 😂

Bethsmum

the white race is not heading for extinction, here, i just ended the thread 😎

Well done general!

@sym, what ever you say! 😀

doesnt take tens of pages to answer a simple question now does it 😂

All those wasted words general and you nailed it one post! LOL!

general_A

@[deleted] cheers to that 😀

Bethsmum

@[deleted] cheers to that 😀

Amen.

Misery_Called_Life

MCL - interesting that you think the shift of dominance to the East is hyperbole. I don't.

The shift of power from British Empire's pre-eminence Westward to the USA was very real - as were the declines of previous world powers. One interesting characteristic of Empires on the wane is the shift in them being net creditors to the world to becoming net debtors to the world.

From what I've read and studied, the racial differences emanating from genes don't explain the shifting patterns of economic and political dominance - Morris et al show that these can be explained by enviromental factors.

When the Chinese and Indians were the most advanced nations in the world and Europe was a considered a barbaric back-water, the difference in genes relating to eye colour etc weren't the reasons why Indians and Chinese were technologically so much ahead of their European cousins. Ditto post industrial revolution and the same will apply again when China overtakes the USA in pretty much every measure (give it a few more decades - they are already the biggest manufacturer, 2nd largest economy..)

Former superpowers retain some of their past glories - Greece, Rome, Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Great Britain (etc)- but they all declined.

But then again - perhaps 'this time it is different'. Historically, though, 'this time it is different' hardly ever is. 😉

Offcourse it's hyperbole Shafique. I'm talking co-existence, and you keep bring up decline of supremacy, GDP, empires etc etc.

Don't you think it's fantastic that China and India are doing well? These two countries both hold populations in excess of a billion....is'nt it but obvious GDP levels in these countries will rise? The west not only has a smaller population but they're also seemingly confronted with a demographic crisis of sorts. People who historically had no access to food and water can now live in hope of a better future...and that's brilliant.
And that is pretty much all there is to it. Surely Asia will have more bargaining power on the international table. All in all I think that international co-existance is very much the future.

So then are all races equal? Concerning matters of intelligence, we all have an IQ quotient right???
But
The argument posted by the initial poster was along the lines that indigenous populations in Europe and the historical population In America are on the decline and will soon be outnumbered. How then have you drawn an analogy between a demographic problem (read OP) and as issue concerning racial supremacy or whatever???
I debated that each group of people have to have their own homelands. Medicine is making fairly obvious that people across different countries have different genetic compositions. Medicine apart culturally too it's pointless being a minority in your own land. That is what I thought was the crux of the argument Shafique.
On matters concerning a new found industrial revolution, rising GDP growths of BRIC nations, historical shifts of power etc etc I might agree with you. But I just think that it is irrelevant to this argument. I think you start another thread on the subject, conversation and debate on it would be fantastic.

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