9/11 B.S.

JoeTGF

Hi EH

As per my previous question - if the buildings that fell on 911 all looked like they had been demolised to you does that make you at all suspicious? You seem like a clever guy and stated in one of your previous posts that the way that they fell was like a controlled explosion. If that is the case what do you make of it?

Icenic

Well I have to say, I'm now having doubts that Silverstein was in fact issuing an order to demolish the building. The term "pull it" could also mean "pull the squad out". Then again, the fact that WTC6 collapsed in a demolition-like manner seems coherent with the idea that Silverstein issued the order.

EH, what do you think about the way that WTC6 collapsed? Why do you think it was so much like the demolition?

desertdudeshj

You mean WTC 7, ok fine i'll bit too and give EH one hadicapped point on Silverstein. But still there is there is the BBC news clips reporting the WTC 7 collapsed with the WTC 7 visible in the back ground. 26 min earlier than it actually did. And how did isolated fires bring it down, ignoring the fact it caved in on its own footprint, perfect demolition style. Also how does a building collapse from fire ? When the video posted earlier show the 100+ floor Bejing cultral center tower is burns head to toe for over 6 hours and still stands.

Too many anomalies too few answers.

Flying_Dutchman

desertdudeshj

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benwj

I take a pretty simple view on the conspiracy theories.
I don't give the US enough credit to pull it off.
Covering up a few mistakes here and there, yeah but thats all.
It might be possible somewhere like China or North Korea, but not in the US.

shafique

^ That's pretty much where I was at the start of this thread:

I don't believe the conspiracy theories - I don't think the US government or Mossad are competent enough to pull off such a cover-up if they were behind it.

I also said that I found some of the spin fishy - and I still do. Now I'm a bit more agnostic about the whole thing - perhaps there's more to the conspiracy theory than meets the eye!

Ironically, I think the best way to cover up a conspiracy is to seed some even greater conspiracy theory stories which can more easily be dismissed, then the core conspiracy can be covered up in the process. Eg - perhaps the Philly plane was shot down by the US and didn't crash when passengers overpowered the hijackers. The authorities could have covered that up.

Also, it is an amazing coincidence that the two WTC towers pancaked exactly like a planned demolition, WT7 also collapsed in a similar fashion and the pilot of the plane that flew into the pentagon managed to pull of a near impossible manoeuvre (skimming the lawn feet off the ground, and flying into the side of a building and having the plane disintegrate, including the usually indestructible engines..) - but sometimes amazing coincidences do happen.

But amazing coincidences are hard to believe.

Cheers,
Shafique

kanelli

It is utterly ridiculous to compare the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Icenic

It is utterly ridiculous to compare the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

As usual, you select one small point and comment on it, but fail to answer the question.

event_horizon

Eg - perhaps the Philly plane was shot down by the US and didn't crash when passengers overpowered the hijackers. The authorities could have covered that up.

Except there was no debris field and the black box confirms the terrorists brought the plane down at the time the passengers were kicking the door in.

and having the plane disintegrate, including the usually indestructible engines..

Flying_Dutchman

I don't give the US enough credit to pull it off.

It might that the conspiracists think its the jews/zionists. The vast majority of the DF forumers are anti-semites and give jews great exceptional power, to the extent that they rule and control everything in the world. Surely if you control the whole world you can pull a stunt like this.

For me, it would be completely impossible to cover this up. Imagine the amount of organizations and people that had to be involved in this (let alone the activities). Apparantly one poster now also claims the BBC is involved. Nine years after, no tangible evidence that this was a conspiracy. Just stories and speculations like building shouldnt fall this way or the Pentagon might be hit by a missile. Why no evidence? Because it wasnt!

event_horizon

I don't give the US enough credit to pull it off.

It might that the conspiracists think its the jews/zionists. The vast majority of the DF forumers are anti-semites and give jews great exceptional power, to the extent that they rule and control everything in the world. Surely if you control the whole world you can pull a stunt like this.

For me, it would be completely impossible to cover this up. Imagine the amount of organizations and people that had to be involved in this (let alone the activities). Apparantly one poster now also claims the BBC is involved. Nine years after, no tangible evidence that this was a conspiracy. Just stories and speculations like building shouldnt fall this way or the Pentagon might be hit by a missile. Why no evidence? Because it wasnt!

I'm sure you loved that Silverstein quote as much as I did. I'm surprised after watching that video of Silverstsein admitting his own guilt to the journalist where he told the fire chief to 'pull it' (demolish building 7), a judge hasn't issued a warrant for his arrest!

😀

I think that was the biggest face palm in this thread for me. But every post by the truthers is a face palm.

Icenic

Can someone please answer my question?

EH, there's an interview with a Rolls Royce representative in which he says that the wrecked engine in that picture is not a Rolls Royce engine, nor is it the Pratt & Whitney engine, which are the only engines the Boeing 757 would have. So although that picture DOES show the remains of an engine, it does not prove that it was in fact the engine of Flight 77, which is a Boeing 757. I'm not claiming that it was a cruise missile (don't go quoting me on an earlier post when I said it was, I'm putting all speculations aside here) but I'm saying that I don't think it was a Boeing 757. As for what happened to Flight 77 (FD, I'm looking at you) I don't know. If I knew, we wouldn't be having this debate. I would simply present my evidence and it would be accepted. I don't know what happened to it.

kanelli

It is utterly ridiculous to compare the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

As usual, you select one small point and comment on it, but fail to answer the question.

What, do you mean the irrelevant question of why the twin towers collapsed but the Beijing Cultural Centre didn't? 😂

Icenic

It is utterly ridiculous to compare the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

As usual, you select one small point and comment on it, but fail to answer the question.

What, do you mean the irrelevant question of why the twin towers collapsed but the Beijing Cultural Centre didn't? 😂

No, but I meant that you commented on that, because it might be irrelevant, but ignored the rest. -- Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:51 am -- Also, why is it irrelevant?

kanelli

Icenic, examples like that are exactly why I can't take the conspiracy theorists seriously. They pick out what they think is odd, come up with elaborate explanations, twist other information involved to support their theories, and compare apples to oranges. It isn't hard for them to drum up support for their theories. Some people really want to believe it was the US government (maybe even collaborating with the Israelis!) because they detest the government that much.

p.s. The fact that you think it isn't irrelevant to compare the destruction of the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers tells a lot...

Icenic

p.s. The fact that you think it isn't irrelevant to compare the destruction of the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers tells a lot...

I asked you why it's irrelevant. I didn't say I thought it wasn't. -- Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:24 am --

One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss.

It did not fall.

The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss.

It did not fall.

1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours.

It did not fall.

The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

It did not fall.

A more recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the fires described above, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. However, the Windsor Building, unlike all the buildings mentioned above, was framed in steel-reinforced concrete rather than steel.

It did not fall.

The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.

None of these buildings fell, yet the WTC collapsed in a demolition-like manner. So how do you explain this?

Flying_Dutchman

I think that was the biggest face palm in this thread for me. But every post by the truthers is a face palm.

The last time I heard somebody speaking about a conspiracy inside another conspiracy was when a person was under the influence of a mix of drugs.

Icenic

I think that was the biggest face palm in this thread for me. But every post by the truthers is a face palm.

The last time I heard somebody speaking about a conspiracy inside another conspiracy was when a person was under the influence of a mix of drugs.

What a wonderful contribution to the debate FD.

melika969

Icenic, you need to understand that people dont bother to read conspiracy and those so called "scholar"s writings. IMO they have been so kind to contibute till now.

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