Are "we" taking ourselves too seriously...

Bora_Bora

The world is full of rules because everyone doesn't have the same idea of how to conduct themselves properly in certain circumstances. That's just life.

We've had many problems here because rules haven't been clear and moderation hasn't been consistent. The moderators we have now are honestly mostly chosen because they are around, not because they are the best person for the job. (Sorry guys 🙂 )

Fight Club should not exist.

No need to apologize for the obvious Kanelli. 😂 It is what it is.

I took the time to do a little research in the archives and found that going back as far as 2006 moderation was an issue. I didn't take it further (2007 onward) because 2006 said it all for me. The irony is that looking at "then and now" its the same complaints, and same responses. You were active at that time so I'm sure you can recall some of the exchanges that took place. I think it's safe to say that in the past people were banned for being vocal about the moderation, the way it was handled and by whom. Yet, the problem continues. If you treat the cause of the illness, the symptons go away and a healthier environment would be the result.

Clearly the mods here are not on the same page. Jumping in and moderating a member for a post would require that the mod would have to refrain from the very action that they are addressing. I don't exclude myself, but I'm not going to be the only one to moderate with posters if other mods aren't willing, or more to the point, take the position "do as I say, not as I do".

In my experience, change starts at the top, that is where you set the example - with no exceptions. In order for it to be consistent, there needs to be one rule for everyone regardless if they agree with you or not. You cannot give one person a larger playing field because they totally agree, while limiting others because they don't. Is stealing 100AED a lesser crime that stealing 1000AED? Stealing is stealing. To use a phrase that became popular with Sarah Palin: You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Baiting is baiting. Snide is snide. Rude is rude.

Sheikhmo

No surprises, people here have always taken themselves too seriously.

drewpeacock

I feel that some of us on DF are masters of baiting and get away with a lot more than others!

Bora_Bora

I feel that some of us on DF are masters of baiting and get away with a lot more than others!

You noticed? I guess they are not as clever as they think they are. 😂

drewpeacock

Its very easy to spot this baiting stuff from a distance :bounce:

Ambassador

I would say that those who are baited might take themselves too seriously. The others might just be master-baiters 😛 !

Bora_Bora

Its very easy to spot this baiting stuff from a distance :bounce:

😉 . I guess when you stand too close it can be missed by the smoke screen being put up in front of you and being told what you want to hear. 😂

Bethsmum

I would say that those who are baited might take themselves too seriously. The others might just be master-baiters 😛 !

LMAO

Bora_Bora

I would say that those who are baited might take themselves too seriously. The others might just be master-baiters 😛 !

:cheers:

kanelli

The world is full of rules because everyone doesn't have the same idea of how to conduct themselves properly in certain circumstances. That's just life.

We've had many problems here because rules haven't been clear and moderation hasn't been consistent. The moderators we have now are honestly mostly chosen because they are around, not because they are the best person for the job. (Sorry guys 🙂 )

Fight Club should not exist.

No need to apologize for the obvious Kanelli. 😂 It is what it is.

I took the time to do a little research in the archives and found that going back as far as 2006 moderation was an issue. I didn't take it further (2007 onward) because 2006 said it all for me. The irony is that looking at "then and now" its the same complaints, and same responses. You were active at that time so I'm sure you can recall some of the exchanges that took place. I think it's safe to say that in the past people were banned for being vocal about the moderation, the way it was handled and by whom. Yet, the problem continues. If you treat the cause of the illness, the symptons go away and a healthier environment would be the result.

Clearly the mods here are not on the same page. Jumping in and moderating a member for a post would require that the mod would have to refrain from the very action that they are addressing. I don't exclude myself, but I'm not going to be the only one to moderate with posters if other mods aren't willing, or more to the point, take the position "do as I say, not as I do".

In my experience, change starts at the top, that is where you set the example - with no exceptions. In order for it to be consistent, there needs to be one rule for everyone regardless if they agree with you or not. You cannot give one person a larger playing field because they totally agree, while limiting others because they don't. Is stealing 100AED a lesser crime that stealing 1000AED? Stealing is stealing. To use a phrase that became popular with Sarah Palin: You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Baiting is baiting. Snide is snide. Rude is rude.

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: -- Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:31 pm --

Having an opinion and 'bashing' something using vulgar language and derogatory terms are two different things.

Just saying that many people seem to forget where they are living.

"Dubai is ovveeerrr!" "Chubs" "Loon" "Infidel" - couldn't anyone take offense depending on their own sensitivities? Moderators would have to have set criteria. In the end we are all grown ups and should be able to handle a certain level of "naming" or criticism of oneself or topics of discussion. However, a while back one forumer said that Chocs should die - a direct verbal threat. Was he banned? No, when I complained by PM, a mod told me the forumer was joking. I checked the context and didn't see that it was lighthearted joke at all. If I had been a moderator and removed the post and sent a warning to the forumer, maybe people would have jumped on me for "bad moderating". Mods don't have an easy job, but this place will deteriorate if left to trolls and bad behaviour from regulars or even other Mods.

Bora_Bora

By Kanelli:

On the example you used, a moderator has to take into consideration what a forumer thinks is offensive and not let their personal judgment interfere. Wishing someone to die is totally wrong. What if it was directed to the mod that you complained to? Would it been seen as a "joke", possibly not, depending on how it came about. I would have removed it - call it bad moderating or not, it would have been removed as there is no place for that on a forum. On a personal level what one mod doesn't find offensive, another mod might. But mods should not act on personal thoughts/feelings. If there were to be proper moderation, mods need to be more objective and less subjective in their thinking - as well as putting their likes and dislikes of people aside in order to make a formative decision. I will also add that there are some things that mods should identify as being inappropriate without it having to be pointed out to them.

Of course this is is only my opinion but, hey, what do I know? 🥴

Ambassador

Kanelli, I think you have a point (well, I think you were trying to make a point) that what is "offensive" to some is not to others...

I doubt anyone's 'civility' or "morality' or sense of "fairness" etc. will be in anyway changed by what a forumer (word?) posts. The last time I was offended in any forum was: NEVER and will remain so. Apparently some here know each other outside the forum and that adds to the "fighting" but only because the ones who know each other will naturally want to "defend" the poster - but that would not be fair just because another poster is not in the "circle" / "core" whatever.

Now speaking of "offensive"; did you... -- Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:40 pm -- It seems like there is a lot posted about "mods' and moderating. There must be something there...though I have not issues.

For years I have belonged to 2 "professional" forums (in that unlike Dubai Forums they are specific to a particular profession/hobby) and could not tell you who the moderators are or remember any complaints about moderators – the formula that works there is that anytime anyone posts something “offensive” it is just ignored (works like a charm!)

Anyways 🙄

desertdudeshj

It seems like there is a lot posted about "mods' and moderating. There must be something there...though I have not issues.

And the majority don't and just that a choosen few had some actions taken against them by numerous complaints over trashing the whole place, and now they and their "friends" just can't come to grips about it and will endlessly "debate" this to no end as you can see the number of threads opend up and I'm sure there will be more and interjections and objections spilling over into other threads aswell. In a childish crusade to prove their innocence and claim wrong doing and favouritism.

melika969

It seems like there is a lot posted about "mods' and moderating. There must be something there...though I have not issues.

And the majority don't and just that a choosen few had some actions taken against them by numerous complaints over trashing the whole place, and now they and their "friends" just can't come to grips about it and will endlessly "debate" this to no end as you can see the number of threads opend up and I'm sure there will be more and interjections and objections spilling over into other threads aswell. In a childish crusade to prove their innocence and claim wrong doing and favouritism.

😂 Hmmm is this the so called "baiting"? Am I the "friend"?

Who is the majority? how many members are active and how many even comment abt their major satisfaction of Moderation!?

arniegang

It seems like there is a lot posted about "mods' and moderating. There must be something there...though I have not issues.

And the majority don't and just that a choosen few had some actions taken against them by numerous complaints over trashing the whole place, and now they and their "friends" just can't come to grips about it and will endlessly "debate" this to no end as you can see the number of threads opend up and I'm sure there will be more and interjections and objections spilling over into other threads aswell. In a childish crusade to prove their innocence and claim wrong doing and favouritism.

😂 Hmmm is this the so called "baiting"? Am I the "friend"?

Who is the majority? how many members are active and how many even comment abt their major satisfaction of Moderation!?

The good example of "baiting" in your particular case Mel, was actually was observated and posted by Kanelli.

melika969

^^^Well my post has nothing to do with Chocs and I m sure it would never lead to a fight with her.

So you dont see the post of DDS as "baiting'?

arniegang

Its in Kanelli's post, it is quite clear who she is talking about Mel . I did not mention any name as too whom K was refering too - it was you Mel, so please not put words or names in my mouth that i have not spoken.

melika969

Its in Kanelli's post, it is quite clear who she is talking about Mel . I did not mention any name as too whom K was refering too - it was you Mel, so please not put words or names in my mouth that i have not spoken.

Arnie, I m afraid that you did not actually read K's post, before using it as a sample of baiting, because she says :

melika, you think you are making a funny joke, and some people might laugh, but then again maybe chocs will be offended and this thread will be filled with bickering between the two of you and any others who are game for a scrap. Will other forumers want to read here if so many threads deteriorate into personal bickering?

She is saying that Chocs might be offended, I said I dont think so, me and Chocs survive for more than one year with no fights, so based on my experience it wont lead to a fight between us.

Still, I didnt understand was DDS's post considered as "baiting" or not?

Bora_Bora

It seems like there is a lot posted about "mods' and moderating. There must be something there...though I have not issues.

And the majority don't and just that a choosen few had some actions taken against them by numerous complaints over trashing the whole place, and now they and their "friends" just can't come to grips about it and will endlessly "debate" this to no end as you can see the number of threads opend up and I'm sure there will be more and interjections and objections spilling over into other threads aswell. In a childish crusade to prove their innocence and claim wrong doing and favouritism.

Please do not be coy - BM and I were the "chosen" few. We have done nothing but have a laugh about it along with others. Now you might see getting banned as the ultimate slap in the face. I think I can speak on behalf of BM that she and I are not the type to go in a corner to lick our wounds and wimp off like an injured pup or go on a rant. Neither of us have tried to prove innocence or wrong doing - we don't have to point out the obvious. As for favoritism, there seems to be a strong indication that is exists. And you know what, who cares?? I don't. Not only do you comment on things you don't bother to read, you comment on non-existent situations.

Your post can be construed as baiting me and BM. I for one don't appreciate it and would request that in the future try showing some restraint and up your game. Just because you can get away with doing or saying things that others can't, doesn't mean you should.

kanelli

Yes, it is baiting, but he does have valid points. You defend and say, "We're just having a laugh." Can some of you seriously not see that there have been far too many cases of your sense of humour not translating well and threads have been run off course and there has been too much bickering?

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