Who will be Britain's Next Prime Minster???

Berrin

Then we have every iraquie/algerian and turk coming in by the lorry load claiming asylum and thats on top of every other nationality that see's the UK as a soft touch coming in by air after flushing their passport down the toilet.

Ho ho arnie...I've never understood why those nations had to be torn apart and paralyzed from self progress?
have you? If you ask an iraqi what ties her/him so much to their country while living abroad this would be the reply you get...

I saw my garden blooming with Jasmin flowers, spreading their scent in the whole neighborhood, I saw the palm trees where I would recline underneath their merciful shade, I smelled the wet earth where I'd leave my naked footprints, I heard my mother shouting from the kitchen and the smell of food dragging me in...I saw my grandmother's smile as she was preparing tea, I heard my aunts fight over suitors, I felt the evening breeze caress my face, I saw the stars covering me in the chilly mornings, I heard the grocer greet me and offering me free oranges, I saw the souks and the warmth of the teasing and laughter, I smelled my grandfather's attic and his books, I saw Um Abbas carrying fresh cream at the crack of dawn, I saw my first love throwing my first love letter over the garden wall....

- the earth, the sky, the people...

- Love.

desertdudeshj

I hear you guys and understand your angst, I would be pissed too. I think the proper legal and skilled workers who could be potentially benefit to the economy have to suffer due to these freeloaders. Another case of one bad fish spoiling the entire pond.

What do you guys think about canada ? It has a relatively skilled immigration program, and AFAIK doesn't suffer from too much illegal immigration. But there the problem is that skilled workers who move there can never get the work at theor level or in their field of work and have to start from much bottom of the ladder all over again.

One of the problem it does suffer from is that one skilled legal and contributing member to the economy bring is two or three dependants and them more family members like ailing parents. So in return for one skilled migrant they get half a dozen citizens who are way past of being any use to the system.

Red_Chief

What do you guys think about canada ? It has a relatively skilled immigration program, and AFAIK doesn't suffer from too much illegal immigration. But there the problem is that skilled workers who move there can never get the work at theor level or in their field of work and have to start from much bottom of the ladder all over again.

Why do you emphasise on Canada? It's everywhere. In this term the UK is one of the worst country in the world - they recognise non-Western diploma very reluctantly even where US or Canada gives the same degree.

Most emmigrants are second grade sitizens and live for the future of their children only.

Misery_Called_Life

An Indian summer in House of Commons

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/An-Indian-summer-in-House-of-Commons/articleshow/5904699.cms

For the first time ever UK parliament is hung, and one can't deny immigrant voting patterns have led to that(in a way). So immigrants have made a difference afterall.

dee7o

Now you've just confused me - lol

No I meant the figures stating the number of illegals CURRENTLY in the UK have been grossly underestimated.

Legals or illegals, quite honestly, if the UK spent the next 100 years accommodating all the unemployed people in the world, it still wouldn't amount to sufficient compensation for what they did to the developing world. You are complaining of illegal immigration today when 60 years ago you were still illegally and forcibly occupying like half the planet? The Enoch speech you refer to was this all high and grand nonsense about preserving British history and culture from immigrant evil. The irony is that this speech was delivered barely 2 decades after the British army finally rid the world of their interference. He thinks about the British common man but didn't ask himself what the British common man was doing bullying the Indian common man just 20 years earlier. Give me a break.

If you think people are illegally and unfairly taking advantage of your economy, how about you compensate them for all the raw materials stolen from them and they might stay in their own countries. And no, this is not ancient history that is not relevant today. So many of these illegal immigrants are so desperate because of what their countries have become due to colonialism.

That is not to say i condone illegal immigration 😀 Just consider the above a friendly reminder

Dubai_Knight

Now you've just confused me - lol

No I meant the figures stating the number of illegals CURRENTLY in the UK have been grossly underestimated.

Legals or illegals, quite honestly, if the UK spent the next 100 years accommodating all the unemployed people in the world, it still wouldn't amount to sufficient compensation for what they did to the developing world. You are complaining of illegal immigration today when 60 years ago you were still illegally and forcibly occupying like half the planet? The Enoch speech you refer to was this all high and grand nonsense about preserving British history and culture from immigrant evil. The irony is that this speech was delivered barely 2 decades after the British army finally rid the world of their interference. He thinks about the British common man but didn't ask himself what the British common man was doing bullying the Indian common man just 20 years earlier. Give me a break.

If you think people are illegally and unfairly taking advantage of your economy, how about you compensate them for all the raw materials stolen from them and they might stay in their own countries. And no, this is not ancient history that is not relevant today. So many of these illegal immigrants are so desperate because of what their countries have become due to colonialism.

That is not to say i condone illegal immigration 😀 Just consider the above a friendly reminder

Step down from the soap box!

What happened in previous generations has no bearing on this at all. If I wanted to, I can take just about any country in the world and go back in history to a time when they were exploitative, aggressive, expansionist or even down right brutal, so throwing the history of the UK from the last 2000 years is pointless. We are talking here and now and the future.

The immigrants in the UK are not there to pillage the raw materials of the country, just to exploit the namby pamby do-gooders who have been in power for the last few years and are willing to hand out vast sums in benefits to people who are work shy and know how to work the system.

Try coming to the UAE without a job and getting a free house, cash handouts, a car, medical care...

👿 👿 👿

Knight

dee7o

Now you've just confused me - lol

No I meant the figures stating the number of illegals CURRENTLY in the UK have been grossly underestimated.

Legals or illegals, quite honestly, if the UK spent the next 100 years accommodating all the unemployed people in the world, it still wouldn't amount to sufficient compensation for what they did to the developing world. You are complaining of illegal immigration today when 60 years ago you were still illegally and forcibly occupying like half the planet? The Enoch speech you refer to was this all high and grand nonsense about preserving British history and culture from immigrant evil. The irony is that this speech was delivered barely 2 decades after the British army finally rid the world of their interference. He thinks about the British common man but didn't ask himself what the British common man was doing bullying the Indian common man just 20 years earlier. Give me a break.

If you think people are illegally and unfairly taking advantage of your economy, how about you compensate them for all the raw materials stolen from them and they might stay in their own countries. And no, this is not ancient history that is not relevant today. So many of these illegal immigrants are so desperate because of what their countries have become due to colonialism.

That is not to say i condone illegal immigration 😀 Just consider the above a friendly reminder

Step down from the soap box!

What happened in previous generations has no bearing on this at all. If I wanted to, I can take just about any country in the world and go back in history to a time when they were exploitative, aggressive, expansionist or even down right brutal, so throwing the history of the UK from the last 2000 years is pointless. We are talking here and now and the future.

The immigrants in the UK are not there to pillage the raw materials of the country, just to exploit the namby pamby do-gooders who have been in power for the last few years and are willing to hand out vast sums in benefits to people who are work shy and know how to work the system.

Try coming to the UAE without a job and getting a free house, cash handouts, a car, medical care...

👿 👿 👿

Knight

Isn't that how most people came to the U.A.E.? 😈

Misery_Called_Life

Step down from the soap box!

What happened in previous generations has no bearing on this at all. If I wanted to, I can take just about any country in the world and go back in history to a time when they were exploitative, aggressive, expansionist or even down right brutal, so throwing the history of the UK from the last 2000 years is pointless. We are talking here and now and the future.

The immigrants in the UK are not there to pillage the raw materials of the country, just to exploit the namby pamby do-gooders who have been in power for the last few years and are willing to hand out vast sums in benefits to people who are work shy and know how to work the system.

Try coming to the UAE without a job and getting a free house, cash handouts, a car, medical care...

👿 👿 👿

Knight

Isn't that how most people came to the U.A.E.? 😈

Not all of us are Egyptian man! 😈 😂 😈

dee7o

Step down from the soap box!

What happened in previous generations has no bearing on this at all. If I wanted to, I can take just about any country in the world and go back in history to a time when they were exploitative, aggressive, expansionist or even down right brutal, so throwing the history of the UK from the last 2000 years is pointless. We are talking here and now and the future.

The immigrants in the UK are not there to pillage the raw materials of the country, just to exploit the namby pamby do-gooders who have been in power for the last few years and are willing to hand out vast sums in benefits to people who are work shy and know how to work the system.

Try coming to the UAE without a job and getting a free house, cash handouts, a car, medical care...

👿 👿 👿

Knight

Isn't that how most people came to the U.A.E.? 😈

Not all of us are Egyptian man! 😈 😂 😈

Oh yeah I forgot, some people just marry rich. Anyway, I stopped being Egyptian the day we failed to reach the world cup 💣

Bora_Bora

Isn't that how most people came to the U.A.E.? 😈

Not all of us are Egyptian man! 😈 😂 😈

Oh yeah I forgot, some people just marry rich. Anyway, I stopped being Egyptian the day we failed to reach the world cup 💣

You stopped being Egyptian the day you left Egypt. 🙂

desertdudeshj

You can take out the man out of Egypt but cant take out egypt out of the man.

Youm al Guma Igaza, Wow Gameelan Giddan ya basha 😁

arniegang

Now you've just confused me - lol

No I meant the figures stating the number of illegals CURRENTLY in the UK have been grossly underestimated.

Legals or illegals, quite honestly, if the UK spent the next 100 years accommodating all the unemployed people in the world, it still wouldn't amount to sufficient compensation for what they did to the developing world. You are complaining of illegal immigration today when 60 years ago you were still illegally and forcibly occupying like half the planet? The Enoch speech you refer to was this all high and grand nonsense about preserving British history and culture from immigrant evil. The irony is that this speech was delivered barely 2 decades after the British army finally rid the world of their interference. He thinks about the British common man but didn't ask himself what the British common man was doing bullying the Indian common man just 20 years earlier. Give me a break.

If you think people are illegally and unfairly taking advantage of your economy, how about you compensate them for all the raw materials stolen from them and they might stay in their own countries. And no, this is not ancient history that is not relevant today. So many of these illegal immigrants are so desperate because of what their countries have become due to colonialism.

That is not to say i condone illegal immigration 😀 Just consider the above a friendly reminder

Step down from the soap box!

What happened in previous generations has no bearing on this at all. If I wanted to, I can take just about any country in the world and go back in history to a time when they were exploitative, aggressive, expansionist or even down right brutal, so throwing the history of the UK from the last 2000 years is pointless. We are talking here and now and the future.

The immigrants in the UK are not there to pillage the raw materials of the country, just to exploit the namby pamby do-gooders who have been in power for the last few years and are willing to hand out vast sums in benefits to people who are work shy and know how to work the system.

Try coming to the UAE without a job and getting a free house, cash handouts, a car, medical care...

👿 👿 👿

Knight

Dee70

Yea the Brits and its allies have also spent the last 100 years occupying and saving everyone else from doing the "goose-step", eating "bratwurst sausage 3 times a day and swilling gallons of Braverian Lager every evening.

Meanwhile, everyone else who did not meet the white skinned aryan profile were probably taking a long rest in a mass grave.

🙄

dee7o

-- Sun May 09, 2010 10:39 pm --

Dee70

Yea the Brits and its allies have also spent the last 100 years occupying and saving everyone else from doing the "goose-step", eating "bratwurst sausage 3 times a day and swilling gallons of Braverian Lager every evening.

Meanwhile, everyone else who did not meet the white skinned aryan profile were probably taking a long rest in a mass grave.

🙄

Of course you're right. Please tell our saviors that when they are done fighting for the entire human race they need to come and disarm the millions of land mines they left behind in other countries that they were "saving". If they find the time.

I'm not trying to be anti British but after all the nonsense people have been fed about globalization from the Western World, you can't blame them for coming to your front door- whether that be the UK or the US or wherever an illegal ferry lands them. After all, wasn't this lifestyle marketed as the dream of every man and woman on earth. Didn't you spend trillions showing the world what your houses and streets and malls and shops and pubs look like. Can you really blame them for coming to see for themselves? Not very different from Dubai really.

Red_Chief

Dee70

Yea the Brits and its allies have also spent the last 100 years occupying and saving everyone else from doing the "goose-step", eating "bratwurst sausage 3 times a day and swilling gallons of Braverian Lager every evening.

Meanwhile, everyone else who did not meet the white skinned aryan profile were probably taking a long rest in a mass grave.

🙄

If someone had a bit of conscience he would not repeat that crap like parrot at least in this holy day. Shame on you!

Dubai_Knight

Of course you're right. Please tell our saviors that when they are done fighting for the entire human race they need to come and disarm the millions of land mines they left behind in other countries that they were "saving". If they find the time.

Actually the UK is the global leader in the detection and eradication of mines. We are the ones who go around the world clearing the ordnance left by less scrupulous powers and teaching the local military how to handle them. There is a strong UK lobby to stop the manufacture of mines and an even stronger one to stop their deployment.

The largest proportion of anti-personnel mines made and distributed globally, are Chinese.

Fancy getting legless in Dragon Mart?

🙄 🙄 🙄

Knight

dee7o

Dee70

Yea the Brits and its allies have also spent the last 100 years occupying and saving everyone else from doing the "goose-step", eating "bratwurst sausage 3 times a day and swilling gallons of Braverian Lager every evening.

Meanwhile, everyone else who did not meet the white skinned aryan profile were probably taking a long rest in a mass grave.

🙄

If someone had a bit of conscience he would not repeat that crap like parrot at least in this holy day. Shame on you!

I agree, there is a strong correlation between your comment and parrot crap<br /><br />-- Mon May 10, 2010 11:18 pm --<br /><br />

Of course you're right. Please tell our saviors that when they are done fighting for the entire human race they need to come and disarm the millions of land mines they left behind in other countries that they were "saving". If they find the time.

Actually the UK is the global leader in the detection and eradication of mines. We are the ones who go around the world clearing the ordnance left by less scrupulous powers and teaching the local military how to handle them. There is a strong UK lobby to stop the manufacture of mines and an even stronger one to stop their deployment.

The largest proportion of anti-personnel mines made and distributed globally, are Chinese.

Fancy getting legless in Dragon Mart?

🙄 🙄 🙄

Knight

I am not saying that the UK is some devil power that is purposely trying to kill everyone. However, don't you think that saying that Britain occupied half the world to "save" it is stretching the truth ever so slightly? Anyway this was about immigrants. Again, all I am saying is that you can't expect people to keep watching you from across the fence and not want to join you. This applies to any country that actively markets its lifestyle. What is to stop people from coming and trying to share or let's be pessimistic steal what you have?

Misery_Called_Life

Dee70

Yea the Brits and its allies have also spent the last 100 years occupying and saving everyone else from doing the "goose-step", eating "bratwurst sausage 3 times a day and swilling gallons of Braverian Lager every evening.

Meanwhile, everyone else who did not meet the white skinned aryan profile were probably taking a long rest in a mass grave.

🙄

If someone had a bit of conscience he would not repeat that crap like parrot at least in this holy day. Shame on you!

I agree, there is a strong correlation between your comment and parrot crap

😂 😂 Perception problems??? It looked like RC was on ur side 😕

Red_Chief

Not realy. It was only my attitude to those turkey cocks, who saved the world most time sitting on the island in their warm houses. On the other hand, this myth looks like a part of national consciousness - so many people repeat it. That's why other time I would say nothing, but not on the 9th of May.

They were allies I'd like to avoid in the future.

Dubai_Knight

Not realy. It was only my attitude to those turkey cocks, who saved the world most time sitting on the island in their warm houses. On the other hand, this myth looks like a part of national consciousness - so many people repeat it. That's why other time I would say nothing, but not on the 9th of May.

They were allies I'd like to avoid in the future.

Well we did end up staring at each other across Check Point Charlie for how many years? I think you made your point very clear in 1945, and yet our boys were in the same place your boys were...is that sitting in our nice warm island?

There were a lot of men lost who put boot to *ss for the sake not just of our country, but a lot of others as well. Which is the reason this forum is in English...and not German. Or did you forget that?

🙄 🙄 🙄

Knight

shafique

David Cameron.

We now have a new PM (apologies for bringing the topic back to the question in the thread header! 😁 )

Cheers,
Shafique

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