Biblical vs Quranic verses on Women

event_horizon

Great - you can address the misogynist passages in the Koran and I can address the ones in the NT. I don't believe that the passage on women wearing gold during mass is misogynist, but I do think the passages in the Koran allowing marital rape, concubinage, polygamy, wife beating, viewing women as filthy during their monthly cycles, and requiring two women to testify in court in place of a man as definitely misogynist.

Which of these passages would you first like to address?

shafique

Fair enough -you don't believe telling women not to wear gold and pearls in church is misogynistic.

However, why are you evading the simple question.

Let me repeat it,

..(Do) Christian women follow this instruction today (and if not, why not?)

Once you answer this, I'll address your questions (one at a time). Hey, you can even pick which verse of the Quran you want me to address (although, I've actually addressed most of the points - including some in my very first post - already)

So, do women have to follow these instructions today and not braid their hair and wear gold/pearls? If not why not?

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Ok, you take the lead - care to comment on the passages allowing polygamy, concubinage, marital rape, etc, etc,?

shafique

I said I would comment on any verse you like, and I'd do them all - one at a time. After I address one verse, then I'll ask you about one verse from the Bible (I have a lot more verses than you do) - and after you address the questions on that verse, I'll address the next verse you choose from the Quran. See how that works?

However, you need to answer the question about the Biblical verse concerning women not wearing gold and pearls and having braided hair. Does this instruction apply today, or can women ignore this verse of the Bible?

Once you answer the question, I'll happily address any one verse you would like clarity on.

Let me know if you are still confused about the question.

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

I remembered another 'misogynist' passage in the Koran. This one gives old men the green light to marry little girls:

Koran 65:4:

And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.

Women who no longer have their courses, check.
Pregnant women, check.
Girls who have not had their periods yet, check.

shafique

I see you're resorting to the 'ostrich' technique of arguing now - ignoring the question asked of you.

I'll patiently wait for your answer about whether Christian women today follow the Biblical instruction not to wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair - and why not (if the answer is no).

I fully understand that you don't want me to address the Quranic verses one at a time - you rely on 'spin' rather than facts to make your Islamophobic case. But the offer is still open - answer my question about an NT verse and I'll address one Quranic verse in return.

I guess you're not just 'ostrich' but 'chicken' too? 😉

Cheers,
Shafique

event_horizon

Ok - let me know when you've read the letters you've quoted from. If you're going to pretend to be a NT scholar, you should also pretend that you've studied (or at least read) what you're pontificating on.

I'll help you out - when you incorrectly claim that someone is the speaker or an author of a passage or letter of the New Testament, I'll be generous enough to point out your errors.

After all, we can't have a NT scholar that incorrectly attributes letters and quotes to the wrong people, now can we?

shafique

Was my question really that difficult?

All I asked was:

I'll patiently wait for your answer about whether Christian women today follow the Biblical instruction not to wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair - and why not (if the answer is no).

After you answer, I can tackle a Quranic verse of your choosing. Can't be fairer than that (and I won't ask you to read something else - I'll just explain the verse to you).

Cheers,
Shafique

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