United Hope UAE: Feminism Run Amuck

uaekid

A friend) of mine was involved in a situation her and I know the courts usually give the children to the father no matter what the mothers ashes.

I'm abusing my brother in court LOOL well speedhumps you are better than judging based on 1 friend story !!

Basically it goes like this and this is in normal cases , kids under 12 goes to the mom and above to the father. Exceptions are made ONLY on both parties agreement .then comes health conditions,drugs or alcohol use,the time every party have to spend with the kids an so on speed humps.

I'm still waiting for the numbers.

uaekid

Bora Bora. I'm not sure what you mean !! to be honest I don't read much.

could you explain please.

Speedhump

A friend) of mine was involved in a situation her and I know the courts usually give the children to the father no matter what the mothers ashes.

I'm abusing my brother in court LOOL well speedhumps you are better than judging based on 1 friend story !!

Basically it goes like this and this is in normal cases , kids under 12 goes to the mom and above to the father. Exceptions are made ONLY on both parties agreement .then comes health conditions,drugs or alcohol use,the time every party have to spend with the kids an so on speed humps.

I'm still waiting for the numbers.

Well she took legal opinion here on the whole matter so it's not her word at all, but a real live attorney's opinion! And the kid involved was under 2 years old.

But I hear what you say, maybe she got bad advice. She has been advised not to come back here as the father (her ex husband) may re-open a case and take the child even after 2-3 years.

She is the stable one and the father is quite unstable (actually medicated) but still she was advised not to return to UAE as the courts are anti-mother. Your information definitely goes against what the attorney told her!

🙂

Bora_Bora

Bora Bora. I'm not sure what you mean !! to be honest I don't read much.

could you explain please.

No need to explain kid. You got my point.

Under Sharia custody is very clear.

Speedhump

For interest, I have been reading:

Islamic perspective on child custody after divorce:

http://www.islamic-sharia.org/children/islamic-perspective-on-child-custody-after-divorce.html

It says here that if a woman does not remarry she may have custody until they reach a certain age, when they 'may' simply be taken away from her and given to the father. (there is an illustrative table on this page).

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And a book which I have read and always refer back to, 'The Hidden Face of Eve' by Nawal El Saadawi (Egyptian):

'The girl over the age of nine is obliged to live with her father whether she likes it ot not. The boy at age seven can choose.'

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Another article (this one about Saudi), this one is a personal opinion blog:
http://americanbedu.com/2008/05/15/divorce-in-ksa-who-gets-custody/

Divorce in Saudi Arabia: Who Gets Custody?
Posted on May 15, 2008 by American Bedu

In spite of all efforts to preserve the sanctity of marriage, divorce continues to rise in the Kingdom whether with a Saudi or non-Saudi spouse. In the Kingdom, divorce and custody of children is based on the Islamic or Shariah law. Any child born with a Saudi father is viewed as a Saudi citizen and naturally a muslim. When an American woman marries a Saudi man and lives in the Kingdom, Islamic/Shariah law prevails. The US embassy does not intervene in child custody disputes between Americans and Saudis.

In the case of a divorce, if an American woman is married to a Saudi, she likely loses her sponsor (her husband) and therefore required to leave the Kingdom. Because under Islamic law the (Saudi) children are awarded to the father so in many cases the American woman must leave the Kingdom without her children.

Typically under Shariah law, a mother (muslim or non-muslim) in the Kingdom can maintain custody of her male children until the age of nine and maintain custody of female children until the age of seven after which custody is reverted to the father. If a divorced mother continues to have custody beyond those ages may depend on the father and the relationship between the divorced couple. And naturally the Saudi courts wish to have any child of divorced parents in the Kingdom continue to be raised in an Islamic environment.

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kanelli

If this couple is an expat couple from country x or two separate countries, they should agree to move back and divorce and settle matters in the home country or one of the home countries. If the men are favoured for custody here or the man can play dirty and have his wife arrested for adultery to obtain custody (like what Ihab El Labban did to Marnie Pearce), then no wonder some women will start to flee with the kids when everything occurs in the UAE instead of on home country soil. People should spare themselves international custody battles.

Speedhump

kanelli the words 'divorce' and 'agree' don't often manage to get together in the same sentence!

Red_Chief

If this couple is an expat couple from country x or two separate countries, they should agree to move back and divorce and settle matters in the home country or one of the home countries. If the men are favoured for custody here or the man can play dirty and have his wife arrested for adultery to obtain custody (like what Ihab El Labban did to Marnie Pearce), then no wonder some women will start to flee with the kids when everything occurs in the UAE instead of on home country soil. People should spare themselves international custody battles.

Ms. Kanelli it happens everywhere, especially in the EU even in uglier way. Why do you UAE bash each time with poor Brit Marnie Pearce?
Of course in her home country (UK) she would have ALL RIGHTS but Egyptian Ihab El Labban would have NOTHING.

Last case around kidnapping of own daughter between Frenchman Laurent Dubois and Russian woman Elena Kalinina confirmed this statement.

Ms. Kanelli, I hope you lie yourself. Before judging look at the mirror.

Red_Chief

double post

kanelli

If this couple is an expat couple from country x or two separate countries, they should agree to move back and divorce and settle matters in the home country or one of the home countries. If the men are favoured for custody here or the man can play dirty and have his wife arrested for adultery to obtain custody (like what Ihab El Labban did to Marnie Pearce), then no wonder some women will start to flee with the kids when everything occurs in the UAE instead of on home country soil. People should spare themselves international custody battles.

Ms. Kanelli it happens everywhere, especially in the EU even in uglier way. Why do you UAE bash each time with poor Brit Marnie Pearce?
Of course in her home country (UK) she would have ALL RIGHTS but Egyptian Ihab El Labban would have NOTHING.

Last case around kidnapping of own daughter between Frenchman Laurent Dubois and Russian woman Elena Kalinina confirmed this statement.

Ms. Kanelli, I hope you lie yourself. Before judging look at the mirror.

Red chief, this is Dubai Forums and we are talking about a UAE shelter, UAE laws, and actual case from the UAE. Why you think I am UAE bashing is beyond me. There are all kinds of screwed up international custody battles we could talk about, but again, the original poster is talking about his situation in DUBAI, UAE. I'm on topic.

The rest is just personal attack and not worth commenting on.

kanelli

And p.s. Red Chief, how can you say that Ihab El Labban would have no rights to custody of his kids if they were having a legal battle in the UK? How do you know that? There are plenty of mixed nationality couples residing in the the UK having custody battles, but luckily there is a law that is meant for everyone, despite their gender, religion or nationality.

uaekid

double posted...

uaekid

I believe every divorce case is unique by it self and and almost never 2 are identical . judges all over the world judge based on every case circumstances and each one statues .lets leave it to that.

Problem in the UAE is that it is the mix of many nationalities and the couples being expats ,now this is a problem by it self bcz it will mean one of the parents wont be able to see his/her kids when they leave the country and then the dispute of what religion ,language and customs the kids should adapt to, it's really not an easy call for judges any where. and that’s why they take so long to make that call.

But I like that law in the USA ,I think it is called pre agreement or something where the couples agrees on so many things before getting married ,I think it saves lots of trouble in the case of divorcing.

and I don't think taking the problem outside the UAE will do any good for the fact of there is no clear written laws in those cases and if there are any ,they will be easy to overpass ! example :lets say it is the law that the father gets the custody but if he is an alcoholic, drugs user ,proven aggressive or jobless then he is automatically incapable of taking care of the kids. it is really simple.

kanelli

Speaking as a person married to someone from another nationality and living in a 3rd country, if the marriage was to break down it would be very awkward to do the proceedings here. What happens if one person's work status changes making it difficult for them to remain in the country? What do you do in the case of custody or visitation with the children? It is much better for the couple to move to one person or the other's home country where they are always able to reside legally and find work while also allowing both parents access to the kids. It is hard enough if one person can never return to their home country without leaving their children behind. It isn't easy if you have language, residency and employment issues.

Red_Chief

And p.s. Red Chief, how can you say that Ihab El Labban would have no rights to custody of his kids if they were having a legal battle in the UK? How do you know that? There are plenty of mixed nationality couples residing in the the UK having custody battles, but luckily there is a law that is meant for everyone, despite their gender, religion or nationality.

It's only WORDS. There are a lot of opposite cases, because judges believe that
1) life for kids in the first world would be better than in the third one.
2) Goddam, the kids are British citizens. No, they are not allowed to live in Egypt. They are our citizens! (singing) Rule Britain!
3) If even everything as fair as Ms. Kanelli desires and the British court, the most unbiased one in the World, agreed for visiting kids by father, how do you think he would realise that right?
Egyptian and other 3d class nationalities need a visa to visit own cildren, sorry UK. Who will arrange the visa for the father? The former wife or the judge?

Bora_Bora

And p.s. Red Chief, how can you say that Ihab El Labban would have no rights to custody of his kids if they were having a legal battle in the UK? How do you know that? There are plenty of mixed nationality couples residing in the the UK having custody battles, but luckily there is a law that is meant for everyone, despite their gender, religion or nationality.

It's only WORDS. There are a lot of opposite cases, because judges believe that
1) life for kids in the first world would be better than in the third one.
2) Goddam, the kids are British citizens. No, they are not allowed to live in Egypt. They are our citizens! (singing) Rule Britain!
3) If even everything as fair as Ms. Kanelli desires and the British court, the most unbiased one in the World, agreed for visiting kids by father, how do you think he would realise that right?
Egyptian and other 3d class nationalities need a visa to visit own cildren, sorry UK. Who will arrange the visa for the father? The former wife or the judge?

The "expert" has once again shown his full blown knowledge on how things work.

Red_Chief

BB,
Let us discuss point, not persons. Probably your well upbringing and poor childhood in Br@@@ doesn't allow you to follow some rules but at least try. We are not there.

Speedhump

BB, Let us discuss point, not persons. Probably your well upbringing and poor childhood in Br@@@ doesn't allow you to follow some rules but at least try. We are not there.

Brazil?

Bora_Bora

BB, Let us discuss point, not persons. Probably your well upbringing and poor childhood in Br@@@ doesn't allow you to follow some rules but at least try. We are not there.

Brazil?

You say discuss point, not persons. Well what points are you making when you discuss me. The idiot insists I am from the Bronx, New York.

Let's see, I have a well upbringing yet a poor childhood?
And about rules, what rules are you referring to? Those that you think people should abide by, but don't apply to you?

Look dipshit, here's a few points I would like to make. I saw your kind go through garbage bins in the States to furnish homes, put clothes on their backs and take thrown away food out of a bin for dinner, all of which is probably acceptable and a way of life in the Motherland. Your kind would go from apartment to apartment with a gallon bottle of wood alcohol and probably dream about the Motherland until they passed out. I also watched your kind swindle every government agency in the States, including Jewish foundations.

If life is so good in the Motherland then why did the Russians leave and continue to do so? You don't see Americans or other Westerners getting in line trying to get into Russia do you?

Red_Chief

Bored Bora,

You mixed me up with some another person. I've NEVER been to the US and I'm not going to visit. I'm not waiting for myself anything new there.

I'm very happy living in Moscow where I was born.

Your billingsgate language bears a strong resemblance to the some speeches rather from "NYPD blues" than "The gossip girl".

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