It really is mind boggling that, despite claims to contrary, the proponents for wife beating don't understand that their excuses for wife beating *are* understood by its detractors - we (FD and I) are simply floored by the reasoning that there is not much for us to respond to.
Unfortunately, the wife beating proponents actually see this as a sign of 'victory' that because no one here has addressed their current support for wife beating, their argument must be sound.
As I said, the current argument for wife beating and the Koran verse which sanctions it reminds me *exactly* of the joke/story I heard earlier in the thread:
'Once there was a husband and wife who had just bought a new mule. They were walking it down the street when the mule trips over a stone. The husband says, “That's one!”
They walk some more, when the mule trips over a stone again and the husband says, “That's two!”
Then the mule trips over a stone again. The husband says, “That's three,” and shoots the donkey!
The wife gets so mad and start's cursing at the husband and saying, “That was our only donkey! You were an idiot to shoot it!”
The husband says to his wife, that's ONE!”
Not only does this verse in the Koran foster public acceptance in the Muslim world to use violence against women and children, but the implications of this passage torwards women is truly enormous.
Hopefully from reading the above story, one understands that the above is not the *ideal* form of conduct in a marriage. Needless to say, what the Koran instructs men to do and what that story is making fun of/highlighting is *exactly* the same.
To repeat, there is absolutely no difference between the story and the Koran - both the Koran and that husband in that story instill the threat of violence for all married women...everywhere.
The Koran goes above and beyond mere instructions for women to obey their husbands. The Koran gives husbands some tools in ensuring that wives obey them - namely, that a husband is totally allowed to discipline his wife as if she were a child
Amazingly, yes, amazingly, none of the Muslim posters here have bothered or dared to consider the implications of such a passage. Their knee jerk shrugging off of a passage which calls for physical violence against women truly speaks volumes.