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Hey, I'm not the one who is referring to the Bible as evidence of some of allah's attributes.

But for Jews and Christians, such lame attempts of understanding their Creator are not needed since the Bible is a complete book and its passages are clear - God says that he loves non-believers and sinners Himself. We don't need to refer to other religious textbooks that are similar to the Bible to learn whether or not God is all loving.

The God of Muhammad, pbuh, is the God of Jesus and therefore all your posturing and interpretations are blown out of the water.

Really ? Does the Bible say this ? Let's see the passage so that Christians can readily accept that. Otherwise, you're stating a Muslim belief and passing it off as fact. But the funny thing is, is that you're implicitly acknowledging that nowhere in the Koran does allah say that he loves disbelievers and sinners.

That must be a heavy burden for Muslims to know that their creator only loves them some of the time.

Ah, still insisting on ignoring facts I see.

The God of Muhammad, pbuh, is the God of Jesus - and the loons are seething that this is the conclusion of Prof Hans Kung who has actually studied both Quran and Bible. The attribute of Rahman has been explained already, but given that Kung concludes that the God of Jesus is the God of Muhammad, all attributes are the same.

Note how the young one can't even bring himself to address this simple, devastating fact - as it blows his argument to smithereens. The God of the Bible is the God of the Quran, and therefore can't have different attributes (unless one thinks there are multiple Gods?)

How does it feel to be so completely punked eh?

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon wrote:But for Jews and Christians, such lame attempts of understanding their Creator are not needed since the Bible is a complete book and its passages are clear - God says that he loves non-believers and sinners Himself. We don't need to refer to other religious textbooks that are similar to the Bible to learn whether or not God is all loving..

Eh, this pastor on this link, doesn't agree with you..
the fact is, sinners are under the wrath of God (John 3:36).
unbelievers remain under God’s awful severity (John 3:36)
http://www.cause-of-god.com/love_sinners.html

The God of Muhammad, pbuh, is the God of Jesus and therefore all your posturing and interpretations are blown out of the water.

event horizon wrote:
Really ? Does the Bible say this ? Let's see the passage so that Christians can readily accept that.

Eh, did you know how 1 god become 3 gods..?
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/Arianism.asp

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shafique wrote:The attribute of Rahman has been explained already

Indeed, 'mercy' does not mean 'love'.

A liberal judge who sentences criminals to lenient jail terms does not do so because he loves the convicted as they were his own children.

I feel awkward having to explain these basic principles that should have registered to anyone with at least a bit of common sense.

Worse, the Koran explains what allah's mercy really cashes out to. Allah is indeed merciful .... to those who follow him.

shafique wrote:Eh, this pastor on this link, doesn't agree with you..
the fact is, sinners are under the wrath of God (John 3:36).
unbelievers remain under God’s awful severity (John 3:36)
http://www.cause-of-god.com/love_sinners.html

Hey, your argument is not with me, but with shafique.

After all, he is the one who must consult the Bible to prove that the separate god of the Koran loves all - including non-believers and sinners.

I'm sure shafique will explain to you that your 'loon interpretations' are discredited and have been blown to smithereens.

He'll probably condemn you for your 'Christianophobia' for peddling Occidentalist fantasies about the Bible and explain to you the errors in your second link.

Any minute now ......

Why do I need to punk you with another argument?

Your whole theory has been blown away by the simple fact you haven't been able to refute the simple fact that Kung (who has actually studied the Quran and Bible) concludes that the God of Jesus is the God of Muhammad. The attributes of God in the Quran (including Rahman) are very clear, and Kung concluded that the God of Muhammad is the same God of Jesus.

Ergo, your argument fails yet again - all because of a loon interpretation of the Quran. An interpretation that you are desperate to project onto Muslims!

Fail.

Cheers,
Shafique