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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Well, its quite obvious that Sara wants to desperately date a White Blonde and Blue-eyed Westerner! :D
And she has made it abundantly clear that she does not want a Pakistani, Indian, or Bangladeshi. In fact she has a Bangladeshi driver that she so kindly treats as one of the family, and I am sure he behaves like one of their pets. She has made it quite clear also that ALL EMARATIS (or with few exceptions) subscribe to this same value system. Why is that so? Because.......she beleives the only race somewhat higher than hers on the evolutionary scale are the White Westerners! She has also named a few other Arab Nationalities, e.g Kuwaitis, Saudis, Qataris etc. All Oil rich Arabs. The Yemenis and the Egyptians are also Arabs, but she did not mention them. And thats how things stand at the moment. :|

Einstein, an ugly Jew with a phenomenal brain and intellect, was once approached by a beautiful (White) "blonde" woman, who was one of his acquaintances. She was insisting that Einstein marry her, while he was very hesitant. To convince him, she said "Imagine our offspring, with my looks and your brains......" And Einstein said, "Yes, but what happens if our offspring has your brains and my looks?!!" :wink:

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LOL Only just seen this post and will jump in. Sadly Sarah, I'm going to agree with the others and say you're living in a bit of a fantasy land with rose tinted glasses. The reason you never see local girls dating etc Pakistani, Indian etc guys is because Emiratis use them as slave labour - sorry to be blunt but it's true. They're your drivers, your house boys, your builders etc - locals don't see them as equals and most reat them like something they scraped off the bottom of their shoe.

You will find it very difficult to get involved with Western guys A, because your family probably wouldn't approve, B should you ever choose to marry one, you must give up your Emirati status and passport.

The reason why Western guys are afreid of you is because the majority of Local girls would cry harassment if one even threw a look in their direction.

You are covered for a reason and that is NOT to attract attention - hence the reason why you won't get any.

You need to wake up lil missy.
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Sarah, I feel a little sorry for you firstly because you posted here quite a valid and interesting point of view and then were set upon by some of the pack quite unfairly. Ignore them.

Secondly, I do feel that you are a little naive in your thinking, particularly since you are lucky enough to spend time away from the UAE and experience some different cultures. You see the stuff going around you and yet you don't really 'see' how it all works. Its to do with personal choice and religion or upbringing should not enter into it. A truly free society operates like that.

A truly free and equal society does not have houseboys or drivers dismissed in such a manner. Where is their freedom? The ability to go where you like or buy whatever you please, does still not make you 'free', that is a matter for the mind and not the purse. If the houseboy or driver had the same financial advantages as you, do you really think they would be the houseboy or driver?

Similarly, the desire to have a western boy as a friend (tall, blonde, blue-eyed by your own admission) is a purely physical attraction, something that is frowned upon by your social upbringing. Once you have this boy as a friend, then what? Human nature, chemicals and the inbred need to propagate the species will eventually lead to frustration and denial. You may have the trophy, but will also probably have to come back down to earth with a bump when it comes to marriage and the rest of your life. It is unlikely this idyllic male will be able to tick all the boxes (rich, intelligent...and Muslim) The choice will ultimately not be yours to make and therefore you will have sacrificed your own happiness for what? To keep your family happy. Where is your freedom of choice to be happy? I feel sorry for you as your 'conditioning' will ultimately decide your future. Not you.

The experiences we gain in life's journey make us the people we are and that diversity is what makes the human race such a screwed up, imperfect species. And yet, such an interesting and creative one.

My advice would be to enjoy the freedoms you have right now as it is transient and, once gone, can never be found again. Let the veil slip a little and you might find something truly valid in your life.

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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
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symmetric wrote:You surely fail to understand the concept of respecting the natives of a host country, regardless anything.


Respect is a two way street, it is earned and not taken.



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All I have to say is good luck finding a blonde-haired blue-eyed Westerner who is Muslim and a virgin who will approach you in a mall, date you and marry you.
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kanelli wrote:All I have to say is good luck finding a blonde-haired blue-eyed Westerner who is Muslim and a virgin who will approach you in a mall, date you and marry you.


I think you'd have a better chance of finding a pot of gold at the bottom of the rainbow.
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Well atleast leprechauns are white, blonde ( ok ginger ) and blue eyed ! and have their own pot of gold. granted not black gold, but gold none the less :D

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Sarah, I think next summer vacation head for Ireland 8)
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^^ LMFAO !!!
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desertdudeshj wrote:Well atleast leprechauns are white, blonde ( ok ginger ) and blue eyed ! and have their own pot of gold. granted not black gold, but gold none the less :D

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Sarah, I think next summer vacation head for Ireland 8)


I know one of these right here in Dubai, he's a cracker, should I see if he's available?
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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
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symmetric wrote:You surely fail to understand the concept of respecting the natives of a host country, regardless anything.


Respect is a two way street, it is earned and not taken.


Acting dumb or smart DDS??
Respecting the natives of a host country - GENERALLY- is a BASIC & FIXED concept you should have, or else just fcuk off and leave back to where ever you come from.
If you're pissed off from my gov for not granting you a citizenship, then you shouldn't just disrespect others randomly. I'm very familiar with idiots like you who make fun at some Emaratis who can't speak English properly, and we take it with hard feelings.

There is a gap between some of our local youth and the expat community.
If you seriously claim that you lived here long enough, then you wouldn't miss this point, and would've acted more politely with Sarah.

Compare your ugly comment with DK's reply to Sarah, apparently you are a cheap low-class jerk indeed.

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symmetric wrote:There are plenty of people living in non-English speaking countries who HAD to learn thier foregin language in order to make a living for a better life.


There many but not plenty,And those are conscious choices made by people fully knowing that is the requirement, and those places have much to offer. I don't see anyone other that big oil and a few other players making that kind of invesment i.e: simply hire Arabic enabled people to work here for them. The avg joe couldn't be bothered. They will just move to the next most favourable destination.


You think its the citizens who come up with these decisions??
Again you're acting cunning and blaming people for what our government is doing.
MAJORITY OF LOCALS are not happy with how our government is enforcing the globalization concept on us, and NEVERTHELESS since you were offered this chance for a better life here, the least expected from you is to respect our society and the mentality of people here as there is a GAP between the expats community and the some locals living away from the downtown!

Look at yourself and ur background, your country is full of people with such mentality, even worse!
Sarah is from RAK, and generally there are many people in RAK who are very innocent and naive in their mentality and concepts towards life specially the girls and teenagers. Very sheltered and less experience with expats. You already know that, but you're just in thirst to bash someone, expressing your anger towards our goverment for not granting you a citizenship, which you're not entitled to anyways.

Fact is you're not man enough to raise your voice in media and express your anger over there, you only good at bashing people behind your screen.


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symmetric wrote:If Arabic language was enforced here, and if that what it takes for you to make a living, you'll get urself enrolled in the nearest language institute, I'm sure.


You forget the world is bigger than the middle east. And the GCC needs the expats more than the expats need the GCC.


Another dumb reply.
Life is about sharing, no one is debating that. But the way you put it only shows your weakness.
U think we are in need for you? Neither locals, nor expats appreciate jerks like you.

If you got any self-pride, you would've left the UAE long time ago, rather than just spending your life-time here cursing the bad policies of this horrible country. The question, why are you still here?? Who is in need for who now?? I'm sure now you agree that sometimes its good to shut up, rather than being arrogant.

Pakistanis in France are forced to learn French language, yet France is smaller than the Middle East.
& it's not a matter of who needs who more, life is more than just one's self interest. And even if France was in "need" for expats, it will still enforce some French language classes on them. This is how it should function.
Ironically, the UK is facing a LOT of issues with forigners including your own people with regard to language! They're hiring translators to deal with them. Brits, French, Germans, and many others are not happy with the way your people just immigrate and settle in their countries without putting much efforts, yet such people keep on abusing the benefits given from those countries. STILL, majority of them got NO loyality to those host countries.
Never in my life time I ever met a European who really appreciated the presence of people like you in their countries, and they're not happy with their government spending toomuch on ungrateful jerks like you.


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symmetric wrote:If I were in your shoes, I'd think twice before making fun of the natives, and their skills of a second language, specially in our case.


If your referring to your country mate, no one made fun of her, just pointed out, not lashed out as you assume she could do better specialy being a UNI student. Would be to her own benefit for her future. And why is your case special ?


You can't even fake a nice character, and its not just your lame comments to her.
Everyone is aware of your thoughts and random hostility towards the local society.
My people are not perfect, there are good and bad, but disrespecting us randomly/intentionally only reflects the low-class caste you came from.
For God's sake, even here in DF you got such a bad reputation. Go figure out your two-way street of respect!
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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Symmetric, I think you miss the point of this thread completely and the replies to Sarah. It's got nothing to do with the government, work or whatever, the discussion was about dating a Westerner.

Leave off the heavy bro - it wasn't needed in here.
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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Trust me, I know exactly what I'm saying and to whom I'm talking to.
I didnt drift away much from the subject, it's related to an extent.

I'm not defending Sarah's views, I just see a bunch of immature people bashing a young girl who's far away from the reality of us adults. People are too blind to understand that there is a gap between them and her. Such a waste of money that has been spent to educate such people.

Again, thank you DK for being understanding, highly appreciated.
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symmetric wrote:Trust me, I know exactly what I'm saying and to whom I'm talking to.
I didnt drift away much from the subject, it's related to an extent.

I'm not defending Sarah's views, I just see a bunch of immature people bashing a young girl who's far away from the reality of us adults. People are too blind to understand that there is a gap between them and her. Such a waste of money that has been spent to educate such people.

Again, thank you DK for being understanding, highly appreciated.


It's not that people don't understand that there's a gap. But for someone who 'claims' to have travelled and spent time in Western society, Sarah seems extremely naive and sheltered. Sadly she needs a bit of a wake up call to the actual reality she is living in and can expect in the rest of her life, unless she moves away from certain restraints.
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I'm not defending Sarah's views, I just see a bunch of immature people bashing a young girl who's far away from the reality of us adults. People are too blind to understand that there is a gap between them and her. Such a waste of money that has been spent to educate such people.



That s a very good point Sym, I totally agree with you. It s not the first time things like this happens in this forum. Some of the posters just want to impose their values and their lifestyle to ME. It s not gonna happen people! leave it alone! (that s why I didnt post in this thread before, based on past experience on the forums, it doesnt worth the headache!!!)

She is naive, but she is reaching us in a nice and polite way, and look how we turned this to a fight!

Again, thank you DK for being understanding, highly appreciated.

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It's not that people don't understand that there's a gap. But for someone who 'claims' to have travelled and spent time in Western society, Sarah seems extremely naive and sheltered. Sadly she needs a bit of a wake up call to the actual reality she is living in and can expect in the rest of her life, unless she moves away from certain restraints.


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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Mel, sadly you too miss the point. Sarah says she wants to date a blue-eyed, blonde, white hottie - er how is that US enforcing OUR values on her? She's the one wanting to go against all her values, not the other way around luv.

We're simply saying that what she wants and the reality are two completely different things, that sadly aren't often negotiable in this part of the world, too many factors involved.

But hey I guess it's far easier for you to sit there and say 'Bad westerners, how dare you corrupt our girls' - blah blah blah.

Well I could sit here and say 'Keep your mits off our men!'
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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Dubai Knight wrote:Sarah, I feel a little sorry for you firstly because you posted here quite a valid and interesting point of view and then were set upon by some of the pack quite unfairly. Ignore them.



Similarly, the desire to have a western boy as a friend (tall, blonde, blue-eyed by your own admission) is a purely physical attraction, something that is frowned upon by your social upbringing. Once you have this boy as a friend, then what? Human nature, chemicals and the inbred need to propagate the species will eventually lead to frustration and denial. You may have the trophy, but will also probably have to come back down to earth with a bump when it comes to marriage and the rest of your life. It is unlikely this idyllic male will be able to tick all the boxes (rich, intelligent...and Muslim) The choice will ultimately not be yours to make and therefore you will have sacrificed your own happiness for what? To keep your family happy. Where is your freedom of choice to be happy? I feel sorry for you as your 'conditioning' will ultimately decide your future. Not you.

The experiences we gain in life's journey make us the people we are and that diversity is what makes the human race such a screwed up, imperfect species. And yet, such an interesting and creative one.

My advice would be to enjoy the freedoms you have right now as it is transient and, once gone, can never be found again. Let the veil slip a little and you might find something truly valid in your life.

8) 8) 8)

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Thank you for your replay sir
But I d like for you to know that my family give me the choice for choosing who ever I want to marry and they are wll aware that I'm not into local boys and i want to have a relationship with westerner and they are ok with that.
Even last summer in the US I spent time hanging with my American friend Mike and all was good no one said anything about staying away from him or anything!?
And I'm sure I'm not gonna find a virgin boyfriend but it doesn't matter about before and his old relationships once we start our relationship, what really matter for me is his education, wisdom, compassion, honesty, his goals in life.. What's inside is what really matter for me in the end . I know I mentioned th looks that I'm attracted to but I know that looks fade and only inside beauty remains. I just mentioned them in the start of my post because I only wanted to give an example! my post was to give a pice of information to some people who are afried of apporching locals that they shouldnt be afraid of being put in jail thats all I wasn't talking really sirosly and if I thought people would take every single word I put in that post and crisis it i would've wrote more sirosly and deeply about what I really would want in a guy but I know this isn't a dating forum that's why I didn't go and wrote everything ..
Also I know a local girl who marred a westerner she wasn't his first but she was his last and they are living really good however he did convert to Islam to marry her tho..

Can you give me your opinion in what I just wrote please?
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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Mel, sadly you too miss the point. Sarah says she wants to date a blue-eyed, blonde, white hottie - er how is that US enforcing OUR values on her? She's the one wanting to go against all her values, not the other way around luv.



You are making fun of her because of importance of virginity before marriage in her culture, the way they date, the way they get married, etc etc.( not like I approve those ways, but I can accept them in the way they are).

I admire her because she wants to change and look for new things. I agree the way she put it about Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis was naive and arrogant. Still she needs more guidance, not from some self obsessed people!
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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Sarah, If I may, it's all very well to have a list and want you want in your ideal guy - but in reality the more you make lists of specific traits the more you limit yourself and could quite possibly overlook someone because they don't tick all your boxes. It's because you're young, inexperienced and you have a long way to go to learn some of life's best lessons.

Throw the check list out the window and open yourself up to all possibilities. It's good to hear that your parents are open minded when it comes to such things, I only hope that it is genuine and they don't change their opinion if something ever becomes serious.

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Mel, sadly you too miss the point. Sarah says she wants to date a blue-eyed, blonde, white hottie - er how is that US enforcing OUR values on her? She's the one wanting to go against all her values, not the other way around luv.



You are making fun of her because of importance of virginity before marriage in her culture, the way they date, the way they get married, etc etc.( not like I approve those ways, but I can accept them in the way they are).

I admire her because she wants to change and look for new things. I agree the way she put it about Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis was naive and arrogant. Still she needs more guidance, not from some self obsessed people!


No Mel, no one was making fun, people were simply being realistic! I admire anyone who has the will power for that, even though I strongly disagree with it.
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Re: Westerner in Dubai Dec 12, 2010
Sarah21 wrote:Also I know a local girl who marred a westerner


Sarah21 wrote:good to hear you know some who are married to westerners :D yay.
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Melika thank you ..
And about the way girls get marred here I too don't approve of them "arrenged marriages and stuff" I think thy are retorted and so out of reialty! Because come on how in he'll can you marry someone you've never known or spoken to before in your life! Thts just so unreal!
However concerning virginity before marriage that my choice and I believe in it and I just can't ever think about doing it before marriage. Plus ther are some few very few westerner who still believe in virginity before marriage and stuff so I'm not that wearied for those westerner who just chose to see me from thir view..

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And I get what you say and I accept it someone shouldn't be so hard to please and expect to get exactly what he or she want in life because that's un real in life in the end we are not living in a Disney movie.
But don't you think that there are some things that you can't get over like for example wanting someone who is honest I don't think I'd be able to settle for a lair lol !?
Just sayin i'd get over not getting some stuff but some stuff is a human nature to want.
I aprshyat your answers to me :)
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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 12, 2010
melika969 wrote:... I agree the way she put it about Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis was naive and arrogant...


ya sara , your defense to this argument ?

Sarah21 wrote: Plus ther are some few very few westerner who still believe in virginity before marriage and


And what would someone with this opinion do , if they are unable to find what they seek ? You alternative strategy ?
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desertdudeshj wrote:...Another ( Indian ) friend was banging the brains out of this local girl, she wanted to marry but he refused knowing how her family and the in laws would forever be a problem in his life.


Do we need to know what DDS's friend was doing to the local girl?!!
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desertdudeshj wrote:...Another ( Indian ) friend was banging the brains out of this local girl, she wanted to marry but he refused knowing how her family and the in laws would forever be a problem in his life.


Do we need to know what DDS's friend was doing to the local girl?!!


Banging her brains out, of course! :lol:
Could that mean Carnal Knowledge? :bigsmurf:
Very relevant to a thread dedicated to Romance, but highly dangerous in a society like the UAE.
And the bottom line: Oil Rich Middle Eastern girls dont mind "doing it" with Westerners of fair skin, blond hair,blue eyes. That bit about the virginity etc. is not for serious consumption, surely.
The rest of you, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis? Take a hike! :bounce:
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zonker wrote:And the bottom line: Oil Rich Middle Eastern girls dont mind "doing it" with Westerners of fair skin, blond hair,blue eyes.


So you agree to the fact that the emirati's are downright racist in every way, with undue preference to a specific race, who are still possessing the colonized mindset , who are suffering from a combination of a serious inferiority complex of their own race coupled with arrogance , rendering them completely devoid of any sense ?

That bit about the virginity etc. is not for serious consumption, surely.


If you are emirati then you are well aware, backdooring is a common phenomenon in the khaleej? and a vast majority of the arabic women are being taken advantage of by their own people ?

The rest of you, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis? Take a hike! :bounce:


Well if they did that , the arabian peninsula would be a desert full of wandering nomads, and perhaps the middle eastern governments should have said this before they were unable to find anybody to build any sort of infrastructure for them ? Do you think that the white elephant ( the dubai tower, burj al arab, and practically every single construction in the entire nation) or the PALM would exist ? were it not for the south asian labor ? Who I might had have been exploited in a very inhumane manner?
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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 13, 2010
Zubber, amen to all that.
After long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that Planet Earth is not a fair place.
I hope that Heaven, as promised by Allah, will not be full of his chosen people, these arrogant Arabs! :D
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Zobber/Zonker, what are you aiming at? Are you trying to discuss the ethics and behaviour of my people?
Let me sum it up for you .. GOOD & BAD exist in every society, and stereotyping a whole nation is lame.

On the other hand, I don't appreciate wicked comments from jerks like you.
If my people are racist & our government sucks, then what the fcuk are you doing here among us??
Try India or Pakistan or any other damn place that matches your standards where all people are perfect.

So called "adults" judging and questioning a young girl in an impolite way is actually one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in my life. So what if some of her comments didn't sound nice, based on her backgrounds you easily tell she did NOT intend to insult anyone. I don't agree with her views at all, but the girl spoke very frankly with pure intentions, and she surely did not mean to harm anyone.

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desertdudeshj wrote:...Another ( Indian ) friend was banging the brains out of this local girl, she wanted to marry but he refused knowing how her family and the in laws would forever be a problem in his life.


Do we need to know what DDS's friend was doing to the local girl?!!


Exactly!
He can't help not acting dirty and rude. Thats him, since day one I met him.
I wonder if anyone appreciates his filthy attitude, other than those of his own kind.
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symmetric wrote:Zobber/Zonker, what are you aiming at?


yaaki, Isma, No one is aiming at nothing, men do not talk with hidden intent like the o so lovely women who we cannot live without. This is just an objective discussion nothing more, So please DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE,

Let me sum it up for you .. GOOD & BAD exist in every society, and stereotyping a whole nation is lame.


THis is the truth , The Whole Truth and Nothing but the truth

On the other hand, I don't appreciate wicked comments from jerks like you.


YOur lack of appreciation is due to your own misunderstanding of this discussion, Do not stoop low to hurl insults at contenders in a debate. You first lesson in ethical debating.

If my people are racist & our government sucks, then what the fcuk are you doing here among us??


Let us be objective, I urge you again , Loosing your temper is a sign of weakness and lack of depth of perception. Do not repeat it , lest someone call you on it.

So called "adults" judging and questioning a young girl in an impolite way is actually one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in my life. So what if some of her comments didn't sound nice, based on her backgrounds you easily tell she did NOT intend to insult anyone. I don't agree with her views at all, but the girl spoke very frankly with pure intentions, and she surely did not mean to harm anyone.


Chill , take a xanax, this thread only has objective discussions. Your strong emotional responses are invalid, uncalled for, and out of context

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zonker wrote:Zubber, amen to all that.
After long deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that Planet Earth is not a fair place.
I hope that Heaven, as promised by Allah, will not be full of his chosen people, these arrogant Arabs! :D


haha, luckily the chosen people are only those that have faith and not restricted to race , religion or physical construct. And indeed u have made an excellent argument, the world is not fair, logic demands, that justice should be served , and it indeed shall be done and then some...
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Re: Westerner In Dubai Dec 13, 2010
Good response Zubber; you beat me to it!
Mr. Symmetric, pray why do you label us as "jerks"? Because, in your reckoning, we may not make it to your 'A' list of races? Allah be praised!
I for one have not been rude to her, and I also agree there is good and bad in every society.
I just found her original comment very interesting, and some of the responses enlightening. Thats all.

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A smile serene and high;
He eyed the flinching Tuscans,
And scorn was in his eye!" :bounce:
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Well I lived in Both USA and Qatar. I am lebanese, but talking to qatari girls was not an issue i had a lot of qatari freinds who were girls, but the problem was with the local guys. If they see u talking to a local girl, then they get upset, cos they think there is no pure freindship and the western guy is planning somethin bad. on the other hand these same local guys talk to western girls knowing that they are looking for somethin more than a freindship and less than a relationship.

But i met some open minded local people in qatar and they were very cool and we hung out over coffee or shisha...the point is this, there are open and close minded people everywhere. ( even in the US with the rednecks and amish)

I am never scared to talk to a local girl, well first i have to be respectful and draw my lines...bas if u become freinds with them, so what if u say a not so clean joke , ur just talkin to a freinds.

thats my opinion...
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