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Chocoholic , But they do Chocs. People don't always marry for love. Sometimes people do what their families want and end up making a better job of it than if they were in love.

As Prince Charles said on the day he got engaged to Diana, what's love?

I've been in lust a few times.

Obviously BM, but as I said I 'personally' don't think it should have any baring, but I'm well aware that in many societies and cultures it does and I find that incredibly sad.

Chocoholic , They do it in the UK Chocs, as in the Royal family. You don't really think Charles wanted to marry Diana do you?

Virgins are quite rare these days.

Different backgrounds means long talks on what the future holds for the couple. Religion, nationality, parents ... are the few things that could mess up and create a spiral unhappiness in couples. Long talks ..... is the answer At least, I hope that is what Dr Phil would have said.

Most arabs are not muslims, it is stereotyping. Most muslims are probably asians, Pakistan, India, and Indonasia have are the most populous muslim communities. Muslim population in India is more than 300million that is more the population of all Arab countries combined.

All of the Arabs I've come across are Muslim.

All the Malaysians I've come across are Muslim.

I used to live in Singapore. I was a child and didn't know anything about religion then. Everybody was the same to me except that some had slitty eyes and others didn't.

All the Jews I've come across are Jewish.

Nucleus wrote:Most arabs are not muslims

Really? Are you sure?

^I don't normally visit this section - but hey, there's a first time - and this last page looks kinda interesting..

FD - from the context of Nucleus' post - I think he meant to write 'Most Muslims aren't Arab... ' the rest of the post then makes much more sense.

Nucleus - Malaysia has a sizeable non-Muslim population made up of the Chinese Malaysians, as opposed to the Malay Malaysians. Most Malays are indeed Muslim.

As for all Jews being Jewish - that's an interesting point Bora (I know you meant it in jest) - but if one looks at the demographics and work out how many of the 12 tribes of Israel there must be today, you'll find that those who still follow the Jewish faith are in a minority. Most of the descendants of the 12 tribes - those who are genetically/ethnically Jewish and would pass the Israeli tests for being Jewish genetically - are probably not of the Jewish faith. Some are Christian converts and their descendants, many are Muslim converts and their descendants.

Just going by the statistics.

Cheers,

Shafique

oh no.

shafique wrote:are probably not of the Jewish faith.

So? Jews are a nation. Your prof:

The Arab side tried to prove that first of all the Jews were not a nation in the modern sense of the term and consequently did not require a state of their own. In the tradition of both Western liberal and doctrinaire socialist thinking, the Arabs argued that the Jews were only a religious community

I would say most Jews are secular, but keep some traditions, not sure though.

I'd say the Children of Israel - the descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel, the sons of Jacob - are a genealogical group.

IIRC, DNA studies show that most Palestinian Arabs also share the genes with Israelites.

My words, as you've quoted them, are quite clear - I've said that only the minority of the descendants of the 12 tribes are today 'of the Jewish faith'. Secular Jews are included in this - they are just non-practicing Jews - I'm specifically contrasting this with the numbers who are converts to other religions.

As I stated in the other thread - I agree with Professor Porath and dismiss both the Arab myths and Zionist myths. I'm sure I said that a few times at least.

Cheers,
Shafique

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Shaf.

You're welcome.

Cheers,

Shafique

How about when an "Arab Muslim" falls in love with a "Christian Western"? Good idea or not, we cannot control Love... Unfortunately, even if we are living in the 21st century, this is an imppossible love and can end in tragedy...

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doha , what a shame that when brought up Muslim you cannot choose who you fall in love with.

I think not important who u are, nationality ,religion .The most important good relations , respect each other and to be honest with whom u are.

Love is all that matters...life is short.

Love is over everything you cant compare it with anything anything else at all

I have to agree with the last comment with the condition that love is coupled with the two marrying having similar religious considerations and outlooks. This becomes important when children come into the picture.

Being an non-arab English convert muslim man, I would hate to think that my marriage options were limited by cultural influences.

Of course, Family must be respected at all times and this can complicate things - but that does not make the wishes/opinion of such a family being opposed to such a marriage correct by any means.

It's great that people are talking about this openly. If these issues are more publicly aired and understood then it makes a family faced with a decision and situation like this more able to make an informed decision.

God bless and best of wishes to those thinking about, or actually going through a scenario such as this one.

NO ITS all about religion and alot of factor , come on this not abook its real life

I agree that this is a sensitive and complicated topic... and yes religion is important.. VERY important; we cannot argue with that, it goes without saying that in order for a Muslim girl to marry any man whether he is Arab, American, Canadian, Italian, British, Asian, Australian, Whomever... He MUST be a Muslim Period. No discussion about it!

What I'm talking about here is how two different cultures can come together and learn to build a life despite the cultural differences. I think it's important that both must understand the differences in their respected cultures and respect those differences.

He has to understand the way Arab cultures are, the way they think, and what is acceptable and what is not.. On the other hand, she also has to understand that he needs time to adjust to this new culture, she has to help and support him during that time. Islam is the most important asset they have in common, and that's what I believe should be the foundation of their relationship, Islam will help build love, grace and affection between the two of them.

I; for example, am a person who understands the American culture very well, so well, it would seem to some people that I was born and raised there, even my accent confuses many of the people I meet! They think I'm lying to them when I say I'm not American or at least Canadian! That's how easily I can blend in with the culture.. However, when it comes to my Arab cultural values I am like any Arab Muslim girl, it is impossible for me to simply forget or ignore these values.

So I dont' think it's only about Love, or only about religion, or only about what they want, or only about attraction. Infact, it's about all of these factors together starting with Religion of course!



I want to thank you all for all your valuable insights, its delightful to hear all the different opinions, hope to hear more soon